[00:00] heh [00:00] It runs Ubuntu apprently [00:01] i want to know how you plug in a keyboard when it clearly has a type-A plug [00:02] even so [00:02] arm, usb, hdmi [00:02] sounds like what i've been looking for for quite some time [00:03] i wonder how much proprietary drivers you need to get the HDMI to work [00:06] TheOpenSourcerer: apparently it runs ubuntu 9.04 with iceweasle [00:06] which is a bit odd [00:07] interesting ... [00:07] ali1234: the white rectangles, thats what I have! [00:08] also perfect on youtube, but bad everywhere else. Also youtube uploads are alot slower on ubuntu than on windows with the same video file [00:10] actually [00:10] i think it might be happening when a page has more than one flash element in it [00:11] damian: what graphics card do you have and are you using 11.04? [00:11] Gosh. There's wet stuff falling from the sky. WTF is that? [00:11] 11.04 and nvidia geforce 210 [00:12] bug 743951 [00:12] Launchpad bug 743951 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "part of (flash or moving gif) windows will see on white in other windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743951 [00:12] sounds like our bug [00:13] Yes! [00:14] seems to work better in Chrome although Chrome has the space bar issue [00:15] bug 755698 also [00:15] Launchpad bug 755698 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "I'm having graphical problems using the flash plugin in natty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755698 [00:15] chrome has it's own different built in flash plugin [00:15] ok [00:15] bug 761074 [00:15] Launchpad bug 761074 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flashplugin-nonfree draws white rectangles" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761074 [00:16] that one has a video [00:16] identical to what i see [00:17] Yes, thats what I get also [00:18] bug 776839 [00:18] Launchpad bug 776839 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "Flash Player with rendering problems on Firefox 4 in Ubuntu 64 bits" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776839 [00:18] gee, someone should start marking duplicates :) [00:19] 755698 seems to indicate its adobe's problem [00:19] yeah [00:19] it probably is [00:20] well we shall sit tight and await a update soon :) [00:20] I'm off to bed. Night all ! and thanks ali1234 feels better not to be the only one! [01:03] I'm tempted to fork QtSixA and see if I can fix it... [01:07] branch* even [01:08] what you doing? [01:11] shauno: sixad doesn't function as a proper daemon [03:27] nn [04:08] bah, can't be bothered with this tonight... might try and do some pixel art instead [04:09] actually... my sister made a good point earlier, wonder how hard it would be to use my scanner over the network (its an all-in-one printer) [04:41] ugh. this is no sane time to wake up [04:48] shauno: ^_^ [04:48] shauno: dude, you messed with "sane" as a package before? [04:48] for some reason same seems to want to install gimp :S [04:48] sane** [05:00] nope. I'm not compatible with paper :) [05:02] it looks like it doesn't want gimp, just libgimp? [05:04] nope, it wants the whole thing it seems T_T [05:05] fun [05:05] odd thing however, is that it scans file without installing by issuing the command: "sudo scanimage >/home/user/image.pnm" [05:06] fine* not file xD [05:06] shauno: have a look, I just cp'd it to my tmp folder http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/tmp/image.pnm [05:06] also, its not printing in colour, its just black and white for some reason :S [05:07] I don't see a lot on that scan; intentional? [05:07] although I find it odd that a scanner would work on -server without having to do anything :S [05:07] why wouldn't server want scanners? [05:07] shauno: it's a colour swatch lol, you'll noticed it has dotted lines between where the colours are meant to be [05:08] I don't know, just seems odd for a server really [05:08] (well except home servers) [05:09] seems like a sensible addition to print servers :) [05:09] I guess [05:09] now to just work out how to get this shared properly ... [05:10] (less common now that printers are adding themselves onto the network, but printer servers have been a staple of so/ho for a long time) [05:10] true [05:11] ours is disgusting at work. it deposits the scans into a lotus db. I prefer to pretend lotus doesn't exist :/ [05:12] holy cow people still use lotus o.O [05:13] (last time I used lotus was back in win 3.1 days) [05:13] yarp :( [05:14] lotus notes seems pretty entrenched. the rest of smartsuite pretty much died tho [05:15] heh