[00:08] <HazRPG> hmm, someone sent me a message on YouTube about one of my videos it seems!
[01:06] <HazRPG> hmm, my minecraft server died... that can't be good
[01:08] <hamitron> died?
[01:08] <HazRPG> yeah
[01:08] <hamitron> like the full server is dead?
[01:08] <HazRPG> the actual server itself is fine
[01:08] <hamitron> or just mc
[01:08] <hamitron> ah :)
[01:08] <HazRPG> just mc died
[01:09] <HazRPG> can't seem to figure out why it conked itself out though
[01:09] <hamitron> it does it to draw attention from the admin, to avoid it been left unattended..... a feature
[01:10] <HazRPG> ah, is that ubuntu feature? Or minecraft?
[01:10] <hamitron> mc
[01:10] <HazRPG> hmm
[01:10] <hamitron> teh webby says the server is unstable
[01:10] <hamitron> :D
[01:10] <HazRPG> but I have a gmap script constantly interacting with it
[01:11] <hamitron> have you fixed the memory it uses?
[01:11] <HazRPG> yeah
[01:16] <HazRPG> might just do a 4 hourly check to make sure its still running
[01:31] <HazRPG> woop!
[01:31] <HazRPG> grep -c is perfect!
[01:31] <HazRPG> (so glad I'm getting into the habit of checking the man pages xD)
[01:42] <HazRPG> well this works so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/604649/
[02:29] <ali1234> no
[02:29] <ali1234> use upstart
[02:41] <HazRPG> ?
[02:41] <HazRPG> never done anything with upstart
[02:42] <HazRPG> beside I though /etc/init.d/ should have kept it running anyways :S
[02:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: I don't know how to convert my script to upstart :(
[04:29] <Bulldog> im having an annoying issue over here ;/
[04:30] <Bulldog> i removed fglrx and installed ati drivers  then it rebooted and now gnome session wont load
[05:17] <mikefmail10> Hello
[05:18] <Bulldog> hi?
[05:22] <mikefmail10> Just installed this irc client and I am still finding my way around it.
[05:31] <mikefmail10> Have been using Ubuntu for quite a while now. I think that it is brilliant, much better than anything Windows has to offer.
[05:32] <Bulldog> that is true
[05:46] <HazRPG> it is :3
[05:49] <HazRPG> Bulldog: I'd help you out with your graphics problems, but I've never dealt with ATI stuff before
[05:50] <HazRPG> might be worth trying to see if an older version of the ATI drivers work better though (or newer)
[05:50] <Bulldog> HazRPG im doing a new install of ubuntu
[05:51] <Bulldog> graphics was fine  its just gnome 3 doesnt liek them
[05:51] <Bulldog> like*
[05:56] <HazRPG> ah
[05:57] <HazRPG> weird
[05:59] <Bulldog> might put the open ati driver on instead of fglrx  and see how well they run
[06:01] <Bulldog> i hate how unity is laid out
[09:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[09:38] <Bulldog> can i install a gnome 3 environment  while keeping a gnome 2 session ?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> No idea. Don't think so though
[09:41] <Bulldog> hmm
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> What happened when you tried :P
[09:42] <Bulldog> i havnt yet  but gnome 3 was a bit glitchy so i wanted to have both sessions so i can test with out it messing up again
[09:50] <Bulldog> MartijnVds  what if i add another user ?  could i have gnome2 on one and 3 on other
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> Bulldog: it all depends on the packaging
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> Bulldog: not on the number of users you're using
[09:52] <Bulldog> hmm im gonna have a try
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> good luck
[10:01] <Bulldog> hmm there must be a way because u can have  no effect mode / safe mode ect..
[10:02] <KrimZon> in lucid, I added the session indicator applet to my panel and it worked at first, but then having rebooted it no longer hooks up to pidgin properly and just shows me as being offline
[10:04] <Bulldog> try backing up /home/"user"/.purple/"accountsfile"   then uninstall pidgin  reinstall   then put the accounts file back   try a reboot and see if it works ?
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:20] <jibadeeha> hi brobostigon
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning jibadeeha :)
[10:21] <jibadeeha> i need my second cup of coffee - too early
[10:22] <brobostigon> no.
[10:29] <Bulldog> think i figured it out MartijnVdS
[10:46] <brobostigon> gpu lockup, :(
[10:49] <sdh> :(
[10:49] <Bulldog> grr all media players are playing audio and video at like x20 the normal speed with no sound
[10:53] <Bulldog> something is wrong with gstreamer ;/
[11:07] <Bulldog> whats the difference between the ati linux driver on the website and the Fglrx driver ubuntu offers
[11:10] <jacobw> ubuntu just packages the driver as released by ati
[11:10] <jacobw> there can't be any source differences because ati's driver is closed source
[11:11] <jacobw> however, there's a open source driver called 'radeon' included in recent ubuntu releases
[11:16] <Bulldog> ok
[11:22] <Psychobudgie> Bulldog, you can't have both gnome2 and gnome3 installed at the same time, you can however try gnome3 in a virtual machine
[11:23] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: gnome-session was fixed yesterday, to allow starting of other options at hdm thn just gnome-shell.
