[00:28] <apachelogger> halp! I need halp!
[00:28] <apachelogger> pretty plz
[00:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where are thou?
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger needs help?
[00:29]  * DarkwingDuck set logging [ON]
[00:29] <apachelogger> coat or jacket or sweater?
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> What occatin?
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> *Occation
[00:30] <apachelogger> UDS
[00:30] <apachelogger> apparently budapest is insanely cold at nights
[00:30] <ScottK> Surely not for a hardy lad from Austria.
[00:30] <apachelogger> come to think of it Graz probably is too, I just don't go out much ^^
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> jacket/sweater
[00:31] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: but coats are so much more lovely
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> Aye, 
[00:31] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck has been weakened by the warm California weather, so don't go by him.
[00:31] <apachelogger> yet they take up more space
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: +1
[00:31] <apachelogger> ah
[00:31] <apachelogger> coat it is then
[00:31] <apachelogger> or maybe a tshirt
[00:31] <apachelogger> 1 tshirt + 1 shirt ~= enough to not be freezing to death
[00:31] <ScottK> OK.  I think I did enough damage for one day.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/koffice/+bug/762938/comments/8
[00:32] <apachelogger> kap0tt
[00:32] <ScottK> Reminds me I need to do laundry.
[00:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: so canonical is sending us wacoms now, I guess?
[00:33] <ScottK> Probably not.
[00:33] <apachelogger> meh
[00:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL
[00:33] <apachelogger> but why
[00:33] <apachelogger> like we need to QA this, or upstream gets mad at us
[00:33] <ScottK> Chase Douglas will probably chase after me with something large and heavy once he reads the bugmail.
[00:33]  * apachelogger giggles
[00:33] <ScottK> My proposal is no more crap touch patches.  We only take the patch after upstream has accepted it.
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> I see no issues... 
[00:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, so, I was thinking, since I have the hardest time not packing 7 shirts, 2 trousers, 3 shirts, 1 suite, 2 bathing shorts and other plunder .... how do you feel about doing all kubuntu sessions in the hottub?
[00:34] <apachelogger> that would reduce the requirements to bathing shorts
[00:34] <apachelogger> much easier to travel with bathing shorts and a towel
[00:34] <ScottK> I haven't investigated the facilities to know if it would be appropriate.
[00:35] <ScottK> We'd need internet and stuff for the remote participants.
[00:35] <apachelogger> well
[00:35] <apachelogger> let me think about this for a bit
[00:36] <apachelogger> oh about, someone stays in wifiable area and we get us walkie-talkies?
[00:36] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[00:36] <apachelogger> s/oh/how
[00:37] <ScottK> Electricity and hot tubs aren't typically a great combination.
[00:37] <ScottK> Plus the background noise might be a little high for the icecast.
[00:37] <ScottK> valorie: Can you do me a blog post since I'm not on planet KDE?
[00:37] <apachelogger> a perfect use case for advanced audio filtering and restoration algorithms
[00:38] <ScottK> Put DarkwingDuck on whipping up some Perl scripts for that.
[00:38]  * DarkwingDuck scoffs
[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> If I was there I would have no issues.. I'm a remote participation guy this time around... I don't think I want to have to depend on my perl scripts
[00:39] <apachelogger> new plunder, I see, them perly scripts ye be talking about
[00:39] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: lolz
[00:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you bringing the doctor?
[00:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and I fear jr will not bring fezes from the land of the doctor
[00:40] <apachelogger> the beautiful plan of pwning the UDS with cool fezes is about to fall
[00:40] <ScottK> valorie: If you can: Please do something thanking the koffice upstream folks for blogging http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/software/krita/no_pressure_in_krita.html (since that turns out to be a better way to reach me than bugmail - but no need to get into that) and let people know that a fixed package can be found in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/ while we try to get the fix properly sorted: https://bugs.launchpad
[00:40] <ScottK> .net/koffice/+bug/762938/comments/8
[00:40] <apachelogger> unless ulysses finds a vendor
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have most if not all of the new series on my lappy
[00:41] <apachelogger> we could have a spec kubuntu-o-shopping-kubuntu-team-needs-fezes
[00:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: DarkwingDuck is Mr. Loco Team.  Have him dig up someone from the local Loco Team to hook you up.
[00:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: what are you looking for?
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would think that the Dr. would have to invite me with one of those blue cards, tho
[00:42]  * valorie looks
[00:42] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: a hungarian
[00:42] <ScottK> valorie: Thanks.
[00:42] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: for what purpose? :P
[00:42] <ScottK> More specifically a Hungarian capable of procuring Fez's.
[00:42] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: to find me a fez vendor, or a place where one may get fezes
[00:42] <valorie> I read that, but don't understand the base of the problem
[00:43] <ScottK> valorie: The problem is that the Canonical uTouch put a patch in our Qt that broke Qt Wacom tablet support.
[00:43] <valorie> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[00:43] <apachelogger> then we just need a spec for shopping and we'll equip the present kubuntu mice with cool fezes
[00:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: garoovy
[00:43] <ScottK> So all Qt apps are broken with Wacom in natty.
[00:43] <DarkwingDuck> Fez... Hat?
[00:43] <ScottK> Yes.
[00:43] <valorie> that was the missing puzzle piece
[00:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I'll be bringing the python then :P
[00:43] <ScottK> So people that have Wacoms can get a fixed package from my PPA.
[00:44] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Fez hat?
[00:44]  * apachelogger needs materialz to watch for the train ride -.-
[00:44] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: aye
[00:44] <ScottK> Then we'll see about getting a fix into Natty.
[00:44] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: the doctor claims they are cool, so they must be, so we need them
[00:44] <ScottK> I expect there will be some resistance.
[00:44] <apachelogger> us being cool, they being cool -> us with them = ubercool
[00:44] <ScottK> But if they didn't want their patch dropped, IMO, they should have done some proper regression testing.
[00:44] <valorie> thanks ScottK
[00:45] <ScottK> valorie: Thanks.
[00:45] <valorie> on it
[00:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: so very true
[00:45] <apachelogger> testing ftw
[00:45] <ScottK> It would be nice if the original blogger accepted comments in his blog.  I'd have let him know directly there.
[00:45] <valorie> I'll link to it
[00:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: #krita
[00:46] <apachelogger> or #kde-develz
[00:46]  * apachelogger must stop this z'ing
[00:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd imagine he could have found #kubuntu-devel if he'd cared to.
[00:47] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Like these? http://www.google.com/search?q=fez+hat&hl=en&tbm=shop
[00:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: perhaps, perhaps not
[00:49] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes
[00:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I iz here
[00:49] <Quintasan> drinking beer and reading
[00:49] <Quintasan> and making pbuilderz
[00:50] <apachelogger> I has no beer, no reading and no pbuilderz
[00:50] <apachelogger> but my netbook is being eaten by the evil cpuloard
[00:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so, what did you need help with?
[00:51] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: google doctor who fez image
[00:51] <apachelogger> eh
[00:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 
[00:51] <apachelogger> kubotu:  google doctor who fez image
[00:51] <kubotu> Results for doctor who fez image: 1. Photobucket | doctor who fez Pictures, doctor who fez Images ...: http://photobucket.com/images/Doctor+Who+Fez/ | 2. Doctor who fez image by DoctorWhoGifss5 on Photobucket: http://media.photobucket.com/image/doctor%20who%20fez/DoctorWhoGifss5/Doctor%20Who%20Gifs/fezzandmop.gif?o=6
[00:51] <kubotu> 3. Doctor who fez image by aysedemir on Photobucket: http://media.photobucket.com/image/doctor%20who%20fez/aysedemir/Fesisstillcool.png?o=17
[00:51] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ^
[00:51] <apachelogger> there ye go
[00:51] <Quintasan> duh
[00:51] <Quintasan> silly tab
[00:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: coat, jacket or sweater
[00:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It Budapest. take jacket
[00:51] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You are about to love me.
[00:52]  * apachelogger ponders only taking a suite with him to stick out
[00:52] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[00:52] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: did you find me a hung-arian?
