[00:03] <preecher> dunno where the proper place to say is but,-- i been using linux(gnome & xfce) since 2006 and it took unity to bring me to try kubuntu(kde) and lthough im still figurin out the tweaks--its KA in my book & dont know why i dint try it before
[00:03] <tertl3> preecher: welcome :)
[00:04] <tertl3> i recently switched to KDE as well
[00:04] <mole_> kde is the best
[00:04] <mole_> by far
[00:05] <tertl3> i personally use a spin-off of kubuntu but that is what got me into KDE
[00:05] <tertl3> KXstudio
[00:05] <preecher> im like "my gosh" and im running on a 5 yr old ibm thinkpaad and its just beyond description--i can pretty much configure everything
[00:06] <tertl3> KXstudio is basically a souped up Kubuntu Studio
[00:07] <preecher> maaybe i need to look at it---i loathe the enviroments that require lot of "fiddleing" just to get thingfs to work and it did take me several hours to get my internal mic working
[00:11] <preecher> tertl3 ive alwaays thought kde couldnt be config'd as much as gnome and was i ever WRONG--and to boot its in its default install pretty much killer as far as "candy from a stranger" goes
[00:36] <hellojones> hi, I connect with my server via lan using kubuntu and smb protocoll, I can see files and copy them over, but I cannot double click on a movie on the server and let vlc play it. Kubuntu will automatically download the movie, what am I missing?
[00:43] <James147> hellojones: try it with kaffeine or dragon player
[00:45] <hellojones> cannot find input plugin for mrl
[00:49] <hellojones> doesnt work with dragon nor vlc nor kaffeine
[01:21] <uabn93> I tried installing kubuntu 3 times and everytime I try logging in it just sends me back to the login screen. Why does this happen?
[01:28] <kavurt> what should i install for windows media player or winamp plugin?
[01:37] <subcool> can someone help me, or point me to a chanell that can help me with my x11vnc
[02:07] <areichman> kavurt: what are you trying to do?
[02:08] <kavurt> areichman: i want to listen to radio online. but firefox says: missing plugins
[02:08] <areichman> what site?
[02:11] <areichman> kavurt: what site?
[02:12] <kavurt> areichman: i'm trying to find the site. :)
[02:13] <areichman> ah, sorry :-)
[02:13] <areichman> did you install extra plugins from the prompt that comes up when you first try to play something?
[02:16] <aperson> I'm trying to figure out why my gtk apps have nice menus that blend in with the rest of the system, *except* dropbox
[02:17] <areichman> aperson: I've never used dropbox before but I had a similar problem with apps that were being run as a different user. Does it run as root or under a different user, like apache?
[02:17] <aperson> it runs as my user, I believe, areichman
[02:17] <aperson> I'll double check
[02:18] <aperson> yep, my user
[02:18] <aperson> it doesn't have its own gtkrc either
[02:24] <Daxar> Hi, I just bought a used iMac (G3, I think?) with a wiped hard drive and no external hardware (keyboard, power adaptor, or mouse). I plugged in the hardware from my old Windows computer, burned the Kubuntu ISO to a CD, and was preparing to install it, but the CD drive physically won't let me stick the CD in (The spring in there pushes it back out instantly). Any help?
[02:43] <subcool> hey, where can i get drivers for a dell laptop. N4020 - the webcam
[02:43] <subcool> nothing comes up online
[02:44] <subcool> im not too sure how to look for it other than just googleing the model
[03:29] <anarkannon> ?
[03:41] <aperson> is there a way suspend desktop effects via a command?
[03:42] <aperson> I know there's a keyboard shortcut
[03:49] <areichman> aperson: you're trying to write a bash script that will suspend desktop effects?
[03:50] <aperson> answered my own question: qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.toggleCompositing
[03:50] <areichman> cool
[03:50] <aperson> want to disable them before I start minecraft ;)
[04:48] <gennro> hi
[04:59] <varach> где я?
[05:01] <varach> What is this?
[05:01] <kevin__> that menas where i am
[05:02] <gennro> ?
[05:02] <kevin__> that means "where I am"
[05:10] <varach> :) Nevermind. Its my first experience with IRC chat & Im using Linux just for one week.
[05:11] <varach> And Im from Russia and my English is very poor
[05:11] <varach> :)
[05:12] <gennro> cool
[05:27] <nata> kubuntu 11.04 is absolutely slow
[05:29] <nata> mouse pointer like auto hide, vesa xorg become slow
[05:29] <gennro> runs great for me
[05:30] <nata> language transform become incomplete...mayb your driver is completely supported
[05:30] <gennro> But I would imagine running KDE on a vesa driver would be really slow
[05:32] <nata> now vesa driver is enough to support old computer to watch movie (incondition CPU speed must about 1.8)
[05:33] <nata> now i upgrade to 11.04...lazy to say...
[05:33] <gennro> i'm running 11.04
[05:33] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi.
[05:34] <nata> i know, of cause news software is stil ok
[05:34] <nata> Graf_Westerholt: fine, speak what u like
[05:36] <nata> dont know what happen in 11.04 cause my OS slow
[06:08] <mikefmail10> Good morning all
[06:08] <gennro> hi
[06:15] <mikefmail10> I have been using Ubuntu for quite a while (highly impressed by it) and I have just set up Quassel for my IRC. I like what I see of it.
[06:16] <gennro> thats what I am using
[06:17] <gennro> like it better then xchat
[06:17] <sethiroth> hello
[06:18] <gennro> hi
[06:18] <sethiroth> I am having trouble installing Adobe FLash
[06:18] <sethiroth> player
[06:18] <gennro> use firefox and install an addon called flash aid
[06:19] <gennro> installs the latest flash plugin and fixes
[06:19] <sethiroth> is there a way around it
[06:19] <sethiroth> for chromeium
[06:19] <gennro> flash aid only works in firefox but it will update the flash for the whole system
[06:19] <sethiroth> hmm ok
[06:20] <sethiroth> also i have this game called minecraft
[06:20] <sethiroth> It runs fine on Ubuntu but on Kubuntu its slow
[06:20] <sethiroth> and gittery
[06:21] <gennro> minecraft uses java
[06:21] <sethiroth> yes
[06:21] <sethiroth> i have installed java
[06:21] <sethiroth> but its laggy
[06:21] <sethiroth> would you happen to know why ?
[06:21] <gennro> no idea
[06:22] <sethiroth> Ok
[06:22] <sethiroth> I have installed flash aid and the problem still exists
[06:23] <gennro> did you open flash aid and hit execute?
[06:24] <sethiroth> I installed flash from the kpackagekit
[06:25] <sethiroth> i get what you mean in exstentions
[06:25] <sethiroth> :D
[06:25] <sethiroth> thx
[06:25] <gennro> work now?
[06:26] <sethiroth> but is it me or does kubuntu have alot of problems
[06:26] <sethiroth> yes it works
[06:26] <gennro> i'm using 11.04 and it works great
[06:26] <sethiroth> hmmmmmmmmm
[06:27] <sethiroth> well it must be me just being new to the KDE interface
[06:27] <sethiroth> Gnome3 doesnt appeal to me anymore
[06:28] <sethiroth> how do i  check my version
[06:28] <gennro> just hasn't had enough time for gnome 3 to mature
[06:28] <gennro> no idea
[06:29] <sethiroth> Anyway to isntall Sun java
[06:29] <sethiroth> not open java
[06:29] <sethiroth> its normally in the package manager but isnt for kubuntu
[06:29] <gennro> you prolly don't have the non-free repos enabled
[06:30] <sethiroth> where can i enable them
[06:30] <gennro> under settings in the package manager
[06:32] <sethiroth> what shall i check ?
[06:32] <gennro> restricted, multiverse, and universe should be all checked
[06:33] <MK```> Can I set KTorrent to not upload at all?... it seems to use 0 = unlimited
[06:36] <sethiroth> where is this restricted i dont see it
[06:37] <gennro> came enabled on 11.04 for me
[06:37] <gennro> so i don't think you are running 11.04
[06:37] <sethiroth> hmmm let me put my disk in
[06:38] <sethiroth> yep its 11.04
[06:38] <sethiroth> 64bit
[06:39] <gennro> hmmmm
[06:42] <sethiroth> any suggestions
[06:44] <Snowhog> sethiroth, are you saying that you don't see sun-java6-jre in KPackagekit?
[06:44] <sethiroth> yes
[06:44] <gennro> here is mine http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/gennro/snapshot1.png
[06:46] <sethiroth> i have more then you and there all ticked
[06:46] <sethiroth> still no sun
[06:46] <sethiroth> java
[06:47] <sethiroth> meh shall i try a reinstall
[06:47] <sethiroth> ?