[11:24] <brobostigon> gdm*
[11:24] <Psychobudgie> it's not about selecting it
[11:24] <Psychobudgie> as far as I'm aware
[11:24] <Bulldog> i figured that if i build gnome3 then i can replace the session when i want to use it
[11:25] <krashan> Can anybody help me? I have a quite a large problem>.<
[11:25] <Psychobudgie> As I understand it you would have to uninstall gnome 3 completely and reinstall gnome 2 every time you switch
[11:26] <brobostigon> however, to the point, gnome-session is now fixed, as of yesterday, so you canstart unity 3d/unity 2d, aswell as gnome-shell.
[11:27] <Bulldog> hmm
[11:28] <krashan> I installed the updated version of ubuntu (Think its 11.something something) And now when i open a firefox window amongst other things it turns white... As well with the idle screen is completely white...
[11:28] <Psychobudgie> I'm quite happy leaving unity in the bin, but that's another story
[11:29] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: me too, but i said i would report back, when gnome-session was fixed to allow for it.
[11:29] <Bulldog> well if i gnome-shell --replace  when i want to use gnome3  then can have gnome2 installed as well
[11:30] <Psychobudgie> try it, but my money is on it not working and probably trashing your system
[11:31] <jacobw> you won't trash your system
[11:31] <Bulldog> ok  its a fresh install so testing purposes
[11:31] <jacobw> this isn't windows
[11:31] <Bulldog> lol
[11:31] <krashan> Are you guys talking to me?O.O
[11:32] <Bulldog> no ...  but am now
[11:32] <Psychobudgie> oh believe me, when it comes to unity/gnome2 and gnome 3 switching it's easy to lose track of what's broken and easier at that point to clean install
[11:32] <krashan> Thanks:D
[11:32] <Psychobudgie> lol
[11:32] <Bulldog> yeah my other sessions broke last time had to reinstall 11.04
[11:33] <Psychobudgie> this fantasy that reinstall is something that only ever happens in windows is just that
[11:33] <popey> krashan: might be better asking in #ubuntu
[11:33] <krashan> Alr
[11:33] <jacobw> krashan: did you do a fresh install or upgrade from a previous version?
[11:33] <krashan> No i did not:)
[11:33] <popey> Psychobudgie: not for everyone
[11:34] <krashan> I dont have any more cds to freshly install ubuntu>.<
[11:34] <Psychobudgie> I never said it was, I know of systems that have been running windows xp for years without issues but others that need reinstalling after days
[11:34] <Psychobudgie> that's my point
[11:34] <Bulldog> use a usb then  krashan
[11:35] <krashan> Alright... Though i have tryed that before but it did not seem to work...
[11:35] <krashan> Could not find the usb and boot from it
[11:35] <jacobw> to create a live usb you need to use liveusb-creator
[11:35] <Bulldog> if you bios can boot from usb  then use unetbootin to load a iso to usb
[11:36] <krashan> Unetbootin?
[11:36] <krashan> Hmm could try that
[11:36] <Bulldog> i fid unetbootin to work better than liveusb
[11:36] <Bulldog> find*
[11:36] <jacobw> krashan: have you updated since upgrading to 11.04, if not you may want to try that
[11:37] <krashan> Alright ill just try:)
[11:37] <popey> Bulldog: ditto
[11:39] <krashan> I could not find any updates to it>.<
[11:40] <krashan> Is there a way to repair ubuntu? Like a fresh boot ?
[11:40] <Bulldog> yeah
[11:40] <Bulldog> reinstall ;)
[11:40] <jacobw> :|
[11:41] <krashan> Danmit>.<
[11:41] <brobostigon> krashan: repair, define what broken, to want to repaair?
[11:41] <jacobw> krashan: so, when you start firefox it is just a white box?
[11:41] <Bulldog> guess u could delete all files u put on there remove all packages u installed   but thats lot work
[11:42] <jacobw> krashan: and the screensaver is just white was well?
[11:42] <krashan> Well what is broken is the firefox.... and a couple of applications that just turns white.. and screeensaver as well:)
[11:43] <jacobw> krashan: this sounds like a bug in your graphics driver
[11:43] <Bulldog> graphics or flash problem
[11:43] <awilkins> Which screensaver do you have configured - sounds like an OpenGL thing
[11:43] <krashan> Hmm...
[11:43] <brobostigon> krashan: can you be more specific, white, ok, the wholewindow including the window controls? ir just the main part of the window?
[11:43] <jacobw> krashan: what graphics card are you using?
[11:43] <awilkins> And which driver for it?
[11:44] <jacobw> Bulldog: i'd say it was graphics problem seen as its not limited to firefox
[11:45] <krashan> The white screen is with no buttons and im using a  nvidia graphics c ard a 125mb(or whatever mb counts froe a 100 mb graphics cards)
[11:46] <Bulldog> you using the default driver ?