[00:52] <apachelogger> hm, with a bit more effort that could have gone better
[00:52] <apachelogger> meh
[00:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: but coats pwn jackets
[00:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when it's cold then it's tru
[00:53] <apachelogger> Wearable Wars - The Coats Strike Back
[00:53] <Quintasan> true even
[00:53] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I was told to go to Ecseri Piac and you'll find it there.
[00:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the weather gods claim it can be 10 C at nights
[00:53] <apachelogger> which is cold by my standards
[00:54] <Quintasan> Cold?
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> It's the largst flea market in central europe
[00:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: they don't have dedicated fez vendors in budapest? :O
[00:54] <apachelogger> wtf
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I was told that you will find one here. http://www.lonelyplanet.com/hungary/budapest/shopping/market/ecseri-piac
[00:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: cold is when it is not warm
[00:54] <ScottK> I checked the weather and the forecast (if I'm doing the C/F conversion right) is for less than 10C at night.
[00:54] <apachelogger> equally it is warm when it is not cold
[00:54] <apachelogger> try proofing that using induction
[00:54] <apachelogger> muhahah
[00:55] <ScottK> With enough induction it would warm up anyway.
[00:55] <Quintasan> get lost, its not maths time :P
[00:55] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ok, thx, I'd have imagined they have like a shopping mall dedicated to fezes or at least hats :S
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> They prolly have a hat place.
[00:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: jacket as in the stuff for suit or jacket as in the stuff you wear when it's raining?
[00:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: latter
[00:56] <apachelogger> former I will bring anyway
[00:57] <Quintasan> oh
[00:57] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: well, you know, if we create a spec to get us equipped with fezes we might as well try to get fitting ones with professional support or something
[00:58] <DarkwingDuck> There are TONS of places to order them here in the US
[00:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go with coat in that case
[00:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I was wondering if I should take a jacket with me too, looks like I will :P
[00:59] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: We can even order them with a personal logo on them :D http://www.fez-o-rama.com/
[01:00] <Quintasan> Anyone else than apachelogger fancies a Polish beer at UDS?
[01:00] <DarkwingDuck> LOL a bunch of fez's with Kubuntu logo... THAT would be epic
[01:01] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: if we can get them delivered by tuesday morning ^^
[01:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Actually, I wonder if they let me take beer with me at the airport :O
[01:01] <apachelogger> actually with kubuntu logo would be awesomest
[01:01] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Not sure about that... But for UDS-P I'm planning of getting us all shirts
[01:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sure, just not on the aircraft
[01:02] <apachelogger> ... or through security CP for that matter
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> My grandmother has one of the sewing machines that does embordery
[01:02] <valorie> you rock, DarkwingDuck
[01:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: then how the hell am I supposed to bring you a beer? -_-
[01:02] <valorie> fezzes with Kubuntu and lasers sound awesome
[01:03] <ScottK> Remember the lasers only count if they can do some damage.
[01:03] <Quintasan> True.
[01:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ah, those fezes are very expensive
[01:03] <valorie> naturally
[01:03] <ScottK> Detached retinas don't count.
[01:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: good idea with the ts though
[01:04] <valorie> we'll install the Canonical Patch brand lasers
[01:04] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: now we need a laser vendor plz
[01:04] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking both T-shirts and Golf style collered shirts.
[01:04] <DarkwingDuck> With the logo and name.
[01:04] <apachelogger> possibly the university has an appropriate laser
[01:04] <ScottK> valorie: No.  I want them to work.
[01:04] <valorie> Nightrose can surely hook us up
[01:04] <apachelogger> question is whether it will be portable enough
[01:04] <valorie> hers cut SKULLS
[01:04] <apachelogger> like we have one roundabouts here which fills up like an entire building or something
[01:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: While you are at it, make a whole line of chlothing and sell it
[01:05] <apachelogger> I think they use it to make tea or something
[01:05] <valorie> "ScottK> Remember the lasers only count if they can do some damage."
[01:05] <valorie> the Canonical Patch models do damage
[01:05] <valorie> :-)
[01:05] <apachelogger> a laser that fires canonical patches?
[01:05] <apachelogger> now that is scary
[01:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not a bad idea
[01:06] <apachelogger> I shall ponder on that a bit
[01:06]  * Quintasan shall head to bed pondering on how to smuggle beer through Berlin's airport
[01:07] <Quintasan> I've got to wake up early tomor....today even
[01:07]  * apachelogger needs to get up in 4 hours
[01:07] <apachelogger> always the same
[01:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Good luck then :)
[01:07] <apachelogger> I never finish packing in time, and then I need to stay up forever
[01:08] <Quintasan> Good night.
[01:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: thanks I send to you
[01:08] <ScottK> Quintasan: Don't do something that means you aren't allowed to come.
[01:08] <apachelogger> and a good night I wish
[01:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: don't pull a prince harry at the airport
[01:08] <apachelogger> the germans do not take very kindly to that sorta thing
[01:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I won't do anything that extreme just to bring apachelogger a beer
[01:08] <apachelogger> might get you arrested by german secret service and shipped off to some island in the caribe
[01:08] <Quintasan> UDS-P has to be in Poland
[01:09] <Quintasan> Seriously
[01:09] <apachelogger> or Pensivlenia
[01:09] <apachelogger> or however that is spelled
[01:09] <Quintasan> s/Poland/Proland
[01:09] <claydoh> wow kubuntuforums is down *again* :(
[01:09] <apachelogger> actually, I just notice the spelling is all messed up
[01:09] <valorie> Pennsylvania
[01:09]  * apachelogger sues the keyboard
[01:09] <valorie> named after William Penn
[01:10] <apachelogger> valorie: I knew that, just testing you :P
[01:10] <valorie> lol
[01:10]  * apachelogger has no idea who william penn is/was/will be
[01:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: google william penn
[01:10] <kubotu> Results for william penn: 1. William Penn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn | 2. Welcome to William Penn University: http://www.wmpenn.edu/ | 3. Brief History of William Penn: http://www.ushistory.org/penn/bio.htm
[01:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: thank you good lad
[01:10] <valorie> cold has stuffed up my head, not yet down to my fingers
[01:10] <valorie> awesome old Quaker
[01:11] <Quintasan> Damn, definitely going to bed now
[01:11]  * apachelogger thought Quintasan left already...
[01:11] <valorie> sleep quickly!
[01:11] <valorie> this is amazing: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/game-developer-david-braben-creates-a-usb-stick-pc-for-25-2011055/
[01:12] <apachelogger> valorie: only fitting that if he got his own state he should name it after himself
[01:13] <valorie> lol
[01:13] <apachelogger> like mine would be empire of sitting
[01:13] <valorie> back then, the "doff you hat" thing was so important
[01:13] <valorie> I love that he got away with it
[01:14] <valorie> too bad parts of Pennsylvania are inhabited by hater-people now
[01:14] <valorie> back to blogging, no fezzes, no laz0rs
[01:14] <apachelogger> valorie: you could add http://i.qkme.me/1708.jpg to your blog post
[01:15] <apachelogger> just to establish a solid point
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'll do these polo shirts and just mail them to people who want them.
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> we need more Kubuntu Swag
[01:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: we need a spec
[01:17] <valorie> lol, apachelogger
[01:17] <apachelogger> kubuntu-o-plunder-kubuntu-needs-to-annoy-mark-for-plunder
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[01:17] <claydoh> make sure we get something to fit my fat ar, er, belly:)
[01:17] <valorie> I have a shirt and hat, but they are no longer for sale by Canonical
[01:17] <valorie> :(
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> There are some stuff still for sale but nothing with the "new" branding
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: are you a 2X like me?
[01:18] <apachelogger> claydoh: kubuntu-o-plunder-kubuntu-needs-plunder-for-bellies
[01:18] <apachelogger> like if we dress the people, we might as well dress the bellies
[01:18] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: better get out the old stuff then
[01:18] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: oh noes, 4x here :( tho i have lost 5 lbs the past moth or so
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: i want the new stuff
[01:18] <valorie> I want new
[01:18] <valorie> I have old
[01:18] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: but what to do with the old stuff :P
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: when i get these I'll get youa couple
[01:19] <apachelogger> I have new, I want old
[01:19] <valorie> I still wear the old also
[01:19] <claydoh> sa-weet:)
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> I have old.