[06:47] <BBQ> hello
[06:48] <sethiroth> Hey BBQ
[06:49] <sethiroth> also the ball widget is sooooooo fun
[06:50] <sethiroth> Why is all the Programs randomly called somthing with a k like kate
[06:50] <sethiroth> Lol that does not relate with notepad
[06:52] <BBQ655321> they all have to start with k
[06:52] <BBQ655321> just like apple stuff has to start with i
[06:52] <sethiroth> *Reinstalls K
[06:52] <sethiroth> lol
[06:52] <preecher> new to kubuntu---i dont see synaptic package manager anywhere is this normal & also is the kpackagekit what i use for updates
[06:52] <sethiroth> i is for information ??
[06:52] <sethiroth> right
[06:53] <sethiroth> kpackagekit is synaptic package manger just Kified
[06:53] <preecher> o ok thnks
[06:53] <preecher> is it also where i do my updates?
[06:53] <sethiroth> lol just before you freak out where the hell is my notepad
[06:53] <sethiroth> its called Kate
[06:53] <sethiroth> erm
[06:54] <sethiroth> When you get updates you will see them in the taskbar right hand side
[06:54] <sethiroth> its like a little Cog
[06:54] <sethiroth> sign
[06:54] <sethiroth> sooo yah
[06:54] <sethiroth> Kpackagekit
[06:55] <preecher> taking some getn used to but cant understnd why ive never tryed kde before its very nice from what ive seen so far
[06:55] <sethiroth> yah also
[06:55] <sethiroth> i guess the new GNome has pushed you away
[06:55] <sethiroth> xD
[06:56] <preecher> between the new gnome and unity yeah--went to xfce for a few but decided to take a spin on kde and i like it so im only using it now
[06:57] <sethiroth> i hope gnome realize that its not what we want
[06:57] <sethiroth> xD
[06:57] <sethiroth> its gone more tabletized
[06:58] <preecher> i hate the new gnome
[06:58] <sethiroth> i think most of us switching is
[06:58] <sethiroth> because of that
[06:58] <sethiroth> xD
[06:58] <preecher> oh you switched also
[06:59] <sethiroth> lol yah but kde is giving me some problems
[06:59] <sethiroth> but it seems only me
[06:59] <sethiroth> xD
[06:59] <sethiroth> hi keshl
[07:00] <preecher> yea mine gets freaky sometimes but getn better as time goes--had  time jus getn my mic set up
[07:00] <sethiroth> lol
[07:00] <sethiroth> Flash was 1 hour burnt
[07:00] <sethiroth> erm java burnt some time away
[07:00] <izinucs> sethiroth: you can install synaptic package manager. for what it's worth I like it better then kpackagekit.. more capability
[07:00] <sethiroth> and now my HDMI audio
[07:01] <sethiroth> i hope it comes defualt next update
[07:01] <sethiroth> lol
[07:02] <preecher> im on budget audio & video so im runnin somewhat smoothly
[07:02] <sethiroth> izinucs:thank you for telling me that
[07:03] <izinucs> np
[07:04] <sethiroth> izinucs how long you been using Kubuntu
[07:07] <izinucs> sethiroth: since 4 came out.. but use gnome 2.x and unity too
[07:07] <sethiroth> Nice
[07:08] <berxx> im using kubuntu since I upped to natty/unity.. not impressed w the desktop///so switched..
[07:08] <sethiroth> lol Unity and thingy pushed me away
[07:08] <berxx> izinucs, hiya
[07:08] <izinucs> sethiroth: yea.. I haven't decided on that yet.
[07:08] <berxx> sethiroth, and hi\
[07:09] <sethiroth> hi\ :P
[07:09] <sethiroth> ?
[07:09] <berxx> typo
[07:09] <sethiroth> i dont get it
[07:09] <berxx> I typed hi.. hit \ by accident
[07:09] <sethiroth> ??
[07:09] <sethiroth> oh
[07:09] <sethiroth> i thought it was a command
[07:10] <berxx> na
[07:10] <sethiroth> for irc
[07:12] <sethiroth> lol one thing i hate about KDE is the Right click and gets rid of task manager on the Kbar
[07:13] <berxx> yah how to get it back?
[07:13] <sethiroth> yah i figured it out
[07:13] <sethiroth> :P
[07:13] <sethiroth> it said wiget removed so i kinda figured
[07:13] <sethiroth> it from there
[07:14] <berxx> alt-d-a?
[07:15] <sethiroth> nah
[07:15] <sethiroth> ?
[07:15] <sethiroth> is that a command or
[07:15] <sethiroth> :P
[07:15] <sethiroth> to get the task manager up
[07:15] <berxx> yah that showed as a way to get add widgets
[07:16] <berxx> alt+d, A
[07:16] <gennro> http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=4847&p=52604#p52604
[07:17] <sethiroth> anyways i can get Java to be as fast a Ubuntu
[07:17] <sethiroth> s
[07:23] <sethiroth> is openGL not installed because my drivers are not correct or somthing
[07:25] <sethiroth> ??
[07:27] <valorie> !alis
[07:27] <sethiroth> anyone know why its running 3d stuff off the software not openGL
[07:29] <preecher> i hvent looked into mine yet --i finally just disabled desktop effects since everytime i booted it gave me a notice "some effects were disabled" due to being too slow
[07:31] <sethiroth> everything is fine for me
[07:31] <sethiroth> its just some java games are slow
[07:31] <sethiroth> but on Ubuntu its fine
[07:36] <BBQ655321> Can anyone here help me with ecryptfs-utils? I'm trying to get the Private folder to appear in Kubuntu 11.04
[07:37] <BBQ655321> how do I get the Private folder to show up in 11.04?
[07:37] <sethiroth> sniff to my addiction to minecraft
[07:38] <BBQ655321> i got minecraft working in kubuntu no problem
[07:38] <BBQ655321> i installed the JDK and i was good to go
[07:38] <sethiroth> tell me how and your username :p
[07:39] <sethiroth> but is it slow
[07:39] <BBQ655321> oh so it already works for you but its just slow?
[07:39] <BBQ655321> well for me its fast but i have a fast system
[07:39] <sethiroth> yah but in ubuntu its super fast
[07:39] <BBQ655321> so its slow for you in kubuntu but fast in ubuntu?
[07:39] <sethiroth> i mean fps of over 300+
[07:40] <sethiroth> i cant even see it
[07:40] <sethiroth> xD
[07:40] <sethiroth> in this am bearly getting 30
[07:41] <sethiroth> i really like the KDE
[07:41] <sethiroth> so if possible id like to stay with it
[07:43] <epimeth> I'm dying here... can't figure out how to completely purge mysql server from my system?  I forgot the root password and did a dpkg reconfigure but now I'm being told I have no create database privleges!
[07:44] <sethiroth> sniff 6 fps not even 10
[07:44] <epimeth> so I remove mysql-server and instal it again and the same databases appear!
[07:44] <epimeth> how do I completely remove mysql server and install it again?  thanks!
[07:44] <sethiroth> delete it manually ?
[07:44] <sethiroth> lol thats what i would of done on windows
[07:45] <sethiroth> dont know if it would apply here
[07:46] <epimeth> okay......... now this is weird... just for sh!ts and giggles I tried the command line route and was able to create a new database!  Does anyone know if phpmyadmin is flakey?
[07:47] <Graf_Westerholt> sethiroth, I do not know about mysql but I am sure you have to delete the configuration, not the binarys. The config stays when you remove and reinstall the binarys.
[07:48] <sethiroth> wronge guy
[07:48] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[07:48] <Graf_Westerholt> epimeth, I do not know about mysql but I am sure you have to delete the configuration, not the binarys. The config stays when you remove and reinstall the binarys.
[07:48] <sethiroth> fail
[07:48] <preecher> epimeth dunno if this helps
[07:48] <preecher> sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql-server mysql-common mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev libmysql-ruby
[07:48] <epimeth> Graf_Westerholt: Duh :-p  how do I remove to configs?
[07:49] <Graf_Westerholt> I have no idea, I never worked with mysql
[07:49] <epimeth> preecher: I need to get rid of the client as well??? okay....
[07:51] <epimeth> and I'm being told that this will remove half the packages in my system.....
[07:51] <sethiroth> epimeth go google where is the location of the config files in mysql sever
[07:51] <sethiroth> xD
[07:52] <epimeth> I've been googling for half an hour... I'll check for conf files specifically now
[07:54] <sethiroth> anyways the community is good :D
[07:54] <sethiroth> ++++
[07:54] <sethiroth> 10/10
[07:54] <sethiroth> A*
[07:54] <sethiroth> 1
[07:55] <sethiroth> 1.00
[07:55] <sethiroth> :D
[07:55] <sethiroth> 110% satisfied
[07:56]  * epimeth agrees
[07:57] <sethiroth> flawless
[07:57] <sethiroth> :D i can go on if you want
[07:57] <sethiroth> xD
[07:59] <sethiroth> omg the bal widget is awesome
[07:59] <sethiroth> ball*
[08:00] <preecher> wats it do
[08:00] <Graf_Westerholt> preecher: bouncing. ;)
[08:02] <sethiroth> lol fun as hell
[08:02] <preecher> lol yea i have 2 goin now
[08:02] <sethiroth> quick tip
[08:02] <sethiroth> DONT PUT AUTO BOUNCE ON
[08:02] <sethiroth> lol
[08:03] <sethiroth> trsut me u cant catch it
[08:03] <sethiroth> to close it
[08:03] <FloodBotK1> sethiroth: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:03]  * Graf_Westerholt has two balls. ;)
[08:03] <epimeth> heh.... I just had to clear my cookies... DAMNIT
[08:03] <epimeth> what a waste
[08:04] <epimeth> thanks anyway everybody!  have a splending night
[08:04] <Graf_Westerholt> Night? Sunrise was three hours ago.