[11:46] <awilkins> krashan, Are you using the default OSS "nv" driver or the proprietary one?
[11:46] <brobostigon> if its a graphics issue, wouldnt errorspop up in xorg's logs?
[11:46] <popey> we ship nouveau not nv these days
[11:46] <awilkins> popey, 'pologies
[11:46] <brobostigon> awilkins: or nouveau?
[11:47] <krashan> Im trying to install a old versxion of the graphics card driver:)
[11:47] <krashan> Cross your fingers...;)
[11:47]  * Bulldog crosses his finger toes and eyes  for extra luck
[11:48]  * Psychobudgie crosses his ears
[11:48] <awilkins> If it's an nvidia card with ~100MB of RAM it's fairly old
[11:48] <krashan> *Cough cough* I dont know what your talking about*Wishels*
[11:49] <awilkins> I have a GF4MX mobo chipset (shared system RAM) powering my HTPC box, no shame in old
[11:50] <jacobw> `lsmod` shows you what kernel modules are loaded
[11:52] <krashan> IT WORKED!:D FUCK YEA!:D THANKS EVERYONE!:D
[11:52] <jacobw> !language
[11:52] <krashan> Sorry>.<
[11:52] <jacobw> it's not a problem this time though :P
[11:53] <jacobw> i wonder how he's tested it works :|
[11:53] <awilkins> No longer draws white boxes instead of apps?
[11:53] <Bulldog> firefox prob works again .....
[11:55] <awilkins> I have to say, I can't remember having a positive experience with an OSS GPU driver... which I blame more on the dogs at nvidia and AMD, but it's still not the best default experience...
[11:59] <jacobw> i've found radeon better than fglrx
[12:00] <Bulldog> i like fglrx the best   the default driver doesnt run 3d acceleration     but i wanna use gnome 3  ad it doesnt like fglrx :(
[12:02] <jacobw> fglrx has bugs that haven't been fixed for years, radeon keep fixing its bugs and improving
[12:03] <Bulldog> yeah but i cant play games with the default driver
[12:03] <jacobw> what games are these out of interest?
[12:04] <Bulldog> mainly play AoE3  but i also install other games like call of duty  sims ect..
[12:05] <awilkins> I just boot Windows for games.
[12:05] <ging> minecraft not enough for you?
[12:05] <jacobw> i'm not a gamer so i can't comment
[12:06] <Bulldog> i dont like to disgrace my computer by booting into windows
[12:06] <awilkins> I don't have time for minecraft. I realised this after building a secret underground lair with an exit in a small cabin on a tropical island.
[12:06] <Bulldog> lmao
[12:07] <Bulldog> dont you have to pay for mine craft ?
[12:07] <awilkins> One-off payment of $10 or something when I bought it
[12:08] <Bulldog> why buy it  it has no point   i thought it was just put and remove blocks o.O
[12:08] <awilkins> Why buy lego, it's just put and remove blocks
[12:09] <Bulldog> i didnt
[12:09] <jacobw> why play computer games? its just put and remove bits :p
[12:09] <awilkins> It's a toy, one that's not limited by the constraints of real world rules
[12:09] <awilkins> A giant animatronic construction toy
[12:09] <Bulldog> that would be a excuse for WoW
[12:09] <jacobw> hi hamitron
[12:10] <hamitron> hi guys
[12:10] <hamitron> games are fun!
[12:10] <awilkins> I find MMOs like that because I'm socially stunted
[12:10] <hamitron> all I have to say
[12:10] <hamitron> :D
[12:10] <jacobw> they are, i'm using reducto ad absudium :p
[12:10] <Bulldog> i mainly play black ops online  i find other games pointless because they are to easy
[12:10] <hamitron> dunno wtf you are on about, but ok ;)
[12:11] <awilkins> MMOs are social networks with orks
[12:11] <jacobw> lol
[12:11] <awilkins> I used to play EVE and quite enjoyed the social side of it, hanging with people I used to chat to on gaming forums
[12:12] <awilkins> I also, for some inexplicable reason, find space mining really soothing
[12:12]  * hamitron likes MMO for the player vs player aspect.... humans are unpredictable and cry when you beat them
[12:12] <awilkins> Something about the whooshing of that orange mining beam, collecting valuable ores....
[12:12] <hamitron> yeh
[12:12] <awilkins> (* for given value of "valuable magnetic domain on a server in Iceland")
[12:13] <hamitron> i also like mining in eve
[12:13] <hamitron> but I also like the risk factor
[12:13] <awilkins> Actually, I think the servers may be in London
[12:13] <hamitron> :)
[12:13] <hamitron> in eve, you don't have a button saying "let nobody shoot me"
[12:13] <hamitron> like in WoW
[12:13] <awilkins> Yeah, losing your multimillion ISK mining vessel was always tense
[12:14] <hamitron> I lost about 520 million last time :/
[12:14] <awilkins> I used to wing it and mine the really valuable stuff in deep 0.0 using a crappy Osprey and get away with it unescorted because no-one thought you'd be dumb enough to do that.