[01:19]  * apachelogger still wears the kubuntu underwear
[01:19]  * DarkwingDuck goes to mail the ML and see what people want.
[01:19] <apachelogger> in fact, I only take it off for showers
[01:20] <apachelogger> *yawn*
[01:20] <apachelogger> packing is progressing well
[01:20] <apachelogger> 1.5 hours and I did not touch a thing
[01:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[01:20] <valorie> bathing trunks and jacket, what else do you need?
[01:20] <valorie> oh, toothbrush
[01:20] <apachelogger> ah, I blame it all on ScottK and DarkwingDuck
[01:21] <apachelogger> we sorta got stuck with the question whether we can have all sessions in hottub
[01:21] <apachelogger> which would immediately solve the whole packing problem
[01:21]  * apachelogger runs dh_cleansuitecase
[01:22] <apachelogger> valorie: http://www.anthonyshaffer.co.uk/Pics/Screenplays/EvilSun15.JPG
[01:22] <apachelogger> that could just work
[01:22] <apachelogger> if I had such a bathing suite
[01:22] <valorie> as long as you have mics set up
[01:22] <valorie> and irc
[01:22] <apachelogger> though I dont
[01:22] <valorie> that is an amazing bathing suit
[01:23] <valorie> lol
[01:23] <apachelogger> valorie: I was thinking walkie-talkies and a 'satelite' person that sits in wifiable area
[01:23] <valorie> rofl
[01:23] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, I'd love to get one like that
[01:23] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do you think they have a bathing suite like that at the flea market?
[01:23] <valorie> that and the fez, and you are SET
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Prolly...
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> The shirts... white?
[01:30] <apachelogger> black I'd say
[01:30] <apachelogger> otherwise we'd have a belly situation
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe I'll do some in both
[01:31] <apachelogger> you need to do a market analysis first
[01:31] <apachelogger> then decide
[01:31] <apachelogger> have you not learned anything about the marketingz
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:31] <apachelogger> oh, right, kubuntu has no marketingz
[01:31] <apachelogger> uds-o-plunder-kubuntu-needs-marketz
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> I do Ubuntu style marketing... 
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> Tough
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> deal with it
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> it's what you get. :P:P
[01:32] <apachelogger> you be playing right into the hands of them evil canonical
[01:32]  * apachelogger should go read some canonical rants some time
[01:32] <apachelogger> they are just too entertaining :D
[01:32] <apachelogger> but then again, canonical does not own mr linux, so I suppose it makes sense
[01:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: google youtubez mr linux
[01:32] <kubotu> Results for youtubez mr linux: 1. Mr. linux dj | Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-linux-dj/71925254006 | 2. Layel 2010: http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://pada.com.br/adscontent.php?q%3Dlayel-2010&page=7 | 3. Mr. Linux | The Linux Foundation Video Site: http://video.linux.com/tags/mr-linux
[01:33] <apachelogger> oy!
[01:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: now this was utter fail my friend
[01:33] <valorie> blog post almost complete, but we need to go to dinner
[01:33] <apachelogger> to the firemachine!
[01:33] <apachelogger> valorie: if you had a tablet you could blog while at dinner... :)
[01:34] <valorie> I could blog on my phone if I learned how
[01:34] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: http://www.youtube.com/user/novell#p/u/3/EJggXWBTLaQ the reason ubuntu will never win
[01:34] <valorie> I'm not too swift atm with my head full of unmentionable junk
[01:35] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: LOL
[01:35] <apachelogger> he is like chuck norris for geeks
[01:35] <apachelogger> valorie: oh, you are also on the drugs?
[01:37]  * apachelogger puts the monty python on the table-t
[01:39] <ScottK> SirPatchalot: You should bring the Disney mouse princess hands to go witht your fez.
[01:40] <SirPatchalot> no, that only was fun once
[01:40] <SirPatchalot> hence we need to get new hats
[01:40] <SirPatchalot> such as a fez
[01:41] <claydoh> I want a fez, perhaps the kubuntu thong, and a sonic screwdriver to go along with a nice shirt
[01:41]  * claydoh has simple tastes
[01:42] <SirPatchalot> why the sonic screwdriver?
[01:42]  * claydoh will sell body parts to get kubuntuforums away from the crap/free/windows server it  is  running poorly on
[01:42] <claydoh> SirPatchalot: it is cool, and i want one
[01:43] <claydoh> and is easier to come by than an Amy Pond
[01:45]  * SirPatchalot only can think of one thing to do with a sonic screw driver...
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> Drink it?
[01:45] <SirPatchalot> also it is ironic that kubuntuforums should run the windows
[01:45] <SirPatchalot> DarkwingDuck: walk through a shopping mall ...
[01:46] <SirPatchalot> with the thing turned on
[01:46] <claydoh> SirPatchalot: the dude took a free service offer, and it  has been mostly OK since 2006
[01:46] <SirPatchalot> it would be like all kap0tt
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> hehehehe
[01:46] <SirPatchalot> claydoh: when I get me a free service, I get it from a proper geek
[01:46] <SirPatchalot> so it runs gentoo and fails every month or so
[01:46] <SirPatchalot> ^^
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[01:47] <claydoh> SirPatchalot: yeah. We are going to get our own vps or something, already have a vbulletin license donated (tho I actually like the smf  forum software)
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Funny enough, both of my dedicated servers run CentOS and my home server runs Ubuntu Server
[01:48] <SirPatchalot> use whatever kde uses
[01:48] <SirPatchalot> for kde is supreme
[01:48] <claydoh> just have to get the owner to get the ball riolling, a bit faster
[01:48] <claydoh> when we do, I will have actual admin access so that i can break it 
[01:48] <claydoh> :)
[01:49] <claydoh> then look the hero when i fix it :D
[01:49] <SirPatchalot> DarkwingDuck: you have been hacked?
[01:49] <SirPatchalot> claydoh: that is what I did with kubuntu
[01:49] <SirPatchalot> got boring after a while
[01:50] <SirPatchalot> DarkwingDuck: http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127
[01:51] <claydoh> well, really just having more than some unknown person in unknown places who i don't know how to contact directly to fix things is a step up
[01:52] <claydoh> the owner is army/reserves/guard and is often away as well
[01:58] <SirPatchalot> claydoh: management fail
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> now, lets see, 4 tshirts, 2 shirts, 3 trousers, 1 suite
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> that ought to work
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> OTOH...
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> ah
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> whateve
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> r
[01:59]  * SirPatchalot grabs a towel
[01:59] <SirPatchalot> don't panic
[02:01] <claydoh> SirPatchalot: is it safe to mix british sci-fi metaphors?
[02:02] <SirPatchalot> claydoh: did I do that?
[02:02] <claydoh> almost
[02:03] <SirPatchalot> one ought to be careful with that
[02:03] <SirPatchalot> if things get mutually exclusive you might end up in a surreal world
[02:03] <claydoh> the dr meets Zaphod
[02:03] <claydoh> or k9 meets marvin
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> Do we have a working Ubuntu One client for KDE/Kubuntu yet?
[03:12] <claydoh> lolz roflmao 
[03:13] <claydoh> sorry DarkwingDuck, we do not have such a thing, tho there is a working dropbox client for kde...
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> Just checking
[03:16]  * DarkwingDuck is applying for a job at canonical lol
[03:43] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: whatcha gonna do there if you get it? If I may ask
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: Web Developer for Ubuntu One. I've been doing Web Dev since 1996
[03:44] <claydoh> cool,  so you can at least bug someone directly about kubuntu support :)
[03:44] <claydoh> and often
[03:51] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/05/regression-testing-please.html
[03:52] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: that would be awesome
[03:52] <valorie> maybe there IS hope!
[03:56] <claydoh> I won't hold my breath, and I am not usually negative :(
[03:56] <claydoh> on the u1, not the job of course
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> It's someting I've been doing for years and years... So why not? I'm unemployed right now anyway.
[04:08] <valorie> damn comcast, this is getting boring -- every night connection problems!
[04:11] <valorie> also, DarkwingDuck: http://www.flickr.com/humans.txt
[04:13] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone here have expirence with resumes?
