[02:35] <j1mc> hey all - anyone around?
[02:35] <shaunm> j1mc: here!
[02:36] <j1mc> hey shaunm
[02:36]  * shaunm raises his hand
[02:36] <j1mc> how's it going?
[02:36] <shaunm> oh, ok
[02:36] <j1mc> did you get an email from a guy with pronovix today?
[02:36] <shaunm> no. should I have?
[02:36] <j1mc> i think i'm spelling that right
[02:37] <j1mc> he sent a message to the syllogist email
[02:37] <j1mc> his first name is kristof
[02:39] <shaunm> oh, yes
[02:39] <shaunm> sorry, the domain didn't ring a bell
[02:39] <shaunm> I replied to him
[02:39] <j1mc> he might go to the open help conference. i guess there is another conference in the netherlands that he might go to, too, though. they are close together
[02:39] <shaunm> I hope he comes. I'm really interested. I fear the small size might make it not worth his while though
[02:39] <j1mc> he's doing the dita drupal stuff
[02:40] <j1mc> i spoke with him for a bit today. he and some folks from his group are going to go to UDS
[02:40] <j1mc> he is checking out mallard, too
[02:40] <Rocket2DMn> good evening gents
[02:40] <j1mc> hi Rocket2DMn
[02:40] <shaunm> man, if I had a bajillion dollars, I could throw something as grand as UDS
[02:41] <j1mc> i know you would, shaunm. you just need to make a ton of money off of syllogist, sell the company, go into space...
[02:41] <j1mc> the rest will sort itself out
[02:42] <Rocket2DMn> what were those translation template import emails we got today?  i've never seen those before
[02:42] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: good question. i don't know.
[02:42] <j1mc> should send a note to david / the docs ML
[02:43] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i guess.  i saw matthew update the pot files for maverick, so i guess he's planning on pushing a SRU, but these templates were for lucid
[02:43] <j1mc> shaunm: he seems like a cool guy, though. and the stuff they are working on seems cool, too.
[02:43] <j1mc> they hope to have a demo version... something easily installable by next week.
[02:44] <Rocket2DMn> maybe tat was the initial import of translations framework
[02:44] <j1mc> it's kind of rough at this point, but... it something at a stage where they can get feedback.
[02:44] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: likely
[02:46] <Rocket2DMn> not sure why it was started with lucid though
[02:46] <j1mc> me neither
[02:48] <pleia2> j1mc: congrats on sponsorship :)
[02:49] <j1mc> pleia2: thanks. :)
[02:49] <Rocket2DMn> i should go to a UDS sometime
[02:49] <Rocket2DMn> just means i have to take the time off work
[04:54] <Captainkrtek> hello
[05:11] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, any docs we need to focus on?
[05:11] <Captainkrtek> re-branching after your commit
[05:12] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: I don't have anything on my action list for 11.04 (except looking at the printer stuff you submitted)
[05:12] <Captainkrtek> k
[05:12] <Captainkrtek> Ill check_status
[05:12] <Captainkrtek> see if anything has been forgotten
[05:13] <jbicha> I think 11.04's mostly good but you're welcome to check if there's any issues
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> k
[05:13] <jbicha> I'm going to ask if we should get an oneiric branch started
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> time to work on ubuntu-manual, any other projects need work? never got a reply from Phil Bull RE: Evolution Docs
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> err
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> I dont know why I said evolution, thunderbird haha
[05:14] <jbicha> Thunderbird, really?
[05:14] <Captainkrtek> err
[05:14] <Captainkrtek> what was it
[05:14] <Captainkrtek> something like that
[05:14] <jbicha> I think you mean evolution
[05:14] <Captainkrtek> hmm yeah
[05:16] <jbicha> yeah thunderbird like firefox uses their own website for help
[05:16] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[05:16] <Captainkrtek> yeah evolution I think
[05:17] <jbicha> Phil does a lot with docs, maybe he's just been busy, give him a few days
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> sure
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> any other projects you can think of in the meantime?