[12:14] <hamitron> hehe
[12:15] <hamitron> the cormorant was ok for that too
[12:16]  * awilkins wonders if he should speculatively register some domains that seem to be free just because he *might* use them one day
[12:17] <hamitron> I have 1 name
[12:17] <hamitron> :)
[12:17] <awilkins> Same name, different TLDs
[12:17] <hamitron> yeh
[12:17] <hamitron> I got this idea for a project in my head
[12:18] <hamitron> but not got enough understanding to make it
[12:18] <hamitron> so working towards it
[12:18]  * awilkins signs a virtual NDA
[12:18] <awilkins> What's the idea?
[12:18] <hamitron> a racing game, but just different
[12:18] <awilkins> Alas, my games programming is non existent
[12:19] <hamitron> but I see nothing like my idea done
[12:19] <awilkins> Currently struggling to motivate self to write a Key/Value store frontend for git
[12:20] <awilkins> So much struggling that currently 30 minutes aerobic torture on the rowing machine seems appealing
[12:20] <hamitron> hehe
[12:21] <hamitron> I'm gradually moving away from IT with work
[12:21] <hamitron> which I want to do
[12:21] <hamitron> then intend to re-ignite my thirst for computing
[12:21] <hamitron> it is starting to come back now tbh :)
[12:22] <hamitron> but working ya ass off fixing other peoples problems all day, really puts me off working out other problems on a night
[12:22] <hamitron> :/
[12:22] <awilkins> I know THAT feeling
[12:23] <awilkins> I have a hard time motivating myself to fix their stupid problems during the DAY
[12:23] <hamitron> yeh, haha
[12:23] <Bulldog> "i want to have a robot body so i can live forever"   "yeah but knowing your luck it will be powered by windows vista"
[12:23] <awilkins> The problems at the moment are all very self-inflicted - they ignored me when I said (2 years ago) ; this software (we bought in) is cra, please throw it away and we'll have something better in 6 months.
[12:23] <hamitron> on friday, I had to fix an RJ45 connector that had pulled itself off the cable
[12:24] <hamitron> ¬¬
[12:24] <awilkins> Those damn self-motile RJ45 plugs
[12:24] <awilkins> What were they thinking, not making them out of *inert* plastic
[12:25] <hamitron> as people get more IT literate, I swear they seem to be getting more stupid
[12:25] <Bulldog> "what can we make these out of  "  "erm lets see what scrap i have in this box"
[12:25] <hamitron> at least when the average user was wary of technology, they were put off from touching it
[12:25] <hamitron> messing, breaking
[12:26] <hamitron> what had really happened I reckon, a member of staff had moved the server, thinking they would save calling me out for a fee
[12:27] <awilkins> When I have an IT problem it's usually either i) Stupid password policy meant that I changed my password to something absurdly secure and forget it 5 minutes later
[12:27] <hamitron> haha
[12:27]  * hamitron pats his notepad
[12:27] <awilkins> Or ii) Something Really Bad caused by Meddling Where I'm Not Wanted
[12:27]  * jacobw also pats hamitron's notepad ;)
[12:27] <hamitron> hands off!
[12:28] <hamitron> ;/
[12:28] <jacobw> use `apg`
[12:28] <awilkins> I was thinking of getting one of those OTP generator things
[12:28] <awilkins> Yubikey or something
[12:28] <hamitron> apg?
[12:28] <awilkins> A Password Generator?
[12:28] <jacobw> `sudo apt-get install apg`
[12:28] <jacobw> it generates phonetically memorable passwords
[12:29] <hamitron> I just use a random gen :/
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> pwgen -s
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:29] <hamitron> main problems are: Typing errors + Reading my own handwriting
[12:29] <jacobw> e.g.
[12:30] <jacobw> Told5quo (Told-FIVE-quo)
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: so does pwgen
[12:30] <hamitron> is it not more secure to have a totally random password?
[12:30] <hamitron> ;)
[12:30] <awilkins> I pick song lyrics and mangle them as per my own internal password mangling algorithm
[12:31] <awilkins> Makes for passwords that are at least long
[12:32] <hamitron> gawwwwwwwwwwwd
[12:32] <hamitron> glad I am getting out of it
[12:32] <hamitron> :D
[12:32] <awilkins> Our stooopid email password thing has an UPPER limit of 14 chars
[12:32] <jacobw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9943718&postcount=16
[12:32] <jacobw> this is cool as well
[12:32] <hamitron> length limits are a pain
[12:32] <hamitron> :/
[12:32] <awilkins> But if you enter more than 14, it truncates them silently. So you end up locked out fairly easily
[12:33] <hamitron> also, certain weird requirements on some sites
[12:35] <awilkins> I wanted a PAM module that uses scancodes, not chars ... the <del> in the middle? That's part of your password.
[12:35] <awilkins> Guess that, password cruncher!
[12:36] <hamitron> Ih8<Del>tree
[12:44] <jacobw> what are you getting out of hamitron ?