[05:04] <cpatrick008> i was wondering when 4.6.3 will be updated to natty
[05:09]  * DarkwingDuck holds his breath
[05:10] <DarkwingDuck> resume sent.
[05:54] <ScottK> valorie: Thanks.
[06:59] <valorie> you are very welcome, ScottK
[06:59] <valorie> hope it does some good
[07:00] <ScottK> It should raise awareness.
[07:16]  * valorie goes to check for comments
[07:18] <valorie> none yet, darn it
[07:18]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> This would be SOOOOO much simplier if I had a speech to text program
[07:19] <valorie> we have the opposite
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> I gave up looking
[07:20] <valorie> speech to text is rather difficult
[07:20] <valorie> although -- you can call your google number
[07:20] <valorie> and get the vm as text
[07:20] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I thought about that.
[08:10] <bambee> morning
[08:19] <debfx> apachelogger: kaffeine doesn't use phonon, right?
[08:29] <valorie> debfx, I don't believe it does
[08:30] <valorie> and I think apachelogger is either asleep or on a train to Hungary
[08:30] <valorie> I want to update the April and May monthly reports
[08:30] <valorie> but we don'
[08:30] <valorie> t have ANY from this year!
[08:30] <valorie> they end at Nov. 2010
[08:30] <valorie> !
[08:31] <debfx> valorie: ok thanks, then it doesn't make sense to ask users to install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[08:31] <valorie> hmmmm
[08:31] <valorie> let me look at something
[08:34] <valorie> looking at muon, phonon is mentioned, but is NOT a dependency
[08:35] <valorie> also, Suggests: libxine1-ffmpeg
[08:35] <valorie> and then in changes: 
[08:35] <valorie> kaffeine (1.1-0ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low
[08:35] <valorie>   * In kubuntu_01_kaffeine_restricted_install.diff install GStreamer
[08:35] <valorie>     plugin instead of Xine
[08:37] <Tm_T> didn't kaffeine use xine/mplayer directly?
[08:37] <valorie> but you notice that is not phonon-backend-gstreamer
[08:37] <valorie> that's what it looks like
[08:37] <valorie> they switched from xine to gst
[08:37] <valorie> with no phonon abstraction layer
[08:38] <Tm_T> hmm, to gstreamer?
[08:38] <valorie> taht was a change for natty
[08:38] <valorie> I assume since we no longer ship xine
[08:38] <Tm_T> cannot see it in kaffeine.kde.org
[08:38] <Tm_T> valorie: ah, it's our change then?
[08:38] <valorie> I'm looking in the changes tab in Muon
[08:39] <valorie> that's what I quoted above
[08:39] <Tm_T> ah, it's our change then (:
[08:41] <valorie> so does anyone know how to generate those damned monthly report forms?
[08:42] <Tm_T> who has done them usually?
[08:42] <valorie> riddell, I image
[08:43] <valorie> imagine
[08:43] <valorie> I figured it out once, i guess I can figure it out again
[08:47] <Tm_T> valorie: if you have time and enthusiasm, document it pretty please? (:
[08:48] <bambee> we could move the 4.6.3 release into kubuntu-ppa/backports, imho (I can help for that)
[08:48] <valorie> I will do it tomorrow
[08:48] <valorie> but my goodness, we are really behind
[08:55] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me which app I have to install in order to reproduce this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272098
[08:56] <c2tarun> I am just suggesting, that we should include the link to schedule for KDE SC.
[08:58] <debfx> bambee: have you tested 4.6.3 on natty?
[08:59] <c2tarun> I am just suggesting, that we should include the link to schedule for KDE SC on this channel's topc
[08:59] <bambee> debfx: I using it and it works just fine, it's not complete yet (kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons are missing) but works like a charm
[09:00] <debfx> bambee:  I think yofel uploaded both
[09:02] <bambee> debfx: ohh, you're right. I did not pay attention ;)
[09:03] <yofel> good morning :)
[09:04] <bambee> hi :)
[09:04] <yofel> also, 4.6.3 should go to kubuntu-ppa/ppa, nort backports
[09:04] <yofel> *not
[09:04] <bambee> mhhh indeed :\
[09:05]  * bambee is a bit confused with all these ppas
[09:08] <c2tarun> right now which ppa should I include to upgrade to kubuntu 4.6.3?
[09:08] <valorie> I just noticed that we do not yet have a https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric
[09:09] <valorie> that will be an important page this cycle
[09:09] <bambee> c2tarun: kubuntu-ninjas/ppa
[09:09] <yofel> c2tarun: so far it's only in ninjas
[09:10] <valorie> JonathanRiddell is on the natty page a LOT
[09:10] <yofel> well, we'll manage.. somehow
[09:11] <valorie> right, but my point is that we'll have to make a plan and stick to it
[09:11] <yofel> well, that's what UDS is for, right?
[09:12] <valorie> the plan, right
[09:12] <valorie> but riddell had a lot of stuff in his head
[09:12] <valorie> we're going to have to get it into the wiki, since he won't be around to ask
[09:13] <yofel> true
[09:16] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me what are we talking about, may be I can help :)
[09:17] <yofel> c2tarun: our roadmap for oneiric
[09:18] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm... how can we have it in wiki before UDS?
[09:20] <yofel> well, we obviously don't have one yet, as things will be decided at UDS. It's just that considering that Riddell will be gone for half a year means everyone of us will need to compensate that somehow
[09:21] <Quintasan> \o
[09:21] <yofel> gm Quintasan
[09:22] <valorie> I figured we would have a skeleton page
[09:30] <Quintasan> I think Riddell said he will be available in dire situations
[09:30] <Quintasan> It's not like he is leaving us FOREVER, is it?
[09:30] <valorie> no, he said he'd be back after a cycle
[09:31] <valorie> I'm glad we're not leading up to an LTS
[09:31] <Quintasan> I do believe we everyone here is competent and we can do a great job this cycle too
[09:31] <Quintasan> -we
[09:32] <valorie> yes! I agree
[09:32] <Quintasan> Well, it will be harder without Riddell but we can manage it one way or another
[09:32] <valorie> yes, we should attract another couple of packagers
[09:34] <Quintasan> Good idea
[09:41] <tazz> me me me me
[09:41] <tazz> :p
[09:46] <c2tarun> I want to join :) If anyone think I could
[09:49] <Quintasan> Ain't ya both doing packaging already?
[09:49] <Quintasan> If you want some work then just ask :P
[09:49] <c2tarun> great :)
[09:52] <bambee> feel free to ping me when there is something to do ;)
[09:52] <Quintasan> bambee: hahaha, there is a whole stack of Telepathy-KDE awaiting
[09:52] <Quintasan> Alure update to make Gluon work
[09:53] <c2tarun> ping me too :)
[09:53] <Quintasan> Kaption - screenshot tool should be packaged because IMO it's better than KSnapshot
[09:54] <c2tarun> mean while can anyone please tell me which application should I install to reproduce this bug :(
[09:54] <c2tarun> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272098
[09:54] <bambee> Quintasan: telepathy-kde for packaging ?
[09:55] <Quintasan> bambee: not telepath-kde but the rest of the stack
[09:55] <Quintasan> like telepathy-accounts-kcm
[09:55] <Quintasan> telepathy-accounts-kcm-plugins
[09:55] <Quintasan> etc.
[09:55] <bambee> ok
[09:55] <Quintasan> c2tarun: telepathy kde
[09:56] <Quintasan> c2tarun, bambee: http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration
[09:56] <c2tarun> Quintasan: E: Unable to locate package telepathy-kde
[09:56] <Quintasan> there is no package for it 
[09:56] <Quintasan> bambee: but save the initial packaging for me
[09:56] <c2tarun> then?
[09:56] <Quintasan> I will do it during UDS
[09:57] <bambee> Quintasan: ok
[09:57] <Quintasan> Then I will leave maintainership in your hands
[09:57] <Quintasan> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDroid?content=141506
[09:57] <Quintasan> This can be a nice stuff
[09:58] <bambee> Quintasan:  :D
[10:06] <bambee> Quintasan: I don't understand, where is the packages list ?