[08:05] <sethiroth> lol
[08:05] <preecher> 2am here
[08:05] <sethiroth> Timezones
[08:05] <sethiroth> xD
[08:05] <sethiroth> 8am for me
[08:05] <Graf_Westerholt> It is silly to refer to morning or evening in a world-wide chan.
[08:06] <sethiroth> i am so dumb i put my ball on autobounce on top speed
[08:06] <Graf_Westerholt> no problem sethiroth
[08:06] <preecher> lol it goes
[08:06] <sethiroth> how do i stop it
[08:07] <preecher> i dunno i just x'd my desktop panels tryn to catch them
[08:07] <sethiroth> omg OBILVION OF BALLS
[08:07] <sethiroth> i have 100s
[08:07] <sethiroth> xD
[08:08] <sethiroth> sniff its the end of the world as we know
[08:09] <preecher> yup
[08:10] <sethiroth> my cpu is going crazy mad
[08:10] <sethiroth> why o way
[08:10] <sethiroth> why*
[08:10] <sethiroth> did i put 100 balls on auto bounce
[08:10] <sethiroth> xD
[08:10] <preecher> lol
[08:11] <sethiroth> am gunna restart if there not gone am going to delete my partition
[08:11] <Graf_Westerholt> LOL
[08:11] <sethiroth> and do a reinstall
[08:12] <Graf_Westerholt> There is a solution.
[08:12] <sethiroth> god its giving me a headache
[08:12] <Graf_Westerholt> always
[08:12] <sethiroth> PLEASE OH GOD OH MIGHTY! PLEASE
[08:12] <Graf_Westerholt> I'll find. :)
[08:13] <sethiroth> i thought it was slowing down but no they went faster
[08:14] <sethiroth> fuuuuuuuuuuuu
[08:14] <sethiroth> xD
[08:14] <sethiroth> balls of steel
[08:17] <sethiroth> 3fps on minecraft
[08:18] <sethiroth> :(
[08:18] <sethiroth> ubuntu 300+
[08:21] <sethiroth> nope no change still lots of ballz
[08:28] <Graf_Westerholt> sethiroth: try to kill plasma-desktop at system-monitor.
[08:28] <sethiroth> i did :D
[08:28] <sethiroth> it works
[08:28] <sethiroth> thx
[08:28] <Graf_Westerholt> fine :)
[08:29] <Graf_Westerholt> Now you have no balls anyomer, sethiroth. ;)
[08:29] <Graf_Westerholt> *anymore
[08:29] <sethiroth> awww
[08:29] <sethiroth> lool
[08:50] <jmut> hi. how do I control startup services etc. some services like apache/mysql I want to start on demand only and not on system boot
[08:51] <jmut> where can I read on howto start/stop manually and configure boot startup things
[08:56] <valorie> !startup
[08:57] <valorie> jmut ^^^
[08:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Apache and mysql are not KDE-Programs.
[08:59] <jmut> valorie: !!? would like to asume there is no KDE at all.
[08:59] <jmut> valorie: konsole way...server wise approach
[09:01] <jmut> in other way... should I use    etc.. update-rc.d to configure startup services.  and service [name] start/stop   to handle manually things
[09:08] <martinjh99> Can I use the Desktop Live CD to install on LVM?
[09:10] <sethiroth> yo
[09:10] <sethiroth> hey Preecher
[10:29] <vmsiam> my softwar management icon got missing from the system settings Kubuntu 11.04. How can i restore it?
[10:34] <Peace-> vmsiam: i guess dpkg recofingure read this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.html
[10:35] <vmsiam> thanks peace will have a go at it
[10:55] <sethiroth> Drivers for ATi RAdeon HD 3000
[10:55] <sethiroth> Not working
[11:06] <Peace-> sethiroth: so
[11:10] <lagerimsi> hi there - anyone has experiences with irda? most of the buttons on my remote control worked out of the box - now (after upgrade) nothing works anymore - even assigning the buttons per hand doesn't - irw gives me the right buttons and symbol in taskbar reacts after pressing button - but assigned keys via D-Bus or even templates don't work
[11:11] <ubuntu> hi
[11:11] <lagerimsi> hi
[11:12] <meNtha> just a question
[11:12] <meNtha> i have a windiws xp
[11:12] <Peace-> so...
[11:12] <meNtha> i want to intall kubuntu, but i dont want to delete xp
[11:13] <meNtha> i have to make new partiton<
[11:13] <Peace-> meNtha: just boot form kubuntu , there is an automatic partion stuff
[11:13] <Peace-> meNtha: you will not loose anything
[11:13] <meNtha> and if i installed kubuntu, possiblz some windows system problems<
[11:13] <Peace-> linux will understand how to do that
[11:13] <meNtha> ah
[11:13] <meNtha> ok
[11:13] <Peace-> if you don't trust linux
[11:14] <meNtha> but
[11:14] <Peace-> you ca download some iso that has gparted or partion manager
[11:14] <meNtha> how much space i need
[11:14] <Peace-> i guess i have a link
[11:14] <meNtha> ?
[11:14] <meNtha> 15 gb is enogh<
[11:14] <Peace-> meNtha:   i guess 10-15 gig for the system
[11:14] <lagerimsi> mentha: no problem install via cd and make an automatic installation it will autromatically resize the windows partition and make a new one (in real: two swap and root) for linux
[11:15] <Peace-> meNtha: actually i have 7 gig for the system
[11:15] <Peace-> or less i dunno xD
[11:15] <meNtha> ok
[11:15] <Peace-> the best partions is this
[11:16] <Peace-> windows , 10 gig for / (root partion the system in other words)
[11:16] <meNtha> and if i want to use kubuntu, just enter to the boot menu, and it starts, or what?
[11:16] <Peace-> a partion called swap
[11:16] <Peace-> that is like a ram on the hardisk ...
[11:16] <Peace-> should be ~ like your ram
[11:16] <Peace-> and then /home , the data  partion
[11:16] <Peace-> my configuration it's this
[11:17] <Peace-> 10 gig for the system (/ mount point)
[11:17] <Peace-> 1.5 gig of swap (i have 1.5 of ram )
[11:17] <meNtha> so, if i installed the kubuntu, evrzrhing is the same, just i can start kubuntu on start?
[11:17] <Peace-> and then 100gig of /home
[11:18] <Peace-> meNtha: at the start boot manager will run
[11:18] <Peace-> you can choose windows or linux
[11:18] <Peace-> if you dont' see anything
[11:18] <Peace-> please SHIFT
[11:18] <Peace-> to enter on the menu
[11:18] <Peace-> meNtha: that is the menu http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/grub2.jpg
[11:18] <lagerimsi> mentha: install - let resize your partition - mybe you want to adjust the gigabytes it reserves (10 Gig is enough) - install - after installation you boot into grub -  the bootmanager - there you can choose wich system to start
[11:19] <meNtha> oh, fine :)
[11:20] <meNtha> im a totally noob in linux
[11:20] <meNtha> so
[11:20] <Peace-> meNtha: read before ...
[11:20] <meNtha> what i should to intall?
[11:20] <Peace-> meNtha: for what?
[11:20] <meNtha> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:20] <meNtha> so, wich is the easier?
[11:20] <Peace-> meNtha: kubuntu is ubuntu kernel (that recognize the hardware) with kde interface
[11:21] <Peace-> meNtha: ubuntu is ubuntu kernel (that recognize the hardware) with unity interface
[11:21] <Peace-> meNtha: right now i guess you will find  kde more windows liek
[11:21] <Peace-> i have kubuntu right now
[11:21] <lagerimsi> you can also try linux using the cd  (just boot and choose "try") - it's very slow but you can test it - from there you can also install it
[11:21] <lagerimsi> with a graphical interface
[11:21] <meNtha> i trz the kubuntu beacause im a kvirc user :)
[11:22] <Peace-> meNtha: that is my kubuntu xD http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/08/plasma-desktopkM1729.jpg
[11:22] <meNtha> yes i know, im in try mode with a live cd :)
[11:22] <Peace-> well it's like mac but it's kubuntu xD
[11:23] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello Peace-
[11:23] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: hey
[11:23] <meNtha> hehe, totally mac, but very nice :)
[11:23] <Peace-> meNtha: well i doing a javascript to get the layount for kde
[11:24] <Peace-> mac layount
[11:24] <Peace-> -.-
[11:24] <Peace-> layout
[11:24] <meNtha> hm
[11:24] <lagerimsi> hm? - you can change tha
[11:24] <lagerimsi> t
[11:24] <Peace-> what?