[12:44] <hamitron> IT
[12:45] <hamitron> wanted to do more hands on engineering for a while
[12:46] <hamitron> still not found what I will do long term though
[12:46] <hamitron> gotta do what work there is atm
[12:47] <Bulldog> there is no work here except cleaning o.O
[12:47] <awilkins> So, who's recommended as domain registrar?
[12:47] <hamitron> I use 1and1
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> gandi.net
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> (they're quite opensource-friendly)
[12:48] <hamitron> I just set my dns and leave it
[12:48] <hamitron> :D
[12:48] <awilkins> It it just me, or are you really reluctant to search for domain names on the front page of registrars, in case that domain shows up parked the next day?
[12:48] <hamitron> hehe, yeh
[12:48] <hamitron> I stick to getdotted.com for that reason, for searching
[12:49] <hamitron> everything I search on there never seems to get registered, so I stick to it
[12:49] <hamitron> but I'm sure there are plenty that wouldn't do that
[12:49] <Bulldog> maybe theres a reason noone wants it.  what you searching for lol
[12:50] <czajkowski> hmm  not liking dr. who so far :(
[12:50] <hamitron> most first choices are taken :/
[12:50] <hamitron> DON'T SAY ANYTHING  czajkowski
[12:50] <hamitron> plz
[12:50] <hamitron> I got it recorded :/
[12:51] <czajkowski> hamitron: say please  properly and not sms speak so
[12:51] <hamitron> please
[12:51] <hamitron> :)
[12:51] <czajkowski> fine
[12:51] <hamitron> thanks :D
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: next week will be better (Neil Gaiman's episode)
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> *CAN'T WAIT*
[12:51] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: mutters cant comment hamitron said please
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: go watch now, so we can talk again in here :P
[12:52] <hamitron> haha
[12:52] <hamitron> I'll be watching later, when everyone else in the house is
[12:53] <hamitron> I should maybe get a tv
[12:54] <hamitron> 5 computer screens + a tv would just push my desk space over the edge
[12:54] <hamitron> :/
[12:54]  * MartijnVdS has a 42" TV in the living room to watch BBC (One) HD on :)
[12:54] <awilkins> I could stream it as ASCII art to the IRC channel..... (dammit, excess flood)
[12:54] <hamitron> my parents is only 40"
[12:54] <hamitron> :/
[12:55] <hamitron> non-HD
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Also, C4 HD (\o/), ITV 1 HD (why?!)
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Freesat++
[12:55] <hamitron> why what?
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I haven't seen anything I want to watch on ITV yet :)
[12:56] <hamitron> I prefer ITV to BBC
[12:56] <hamitron> :/
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I only watch Top Gear, QI and Doctor WHo
[12:56] <hamitron> Top Gear, Doctor Who and F1
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> ah and F1
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> good idea
[12:56] <hamitron> that is about it
[12:56] <hamitron> I prefer ITV news
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> I watch the Dutch news, usually :)
[12:58] <hamitron> I'll be dropping F1 at this rate
[12:58] <hamitron> just bored with it
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> It's great background tv
[12:58] <hamitron> Motorsport UK on ITV I find better
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> when cleaning
[12:58] <hamitron> :)
[12:59] <hamitron> ITV 4 I mean
[12:59] <mang0> ello ello
[12:59] <hamitron> hi
[12:59] <hamitron> :)
[13:00] <mang0> I'm trying to get nvidia drivers to work
[13:00] <mang0> but they don't seem to want too :/
[13:00] <hamitron> what card you got?
[13:00] <mang0> nVidia Geforce FX 5200
[13:01] <mang0> fairly old
[13:01] <hamitron> you are using the 96 driver then?
[13:01] <mang0> but basically, in the additional drivers thing, it had nvidia drivers. I installed it, and restarted, but it says that its installed but not in use
[13:03] <hamitron> hmmm
[13:04] <hamitron> I'm not on a ubuntu machine atm :/
[13:04] <mang0> :S
[13:07] <mang0> hamitron: http://www.truploader.com/view/321986
[13:08] <hamitron> hmmm
[13:08] <Bulldog> gnome3 is taking ages to build o.O
[13:09] <hamitron> well, 173 series driver should be fine
[13:10] <mang0> yeah, hamitron they are installed, but deciding not to enable
[13:11] <mang0> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/5/12708042020-orig.png thats what I see in the xconfg file in terminal
[13:14] <hamitron> I've had a quick search, not found a solution yet
[13:14] <hamitron> I have to leave I'm afraid
[13:14] <hamitron> so hopefully someone else can help
[13:14] <hamitron> :/
[13:14] <mang0> :/ okay, cya :) thanks for looking
[13:14] <hamitron> I'll look later if it isn't sorted then
[13:15] <mang0> thanks
[13:15] <hamitron> :)) good luck o/
[13:15] <mang0> I was about to ask if you are in UK
[13:15] <mang0> but obv
[13:15] <mang0> haha
[13:15] <jacobw> Bulldog: it will, its a massive set of programs
[13:15] <jacobw> Bulldog: most people would use the PPA.. ;)
[13:16] <Bulldog> jacobw yeah but i want to have gnome 2 and 3
[13:17] <mang0> just gonna reboot hold on
[13:18] <Bulldog> jacobw if you use ppa it updates the gnome-shell so you can use both
[13:18] <Bulldog> cant*
[13:25] <Bulldog> :D it works
[13:26] <Bulldog> i can just --replace with the gnome3 shell and gnome 2 shell
[13:35] <Bulldog> its a mix of gnome 3 and 2  so i get the desktop icons as well
[14:00] <mang0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10786637#post10786637
[14:00] <mang0> elp!