[05:17] <jbicha> and you don't have to have commit access to help, you can start with submitting patches
[05:18] <jbicha> what Gnome apps do you use? Check their help menu, it's easiest & more profitable to contribute to stuff you use
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> was looking at evince
[05:18] <jbicha> then find some gnome docs guy to help mentor you
[05:19] <Captainkrtek> but they seem set..
[05:19] <jbicha> evince has docs in 3.0
[05:19] <Captainkrtek> what about LibreOffice?
[05:19] <jbicha> LO isn't Gnome so they use a different help system entirely
[05:20] <jbicha> you'll welcome to contact their docs team if you like though
[05:20] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[05:20] <jbicha> if you want to help Gnome, you'll probably need to have Gnome 3 installed, which may mean not Ubuntu for now
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> I dont use many gnome apps at the moment
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> I really only use VLC, Chrome, xchat, and eclipse haha
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> and gedit
[05:21] <jbicha> well Mallard is basically just Gnome, so helping out other projects would be different
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[05:22] <jbicha> but the Ubuntu Docs team is more than just Gnome docs so helping out whoever is good
[05:22] <jbicha> it's just that Gnome is doing a complete rewrite of their help so I think they're more needy now
[05:23] <jbicha> of course we can't help everyone so pick what interests you
[05:23] <Captainkrtek> gotcha...
[05:23] <Captainkrtek> Ubuntu Manual is good as well
[05:23] <Captainkrtek> already done a teeny bit of work with them
[05:24] <jbicha> except that they're very behind, by the time their Maverick manual is released few are thinking about Maverick
[05:24] <jbicha> their Natty work should transfer to Oneiric better though
[05:24] <Captainkrtek> yeah true
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> isnt a oneiric beta out now
[05:25] <jbicha> oh no, it's only very early alpha
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> is it using unity?
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> oh also LOL: "i've been having problems accessing hotmail the last couple of days myself.
[05:25] <Captainkrtek> i suspect they're having a DoS attack or the part of the net leading to hotmail is down for some reason."
[05:26] <Captainkrtek> reading the Ubuntu Answers page
[05:26] <jbicha> yes of course, the CD will have Unity & Unity 2D
[05:26] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[05:26] <jbicha> Gnome Shell & Gnome Panel 3 will be in the repos for those who want them
[05:26] <Captainkrtek> cool
[05:26] <Captainkrtek> i use gnome
[05:27] <jbicha> I was trying to build gnome panel 3 today but I had a build failure
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> haven't tried it yet
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> also found an issue with "Ubuntu Classic"
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> when you use a dark background you can't read the black text at the top like "Applications" etc.
[05:27] <jbicha> it's like an evolved gnome panel so it looks a little more like Gnome Shell
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> is there a way to change opacity or color?
[05:27] <jbicha> but the indicators don't work with it yet
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[05:28] <jbicha> switch to the ubuntu-mono-light theme
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[05:28] <jbicha> or maybe that's not it
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> there we go
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> switched it to "dust"
[05:29] <Captainkrtek> or radiance is nice
[05:29] <jbicha> ok, good because development has stopped on g-p 2.32
[05:30] <Captainkrtek> hmm found something interesting
[05:30] <Captainkrtek> after changing themes not all of the top bar changes
[05:31] <Captainkrtek> http://i.imgur.com/IkJRD.png
[05:37] <jbicha> yeah it needs some kind of refresh
[05:37] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[05:37] <jbicha> try unity --reset maybe
[05:37] <Captainkrtek> using gnome
[05:37] <jbicha> oh, not unity
[05:37] <jbicha> killall gnome-panel
[05:38] <Captainkrtek> lol
[05:38] <Captainkrtek> that just messed up everything
[05:38] <jbicha> but gnome-panel should auto-restart
[05:41] <Captainkrtek> hmm
[05:41] <Captainkrtek> it didn't refresh
[05:41] <Captainkrtek> just rebooted
[05:42] <jbicha> is it still not working?