[11:24] <meNtha> okay i will go back to windows, make some space, and than i gonna intall kubuntu :)
[11:25] <meNtha> thanks for info
[11:25] <lagerimsi> don't have to
[11:25] <Peace-> have luck
[11:25] <lagerimsi> it will automatically resizre your partition
[11:25] <lagerimsi> ?!?
[11:26] <lagerimsi> but much fun with it :)
[11:26] <lagerimsi> again:  anyone has experiences with irda? most of the buttons on my remote control worked out of the box - now (after upgrade) nothing works anymore - even assigning the buttons per hand doesn't - irw gives me the right buttons and symbol in taskbar reacts after pressing button - but assigned keys via D-Bus or even templates don't work
[11:26] <meNtha> lagerimsi: yes, but i have to make some space, my winch is fulll :)
[11:27] <meNtha> so
[11:27] <lagerimsi> mentha: ok have fun
[11:27] <meNtha> i will be back soon
[11:27] <meNtha> thanks
[11:27] <meNtha> bze
[11:27] <Peace-> lagerimsi: wait i have a guy with that experience but it's italian
[11:27] <meNtha> bye
[11:27] <FloodBotK1> meNtha: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:27] <Peace-> her is
[11:28] <lagerimsi> peace: i dont speak italian
[11:28] <lagerimsi> :(
[11:28] <Peace-> lagerimsi: xD i know i am italian too
[11:28] <Peace-> but we can speak english
[11:29] <lagerimsi> ok nice
[11:29] <Peace-> lagerimsi: sorry he is gone  , maybe after lauch he comes back
[11:29] <Peace-> i leave too eat time :P
[11:30] <lagerimsi> Peace: ok
[11:30] <lagerimsi> good apetite
[11:52] <sethiroth> Need help installing offical Ati readeon HD 3000 drivers
[11:53] <Peace-> jockey-kde doesn't help
[11:53] <Peace-> ?
[11:53] <sethiroth> i want offical driver
[11:53] <sethiroth> xD
[11:53] <sethiroth> not the open one
[11:53] <sethiroth> it preforms better
[11:54] <Peace-> sethiroth: you can get the other driver from that ...
[11:54] <sethiroth> ??
[11:54] <sethiroth> dont understand
[11:54] <Peace-> sethiroth: jockey-kde can enable drivers...
[11:55] <Peace-> proprietary and non-proprietaay
[11:56] <sethiroth> dude thanks so much
[11:57] <sethiroth> how do i add a icon to a jar file ?
[11:57] <sethiroth> erm i got this error with jocky
[11:57] <sethiroth> System error
[11:58] <sethiroth> install achives fail
[13:01] <meNtha> re
[13:01] <meNtha> Peace-: r u here?
[13:01] <meNtha> there is a little problem
[13:02] <meNtha> or lagerimsi ?
[13:02] <Peace-> meNtha: ya
[13:02] <meNtha> so
[13:02] <Peace-> si
[13:02] <meNtha> im try to intall kubuntu with wubi
[13:02] <Peace-> mmm
[13:03] <Peace-> it will not work well
[13:03] <Peace-> but if you wanna try...
[13:03] <meNtha> im tried
[13:03] <meNtha> and it doesnt works
[13:03] <Peace-> xD
[13:03] <Peace-> meNtha: have you tried with livecd ?
[13:03] <meNtha> im rebooted the szstem, and wasnt boot screen
[13:03] <Peace-> meNtha: boot from the cd
[13:04] <meNtha> can u write the steps< i dont want to loose mz win with mz data/s
[13:04] <meNtha> idk whz wasnt boot screen... :(
[13:05] <Peace-> meNtha: ok you have not to be scared,
[13:05] <Peace-> meNtha: if you wanna try the livecd there is not problem
[13:05] <Peace-> just burn the iso image
[13:05] <Peace-> put on the cd
[13:05] <Peace-> and reboot
[13:05] <Peace-> reboot and make sure cd it's selected before Hard disk
[13:05] <Peace-> so it will load kubuntu and not windows
[13:06] <Peace-> the live cd is very easy to use and you have not to install it
[13:07] <meNtha> yeah, im on the live cd right now
[13:07] <meNtha> and kubuntu is fuckin good
[13:07] <meNtha> :D
[13:08] <RurouniJones> Anyone know any linux programs that will crawl and download an entire website?
[13:08] <Peace-> meNtha: you like it! ? so if everytthing work :) it will too after the installation
[13:09] <Peace-> meNtha: the kernel what  recognize your hardware it's the same on the live cd
[13:09] <Peace-> if you install it will be used on the computer locally
[13:09] <Peace-> meNtha: if you are scared you can create a new partition
[13:09] <Peace-> just a second a i wll give you a live cd to partizionize
[13:10] <meNtha> ok, but if i instal lwith wubi, after rebooting wasnt bott screen to choose beetwen win and kubuntu, so this is my problem
[13:10] <Peace-> meNtha: http://sourceforge.net/projects/partitionman/files/partitionmanager-live-cd/1.0.3/KDE_Partition_Manager_1.0.3_LiveCD.i686-1.0.3.iso/download
[13:13] <meNtha> im gonna try
[13:25] <liamdawe_> hi all#
[13:34] <lagerimsi> again:  anyone has experiences with irda? most of the buttons on my remote control worked out of the box - now (after upgrade) nothing works anymore - even assigning the buttons per hand doesn't - irw gives me the right buttons and symbol in taskbar reacts after pressing button - but assigned keys via D-Bus or even templates don't work
[13:36] <lagerimsi> Peace: is your friend here?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:06] <meNtha> re
[14:07] <meNtha> Peace-:
[14:08] <meNtha> if i start from intall cd
[14:08] <meNtha> and i choose automatic
[14:08] <meNtha> it delete windows?
[14:09] <Peace-> nope
[14:09] <Peace-> meNtha: it will not delet windows
[14:09] <meNtha> ok
[14:09] <meNtha> just intall automatic, and it will be good? :D
[14:09] <Peace-> meNtha: but there 1% that something could get wrong
[14:09] <Peace-> meNtha: should be
[14:10] <Peace-> meNtha: have you made a backup?
[14:10] <Peace-> meNtha: i never did a backup
[14:10] <Peace-> xD
[14:10] <Peace-> but maybe voltage could get down
[14:10] <Peace-> or something like that
[14:11] <Peace-> meNtha: after you have installed read this http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/what-you-would-want-to-do-on-startup-multimedia-side/
[14:12] <Peace-> i go bye bey
[14:39] <meNtha> valaki magyar?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> !hu | meNtha
[14:42] <meNtha> ty
[14:47] <HPP> hi
[14:47] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello HPP.
[14:47] <HPP> can you install kubuntu on mac?
[14:48] <Graf_Westerholt> !mac
[14:48] <HPP> thank you
[14:48] <Graf_Westerholt> np
[14:56] <amichair> so, has the upgrade from Maverick to Natty been smooth for everyone?
[15:02] <Peace-> amichair: no
[15:02] <BluesKaj> amichair, it's never smooth for everyone
[15:03] <amichair> some are smoother than others...
[15:03]  * Peace- has never upgraded
[15:03] <amichair> always clean install? or u working on an ancient system?
[15:04] <amichair> I upgraded my netbook, desktop effects no longer work (I opened a bug, and it was closed the next day as invalid. sheesh.)
[15:05] <amichair> so I'm deliberating whether to upgrade my desktop (more sensitive) or wait some more
[15:06] <Peace-> amichair: well i don't like upgrade
[15:06] <Peace-> i want be sure the system will work well
[15:06] <amichair> I've been upgrading since Intrepid, iirc - most of the upgrades went smooth. Maverick a little less.
[15:07] <Peace-> amichair: i install alpha system :)
[15:07] <Peace-> test report bugs
[15:07] <amichair> hehe
[15:07] <Peace-> and so on...
[15:08] <Peace-> i guess i will install 11.10 when there will be the alpha
[15:08] <Peace-> xD
[15:08] <amichair> I do that in virtualbox, no need to mess up my main work/home/server machine
[15:08] <Peace-> well , i have 10gig   100 home and 10 another partion
[15:09] <Peace-> 1 stable , home , unstable
[15:09] <martinjh99> Good afternoon!
[15:10] <amichair> I haven't gotten the upgrade notification on my desktop though, strange (on netbook it came up the day of the release)
[15:10] <amichair> I asked here, but never got an answer of how to get the update notifications to work properly
[15:11] <martinjh99> Just installing 11.04 on an eeepc 901 netbook and I get the netbook shell rather than the standard desktop - any way I can get the standard desktop once installed? or at least a pointer to instructions?
[15:11] <amichair> maybe it broke in one of the previous upgrades :-)
[15:11] <amichair> martinjh99: when you say netbook shell, do you mean the netbook GUI, or a command line prompt?
[15:12] <martinjh99> the gui - it installs and works fine :) I just prefer the standard desktop even on the netbook - Had 10.04 on there and that worked fine!