[14:05] <Bulldog> mang0  on the login screen is you will have a drop down bar to choose a session   make your its on unity
[14:05] <Bulldog> make sure *** :S
[14:06] <mang0> I didn't see unity listed there, I'll check in a minute though
[14:06] <Bulldog> kk
[14:28] <Bulldog> "im not drinking and driving ... im driving while im drinking so its not illegal"
[14:56] <Guest90902> hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thans in advance
[14:57] <Azelphur> Anyone here using Unity tell me if the Window decoration plugin is supposed to be enabled?
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: gord knows
[15:00] <Azelphur> I'm having a distinct lack of window decorations without it, but when I enable it it messes up unity :(
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in what way
[15:01] <Azelphur> the top panel just goes black.
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> even after logging out and back in?
[15:01] <Azelphur> yes
[15:01] <Azelphur> and restarting unity
[15:01] <Azelphur> if I turn off window decorations the top panel works, but I have no decorations xD
[15:02] <Azelphur> It does seem to be an entirely cosmetic glitch, if I guess where the buttons are on the top panel I can click them fine
[15:26]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[15:27] <mang0> How do I exit the X server?
[15:27] <mang0> I need to, for a driver installation
[15:27] <popey> Azelphur: window decoration is enabled on my machine by default
[15:27] <popey> mang0: sudo service gdm stop
[15:27] <popey> which will kill your x session
[15:27] <popey> and log you out
[15:27] <mang0> kk
[15:27] <davmor2> popey: 'Ow do
[15:27] <popey> lo
[15:29] <popey> Azelphur: http://0WWwH
[15:29] <popey> bah
[15:29] <popey> Azelphur: http://imgur.com/0WWwH
[15:30]  * davmor2 is currently enjoying a huge costa coffee, thinks he might need it not getting to budapest till 22:20 plus 40 mins to hotel + getting bag could be a long day
[15:35] <Azelphur> popey, fun, ty
[15:37] <Azelphur> there, fixed :D
[15:38] <Azelphur> enabled window decoration and relogged, seems to be alive now
[15:39] <davmor2> popey: hows the super hub, and does it cover your dyndns?
[15:39] <popey> davmor2: great, it doesnt do dyndns, so i have ddclient on a box inside the lan
[15:40] <popey> it also doesnt seem to let you set dns servers
[15:40] <davmor2> popey: no justs ping your account every so often to save you having to refresh your account
[15:41] <popey> no
[15:41] <popey> i have installed ddclient
[15:41] <popey> so i dont need to do anything at all
[15:41] <davmor2> popey: there is also a dyndns package
[15:41] <popey> its okay, i have ddclient
[15:41] <davmor2> I forgot the it
[15:41] <davmor2> no it just pings.....
[15:43] <davmor2> popey: sorry the superhub doesn't, not ddclient I misread your comment
[15:43] <Azelphur> I don't think this is meant to be possible, I got unity + compiz cube :D
[15:43] <Azelphur> (good thing)
[15:43] <davmor2> Azelphur: nope that is fine
[15:43] <Azelphur> I thought it was blocked?
[15:44] <davmor2> Azelphur: no just doesn't make much sense to a new user from what I understood
[15:45] <Azelphur> ok :p
[15:45] <Azelphur> It wasn't long ago I was fighting with it because unity depends on desktop wall which conflicts with desktop cube
[15:47] <Azelphur> davmor2, yea, I can't do it on my netbook :p
[15:48] <Azelphur> Desktop Wall provides the feature largedesktop which is required by the plugins "Ubuntu Unity Plugin"
[15:48] <Azelphur> wait, that's stupid :s
[15:49] <Azelphur> Plugin Desktop Wall provides feature largedesktop which is also provided by Desktop Cube
[15:49] <Azelphur> so then why is it complaining that largedesktop is required by unity when cube provides it, argh :p
[15:50] <davmor2> Azelphur: blame gord ;) works for me :D
[15:50]  * Azelphur blames gord :P
[15:52] <Azelphur> davmor2, and now I'm getting the same panel drawing issues on my netbook, clearly unity doesn't like cube at all :D
[15:57] <davmor2> Azelphur: man any one would think you thought unity was there for customisation man ;)
[15:57] <davmor2> Azelphur: just change the backdrop and get on with life :D
[15:57] <Azelphur> haha :D
[15:57] <Azelphur> I like unity and customization, I'm making it happen :D
[15:58] <Azelphur> I've more or less got it working on my netbook, looks kinda cool the unity menu stays static while the cube rotates inside it
[15:59] <davmor2> Azelphur: yeah that sounds right
[16:00] <Azelphur> lol, it looks like compiz mouse grabbing doesn't work, I can only rotate the cube within the bounds of my display
[16:00] <Azelphur> once the invisible mouse pointer hits the edge of the screen I can't rotate the cube any more D:
[16:00] <Azelphur> oh wait, that's just a synergy quirk.