[10:07] <shadeslayer> dude
[10:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i'd advise against packaging telepathy kde right now
[10:08] <shadeslayer> it needs desktop-ontologies from git which hasn't had a new release yet
[10:09] <shadeslayer> and telepathy KDE guys will have a tech preview release with everything sorted out next month .... right now they have something like 7 repos that you will need to individually package
[10:11] <bambee> so we need to wait
[10:11] <c2tarun> one more question please, whenever we have to do telepathy kde packaging, do we have to do packaging from scratch?
[10:11] <shadeslayer> i would advise to wait, yes
[10:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: since KDE Telepathy hasn't been packaged yet, yes
[10:12] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what if someone never did packaging from scratch :( (Like me)
[10:13]  * valorie takes niquil and goes to bed
[10:13] <c2tarun> valorie: gn :)
[10:13] <yofel> bambee, c2tarun, tazz: make a note of the 19th, it's 4.7 beta1 tagging time ;)
[10:13] <yofel> lots to package
[10:14] <c2tarun> yofel: I remember :)
[10:14] <bambee> yofel: okay
[10:14] <shadeslayer> and upstream keeps adding new features everyday  ^_^
[10:14] <shadeslayer> oooh
[10:14] <shadeslayer> shiny
[10:14] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: look at the ubuntu wiki
[10:14] <shadeslayer> specifically the packaging guide
[10:15] <yofel> we'll have to totally repackage kdebindings and kdeedu since they'll be shipped in pieces now, not bundled
[10:22] <shadeslayer> do we usually ship svgz files in packages?
[10:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: HAHA lol
[10:30] <shadeslayer> hmm>
[10:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whut happened?
[10:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm keeping in touch with upstream, we should start now
[10:30] <Quintasan> packaging telepathy
[10:31] <Quintasan> splitting later will be easier
[10:31] <shadeslayer> actually ... theyre thinking of combining stuff later
[10:31] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:31] <shadeslayer> so that's going to be difficult
[10:31] <Quintasan> when did they tell you that?
[10:31] <shadeslayer> i had a talk with d_ed
[10:31] <Quintasan> herp derp
[10:31] <bambee> Quintasan: even if software features are not frozen yet ?
[10:31] <shadeslayer> yeah so i'd say just wait for a month
[10:32] <Quintasan> I ain't doing it until they release something acceptable
[10:32]  * shadeslayer is fixing HIG stuff in telepathy KDE nowadays
[10:32] <Quintasan> bambee: if they are frozen means we cant add new stuff
[10:34] <Quintasan> http://summit.ubuntu.com/mobile/
[10:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[10:34] <shadeslayer> i saw
[10:34] <bambee> I know, but shadeslayer has said "and upstream keeps adding new features everyday  ^_^"
[10:34] <shadeslayer> righto ^^ because they haven't hit a freeze yet
[10:35] <bambee> so why should we package it now ? if they haven't hit a freeze yet, it's also harder to maintain, imho :)
[10:36] <shadeslayer> that's what i'm saying :P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> wait for them to release a tech preview next month
[10:36] <bambee> shadeslayer: but Quintasan is not agree with us apparently
[10:37] <Quintasan> bambee: they told me something else than they did tell shadeslayer
[10:37] <Quintasan> or I misunderstood them
[10:37] <bambee> ohh
[10:37] <Quintasan> whatever, don't package it
[10:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: when did you last talk to them?
[10:37] <Quintasan> because they will either merge some stuff or split it
[10:37] <Quintasan> like, two or three days ago
[10:38] <shadeslayer> well from my talk with d_ed a couple of weeks ago, they are still unsure how they'd like to release it
[10:38] <Quintasan> pbuilderz r rdy
[10:38] <Quintasan> then lets copy gpg keys
[10:38] <shadeslayer> infact .... they've yet to finalize the DBus interface names ^_^
[10:38]  * Quintasan notes he should be packing not discussing some trifling matters
[10:39] <Quintasan> Where'd I put that stepmania mat...
[10:39] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[10:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel should i ship svgz icon files?
[10:49] <yofel> if they're installed I would say yes, they should be installed for a reason
[10:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:04] <shadeslayer> okay i've finished off KDE PIM 4.5.95 finally
[11:04] <shadeslayer> now to test build it
[11:47] <apachelogger> valorie: kaffeine switched to vlc
[11:47] <apachelogger> from xine
[11:48] <tazz> interesting                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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[12:06] <apachelogger> fortunate enough the kaffeine developer did not do his homework and isn't using my superior libcutevlc, which had made his life 300% easier
[12:08] <bambee> why don't use phonon ?
[12:08] <apachelogger> beats me
[12:13] <bambee> ^_^
[13:24] <apachelogger> fooey
[13:24]  * apachelogger needs to get a train ticket tomorrows
[13:28] <shadeslayer> so who wants to test KDE PIM 4.5.95 ?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> aw crap
[13:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: question, if i build kdepim-runtime against KDE 4.6.2 and kdepim against KDE 4.6.3, any possible issues that might crop up?
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is not impossible
[14:15] <apachelogger> depends on what kdepim-runtime links against etc.
[14:15] <shadeslayer> i haz no idea what it links against ^_^
[14:16] <shadeslayer> i'll just rebuild them both when i copy them to experimental PPA
[14:16] <shadeslayer> so i should be safe that way
[14:19] <bambee> is there a way to lock a file in Qt ?
[14:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so I got you a very scary beer
[14:27] <apachelogger> bambee: what do you mean by lock?
[14:27] <apachelogger> I do not think any linux native file system supports locking, certainly not ext
[14:27] <bambee> apachelogger: file lock, like fcntl with F_SETLK does
[14:31] <apachelogger> bambee: I don't think you can with Qt
[14:31] <bambee> arrf
[14:31] <apachelogger> as QFile is not working on descriptors on every platform
[14:32] <apachelogger> bambee: what do you try to do?
[14:34] <bambee> apachelogger: I write modifications into shadow files. So basically for /etc/group, I create a temp file using qtemporaryfile , I write everything into this temp file, then I acquire a writelock on /etc/group. and finally I rename my tempfile to /etc/group.
[14:34] <apachelogger> oh
[14:35] <apachelogger> bambee: QFile::handle()
[14:35] <apachelogger> that ought to return the fd
[14:35] <bambee> indeed
[14:35] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qfile.html#handle
[14:35] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I was refering to a book recommended for qt. In book in Qt Designer tutorial the ui_gotocelldialog.h file in book is slightly different than the file I am actually getting. Can you please explain me why?
[14:36] <bambee> apachelogger: I did not see this method, thanks
[14:36] <bambee> I think I will probably use fcntl (it's posix)
[14:36] <apachelogger> c2tarun: because the .h is compiled, natrually different versions of a compiler can create slightly different output
[14:36] <apachelogger> ontop of that it is compiled form xml markup, which by itself can vary a lot between versions of qt designer
[14:37] <apachelogger> bambee: I dare saying that fcntl is the only reliable way anyway :P
[14:38] <apachelogger> the linux locking business is all messed up anyway
[14:38] <bambee> apparently it is
[14:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: scary?
[14:40] <Quintasan> how can beer be scary?
[14:40] <apachelogger> the description on the back is in english ....
[14:40] <Quintasan> lol
[14:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www.schloss-eggenberg.at/site/en_srt_urbock.asp?id=85
[14:46] <ScottK> bambee: 4.6.3 should go to the updates PPA, not backports.
[14:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :D
[14:46] <ScottK> (at least for natty)
[14:46] <yofel> re
[14:47] <ScottK> Ah.  Looks like yofel beat me to it.
[14:47] <yofel> huh? I didn't do anything yet ^^
[14:47] <yofel> ah, earlier
[14:48] <yofel> should we do backports? It'll break upgrades again until we get somthing into natty-updates
[14:48] <ScottK> Let's not.