[15:12] <amichair> martinjh99: in system settings -> workspace, select the desktop workspace
[15:13] <martinjh99> thanks amichair  - not quite finished installing yet so will try when done!
[15:14] <martinjh99> USB sticks are slow.... ;)
[15:14] <amichair> I use the desktop workspace on the netbook too. The netbook gui is much less usable on a netbook, for me
[15:14] <amichair> I find it requires much more touchpad movements, which is less convenient
[15:15] <amichair> though I didn't check it out in Natty yet, maybe it got better :-)
[15:15] <Peace-> amichair: try the menu bar
[15:15] <Peace-> i mean
[15:15] <Peace-> amichair: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/08/plasma-desktopdr1729.jpg
[15:15] <Peace-> amichair: look at the panel
[15:16] <Peace-> there is settings and so on ..
[15:16] <Peace-> i guess it' s better this
[15:16] <HPP> is there a software that allows you to run windows apps on linux, (not virtualbox or VWware)?
[15:16] <amichair> Peace-: is that for martinjh99?
[15:16] <amichair> !wine | HPP
[15:16] <Peace-> amichair: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/08/plasma-desktoplX1729.jpg
[15:16] <HPP> thanx amichair
[15:16] <Peace-> amichair: no for you because i guess menu bar it' sbetter for netbook
[15:17] <martinjh99> Peace- how did you get that bottom bar?
[15:17] <Peace-> martinjh99: add widget on the panel
[15:17] <Peace-> martinjh99: search for menu bar
[15:18] <Peace-> martinjh99: if you can't get it you have to install plasma-widget-menubar i guess
[15:18] <amichair> Peace-: thanks, I'll check it out too
[15:18] <Peace-> martinjh99: something like taht
[15:18] <martinjh99> ah ok cool :) will check it out
[15:18] <Peace-> martinjh99: anwyway you should get plasma-widget
[15:18] <martinjh99> whats your style and window manager style?
[15:19] <Peace-> martinjh99: xD
[15:19] <Peace-> martinjh99: one moment
[15:21] <amichair> Peace-: and how do u get that menu on top? I just see a drop-down main menu in the corner
[15:21] <Peace-> amichair: as i said , panel==> add widget ==> add menu bar
[15:21] <Peace-> amichair: if you have not just install plasma-widget
[15:21] <Peace-> filter on kpackagekit
[15:21] <amichair> oh, I thought that was about the bar in the bottom
[15:22] <Peace-> you should find plasma-wdiget-menubar
[15:22] <Peace-> amichair: that is daisy widget
[15:22] <Peace-> sudo  plasma-widget-daisy
[15:22] <Peace-> i guess
[15:23] <Peace-> martinjh99: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/08/plasma-desktopee1729.jpg
[15:25] <martinjh99> thanks all...
[15:28] <amichair> Peace-: apparently the menu widget is there by default, but in its settings you need to uncheck the 'use button form factor' setting (on by default)
[15:29] <Peace-> amichair: uncheck
[15:29] <Peace-> amichair: then open a new istance of dolphin
[15:30] <Peace-> if an application is alread opened it doesn't work but if you open a new istance
[15:30] <amichair> yes, I did - just mentioned that it does not need to be installed, and the default settings do need to be changed
[15:30] <Peace-> menu bar should it work
[15:30] <amichair> for the next guy that asks :-)
[15:30] <Peace-> xD well i have my blog and right now i am writing a tutorial
[15:30] <Peace-> for mac style
[15:31] <Peace-> i did for the gnome2 style and now it's time for mac
[15:31] <amichair> how do I minimize a window? the button's gone
[15:31] <HPP> peace what is your blog..
[15:32] <Peace-> amichair: mm screenshot?
[15:33] <Peace-> HPP: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/kde-configure-panels-in-gnome-way-configure-kde-desktop-for-each-user/
[15:33] <HPP> thnx
[15:36] <amichair> daisy ain't working too great
[15:37] <amichair> sometime I see only the top half
[15:37] <amichair> when selecting an open application, it shows all open apps not just the selected one
[15:37] <amichair> and I can't get the bar to show again unless I minimize all open apps
[15:37] <amichair> except there's no minimize button :-)
[15:38] <amichair> I think I'll switch back to desktop workspace for now, will give it another shot when I have the time
[15:38] <Peace-> amichair: you have to set
[15:39] <BluesKaj> amichair, in the panel moresettings choose always visible
[15:40] <amichair> I don't see such an option on daisy
[15:40] <Peace-> amichair: get some time and see well :)
[15:40] <amichair> also, after making the top menu not in one button (the setting from before), now the rest of my indicators etc. are overwriting each other
[15:42] <BluesKaj> daisy?
[15:43] <Peace-> amichair: screenshot
[15:43] <amichair> BluesKaj: that's the bottom panel we're talking about, Peace- just introduced it
[15:44] <BluesKaj> if you used the default plasma panel, then maybe you do what you want :)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> culd
[15:45]  * BluesKaj curses
[15:45] <amichair> BluesKaj: I will, as soon as I switch back to desktop workspace :-)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> damn KB!
[15:46] <Peace-> xD
[15:46] <Peace-> BluesKaj: this is the fist time i ssee you write damn hhahaha
[15:46] <BluesKaj> those dinky launchers are ok , but they don't do what a real panel does ...eye candy yes , practical ? maybe not so much
[15:47] <amichair> does alt-prtsc work, or do I need to open screenshot app?
[15:47] <amichair> (if I touch it, the menu changes...)
[15:47] <Peace-> amichair: stamp
[15:47] <Peace-> amichair: if doesn't systesettings shortcuts
[15:48] <amichair> what's stamp?
[15:49] <Peace-> amichair: instead of alt stamp you should use only stamp
[15:49] <Peace-> amichair: ksnapshot it's the progrma
[15:50] <amichair> stamp == PrtSc?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> prtscn key works here
[15:51]  * BluesKaj stops damning his KB :)
[15:51] <amichair> ah yes, got it
[15:51] <amichair> there's a nice feature on Windows where prtsc gets a full screen snapshot, and alt+prtsc gets a snapshot of the active window only. quite useful
[15:52] <amichair> though come to think of it, in this case I need the full screen :-P
[15:54] <amichair> which is the image pastebin de jour?
[15:54] <eristikophiles> hey anyone mind telling me how large a boot volume should be on a netbook with a hd size of 248986MB ?
[15:55] <eristikophiles> i'm setting up encrypted w/ an LVM.. so it seems to want a default "root" LV. i'm adding another LV "stor" for files only
[15:55] <eristikophiles> i was thinking 20% of the drive for "root" but that's like 49GB and seems big..
[15:59] <Peace-> eristikophiles: :S
[15:59] <Peace-> root need 10-15gig
[15:59] <Peace-> home can be 100gig
[15:59] <amichair> ok, here we go: http://imagebin.org/152332
[16:00] <Peace-> swap = ram
[16:00] <James147> swap = very very slow ram ^^
[16:00] <Peace-> amichair: oh you use that
[16:00] <amichair> and http://imagebin.org/152333
[16:00] <eristikophiles> yeah swap is already accounted for automatically
[16:00] <Peace-> James147: well it's the hd
[16:01] <eristikophiles> the guided setup isn't set up for multiple partitions though.. :) i want multiple partitions *and* encryption
[16:02] <grusum> when will the KDE 4.6.3 updates be in the repositories that were released on the 6th?
[16:02] <eristikophiles> Peace-- thanks btw.. but do i really need that much space in /home?
[16:03] <eristikophiles> i'm not storing any data on there, it'll only be for config files
[16:03] <Peace-> eristikophiles: nope
[16:03] <Peace-> eristikophiles: i mean
[16:03] <Peace-> i use /home so huge because in this way
[16:03] <Peace-> if i do something of weird on the system and i want install again the system
[16:03] <Peace-> i have only to format 10-15 gig
[16:03] <Peace-> and the user settings are kept
[16:03] <eristikophiles> yeah, that's fine for the /root
[16:03] <Peace-> on the home
[16:03] <eristikophiles> but i will have *another* space for data after /home
[16:03] <Peace-> that it's eve the storage partition
[16:04] <eristikophiles> i will call it /stor
[16:04] <Peace-> :) i have an home
[16:04] <Peace-> and in the home there is /home/shared
[16:04] <yofel> grusum: 4.6.3 got delayed, they'll be out when it's released
[16:04] <Peace-> so everyuser can read the stuff
[16:04] <eristikophiles> well, how big should /home be to just handle like, the config files and such?
[16:04] <eristikophiles> i'm the only user on this box :)
[16:04] <Peace-> eristikophiles: so you can use 10-15 gig for the system and the home
[16:04] <Peace-> :)
[16:04] <grusum> yofel: tu
[16:04] <eristikophiles> hm
[16:05] <eristikophiles> ok cool thanks
[16:05] <amichair> Peace-: gave u the screenshots above, now will switch back to desktop
[16:05] <James147> eristikophiles: the root drive will never go above 10gig on most computer... 15 gigs is good for most setups... if you really want to be safe go with 20.... but more then that isnt really needed at all unless you are adding things manually (such as a website or something) ^^ /home is there a good place you just you the test of the disk
[16:05] <Peace-> ok
[16:05] <yofel> hm... or maybe they just didn't send a mail...