[16:01] <Azelphur> yep, got it working flawlessly on my netbook now :P
[16:02] <davmor2> Azelphur: Yay! you 1337 hacker you :D
[16:06] <Azelphur> davmor2, you should have seen what I did the other day, I ordered some parts from wcuk, and the total came to £13.37 http://bit.ly/lm7Aza :p
[16:06] <davmor2> haha
[16:46] <ocean_> hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thanks in advance
[16:46] <Guest67286> hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thanks in advance
[16:50] <penguin42> Guest67286: Did you try the rescue/recovery option on the grub menu?
[16:51] <Guest67286> penguin42, no i havent done that, can u explain me how to do it
[16:51] <Guest67286> thanks
[16:51] <penguin42> Guest67286: Can you get the grub menu up?
[16:52] <Guest67286> penguin42, yes it comes up with grub initially
[16:52] <penguin42> Guest67286: OK, i think the option 2nd down on that menu is rescue/recovery or something similar
[16:53] <Guest67286> penguin42, yes i have seen that. what can i do after selcting that option, is it command line?
[16:53] <penguin42> Guest67286: I can't remember to be honest, but it should at least give you some more diagnostics rather than a black screen if you are lucky
[16:54] <Guest67286> penguin42, i thought rescue mode is command line from where u can operate ubuntu
[16:55] <penguin42> Guest67286: Well the important thing is to find out why there is a black screen, if you are lucky it will display more information there - I think the rescue mode doesn't use th e pretty splash screne etc - it just displays the info
[16:56] <Guest67286> penguin42, i think it is the problem with the switchable graphics
[16:58] <Guest67286> .
[16:58] <penguin42> yes that's possible
[16:59] <Guest67286> penguin42, rescue mode does it boot up with GUI
[17:18] <Guest43043>  hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thanks in advance
[17:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Banishing the demons of distraction - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/05/08/banishing-the-demons-of-distraction/
[17:27]  * dutchie notes that despite that blog post there is still a daubers on irc :P
[17:28]  * DJones points out to dutchie that daubers _IS_ the distraction :)
[17:31]  * brobostigon likes daubers's choice of wordpress theme.
[17:40] <gord> bout ready to go home now, uds doesn't really need unity sessions right?
[17:41] <popey> :)
[17:43] <Azelphur> popey, this inspiron duo is going to be such a bucket of fun :D
[17:43] <popey> is that sarcasm?
[17:43] <Azelphur> kernel panics, headphone don't work, touch screen don't work, advanced touch pad features don't work xD
[17:43] <gord> evolution is claiming folders i have which i know have lots of mail, have non. i am inclined to believe it is lying
[17:44] <Azelphur> popey, a little, but I do see it as a learning opportunity :D
[17:44] <Azelphur> do you have any new suggestions on what I should do to capture the kernel panic log?
[17:44] <Azelphur> I've been asking around and havn't got any answers :(
[17:49] <XenoPhoenix> Does anybody know what might be causing green video since the 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade? Goes away when I replug the display, but if I turn the display off and back on again afterwards it's green again :/
[17:51] <brobostigon> ok, opinions, debian stable/testing or unstable/sid, or  ubuntu 10.04 lts or 11.04, for vps. now debian sid is a definate bad idea, aswould testing, i reckon. any ideas, on guidance, please.
[17:53] <XenoPhoenix> what Virtualisation technology is the VPS using? ubuntu-ec2 kernel is good for xen
[17:54] <brobostigon> XenoPhoenix: bitfolk, so xen.
[17:54] <XenoPhoenix> I had good experiances with LTS on xen, very stable / fast not played with the others in a vps environment though so somebody else might be able to give a better comparison
[17:55] <brobostigon> ok, thankyou for your point of view, XenoPhoenix :)
[18:03] <popey> brobostigon: i run 10.04 on three Bitfolk VPS's
[18:04] <brobostigon> popey: ok, thank you also, in mymind it was either debian stable or 10.04.
[18:04] <AlanBell> brobostigon: personally for servers that are mine to play with I run the same operating system as my laptop (natty now)
[18:05] <brobostigon> AlanBell: that would for me, be sid and or natty.
[18:05] <popey> yay, my RAID10 array has nearly finished migrating from RAID1
[18:05] <popey> huzzah!
[18:05] <popey> i love linux software raid
[18:06] <popey> you get no security updates in sid brobostigon
[18:06] <popey> which I would be concerned about for a public facing box
[18:06] <brobostigon> popey: very true, yes.