[14:49] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[14:49]  * apachelogger had too much coffee
[14:57] <bambee> Arrff I won't be present for "Packaging for oneiric" monday  :'(
[14:58]  * bambee  beats himself with a chainsaw
[15:40] <shadeslayer> btw any particular reason why we bundle pyqt instead of pyside in the kubuntu CD?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[15:52] <yofel> yes
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: care to do some KDE PIM testing ? :D
[15:53] <yofel> sure, need to install it first though, just reinstalled the OS
[15:53] <shadeslayer> alright :)
[15:53] <shadeslayer> it's in ninjas and staging right now
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: bulldog98 also packaged KDE PIM 4.5.95, which is in experimental ppa, so try that out first
[16:01] <shadeslayer> if it works, i won't copy over my work
[16:31] <yofel> meh, need to take care of something, I'll test kdepim later
[16:37] <shadeslayer> sure np
[16:39] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: are you free for few mins, got a problem in a small Qt program.
[16:39] <shadeslayer> sure shoot
[16:40] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i'm talking to a couple of people about my own problems, so might not be able to reply quickly
[16:41] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I created a dialog with QtDesigner here is its header file http://paste.ubuntu.com/604493/ then I wrote my own class, http://paste.ubuntu.com/604492/ when lineEdit->textChanged signal is emmitting the respective slot is not getting called.
[16:41] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: sure take your time :)
[16:50]  * bambee has broken his /etc/group... xD (fortunately he made a backup)
[16:50] <bambee> o_O
[16:55] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: oh darn .... looking
[16:55] <shadeslayer> sorry
[16:55] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: no prob :)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: add a : qDebug() << "I'm at the slot now" : to the slot
[16:57] <shadeslayer> and monitor the terminal for that string
[16:57] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: also, that connect is commented out
[16:57] <shadeslayer> so you might want to uncomment it
[16:58] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: actually look at the QtDesigne'r header file line 88. that slot should be connected automatically.
[16:59] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I also tried to remove comment from that line and nothing happening then also.
[17:01] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[17:01] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: no luck with qDebug.
[17:02] <c2tarun> that slot is not getting called.
[17:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i solved that lineedit isse
[17:02] <shadeslayer> *issue
[17:02]  * apachelogger just mowed the law :D :D :D
[17:02] <shadeslayer> i just needed to call setMenu ... which i forgot to add
[17:02] <shadeslayer> you just mowed the law? :O
[17:04] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you figured any problem about that slot?
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are no fun my friend
[17:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: not yet
[17:05] <shadeslayer> maybe apachelogger knows
[17:05] <c2tarun> :(
[17:05] <apachelogger> what do I know?
[17:05] <apachelogger> row row row ye boat gently down the stream
[17:06] <shadeslayer> uh
[17:06] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: where is that slot declared?
[17:06] <apachelogger> ah
[17:06] <apachelogger> my dear friends
[17:07] <apachelogger> R
[17:07] <apachelogger> T
[17:07] <apachelogger> F
[17:07] <apachelogger> M
[17:07] <apachelogger> there is no such slot textChanged()
[17:07] <apachelogger> eh
[17:07] <apachelogger> signal
[17:07] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: here is the slot declared http://paste.ubuntu.com/604498/
[17:07] <shadeslayer> lulz
[17:07] <apachelogger> there only is textChanged(QString) or somesuch
[17:07] <shadeslayer> what apachelogger said
[17:08] <apachelogger> now as connectSlotsByName is utter lulz the slot must match the signal absolutely and entirely
[17:08] <c2tarun> ohh...
[17:08] <apachelogger> and for teh record connectSlotsByName is about as bad a feature to use as it gets
[17:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-mow-your-lawn.htm
[17:09] <apachelogger> here you goes
[17:09] <apachelogger> there is even a videoz
[17:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw nigelb is coming to UDS, you need to convert him to the dark side
[17:12] <apachelogger> java?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> no KDE
[17:15] <apachelogger> oh
[17:15] <apachelogger> isnt that the blue side?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: don't you remember my color theme?
[17:17] <apachelogger> no
[17:17] <apachelogger> row row row ye boat gently down the stream
[17:17] <apachelogger> and if you see a pyth0rn, dont forget to scream
[17:17] <shadeslayer> well i have a dark theme
[17:18] <apachelogger> you are the dark knit
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yes :P
[17:18] <apachelogger> tada http://blog.craftzine.com/upload/2009/01/how_to_-_knit_sackboy/knit%20sack%20boy.jpg
[17:18] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I think this should have worked http://paste.ubuntu.com/604502/ but its not working :(
[17:19] <shadeslayer> dude
[17:19] <shadeslayer> didn't you hear what apachelogger just said
[17:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nice
[17:19] <apachelogger> if there was one reason to buy the ps3, it was littletallworld
[17:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I don't think quassel has jovie integration, so unless he reads out loud I doubt he heared it
[17:20]  * apachelogger should take a bath
[17:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: sorry not getting, what do you mean?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan_, jussi, ScottK: so, I'll be arriving 1500ish, so either you like hang out in the lobby or someone tells me their fon numba, so I can ring you when I am there :P
[17:22] <Quintasan_> apachelogger: I haz stuff to read so I'm not in danger of boredom
[17:22] <Quintasan_> apachelogger: 530939555 <- mah fonz number
[17:22] <apachelogger> roger roger roger
[17:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: is that with the country code thing actually?
[17:23]  * apachelogger thought poland was something in the 40ish range
[17:24] <apachelogger> c2tarun: thy shalt not use the connectSlotsByName
[17:25] <ScottK> I won't have a working phone there.
[17:25] <c2tarun> apachelogger: may be connectSlotsByName is a bad way, but it should work? isn't it? and let me try removing it
[17:25]  * ScottK is at the first airport, btw.
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bon voyage
[17:27] <apachelogger> c2tarun: well, yes, but no
[17:27] <apachelogger> like you are working on a qdialog in the ui header
[17:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[17:27] <apachelogger> not sure how connectSlotsByName works with this, but reading this literal...
[17:28] <apachelogger> then you tell it to connect to all slots in the QDialog base that match your member signals
[17:28] <apachelogger> now the QDialog base does obviously not have the slot you want so that would be a reason why it is failing
[17:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: welcome :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: thank you
[17:28] <c2tarun> apachelogger: hmm.... I commented that QMetaObject line in ui_gotocelldialog.h file and here is my new gotocelldialog.cpp file http://paste.ubuntu.com/604504/
[17:28] <shadeslayer> what?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[17:29]  * shadeslayer doesn't follow because he is haxxoring on telepathy
[17:29] <apachelogger> c2tarun: that wont work
[17:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nah
[17:30] <c2tarun> apachelogger: yup :( sorry but can you please tell me why.
[17:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: +48530939555 would be with country code
[17:30] <ScottK> FYI, I just subsribed ~all of you to a new Kubuntu spec on prelinking.
[17:30] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:30] <ScottK> Quintasan: Can I put you in charge of making contact with the guy that wrote it and figure out when he can participate in a session about it?
[17:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: let me check this out first
[17:31] <ScottK> OK.
[17:32] <apachelogger> c2tarun: sure I can, signals and slots are connected on simplified types
[17:33] <shadeslayer> hmm .. i seem to have lost the link to the specs
[17:33] <c2tarun> apachelogger: simplified types means?
[17:34] <apachelogger> c2tarun: Qt does not care about the constness
[17:34]  * apachelogger looks for documentation
[17:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: so basically what we want to know when Fabi will be able to participate in session about prelink in Kubuntu?
[17:35] <c2tarun> apachelogger: but in signal declaration type is const QString
[17:35] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  Then I 'll try to schedule the session.
[17:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'll write to him right away then
[17:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: Perfect.
[17:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: See /topic.
[17:37] <shadeslayer> whee
[17:37] <shadeslayer> i kept going to UDS-O/Specs :P
[17:37] <ScottK> It's somewhat misplaced, but no point in moving it now.
[17:38] <apachelogger> c2tarun: <apachelogger> c2tarun: Qt does not care about the constness
[17:38] <apachelogger> oh
[17:38] <apachelogger> actually
[17:38] <apachelogger> ...