[16:06] <eristikophiles> James147- thanks.. i'm really asking about the /home dir relative to storage space
[16:06] <eristikophiles> but i put 17gb in both /root and /home
[16:06] <eristikophiles> the rest is in /stor
[16:06] <James147> eristikophiles: most use /home as storage space
[16:06] <eristikophiles> i want a distinct storage space :)
[16:07] <James147> eristikophiles: then you dont really need more then a few gigs
[16:07] <eristikophiles> hm
[16:07] <James147> eristikophiles: if there
[16:07] <James147> if taht
[16:07] <James147> ^^
[16:07] <eristikophiles> how big should it be for just config files then?
[16:07] <eristikophiles> 15?
[16:07] <eristikophiles> i still haven't finalized the partitioning. i can change it
[16:08] <James147> eristikophiles: well, for everything except the nepomuk db it should fit in sice one gig easy... nepomuk db can run up to a few gigs though... soo 15 would be plenty
[16:09] <eristikophiles> hm
[16:09] <eristikophiles> what's nepomuk do again?
[16:10] <eristikophiles> oh file indexing?
[16:10] <eristikophiles> i don't need that lol
[16:10] <James147> eristikophiles: index files and store metadata about files
[16:10] <amichair> oh no!
[16:10] <amichair> I can't get back to my desktop workspace!
[16:10] <eristikophiles> amichair- first step: breathe
[16:10] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, my / is 14.6G ,and I still have 6.6G available
[16:10] <amichair> whether I apply the netbook or desktop in system settings, I end up getting the netbook :-(
[16:10] <eristikophiles> BluesKaj- thanks
[16:11] <eristikophiles> this is the first time i've tried to set up a drive this way.. normally i'd follow a setup with / and /home, but i like the idea of retaining a distinct storage area
[16:11] <amichair> eristikophiles: thanks, will do :-)
[16:11] <eristikophiles> meh, i suppose i'll leave nepomuk alone
[16:12] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, what appeals to you about another storage area , safety ?
[16:13] <amichair> well, a reboot got me back to the desktop. Kubuntu is catching up to Windows ;-)
[16:14] <eristikophiles> well two things, 1- these are logical volumes which will be encrypted. i don't see a reason to encrypt my settings in /home. 2- i want to ensure that i don't overwrite my normal data storage when upgrading the o/s ever
[16:15] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, sounds like a case for a seperate backup drive :)
[16:15] <eristikophiles> it's a netbook
[16:15] <eristikophiles> i'm just being picky about it :)
[16:15] <eristikophiles> in fact, i don't have my normal data drives encrypted but i probably should since they're portable
[16:15] <eristikophiles> i need to do a thorough backup and then i'll see about that
[16:15] <James147> eristikophiles: kubuntu dosnt overwrite /home when you reinstall... even if its on the same partition as / (assuming you dont format it)
[16:16] <eristikophiles> ..but i want my netbook data storage to be opaque in case anyone stole the thing
[16:16] <BluesKaj> well, if it's work/office data . yes
[16:16] <eristikophiles> James147- it did though because this box was not on the net, and i used the alternate installer cd
[16:16] <eristikophiles> any data. if i can encrypt in this manner, why not? :)
[16:17] <James147> eristikophiles: also... if your only encrypting your /data drive then it not goign to provide much protection... you also need to encrtpy /tmp and swap and also /home (config files can contain allot of infomation about stuff)
[16:21] <James147> eristikophiles: dont know about the alternitive installer, but as long as you dont format the drive /home is on the isntaller should delete it... that is assuming the manual option as the other options format the drive
[16:22]  * BluesKaj noticed  that some of the newer workspace window decors slow the desktop effects , or make them herky jerky
[16:24] <eristikophiles> the alternative installer already erased my /home drive
[16:24] <eristikophiles> anyway i decided a bit back to throw out the data on this box and start fresh anyway so there's nothing on there now
[16:38] <liamdawe_> so how's everyone finding kubuntu 11.04?
[16:44] <asraniel> liamdawe_: no problems on my desktop machine. holding it back for now on the laptop, just to be sure (thats where i'm actually working on, don't want to break it)
[16:46] <amichair> liamdawe_: desktop effects stopped working on my netbook. holding it back on the desktop which I work on
[16:47] <amichair> other than that seems ok
[16:47] <Graf_Westerholt> liamdawe_: some problems here: printer is not using black ink, birthdays are not shown, sometimes freezing.
[16:47] <rsx> hi. can anyone tell me how can i acces konqueror cache
[16:50] <eristikophiles> this is a bit more complex than i thought at first
[16:50] <eristikophiles> and is making less and less sense
[16:50] <eristikophiles> i need a good guide but the net is not helping lol
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, heh my HP printer won't work at all. even with new carts installed it tells me  they are low and it quits
[16:51] <Graf_Westerholt> My HP 5610 works, but only using one cartrige.
[16:51] <Graf_Westerholt> *cartidge
[16:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Either black or colour.
[16:52] <Graf_Westerholt> I have this problem for two years.
[16:53] <James147> eristikophiles: you following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto ?
[16:55] <liamdawe_> my only problem is that kopete tends to crash when i have it minimized to messaging menu, it just doesnt want to restore its window after a while of not using it, anyone else get that?
[16:55] <eristikophiles> thanks james
[16:55] <eristikophiles> that does help
[16:55] <eristikophiles> though right now i've decided that i need to use the regular installer cd rather than the alternate
[16:55] <Graf_Westerholt> liamdawe_, kopete works fine here.
[16:56] <eristikophiles> which means that i need to mount my storage drives on this box
[16:56] <eristikophiles> which i can't manage to do it seems :)
[16:56] <liamdawe_> hmm maybe i should run it from terminal just to see if i get any error
[16:57] <liamdawe_> gah running it from terminal just boots it up and then doesnt keep it in terminal :\
[17:19] <amichair> has guarddog been removed from Natty?
[17:22] <amichair> !find guarddog
[17:22] <amichair> !show guarddog
[17:23] <amichair> !info guarddog natty
[17:23] <BluesKaj> !guarddog
[17:23] <amichair> BluesKaj: any idea why it was removed from Natty? (am I reading this right? is this a bug?)
[17:24] <amichair> !info guarddog maverick
[17:24] <BluesKaj> amichair, I just checked synaptic , it's not listed
[17:25] <amichair> boy, am I glad I didn't upgrade my desktop, or I would have found this out the hard way
[17:25] <BluesKaj> amichair, dunno, must be replaced some other app
[17:25] <amichair> is there any recommended replacement? why was it removed?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> amichair, there are several diff apps listed under firewall
[17:29] <BluesKaj> !firewall
[17:29] <BluesKaj> oops
[17:31] <amichair> heh
[17:31] <amichair> that's what I thought too :-)
[17:32] <delac> any way to make Kate open new window if the current workspace doesn't have one open already?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> well, ufw enable will , but then you probly should cofig it first
[17:33] <amichair> the reason for using guarddog is that it was a simple and usable gui for simple-medium complexity rules
[17:36] <Snowhog> amichair: Read http://www.gerixsoft.com/blog/ubuntu/natty-guarddog
[17:36] <BluesKaj> amichair, are you behind a router...it's usually the best FW anyway
[17:37] <amichair> BluesKaj: thanks, I jus saw that - but I dislike doing unsupported stuff (too much maintenance headaches)
[17:39] <amichair> Snowhog: yeah, but this box also serves as a webserver, mail server, svn server, etc... would rather keep it nice and tight
[18:03] <atdprhs> Hello everyone, I'm using ubuntu, I know that this channel is mainly for kubuntu but in ubuntu channel there is no one can answer my question but I know that ubuntu and kubuntu are nearly same, so I'm gonna drop in my question and anyone can help me, please help me
[18:03] <atdprhs> Hey, I have installed ubuntu on HP Pavilion DV6 which has the mouse touch pad is completely as a mouse moving, like no buttons but there is a lines that represents where I can either left click something or right click it, so after ubuntu installation, I cannot right click anything in ubuntu, but in windows I can! Any help???
[18:05] <gennro> no idea
[18:05] <atdprhs> I just need some help... I know that this is not for ubuntu, but i'm stuck on that problem and I can't get help from ubuntu channel cuz no one answers me...
[18:05] <BluesKaj> !synaptiks
[18:06] <atdprhs> gennro: I know its weird, but my mouse touch pad words perfect on windows... but I think Ubuntu doesn't have anything that defines that kind of mouse pad which has no buttons (It has but you can move the mouse through move your finger from over the buttons...
[18:07] <atdprhs> so nobody knows anything about that problem?
[18:08] <gennro> I would try the forums
[18:08] <BluesKaj> atdprhs, havn't heard of it before , your laptop has no toachpad buttons ?