typical [05:19] shauno: bah, this is a bit much isn't it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/604315/ [05:20] hah [05:20] shauno: see what I mean :S [05:21] also, seems I need it even though I can scan if I want to set this up as a scan server [05:21] I'd look to see if sane-utils has what you need [05:21] "This package includes the command line frontend scanimage, the saned server and the sane-find-scanner utility, along with their documentation." [05:22] I'd assume you just want saned & libsane, rather than the frontends package [05:25] bah, going to reboot and see what happens [05:25] well yeah exactly :) [05:25] might try that after it boots back up [05:26] or cheat and use tasksel to just pick the print-server task [05:26] (tasksel --test install print-server, and again without --test if it looks sensible) [05:28] anyhow, gotta head to work. stay sane inside insanity :) [05:31] bah, well reading this was useless: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo [05:32] Feels wrong being this light out. Usually light=late [05:45] heh know the feeling :P [05:46] shauno: apparently sane-utils is already installed it seems [05:46] however I don't have a "scanner" group though, which I find odd [05:46] So figure out how saned works :) [05:46] lol this is what I'm trying to do ^_^ [06:05] o.o [06:08] ಠ_ಠ [06:08] scanners suck :/ [06:10] HazRPG: Oh? I plugged mine in and simple-scan picked it up and worked immediately [06:10] MartijnVdS: nah on my server :P [06:10] "sudo scanimage -L" picks up my scanner just fine... and can use said command to scan [06:11] however I can't get saned to do the same :S [06:11] (user called: saned) [06:15] this sounds like permissions rather than a sane issue? [06:20] well it is, but I can't work it out [06:21] I've tried putting saned into group: lp, saned, scanner (had to create this group) [06:21] and no joys [06:21] have you figured out what it's using in /dev ? [06:23] nope [06:24] everything is either root, tty, dialout, disk, cdrom [06:26] HazRPG: check with ACLs [06:27] HazRPG: install the "acl" package, then "getfacl" on the device [06:28] (for example, check /dev/snd/* on your desktop -- they're root:audio but have the current desktop user added by ACL) [06:28] (can of worms, anyone?) [06:29] how do I even work out which one of these is my scanner (looks a massive list of /dev) [06:29] its obv one of the usb ones though - that much I know [06:30] HazRPG: Check with scanimage what the device name is [06:31] HazRPG: mine says: device `plustek:libusb:002:003' is a Canon CanoScan LiDE25 flatbed scanner [06:31] HazRPG: so I check /dev/bus/usb/002/003 [06:31] HazRPG: and it's root:root, with me added by ACL [06:31] HazRPG: probably done by consolekit + udev working together [06:32] I get "root:root" essentially [06:32] and that's it [06:32] getfacl doesn't show anything else? [06:32] HazRPG: I think you might need a custom udev rule to make it owned by user saned ? [06:33] HazRPG: check /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules for examples, then create your own in /etc/udev/rules.d [06:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/604330/ [06:33] (never edit in /lib or it be overwritten on upgrade) [06:33] HazRPG: that means "there's no ACL here" [06:35] well my printer is already in /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules [06:36] HazRPG: it's an integrated printer/scanner combination? [06:36] yup [06:36] y u no buy networked device? :) [06:36] EPSON DX5050 [06:36] I no buy this one, mum bought me it as a moving-in present about 2-3 years ago [06:37] HazRPG: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo#Permission issues ? [06:37] I followed that earlier lol [06:37] hmmm [06:37] I had to create scanner [06:38] HazRPG: if you su -s /bin/bash -u saned - [06:38] even added saned to lp [06:38] HazRPG: does sane-find-scanner work? :) [06:39] yup that works [06:40] HazRPG: and scanimage -L ? [06:40] however scanimage -L still shows up as being "No scanners were identified..." [06:41] HazRPG: what happens if you scanimage -d [06:41] HazRPG: it should tell you what the problem is [06:41] oh maybe stop saned first (it might be hogging the device) [06:43] scanimage: open of device epson2:libusb:001:002 failed: Access to resource has been denied [06:44] At least it's a start :) [06:44] what does "id" say? [06:44] uid=105(saned) gid=113(saned) groups=7(lp),113(saned),116(admin) [06:44] like I said, I shoved it into several places to see what would happen [06:45] and ls -l /dev/bus /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb/001 /dev/bus/usb/001/002 [06:45] although 116 should say scanner not admin [06:45] which might be the problem [06:45] HazRPG: you manually added that to passwd/group then? [06:45] hold on [06:45] adduser username groupname \o/ [06:46] yeah, that didn't work cos scanner didn't actually exist and was too lazy to remember the command to create it - so created it manually in /etc/group lol [06:46] just changed it to 117 [06:46] hang on [06:46] don't do that.. use adduser/addgroup [06:46] maybe --system [06:46] uid=105(saned) gid=113(saned) groups=7(lp),113(saned),117(scanner) [06:46] \o/ [06:46] ok.. now try scanimage -L [06:47] I did, and nothing :'( [06:47] (10.04 server btw) [06:47] HazRPG:can you pastebin the ls -l /dev/bus /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/usb/001 /dev/bus/usb/001/002 [06:47] HazRPG: the output of* [06:48] (done as root) [06:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/604334/ [06:49] HazRPG: the device is root:root, not root"scanner [06:49] so your udev rule doesn't work, or it wasn't triggered [06:49] Hmm [06:49] (your printer rule probably works for /dev/lp*?) [06:50] I don't have a /dev/lp* anything [06:51] HazRPG: Whichever device is your printer :) [06:51] well in rules: /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules [06:51] I have [06:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/604335/ [06:51] which is my scanner [06:52] HazRPG: run "udevadm monitor", then unplug + back in [06:52] just did lsusb and checked the codes, and they do match [06:53] wow that did a lot of things >_< [06:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/604336/ [06:54] its got a built-in card reader too btw [06:54] (just looking at the output) [06:54] that's the scsi bit :) [06:54] lol yeah I know ^_^ [06:54] and you have an "usb/lp0" that's the printer part [06:55] uhoh .. found out I'm getting feedback on my job application this morning. this could be interesting. [06:55] indeed [06:55] shauno: good luck [06:56] HazRPG: you need to make sure the udev rule ran [06:56] HazRPG: try finding a udev-rules debug guide :) [06:56] HazRPG: or double-check the device file now -- it might have been confused by the broken "scanner" group you had before [06:57] (device might have changed after unplug -- re-check its location with scanimage -L) [06:57] nope saned still can't see it [06:59] HazRPG: what if you manually chgrp scanner the device? [06:59] should I make my own /etc/udev/rules.d ? [07:00] HazRPG: not yet, first check if this is really the problem [07:00] HazRPG: if you manually chgrp it, and saned works, create the /etc/udev/rules.d/99hazmaster.rules to fix it :) [07:00] HazRPG: also, file a bug about it [07:01] chgrp what? [07:01] HazRPG: /dev/bus/usb/whatever/it/is/now [07:02] so: chgrp scanner /dev/bus/usb/001/003 [07:02] if that's where it is now, yes [07:02] (as I said, it might have moved when you unplugged and replugged) [07:03] lol yeah that is what lsusb said [07:03] 001/003 [07:03] bah, okay now saned can see it woo \o/ [07:04] although I figured that would work [07:04] now to make a rule I guess... [07:05] do I literally just put: ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="082b", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" [07:05] and does the file have to start with 99 [07:06] no, it does have to start with 2 digits though, and be >30 [07:06] >40 [07:06] (after libsane) [07:06] ah [07:07] Lots of "udev rules" HOWTOs on the webs [07:07] * MartijnVdS off doing some much-needed vacuuming [07:08] time for my first coffee of the day me thinks [07:12] after a week off work, I'm not sure what I should do first. minecraft or movies :) [07:12] shauno: Minecraft movies? [07:12] even bettererer. james bond movies :) [07:16] ^_^ [07:17] MartijnVdS: heh, this is ironic, but does this look sane? (Its a copy of the original, however I've added ", GROUP="scanner" and seems to work (tried unplugging it and plugging it back in) [07:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/604343/ [07:18] HazRPG: good find, file a bug :) [07:18] I wasn't sure if the start and end parts were needed - all I was sure about was line 6 which starts "ATTRS..." [07:19] MartijnVdS: ^_^ [07:19] MartijnVdS: Was skimming through the udev docs and just after it mentions stuff about KERNEL etc it said GROUP... and instantly took my interest lol [07:20] although not sure where to file this under [07:20] sane? [07:20] udev? [07:20] general 10.04 bug ? [07:20] looks like it'd be libsane [07:20] (one thing I hate about filing bugs... never knowing where to put