[17:38] <apachelogger> thinking about it, const QString & still ought to work
[17:38] <apachelogger> but slower
[17:39] <apachelogger> certainly not with &str though
[17:40] <c2tarun> apachelogger: not working :( I dont understand one thing, SIGNAL is proper in line         connect(lineEdit,SIGNAL(textChanged(const QString &str)),this,SLOT(on_lineEdit_textChanged(const QString &)));   now if we want we can pass QString parameter from signal to slot or if we dont want we'll not pass, then why do we need slot exactly same as signal?
[17:41] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qmetaobject.html#normalizedSignature
[17:41] <apachelogger> c2tarun: there is still astr
[17:41] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I removed that too, still not working
[17:41] <apachelogger> also if you compile with debug and run the app from a terminal Qt will tell you when a connection cannot be established
[17:41] <c2tarun> sorry I copied the line first and then removed it.
[17:41] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I am using terminal
[17:42] <apachelogger> about the exactly same...
[17:42] <apachelogger> c2tarun: <apachelogger> now as connectSlotsByName is utter lulz the slot must match the signal absolutely and entirely
[17:42] <apachelogger> that is a limiation of that crap there
[17:43] <apachelogger> if you manually connect stuff you can leave the argument in the slot out
[17:43] <apachelogger> but only in the slot!!!
[17:43]  * c2tarun swear not to use connectSlotsByname
[17:44] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/signalsandslots.html
[17:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, will be kinda hard, he didnt provide email in Launchpad and I'm not sure he will respond on Jabber shortly
[17:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: You can also send him email via Launchpad.
[17:46] <apachelogger> lunchpad omnomnom
[17:47] <ScottK> "Contact this user" or some such.
[17:47] <apachelogger> it is a very neat feature, it allows people who do not know how to operate a mail client to still annoy me ;)
[17:48] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I read that page earlier :( and this is my new gotocelldialog.cpp http://paste.ubuntu.com/604510/ its also not working, as per you directed it should work, I connected manually.
[17:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: Mail sent, I will be awaiting response, any special way in which I should contact you or IRC?
[17:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: IRC is fine.  If I'm in transit I'll get the backscroll eventually.
[17:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:53] <apachelogger> c2tarun: you are doing it wrong (tm)
[17:53] <apachelogger> upload your codez somewhere
[17:54] <c2tarun> all of them?
[17:54] <apachelogger> yas
[17:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas how to tell the user that this status is currently selected?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/8PK1U.png << very bad mockup
[17:55] <apachelogger> call him
[17:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Obscure icons that look almost all alike.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[17:56] <apachelogger> who needs them many states anyway
[17:56]  * apachelogger finds this all rather silly
[17:57] <apachelogger> why is there none for watching .prn anyway?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right now those statuses are hardcoded, my next task is to implement a function which returns which presence is supported by the protocol and have a dynamic list instead of the current static one
[17:58] <apachelogger> the good ui designer would argue that you should only support 3 states to being with
[17:58] <shadeslayer> really?
[17:58] <apachelogger> either I am here, or I am not, or I am offline
[17:58] <shadeslayer> no invisible? :D
[17:58] <apachelogger> the flip I care
[17:58] <apachelogger> if I dont like people talking to me then I should not use IM pretty much
[17:59] <apachelogger> equally if I do not like certain people talking to me most of the times I probably should not have them in my contacts list
[17:59] <apachelogger> ...
[17:59] <ScottK> What's the difference between invisible and offline.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: with invisible you are online, but no one can see you
[18:00] <shadeslayer> but if you want to talk to someone, you can start a chat
[18:00] <apachelogger> you are here, except your are not really here, but you are
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the fact that ScottK just asked that question ought to make you wonder if invisible really makes sense...
[18:01] <c2tarun> apachelogger: http://uploading.com/files/c8f844eb/gotocell.tar.gz/
[18:01] <c2tarun> apachelogger: they are all my codes
[18:01] <ScottK> Accepting chats/Not Accepting chats/Offline
[18:02] <ScottK> Something like that maybe.
[18:02] <jussi> hrm, it seems my gnome part of this install has eaten all my default program setting (it starts nautilus for a file manager etc). anyway to restore them to kubuntu defaults? 
[18:04] <apachelogger> jussi: sudo apt-get purge libgnome-common
[18:04] <apachelogger> :P
[18:04] <jussi> lol
[18:07] <bambee> It's not very important (at least not for oneiric, as the spec does not contain this feature) but it would be nice to have a listview like that in userconfig, imho.  http://imageshack.us/f/831/kuser.png/
[18:07] <bambee> ie: you see everything about each user just with the listview :)
[18:08]  * apachelogger just had a case of the giggles
[18:08] <apachelogger> c2tarun: 	GoToCellDialog ui;
[18:08] <apachelogger> 	QDialog * dialog = new QDialog;
[18:08] <apachelogger> 	ui.setupUi(dialog);
[18:08] <apachelogger> this does not make no sense 
[18:09] <apachelogger> it is like a jussi in his underwear trying to get rid of the nautilus
[18:10] <apachelogger> bambee: as long as it is not default
[18:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: When do you not have a case of the giggles?
[18:10] <jussi> ScottK: so true...
[18:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:10] <bambee> apachelogger: why ?
[18:10] <apachelogger> bambee: cause it fails on the netbooky
[18:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: BTW, I showed my 17 year old daughter your Disney mouse princess photo from your UDS-N blog post and she said "I like this guy already".
[18:10] <apachelogger> also it looks really ewww
[18:10] <bambee> arrrf
[18:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol
[18:11] <ScottK> bambee: KDE is aimed at devices from smartphone to desktop, so the default U/I has to scale.
[18:11] <bambee> mhhhh indeed
[18:11] <apachelogger> also it looks really ewww!!!
[18:12] <apachelogger> never mind the target devices, every app should look nice by default
[18:12] <bambee> ewww ? wtf ?
[18:12] <apachelogger> now since showing that just about every user has /bin/bash as login shell does not add considerable value for the user it should not be visible by default
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/CvYFr.png
[18:12] <shadeslayer> a bit better
[18:12] <apachelogger> (just as an obvius example)
[18:13] <apachelogger> bambee: gross, disgusting, unbarable, makes me wanna throw up
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, you add clutter
[18:13] <shadeslayer> clutter? this was agateau's idea :P
[18:13] <apachelogger> so?
[18:14] <apachelogger> it is easier on the eyes
[18:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Far too many choice IMO.  For example, "Do Not Disturb".  If you don't want to be disturbed, go offline/invisible.
[18:14] <apachelogger> yet the underlying issue remains and you now got more stuff to make the menu feel busy
[18:14] <Quintasan> +1
[18:15]  * apachelogger should finish packing
[18:16]  * ScottK should probably pre-load on alcohol before the first flight.
[18:16] <c2tarun> apachelogger: this example was in book. and I tried to create a parent for every widget. Why is it wrong?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:16] <apachelogger> c2tarun: I doubt this is what was in the book
[18:17] <apachelogger>     GoToCellDialog ui; this creates an instance of you dialog which inherits QDialog and your Ui file (btw, inheritance of ui is mostly a bad idea)
[18:17] <apachelogger>     QDialog * dialog = new QDialog; this creates an instance of a regular QDialog
[18:18] <apachelogger>     ui.setupUi(dialog); this sets up your ui (available via public inheritance from GoToCellDialog) *within* the regular QDialog
[18:18] <apachelogger>     dialog->show(); this makes the regular QDialog appear
[18:19] <apachelogger> meaning, you never ever display *you* gotocelldialog
[18:19] <apachelogger> hence you don't get any slot calls as you are actually working on a completely different qdialog
[18:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: hah, he says he has no idea since he is busy with family stuff
[18:19] <apachelogger> c2tarun: if you make it
[18:19] <apachelogger>     GoToCellDialog ui;
[18:19] <apachelogger>     ui.show();
[18:19] <apachelogger> it will work
[18:20] <apachelogger>     GoToCellDialog ui; here you create your qdialog with your ui file
[18:20] <apachelogger> resultingly the ctor gets called
[18:20] <apachelogger> where you do
[18:20] <apachelogger>         setupUi(this);
[18:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: write him back and encourage him.   If we could know if day/evening is likely better and what TZ he's in we could take a shot at it.