[18:08] <srinux> GAYS
[18:08] <srinux> GAYS
[18:08] <FloodBotK1> srinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> err touchpad buttons
[18:09] <srinux> http://territoriogamers.com/sanjose
[18:09] <srinux> http://territoriogamers.com/sanjose
[18:09] <srinux> http://territoriogamers.com/sanjose
[18:09] <FloodBotK1> srinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:10] <Snowhog> Okay mod's, srinux is either a bot, or just a spammer.
[18:10] <atdprhs> BluesKaj: it has buttons but there is a colored white line that is vertical and horizontal that represents where your buttons are
[18:10] <atdprhs> BluesKaj: so basically you still can move the mouse when you move your finger over the buttons like their not there
[18:10] <srinux> not just a bot
[18:10] <atdprhs> BluesKaj: you know what I mean?
[18:10] <srinux> im #freenode bot
[18:10] <srinux> im your fucking mothers bot
[18:10] <BluesKaj> atdprhs, what model laptop ?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> !op | srinux
[18:10] <atdprhs> HP Pavilion DV6
[18:10] <srinux> im your idiot fucking gay sucker lamer idiot fucking GAY NIGGER BOT
[18:12] <atdprhs> BluesKaj: would you like me to look for a picture of my laptop over google to give it to you so you can get the full image?
[18:12] <Snowhog> Tm_T: Thank you.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> atdprhs, not necessary , I'm afraid I don't know how to help ...seems like a very odd situation
[18:15] <atdprhs> thanks BluesKaj, appreciated :-)
[18:15] <Snowhog> atdprhs: double-tapping doesn't work?
[18:19] <meNtha> re
[18:19] <meNtha> Peace-: i'm on kubuntu finally :)
[18:19] <meNtha> thx 4 help
[18:22] <yofel> kde 4.6.3 packages out for natty http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-463
[18:34] <eristikophiles> wellp, i've got *most* things working normally at least
[18:34] <eristikophiles> sound refuses to work
[18:34] <eristikophiles> trying to use this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 but i've followed the steps and it seems to not help
[18:39] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, do you have pulseaudio installed, sometimes it's the culprit and needs to be configured (or removed if configuring it still doesn't work)
[18:39] <tommis> how can i get ark to open iso images?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> tommis, what do want to do with the isos ?
[18:40] <tommis> open them
[18:40] <tommis> duh
[18:42] <eristikophiles> yeah i have pulseaudio installed
[18:42] <BluesKaj> tommis, I never opened iso images with ark , don't think it's capable
[18:42] <eristikophiles> i was just looking at packages.. wasn't sure what to do there
[18:43] <tommis> yeh i found out...
[18:43] <tommis> but is there a plugin of some sort, or alternative
[18:45] <preecher> tommis not sure if this would work but what about "furius iso mount"
[18:45] <tommis> i think it is an gkt app..
[18:45] <tommis> gtk*
[18:46] <BluesKaj> tommis, normally iso will play on vlc if they're media , otherwise they are mean't to be burned to a cd or dvd
[18:46] <tommis> well i don't weel like wasting dvds
[18:47] <BluesKaj> what's on the iso ?
[18:47] <tommis> some files
[18:47] <tommis> i need a few
[18:48] <yofel> well, you could mount the iso with 'mount -o loop <image> /mnt' to access it
[18:48] <yofel> then you can just use dolphin to browse through /mnt
[18:49] <BluesKaj> cool yofel , I learned something new today
[18:49] <tommis> why /mnt?
[18:49] <cannavist> unity has driven me into the arms of kde
[18:49] <tommis> why not in the /media/<something>
[18:49] <yofel> that's the multi-purpose mount point that's usually empty, you can mount it anywhere
[18:50] <tommis> cool, will try
[18:51] <eristikophiles> i removed pulseaudio, didn't seem to help, reinstalled.. same
[18:51] <eristikophiles> how do i 'configure' it?
[18:51] <eristikophiles> i mean, phonon is the only audio config thing i can find
[18:53] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, there's a GUI for pulseaudio , forgotten what it's called now
[18:53] <yofel> there's pavucontrol (gtk)
[18:54] <eristikophiles> aplay -l says no soundcards found; lspci -v shows a soundcard
[18:54] <yofel> wait, alsamixer doesn't show one either?
[18:54] <eristikophiles> modprobe does *not* show a match to that card
[18:55] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, open alsamixer in the terminal , see if it lists a sound card
[18:57] <eristikophiles> alsamixer in console? it needs an argument.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, install alsa-base
[18:59] <paolone1>  Hi. I use rosegarden 10.4.2 on ubuntu. timidity works fine, but I don't hear any sound with  rosegarden. what can I do?
[19:00] <eristikophiles> alsa-base is installed
[19:01] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, was it installed or did you just install it ?
[19:01] <eristikophiles> no it already was
[19:02] <BluesKaj> and alsmixer doesn't open in the terminal ?
[19:02] <eristikophiles> nope
[19:02] <eristikophiles> i ran man alsamixer.
[19:02] <eristikophiles> it basically only lets you *set* what card you want
[19:02] <BluesKaj> run just alsamixer
[19:03] <eristikophiles> yeah
[19:03] <BluesKaj> hmm, I wonder if alsa-utils will help
[19:03] <eristikophiles> i ran man alsamixer because i didn't know what args it wanted. and apparently it wants either a card or device for me to select
[19:04] <eristikophiles> it doesn't seem like it, my card is snd-hda-intel
[19:04] <eristikophiles> it's built into the mobo
[19:04] <Snowhog> eristikophiles: alsamixer does not require any arguments.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> or any
[19:06] <Snowhog> eristikophiles: I have an hda Intel onboard sound chip as well: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[19:06] <mahi_> hi guys, I have used only windows before. I am a brand new user in kubuntu. I need a software which works exactly like dreamwaver.exe; can any one tell me name of the software and how can I get that??
[19:11] <Snowhog> mahi_: You can take a look at either Quanta or Kompozer, both of which are available for installation via KPackagekit or from the console.
[19:12] <mahi_> snowhog: would you please tell me what is the command for quanta?
[19:13] <eristikophiles> hanuman% alsamixer
[19:13] <eristikophiles> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[19:13] <eristikophiles> also, man alsamixer insists that it needs arguments
[19:13] <Snowhog> eristikophiles: What version of Kubuntu and KDE are you running?
[19:14] <eristikophiles> i just upgraded to 11.04
[19:14] <eristikophiles> which is what broke my sound
[19:14] <eristikophiles> anyway, my netbook is also being incredibly annoying
[19:14] <eristikophiles> but i think i can fix that issue myself
[19:15] <amichair> eristikophiles: when I upgraded to Maverick I had a bunch of sound problems, and removing pulseadio fixed everything. For what it's worth...
[19:16] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, don't run the manual (man) with alsamixer ..alsmixer opens itself within the terminal, it doesn't require arguments of any kind
[19:17] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, and do you have a the small speaker icon (kmix) in the panel ?
[19:17] <eristikophiles> yeah there was a way to switch to normal panels
[19:17] <eristikophiles> amichair- i tried that. didn't change anything
[19:18] <eristikophiles> yes, i'm running kmix already
[19:18] <eristikophiles> i always run it
[19:18] <eristikophiles> ..insisting that alsamixer will run without args is kind of silly. it won't. it's not. i type "alsamixer" and *nothing happens* well, i get an error
[19:18] <eristikophiles> repeating that it doesn't need args to me is also not helping
[19:19] <BluesKaj> click on the mixer button on kmix ...see how many ctrls show up
[19:19] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, well you weren't responding , so i had to make those suggestions
[19:20] <eristikophiles> i have one playback device, "dummy output", no capture devices, 2 playback streams "event sounds" and "java: audio stream", no capture streams
[19:21] <eristikophiles> but i told you several times that alsamixer wasn't running
[19:22] <eristikophiles> normally a "java: audio stream" corresponds to a java app using audio
[19:22] <eristikophiles> like skype
[19:22] <eristikophiles> which may well be what that is
[19:23] <eristikophiles> this "dummy output" crap is new though.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, nm , you kept mentionng man ...I assumed your typing man alsamixer ...and we don't know what knowledge you have in Linux so sometimes these misunderstandings happen
[19:23] <eristikophiles> s'ok
[19:24] <eristikophiles> anyway my netbook has internet it looks like.. i just have to re-build my panels
[19:24] <eristikophiles> it was all netbook-edition looking *shudder*
[19:24] <eristikophiles> i really hope my wifi card is supported now
[19:24] <eristikophiles> ..but the audio issue on this box is still more irksome for now
[19:25] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, well try installing asla-utils as well
[19:27] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:32] <eristikophiles> ok
[19:32] <eristikophiles> oh, it was already installed
[19:35] <baijupv> why my wireless not get connecting...it always says configuring interface.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, din't realize it's a netbook , they seem to have probs I'm not famliar with.
[19:39] <baijupv> nobody here to help
[19:41] <gennro> nope
[19:41] <BluesKaj> baj we need to know what you'vbe tried so far , have you tried to configure network manager settings?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> gennro, nice
[19:43] <gennro> guess people don't relize there is a forum with a ton of information
[20:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Bye.