[05:42] <Captainkrtek> yeah no work
[05:42] <Captainkrtek> just rebooted
[05:42] <Captainkrtek> didn't fix itself
[05:43] <jbicha> maybe it's the transparent background thing you're using
[05:43] <jbicha> turn that off in gnome-panel
[05:43] <jbicha> maybe it's my oneiric install that is preventing my compiling from working
[05:43] <jbicha> let me try on natty
[05:44] <jbicha> very few are actually running oneiric now
[05:44] <jbicha> devs might use an sbuild thingy for building oneiric packages
[06:00] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, how do I get on the committers ? just keep building up my launchpad karma?
[06:00] <jbicha> I don't think anyone cares about karma
[06:00] <Captainkrtek> oh hahah
[06:01] <jbicha> nah, the way you get commit access is to submit a bunch of useful patches that don't need much improvement
[06:01] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[06:11] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, the device-drivers page is still marked as review
[06:12] <jbicha> right, I forgot to update that
[06:12] <jbicha> some pages need work, but I think they're good enough to be 11.04 final
[06:15] <Captainkrtek> cool
[18:38] <jwatke4651> hey all
[18:39] <mdke> hi jwatke4651
[18:40] <jwatke4651> how's it going mdke
[18:40] <mdke> okay
[18:43] <jwatke4651> anything new going on
[18:49] <mdke> no
[19:34] <Captainkrtek> mornin
[19:44] <mdke> hey Rocket2DMn, Captainkrtek
[19:44] <Rocket2DMn> good afternoon mdke
[19:44] <Captainkrtek> hey mdke :D
[19:44] <Captainkrtek> good afternoon/morning
[19:44] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, sorry I didn't merge request, launchpad died on me
[19:45] <Rocket2DMn> no worries Captainkrtek , i was occupied for a few days, i think jbicha took care of it
[19:45] <Captainkrtek> yeah he did
[19:46] <Rocket2DMn> we did get merge request emails but when i tried to view them LP couldnt find the page or something weird
[19:46] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[19:46] <Captainkrtek> LP was acting up
[19:46] <Captainkrtek> kept timing out on me
[19:48] <Captainkrtek> mdke or jbicha think you could commit the printing pages I finished if you get the time?
[19:49] <mdke> Captainkrtek: have they been reviewed already by someone?
[19:50] <Captainkrtek> mdke, not yet
[19:50] <Captainkrtek> but I confirmed them on a pc with a printer
[19:50] <Captainkrtek> let me find the commit I made to my branch
[19:50] <Captainkrtek> mdke, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1567
[19:53] <mdke> Captainkrtek: that doesn't seem to merge cleanly with our current natty branch
[19:53] <Captainkrtek> oh
[19:53] <Captainkrtek> what's wrong
[19:54] <mdke> Captainkrtek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/604558/
[19:54] <Captainkrtek> hmmm
[19:54] <mdke> you might want to use a separate branch for each piece of work that you do rather than pushing everything to the same branch
[19:54] <mdke> it's easier for your branch to get out of sync that way
[19:55] <Captainkrtek> okay
[19:56] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, how would you like to handle discussions during out bug review? Do you want to just discuss them here, or would you prefer to have them on the ML?
[19:57] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: normally on the bug itself I would have thought?
[19:57] <Rocket2DMn> we could, it would generate a lot of mail though
[19:58] <mdke> that rules the ML out too then
[19:58] <mdke> but I think that irc would be difficult as people aren't around at the same time
[19:58] <Rocket2DMn> yeah that's what i was worred about, most of the "Review" would just be looking at a bug and deciding what we are going to do with it, most would take just a minute
[19:58] <mdke> do you anticipate a lot of discussion being required?