it) [07:21] shauno: thanks :) [07:21] MartijnVdS: Also, much thanks for helping fault find :0 [07:21] HazRPG: Just file a bug on libsane (whichever package /lib/udev/rules.d/40libsane.rules is in) [07:21] :)* [07:21] HazRPG: that the "setfacl" at the bottom doesn't seem to work [07:22] MartijnVdS: indeed [07:54] morning all [07:54] how do I burn a .iso to a CD from the command line? [07:58] believe wodim is cdrecord's modern equivalent [07:59] AlanBell: I've got a script somewhere I made to do that [07:59] AlanBell: but yeah, shauno is right its wodim - I use: wodim dev=/dev/scd0 -v -data cd_image.iso [08:00] woot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/778896 [08:00] Ubuntu bug 778896 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "Epson DX-5050 setfacl not working properly for saned" [Undecided,New] [08:02] I swear I can never do enough on launchpad to keep any karma at all it seems [08:03] think I've wrote that bug report alright? [08:03] think that's the first proper bug report I've actually had to hunt for [08:03] (or rather hunt the package for even) [08:04] thanks HazRPG [08:05] AlanBell: no problem [08:05] HazRPG: file more bugs :P [08:05] MartijnVdS: I don't come across bugs very often :P [08:05] HazRPG: just wodim cd_image.iso works if you only have one burner [08:06] MartijnVdS: I have two ^_^ [08:06] I also use -v cos I like to see what's happening :P [08:08] the only reason I use wodim usually though, is for writing several data tracks though [08:08] Ponder.. http://www.bol.com/nl/p/elektronica/motorola-xoom-wifi/9005000011298863/index.html [08:08] MartijnVdS: shiny! Although I think "touchpads" are pointless though lol [08:09] MartijnVdS: I'll probably change my mind should I ever own one [08:09] HazRPG: I don't know if I want it :) [08:09] it's a lot of money for "maybe" [08:09] :P [08:10] bah [08:10] seems part two of my epic adventure isn't coming along as planned [08:10] HazRPG IN SPAAAACE ? [08:11] time to raid a supermarket. [08:11] does /etc/inetd.conf still exist in 10.04.2 :S [08:11] HazRPG: if you have inetd installed [08:12] HazRPG: Most people don't have it though.. just run the daemon :) [08:12] I just have [08:12] or install xinetd, or micro-inetd [08:12] ooo wait [08:12] I heard the scanner do something [08:12] rinetd rlinetd [08:12] woo \o/ [08:13] we has scanning capabilities xD;;; [08:13] *jumps around, while bouncing off the walls!* [08:14] (blue gel?) [08:14] MartijnVdS: might as well be xD [08:15] please say my sis left herself logged in *slides chair over to her PC* [08:15] is there a sane driver for windows? [08:15] ooo yay ;D [08:16] MartijnVdS: errr... *don't know* [08:16] MartijnVdS: There's no windows in the household no more, all got scrapped when I finally got ubuntu-server running [08:17] the only system actually before I did that, that still had windows was my PC... all the rest had been converted about a year ago [08:18] going to draw a picture to scan, so that I can scan it on my sister's machine and leave it running for when she's next on it to show I finally got the scanner going [08:25] Hello folks [08:26] Trying to get usb tethering with htc Desire working on 11.04. Connects but no Internet [08:27] Or any way to install php5-gd with no network? I have network on my phone, downloaded php5 - gd deb but depends on phpapi-20060613+lfs [08:28] Can't find a deb for that [08:30] MartijnVdS: apparently the windows version is only as a front-end to a unix-hosted server [08:30] shauno: makes sense really [08:30] its twain that windows uses iirc [08:31] or at least it did back when I had a parallel port scanner [08:31] I think it's WIA now [09:06] anyone used gnome 3 yet ? [09:10] dragonkeeper: brobostigon has, but he's not here atm [09:10] I tried it for an evening, but not much more than that; haven't sorted out my wireless drivers yet [09:11] when you click on a windows does the files edit view menus go to the top taskbar like unity does ? [09:11] nope [09:11] :) cool ill try it then [09:12] I found it interesting, and worth playing with; but! .. [09:12] but unity wont work again [09:13] there's no sane / supported downgrade path from the PPAs, so make sure you trust your backups [09:13] (eg, bring your own Plan B, because they don't have one) [09:14] ahh everything is stored on slave drives (incl saved config files and passwords so backups are not an issue [09:14] just checkin :) [09:17] I'm using gnome 3 and gnome-desktop here [09:18] have been for 3 weeks now [09:18] prefer it greatly to unity [09:18] the whole 'unity won't work again' thing, I viewed as a positive [09:19] i prefer no gui to unity lol [09:19] brobostigon said thats been fixed [09:19] I won't deny that myself. I just think if they're going to make potentially one-way changes, it's fair to make them aware of that first [09:19] I agree [09:19] people should be aware of the consequences of what they install via ppa [09:20] * dutchie wonders how much space he will need for a debian chroot [09:20] will i need to reboot after or just restart session ? [09:21] reboot [09:23] also once you are happy it is all working, you may wish to uninstall unity completely [09:23] yes i would atm i only use gnome classic [09:23] especially as it's the only way of effectively removing the unity scrollbars [09:23] Psychobudgie: uhrm. no. [09:24] MartijnVdS, uhrm. yes. [09:24] Psychobudgie: just removing the overlay-scrollbar + related packages worked for me [09:24] Psychobudgie: not all of unity [09:25] MartijnVdS, didn't here [09:25] MartijnVdS, others have had the same problem [09:25] is the unity scroll bars the orange strips that when highlighted brings a slide bar up ? [09:25] Psychobudgie: without liboverlay-scrollbar it can't draw those new-fangled scrollbars... [09:25] MartijnVdS, the only thing that worked was completely removing the unity package [09:25] just like it can't show global menus without appmenu-gtk [09:25] (remove package -> WIN!) [09:26] and appmenu-qt :) [09:26] popey: yes, and that. [09:26] popey: I heard mucking about in /etc/X11/Xsession.d works as well [09:26] MartijnVdS, I don't know why, but I can assure you that despite removing the scrollbar package in the beta working fine, in the final release it did not work [09:27] Psychobudgie: Well, it works for me :) [09:27] MartijnVdS, I had to remove the unity package to get it to go [09:28] splitting hairs anyway [09:28] it's awful no matter how you remove it [09:29] Psychobudgie: setting the LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 environment variable (in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ somewhere) should be enough [09:29] nuking the site from orbit should be sufficient [09:29] shauno: as always [09:30] MartijnVdS, again, that worked in the beta for me, but not with a clean install of the final release [09:30] shauno: that, or the "Alderaan method" [09:30] wonder how many distros have chosen to go with GNOME Shell [09:30] popey: Fedora. Aaand.. Fedora. [09:30] I wonder how many distros have simply decided it's too early to chose? [09:31] if I was $random_distro, right now I'd be maintaining the status quo whilst waiting for the dust to settle everywhere else. then emulate the survivors [09:31] http://vimeo.com/13797705 [09:31] wow [09:31] look at the size of the top of that gedit window [09:31] shauno: Why emulate if you can innovate? :) [09:31] thats a massive waste of space [09:32] eek [09:32] same with the nautilus window [09:32] you could fit 6-8 lines of text in that [09:32] MartijnVdS: when innovate means 'emulate osx badly'? :p [09:32] thats insane [09:32] popey: Next thing they'll implement a "Ribbon"-like interface [09:32] :) [09:32] it's gnome-desktop on a netbook [09:32] and become even more unusable [09:33] that doesnt look like a netbook resolution to me. [09:33] 1920x1200x10" 8-) [09:34] heh [09:34] * popey gets a microscope [09:34] popey, you are aware that you can actually turn that toolbar off ? [09:35] hmm everytime i sudo apt-get install gnome-shell it just gives me a window sayinbg system detected a problem do you want to report the problem now cancel or report options ... thought i got away from these error reports when i kicked windows to the curb [09:35] popey, like most things there's an option for that [09:35] I don't get it. window chrome + menubar + toolbar + tabbar has been pretty normal in most mdi for a while [09:35] shauno: sure, but the trend is to have less chrome [09:35] and less menubar [09:36] and less toolbar [09:36] shauno, yeah it has, but popey is using dapper [09:36] i am? [09:36] see [09:37] Dapper.. the first LTS to go out of support [09:37] I miss Dapper [09:37] Psychobudgie: get a vm :) [09:37] heh [09:38] dapper went out of support about 2 weeks after Ifound my disks for it. typical. [09:38] * popey digs out his warty cd [09:38] cds [09:39] shauno: It'll go out of support next month. [09:39] shauno: (server bits) [09:39] I had those, but they didn't make the move back to europe with me [09:39] popey: ah back when the Live CD and install CD were different :) [09:39] yeah [09:39] sniff [09:39] also, before proper hardware management [09:40] Unity was but a twinkle in satan's eye [09:40]