[18:20] <apachelogger> which sets up the ui file for your 'ui' instance of GoToCellDialog
[18:20] <apachelogger> then connects all the signals etc
[18:21] <ScottK> If he wants the work done, he ought to at least show up and discuss it.
[18:21] <apachelogger> then when you call     ui.show(); you display *your* class, with the ui and your connections
[18:21] <apachelogger> resulting in a working dialog
[18:23] <c2tarun> well it worked :) thanks, but I have some doubts, I failed to find any constructor in ui_gotocelldialog.h
[18:24] <apachelogger> implicit constructor
[18:24] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ^^ and why it is wrong if I create a parent and pass it to setupUi?
[18:24] <apachelogger> maybe maybe but just maybe you should first read about C and C++ in general?
[18:24] <apachelogger> before you try doing Qt
[18:24] <apachelogger> certainly would be an advantage
[18:25] <apachelogger>     void setupUi(QDialog *GoToCellDialog)
[18:25] <apachelogger> c2tarun: whatever makes you think that the QDialog is a parent?
[18:25] <c2tarun> hmm.... yup, I was wrong.
[18:25] <apachelogger> well, not entirely
[18:26] <apachelogger> amongst other things it will be parent of just about every element in your UI
[18:26] <apachelogger> that has further affects though
[18:27] <apachelogger> a qwidget that is child of another qwidget belongs to the layout and thus graphical representation of the parenting qwidget
[18:27] <apachelogger> so by calling setupUi you create elements and move them into the QDialog you pass as argument (visually, from a language POV they are of course part of the UI class)
[18:28] <apachelogger> which in turn lead to the confusion with the wrong qdialog, as the wrong qdialog looked exactly like your qdialog was supposed to look, since you called setupui on it
[18:29] <apachelogger> interestingly enough, since setupUi creates the objects on the heap it was a completely different lineedit btw
[18:29] <apachelogger> (otherwise you'd still have gotten the call to the slot and stuff ;))
[18:30] <c2tarun> apachelogger: got it :) you are genius ;) thanks
[18:41] <markey> is an upgrade to Natty pretty much a safe thing now?
[18:42] <markey> some friends warned me it could have side effects
[18:42] <markey> like WiFi not working
[18:45] <c2tarun> markey: well it wasnt working for me in beginning but worked for me now
[18:45] <c2tarun> markey: which is your wifi card?
[18:47] <markey> c2tarun: Intel Ultimate-N 6300
[18:47] <c2tarun> markey: I don't think that you'll face any problem, only broadcom cards were freezing kernel
[18:47] <markey> oh ok
[19:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay now i'm stuck, a bit of help plz
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/y0O4O.png  and http://i.imgur.com/o6ekV.png
[19:02] <shadeslayer> when you click on advanced status menu you get the other menu with loads of stuff
[19:09] <c2tarun> can I add my name to this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O page?
[19:10] <bambee> c2tarun: it's opened to everyone , imho :)
[19:10] <bambee> so yes
[19:17] <yofel> as remote participant sure
[19:27] <Quintasan> ScottK: meh, he stopped responding :(
[19:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: He's UTC+1, he also said evening would be better but he does not know the day
[19:40]  * shadeslayer pokes apachelogger
[19:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: I also managed to squish out from him that Tuesday or Wedensday would be the best for him
[19:41] <DarkwingDuck> Wonder when nixternal was in here last.
[19:51] <apachelogger> row row row ye boat gently down the stream
[19:52] <apachelogger> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-prelink
[19:53] <apachelogger> is there actually proof that prelink improves kde startup speed?
[19:53] <apachelogger> cause I doubt it has much impact seeing as kdeinit is addressing the issue partially already
[19:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it does
[19:54] <apachelogger> also it pretty much always falls over when a static lib is linked against libc and libnss IIRC
[19:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what does it?
[19:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: at least after one run KDE runs better on my laptops
[19:54] <apachelogger> proof, as in actual proof
[19:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oi
[19:55] <apachelogger> no perceived mumbo jumbo
[19:55] <Quintasan> no idea how to get you proof
[19:55] <Quintasan> quassel starts in 2 seconds, not in 7
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: how to test?
[19:55] <apachelogger> profil0ring
[19:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: just install it lol
[19:55] <Quintasan> and configure magic in /etc/default/prelink
[19:55] <shadeslayer> thats it?
[19:56] <shadeslayer> installing
[19:56] <shadeslayer> on my over crapped out root
[19:56] <shadeslayer> /dev/sda5              46G   34G  9.8G  78% /
[19:56] <Quintasan> expand it then
[19:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is your stuckyness?
[19:56] <Quintasan> and it's like 700kb lol
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i need to redraw a QToolButton on the flu
[19:56] <shadeslayer> *fly
[19:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you haz telepathy KDE?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  http://i.imgur.com/y0O4O.png  and http://i.imgur.com/o6ekV.png << Once you click on advanced statuses, you get the old menu back, but i can't figure out how
[19:58] <apachelogger> no
[19:58] <shadeslayer> ( how to get the old status menu back by redrawing it )
[19:58] <apachelogger> I do not has no brokenware
[19:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:58] <apachelogger> only tpware
[19:58] <apachelogger> qml2 ftwins
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[19:58] <shadeslayer> you mean pr0nware
[19:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just remove one menu and add another
[19:59] <apachelogger> in qml2 this would be super easy...
[19:59] <apachelogger> lo DarkwingDuck
[19:59] <shadeslayer> uhmmm
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> without changing the order of the buttons
[19:59] <apachelogger> RTFM
[19:59]  * apachelogger honestly does not know\\
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ...
[19:59] <apachelogger> I only have used QMenu like two times in my entire life or something
[19:59] <apachelogger> menus are the shitz out of shitz
[20:19]  * JontheEchidna will be off to the airport in an hour :)
[20:30] <bambee> who is the developer of kcmgrub2 ? (I don't remember his irc nick...)
[20:30] <superfly> how do I tell someone in canonical that perl-modules 5.10.1-17ubuntu4.1 is corrupt?
[20:30]  * superfly can't install anything because of that stupid package
[20:30] <bambee> superfly: ask on #ubuntu-devel
[20:31] <superfly> bambee: will do
[20:32] <bambee> or contact the developer who made the last bump via email. (aptitude changelog perl-modules)
[20:34] <superfly> bambee: thanks... wasn't sure how to go about this
[20:34] <bambee> yw :)
[20:42]  * apachelogger thinks ulysses needs to pick up apachelogger at the train station for he might get lost otherwise
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you gone yet?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> nein
[20:42] <apachelogger> oh noes
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when are you arriv0ring btw?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> will be in about 30 minutes, and I'll be in an out of chat
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> I'll be getting to the airport at....
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> 12:15
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> on sunday
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> so maybe I'll be at the hotel by 1300 or 1400?
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> bambee: Artimus_Fowl
[20:44] <bambee> JontheEchidna: thanks
[20:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, you are also arriving the early
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> the emaily said that they wanted us there by sunday night
[20:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should you run into ulysses, tell him he needs to pick me up around 1500 at keleti pályaudvar
[20:46] <apachelogger> public transport in budapest is madness right there
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:47] <apachelogger> well, I suppose metro 2 and switching to tram 4 or 6 ought to work... possibly
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> me getting their early is probably good
[20:47] <apachelogger> more time to get wasted before mark arrives? 
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> last time I missed the shuttle due to a volcano, and then ended up taking public transportation. The bus got a flat due to our insane bus driver, and I got off a bit too early and ended up hitch hiking for the last 2 miles
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> are all bus drivers insane in europe?
[20:49] <apachelogger> most of them
[20:50] <apachelogger> oh noes
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> trying to figure out flemmish bus stop names is not fun
[20:51] <apachelogger> I accidentially closed the firefox
[20:51] <apachelogger> mehs
[20:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: brussels?
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> it's partly why I got off too early last year
[20:52] <apachelogger> ah, the best thing is when someone tells you to go to a bus stop in french but eventually all the signs happen to be flemmish in that particular part :P
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> that said, knowing english, germand and french it is difficult to get lost in brussels
[20:52] <apachelogger> hence it only happend to me once, I think, I cannot particularly remember
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> bbl