[19:58] <Rocket2DMn> no, not really
[19:59] <Rocket2DMn> I'd like to know if we want to use the new "Opinion" status for any bugs
[19:59] <Rocket2DMn> we have a number of bugs that have been sitting around forever that i dont think we need to track as Wishlist, e.g. bug 47504
[19:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 47504 in ubuntu-docs "Gender conventions notice in documents" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47504
[20:00] <Rocket2DMn> no a big fan of the term "opinion" though
[20:01] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I think we should apply the same rules the bug squad uses
[20:01] <Rocket2DMn> agreed, there is some gray area though
[20:01] <Rocket2DMn> also the Opinion status was meant as a trial but has been around for awhile now, but i havent seen an update on their page that discusses statuses
[20:01] <mdke> yeah, I guess so
[20:02] <mdke> I think we can just go ahead and do our best. Agreed re "Wishlist"
[20:02] <Rocket2DMn> sounds good
[20:03] <Rocket2DMn> we may save some time by just asking if there are any serverguide bugs that we know we want to SRU.  After compiling a list (if any), we can move them all under the serverguide project and close the rest under ubuntu-docs that we won't SRU
[20:04] <Rocket2DMn> it looks like about 40% of our bugs not in any kind of fixed state are serverguide bugs
[20:05] <mdke> that makes sense. For my part I'm happy for whatever core-doc member is looking at the bug to take that decision
[20:07] <Rocket2DMn> i have mixed feelings about doing SRUs for most of our bugs.  It's easy to do them and they don't cause stability issues in the package itself like code changes do, and i think documentation should be as accurate as possible.  However, it is extra work and occassionally breaks translations
[20:07] <Rocket2DMn> i've been fixing a fair number of bugs in stable branches recently, but most have been for non-string changes
[20:08] <mdke> I know what you mean
[20:08] <mdke> I'm hoping that moving translations to the upstream project will make it easier to do SRUs
[20:08] <Rocket2DMn> i dont think we've done a lot of SRUs for serverguide bugs in the past
[20:08] <mdke> but I still think they should be limited to significant issues
[20:09] <Rocket2DMn> agreed
[20:10] <mdke> only 1800 files still to be imported :)
[20:10] <Rocket2DMn> We could just move all serverguide bugs to the serverguide package and close them under ubuntu-docs (with the exception of any obvious SRUs needed).  We can always re-open them if we do decide to do a SRU
[20:11] <mdke> yes, that's true. Although I suspect during the moving process is a good time to think about the issue
[20:11] <mdke> otherwise we've got to go through them a second time
[20:12] <mdke> perhaps move them and close them, and keep open any that "jump out" for an SRU
[20:13] <mdke> although maybe we can encourage the server team to look through them once they are moved
[20:14] <mdke> afk for a while
[20:14] <Rocket2DMn> alright, same here, i'll bbiab
[20:15] <Rocket2DMn> thanks mdke
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> back
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i'm gonna start making my way through the serverguide bugs
[21:36] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: awesome, thanks
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, just moved three or so, want to have a look? see bug 355400
[21:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355400 in serverguide "OpenLDAP doc page is horrible" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355400
[21:38] <mdke> looks good to me
[21:38] <Rocket2DMn> cool, just starting with the oldest bugs and moving forward
[21:38] <Rocket2DMn> could take a little bit
[21:38]  * mdke is trying to figure out bug 690248
[21:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690248 in ubuntu-docs "In Maverick 'About Ubuntu' displays Natty info" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690248
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> ah yeah that one, i think people must just have grabbed that bad version from -proposed without knowing it (not sure how it got there to begin with)
[21:39] <mdke> the ubuntu-docs package looks fine
[21:39] <Rocket2DMn> are we going to be pushing a maverick SRU soon? I saw you updated the pot files, was that just for the LP import?
[21:39] <mdke> the problem is in the langpacks somewhere but I don't know enough about how they work
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm, unfortunately idk much about how ubuntu handles langpacks and translations
[21:41] <Captainkrtek> hey guys
[21:42] <mdke> basically, the problem is that some people outside the docteam did some stupid uploads of ubuntu-docs in maverick *growls*
[21:42] <mdke> and totally ignored that string changes cause problems with translations
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> who would upload a package they arent the maintainers of?
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> its a rhetorical question, i dont really care who it actually was
[21:44] <mdke> well, Ubuntu doesn't really have a formal concept of maintainers - anyone can fix a bug
[21:44] <mdke> and then ask for sponsorship
[21:45] <mdke> still, it's a total mess
[21:45] <mdke> we can fix it though
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> would the problem go away if we pushed our own SRU of ubuntu-docs?