[20:19] <secret_junglist> having a strange issue - when I visit a site with some embedded media, such as a youtube vid, an image of the vid becomes visible in other applications
[20:39] <Egy-loveR> hello
[20:39] <Egy-loveR> anyone from Egypt
[20:56] <DarthFrog> #fedora
[20:57] <DarthFrog> Oops.  My bad, sorry.
[20:59] <gomiboy> fedora... can't be forgiven :)
[21:01] <DarthFrog> I run it on my client's servers.
[21:02] <gomiboy> just joking, differences make linux strong :)
[21:03] <shane4ubuntu> what is the best software to record audio in KDE?  As a Gnome user I always used Audacity, is there a better option for K?  Also, it doesn't seem to be seeing my input :(
[21:07] <len> Does anyone know how to prevent programs from opening in the background instead of the foreground?  The file chooser dialog always starts in the background if I bring it up more than once.  Example:  I'm in a web-based email, and I hit attach.  First time Dolphin file selector pops up in foreground, I pick a file and it goes away.  I decide to attach another file, and hit attach, and it seem like nothing happens, but what really happens is that
[21:07] <len> the file chooser dialog opens behind other windows so you can't see it.
[21:08] <meNtha> wich is the best twitter kliens for KDE?
[21:09] <len> This also happens sometimes when I open multiple copies of Chrome.  I'll launch another copy, and it seems like nothing happens, until I notice that the chrome count on the toolbar as increased by one, because another copy of Chrome has been opened IN THE BACKGROUND.
[21:09] <len> Is this a problem with kwin?
[21:10] <gomiboy> len: do you have some sort of focus stealing prevention active?
[21:10] <shane4ubuntu> what is the volume thing called, and how can I run it?  seems it has disappeared, or crashed.
[21:10] <DarthFrog> Try kmix.
[21:11] <len> No.  I've had this happen on 4 different computers, on the last 2 or 3 versions of Kubuntu.
[21:11] <shane4ubuntu> DarthFrog: thanks, that was it.
[21:11] <len> I'm sure you could reproduce it.
[21:12] <gomiboy> len: not with file chooser... and i HAVE focus stealing prevention....
[21:12] <len> open a bunch of windows.  Then go to a web-based email.  I used Yahoo mail.  Try attaching more than once.
[21:13] <len> It happens to me no matter what kubuntu computer I used.
[21:13] <len> Happens to me mom and uncle too.
[21:16] <len> gomiboy, what are you using for focus stealing prevention.  Maybe it is keeping the browser from stealing the focus back from the choser before you even see it.
[21:21] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I can't seem to get Audacity to see my input, when I pull the external mic cable, the internal mic works fine, but I want the audio from a cassette tape, pluged into the mic input.
[21:21] <shane4ubuntu> once you quit laughing that I still own a cassette tape, and player, can you help me configure my input?
[21:22] <len> OK,  I've been opening and closing Chrome, and it opens in the background about 50% of the time.
[21:22] <shane4ubuntu> Usually in gnome, I have to mess around with the  sound thing, like kmix and get it setup, but seems more complex in KDE.
[21:23] <shane4ubuntu> or, maybe kmix keeps crashing?  my volume thing keeps disappearing.
[21:23] <gomiboy> len: i have focus stealing level set to high and a bunch of non-related rules
[21:23] <len> Or maybe it is just opening in the foreground for a split second before the previous fore program grabs back focus
[21:25] <gomiboy> shane4ubuntu: not an expert here, but shouldn't you plug it int he "line in" jack?
[21:26] <shane4ubuntu> gomiboy: I'm on a laptop, I have mic in, and phones out, thost are my options, line in would be better though.
[21:30] <len> gomiboy, That was it!  "Focus stealing prevention" doesn't work right.  It is set to "low" by default.  If I change it to "None" all my problems go away.
[21:31] <gomiboy> len: doh! strange... is low the default?
[21:32] <len> "Low" certainly shouldn't stop file chooser, or make newly launched programs start in the background sometimes, but it does.
[21:32] <len> It must be, because I've never changed it before, and, like I said I have this problem on all Kubuntu machines I've used.
[21:32] <shane4ubuntu> ok, inside sound and video configuration, under Audio Capture, there is communication and Accessibility, which should I try and set?
[21:33] <len> So, I guess this is a Kwin bug.
[21:33] <len> One that's been around a long time.
[21:34] <gomiboy> len: the help popup says someting about programs that don't have the "underlying mechanism".... chrome probabli doesn't
[21:35] <len> Dolphin is part of KDE though.
[21:36] <gomiboy> well if you see it in dolphin also, that's a bug :)
[21:37] <len> Only when Dolphin is called by another program to use as a file chooser.  I don't think it was opening in the background when lauched as a stand-alone app, but I wasn'
[21:37] <len> t really testing for that
[21:40] <gomiboy> len: that said, the default should have been set to "none" :/
[21:41] <James147> gomiboy: no, default focus stealing is low ^^ but that shouldnt stop applications from starting in the forgound
[21:42] <len> James147, It shouldn't, but it most definately does :)
[21:42] <James147> len: even on a new user?
[21:43] <gomiboy> James147: if there are applications that don't support the "underlying mechanism" (and there are...) they should have set it to none
[21:43] <len> I don't know, I just know that I've had this exact same problem on several different Kubuntu machines.
[21:44] <len> What is the "underlying mechanism?"
[21:44] <James147> gomiboy: the settings apply to the current window ^^ dosnt matter what window is being opened
[21:45] <James147> gomiboy: and I have had no problems with chromium opening in the background
[21:45] <James147> with it set to low
[21:46] <len> I've been using Chrome, not Chromium, but I have that installed too.
[21:46] <len> Thing is, it only opens Chrome in background SOME of the time with fsp set to low.
[21:46] <James147> len: does chromium?
[21:47] <len> I'll have to set it back to "low" to test.  Just a minute
[21:50] <len> Yes, it caused Chromium to open in background sometimes too.
[21:50] <len> I think I found the key
[21:50] <TeslaTony> If I install the kubuntu-desktop package, and uninstall the ubuntu-desktop package, will I upgrade to kubuntu 11.04 without installing Unity?
[21:51] <James147> TeslaTony: possibally ^^
[21:51] <len> It causes Chromium to open in background some of the time IF there are already more copies of Chromium open in the background.
[21:51] <len> or open period
[21:51] <TeslaTony> James147, basically I should try it and see what happens?
[21:52]  * TeslaTony chuckles
[21:52] <James147> TeslaTony: if you make sure gnome isnt installed after you remove ubuntu-desktop then it wont
[21:52] <amichair> I get that annoying open new windows un-focused thing as well, both with browsers and with dolphin (e.g. when opening a newly inserted usb disk from the notification - everytime it opens in background)
[21:52] <TeslaTony> James147: Gotcha, although I do find that situation a little odd. Thanks.
[21:53] <len> I always have multiple copies of programs open.
[21:54] <len> Must confuse the kwin focus stealing prevention algorithm somehow.
[23:04] <SabreWolfy> Question: How can I boot off a live USB (from the 32-bit desktop ISO) into the DESKTOP plasma workspace on *netbook*? The Live session always runs the NETBOOK workspace.
[23:12] <kubu2> why is 4.6.3 in ppa instead of say backports?
[23:14] <amichair> SabreWolfy: try changing the workspace in system settings
[23:14] <gomiboy> kubu2: kubuntu-ppa is for packages that will eventually go in ubuntu-updates, backports is for major releases, like kde 4.7 ecc...
[23:20] <kubu2> gomiboy: understand but the thing is there are other stuffs in there that you might not want
[23:23] <gomiboy> kubu2: what stuff? if you don't have it installed already it will not upgrade
[23:30] <SabreWolfy> areichman: Thx, just found it now :) wasn't in the same place mentioned by a website I found. Thx
[23:31] <SabreWolfy> amichair: oops -- message above for areichman was for you :)
[23:31] <amichair> SabreWolfy: glad it worked out :-)
[23:32] <SabreWolfy> amichair: giving Kubuntu Natty a spin :) Cheers
[23:36] <amichair> are there application presets for ufw available somewhere?
[23:36] <fiera_suburbana> Hello! I have a question: I 've installed Kubuntu 11.04. I need to share folders with samba. If I choose one from my home dir works fine, but I can't access with others from the filesystem (i.e /srv with correct permissions, etc), shared in the "properties dialog". Thanks!!
[23:40] <darthanubis> fiera_suburbana: permissions?
[23:40] <fiera_suburbana> I think permissions are correct.
[23:42] <fiera_suburbana> Should I edit smb.conf?
[23:43] <darthanubis> personally I wouldn't
[23:44] <introuble>  how sms are broadcasted by networks. can anyone send sms to cell phone without using a network's broadcast center number?
[23:57] <Matisse> where does (adobe) flashplayer-plugin put the buffered video data? some time ago, you could find videos in /tmp ...