[06:35] <UndiFineD> alright, hajour is on her way to AMS airport
[10:05] <hypatia> hey does anyone in the channel know about braille displays?
[10:06] <hypatia> specifically, i'm curious about what non-alpha characters they display
[10:07] <hypatia> and non-contractions
[10:21] <MrChrisDruif> hypatia: Sorry, I've only come to this channel to help the team/keep a check on it. I can't help you :(
[10:22] <hypatia> that's alright, thanks MrChrisDruif  :)
[10:24] <MrChrisDruif> hypatia: Just letting you know this channel isn't "dead"
[10:25] <MrChrisDruif> But as I understand it, you are blind hypatia ?
[10:26] <Pendulum> hypatia: TheMuso might know. He'll be at UDS
[10:26] <hypatia> Pendulum: yay
[10:26] <hypatia> MrChrisDruif: i'm sighted, and i want to build a testing interface so that sighted devs can test braille console stuff
[10:27] <hypatia> the idea is that 1) most sighted devs don't know braille and 2) braille displays are expensive
[10:27] <MrChrisDruif> That would seem true
[10:27] <hypatia> so i want to build a braille display emulator for sighted use
[10:28] <hypatia> basically an arduino and an lcd display
[10:29] <MrChrisDruif> How would that work?
[10:30] <hypatia> well, right now, you boot into a brtty console and it plays braille on your braille display
[10:31] <hypatia> the user who knows braille reads the braille display
[10:31] <hypatia> this would emulate the braille display
[10:31] <hypatia> but instead of dots, would translate the braille to letters on an LCD display
[10:31] <hypatia> it came from wanting to work on a brtty bug
[10:32] <hypatia> i have access to a braille display (belongs to a friend, she's happy to lend it to me)
[10:32] <hypatia> but then i remembered i've forgotten braille
[10:32] <hypatia> (i taught myself braille in grade 4 for reasons i don't recall)
[10:32]  * MrChrisDruif never learned braille :(
[10:33] <hypatia> but this resulted in the idea of a braille display emulator
[10:33] <hypatia> which would cost <$100 and enable sighted users to work on brtty bugs
[10:33] <hypatia> or any braille terminal related bugs
[10:33] <hypatia> does that make any more sense? :)
[10:34] <MrChrisDruif> So....it's an emulator/translator....for something that was originally text already?
[10:35] <hypatia> hmm this brings up a good point
[10:36] <hypatia> i wonder if one could just connect the output from brtty to a terminal emulator of another type
[10:36] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[10:37] <hypatia> oooh
[10:37] <hypatia> http://mielke.cc/brltty/doc/drivers/index.html
[10:54] <hypatia> it is likely that i need to learn more about braille displays in order to be able to spec out this project
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> Good luck with that :)
[11:00] <hypatia> thanks, MrChrisDruif 
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[11:11] <AlanBell> 2/58
[11:20] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell: What?
[11:21] <AlanBell> oh, sorry was just switching to window 58!
[11:22] <AlanBell> hypatia: I have been talking to some of the various on-screen keyboard developers to see which ones have multi-touch and steno layouts on the roadmap
[13:49] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, what about Daniel0108 ?
[13:52] <AlanBell> not sure what you mean UndiFineD?
[13:53] <UndiFineD> Daniel works on Touchlay
[13:53] <UndiFineD> so he might something there
[13:53] <UndiFineD> *have
[15:49] <webczat> What things are currently ... inaccessible in unity?
[16:24] <webczat> How do you get to the indicator from a keyboard?
[16:25] <AlanBell> alt+f1 gets keyboard focus on the unity sidebar
[16:25] <AlanBell> then you can go up and down, and right to pop out a little menu by each option
[16:27] <webczat> I'm not in unity but in the gnome2 thing. Not only because I heart unity is inaccessible or not as accessible as it should, but also because I don't have 3d.
[16:27] <webczat> like not yet
[16:41] <webczat> No idea? using an arrow key (right/left) actually makes me unable to leave the panel at all!
[16:42] <webczat> unless I click the indicator applet and escape
[17:36] <hajour> UndiFineD, 
[17:36] <hajour> i am arrived
[17:36] <Pendulum> hajour: glad you got there safely :)
[17:37] <hajour> i had delay almost mist the next plain.and they lost my bags
[17:37] <Daniel0108> hi hajour! :)
[17:37] <Daniel0108> I'm in budapest, hajour
[17:38] <hajour> a ok :)
[17:38] <hajour> great Daniel0108 
[17:39] <Daniel0108> hajour: where are you?
[17:39] <Daniel0108> afk, dinner :P
[17:39] <hajour> in the hall
[17:39] <Daniel0108> oh, I'm in the Agape Hotel :P
[17:39] <Daniel0108> bye now :)
[18:23] <UndiFineD> hoi hajour 
[18:30] <hajour> hi ...