[21:45] <mdke> that's what I'm trying to find out
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> ok, i dont think there are any changes waiting to happen in the maverick branch, its probably a good time to do a SRU anyway
[21:46] <mdke> but I'm pretty sure that the combination of our own SRU, and then a later langpack update, will fix it
[21:46] <mdke> on your question re pot files, I was updating them in the hope that we can now use the upstream project for translation - in advance of the SRU
[21:47] <mdke> so new strings can be translated there and then we can do the SRU
[21:47] <Rocket2DMn> that sounds good to me, how long do you want to keep the translations open before doing the SRU?
[21:48] <mdke> depends how many new strings there are
[21:49] <mdke> by the way, changing entities counts as string changes
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, i would think so since it just injects the variable into the line
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> the XML processing is handled before the translation exports right?
[21:50] <Rocket2DMn> the same reason we have bug 460365
[21:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 460365 in ubuntu-docs "Create a separate license document and include it in all documents" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460365
[21:50] <mdke> exactly
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> whew, this is an exhausting process
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> i think i'm about 1/2 done
[22:18] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, whatcha working on?
[22:19] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, moving serverguide bugs out of ubuntu-docs to the new serverguide project
[22:20] <Captainkrtek> eek
[22:21] <Captainkrtek> Im setting up an Ubuntu Mirror :)
[22:22] <Rocket2DMn> nice
[22:22] <Rocket2DMn> mirroring the repos?
[22:23] <Captainkrtek> releases
[22:23] <Captainkrtek> the cd images
[22:23] <Rocket2DMn> ah, cool
[22:30] <mdke> loving your work Rocket2DMn
[22:32] <Rocket2DMn> thanks mdke , wouldnt be so bad if FF wasnt being slow
[22:33] <Rocket2DMn> my FF is leaking memory like crazy since I switched to Natty
[22:33] <Rocket2DMn> just upgraded my RAM today from 2 to 4 GB, so at least i'm not swapping
[22:35] <mdke> beats 2GB running Ubuntu off a live usb :)
[22:36] <Rocket2DMn> hehe, i can imagine
[22:37] <Captainkrtek> http://i.imgur.com/rrdVa.png
[22:37] <Captainkrtek> :D
[22:37] <Captainkrtek> mirroring ubuntu
[23:10] <jbicha> Rocket2DMn: yeah my FF4 is having difficulty keeping up too and I have 4GB so it shouldn't be an issue
[23:10] <Captainkrtek> http://rootzwiki.com/ubuntu/
[23:10] <Captainkrtek> new mirror up :D
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> jbicha, sometihng is leaking in it, i've heard some others complain as well
[23:10] <jbicha> I think Compiz adds to the trouble
[23:10] <Rocket2DMn> it could be plugins, but i'm not really sure
[23:11] <jbicha> sometimes dynamic things like that new-fangled appmenu can eat up memory
[23:11] <jbicha> maybe try disabling it in Firefox
[23:12] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[23:12] <Rocket2DMn> jbicha, i havent had much time to look into the memory issues, i juist upgraded to 4GB today though, so at least i'm not swapping to disk
[23:15] <jbicha> hmm, my profile is 115 MB, I wonder if that's large
[23:16] <jbicha> *Firefox profile
[23:16] <Rocket2DMn> hoory i'm finished!
[23:17] <Rocket2DMn> geez that took almost 2 hrs
[23:17] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, http://i.imgur.com/mxvXM.png hehe
[23:18] <Captainkrtek> at 22gigs now
[23:18] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: official CD mirror?
[23:18] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, yup
[23:18] <Captainkrtek> http://rootzwiki.com/ubuntu/
[23:18] <jbicha> what are you using for that bandwidth meter?
[23:19] <Captainkrtek> iftop
[23:22] <jbicha> hmm, that shows unexpected stuff on my webserver
[23:22] <Captainkrtek> ?
[23:23] <jbicha> it looks like I can see traffic for other sites on my shared host
[23:23] <Captainkrtek> oh weird
[23:23] <Captainkrtek> haha
[23:23] <Captainkrtek> Im on a dedicated box
[23:23] <jbicha> which I don't think should be happening
[23:24] <Captainkrtek> yeah...
[23:24] <Captainkrtek> I think thats your DC's issue
[23:24] <Captainkrtek> I ran it on a shared box before, no issues