[18:06] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:06] <popey> bug 779391
[18:06] <popey> wonder when that will get fixed
[18:07] <Guest43043>  hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thanks in advance
[18:07] <brobostigon> ok, so either debian stable, or 10.04. hmmm.
[18:08] <hamitron> both seem ok from my experience
[18:09] <brobostigon> debian stable is now only a few months old. lts is now over a year old.
[18:10] <shauno> it's a tough choice atm.  yes lts is over a year old, but you're pretty sure when the next version will be.  debian's roadmap is never that concrete
[18:11] <brobostigon> very true, yes, also.
[18:16] <hamitron> I'd personally use ubuntu because of that, only used debian on my vps cuz the choice was ubuntu 10.10 or debain 6
[18:16] <hamitron> :/
[18:17] <Azelphur> Hmm, if a devices headphone port doesn't work out of the box, but it does work with a config edit, should I still file a bug?
[18:18] <brobostigon> hamitron: you have a good point, yes,
[18:19] <hamitron> shauno made it tbh
[18:19] <hamitron> ;)
[18:19] <Azelphur> Hmm, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/654008 says fix committed
[18:19] <Azelphur> does that mean it's in natty already?
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> or oneiric
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> fix committed was in october
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> so it's in natty
[18:20] <Azelphur> well I'm still getting that issue on natty :p
[18:20] <Azelphur> fun, it's still broked then D:
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ubuntu-bug audio :)
[18:21] <brobostigon> overall, i think ltc 10.04 might be the best.
[18:21] <brobostigon> lts*
[18:21] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, can I do that with the alsa-base.conf edit in still? or should I take that out to re-break sound :p
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd re-break first (keep a backup)
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it'll wizard you through some "Is it still broken if I do this" steps
[18:21] <Azelphur> k :)
[18:22] <Guest43043>  hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04 as a triple boot with ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 on my hp pavilion dv6-3150 sa.on restart after the grub menu it did not boot 11.04 instead the back screen appeared. i did a cold booting again which worked and then logd out to test the classic desktop screen. I restarted the computer again and since then ubuntu 11.04 is not loading instead shows a black screen, can any one help, thanks in advance
[18:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS, it's the headphone port that breaks without the alsa-base.conf edit :p
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ubuntu-bug will guide you to create a bug. You can attach the fixed alsa-base.conf later :)
[18:23] <Azelphur> Guest43043, can you get to grub?
[18:23] <Guest43043> Azelphur, yes i can
[18:25]  * Azelphur does some quick googling for the arguments I'm trying to remember :p
[18:26] <Azelphur> Guest43043, select the line in grub for booting 11.04
[18:26] <Azelphur> press E
[18:26] <Azelphur> delete the words "quiet splash" then boot (I think it's F10 to boot, it'll say at the bottom)
[18:27] <Azelphur> that should stop the splash screen from appearing, allowing you to see any errors that may be causing brokenness
[18:28] <Guest43043> Azelphur, sorry how can I delete the splash
[18:28] <Azelphur> with the arrows on the keyboard and the delete key? it's a text editor...
[18:29] <Guest43043> Azelphur, i have got a switchable graphi card
[18:29] <Guest43043> can it be the problem
[18:29] <Azelphur> lets start this from the beginning :p
[18:30] <Azelphur> can you get to grub?
[18:31] <Guest43043> Azelphur, yes i can get to the grub menu.first time when i did a hot restarting it did not get to ubuntu 11.04. did a cold restarting and i could use the ubuntu 11.04 as i mentioned earlier
[18:31] <Azelphur> right, in grub can you see the 11.04 line?
[18:32] <brobostigon> ohdear, i just realised, i havent actually ever properly   setup a firewall under linux yet.
[18:32] <Guest43043> Azelphur, yes i can see that still.
[18:32] <Azelphur> Guest43043, right, so select that line and press E
[18:32] <Azelphur> it'll bring you into a text editor.
[18:32] <Guest43043> Azelphur, ok so what happens then
[18:33] <Azelphur> then you delete the words quiet splash in the text editor like I said and you can see the errors \o/
[18:34] <Guest43043> Azelphur, so i will press E, delete the quiet splash with the text editor, and do i need to restart it again?
[18:34] <Guest43043> to c the errors
[18:34] <Azelphur> Guest43043, no, then you need to press the button to boot, it'll say what it is at the bottom, I believe it's F10
[18:35] <Guest43043> Azelphur, the  "quiet splash" comes under inverted comas right? do I have to remove just those wordings or includint the inverted comas.
[18:35] <Azelphur> I don't believe it's in inverted commas
[18:36] <Guest43043> Azelphur, ok, so would it allow me to boot into 11.04 or is that the step to c errors
[18:36] <Azelphur> it's just a step to see the error.
[18:36] <Guest43043> ok
[18:37] <Guest43043> Azelphur, :-( so what should i do with errirs now
[18:37] <Guest43043> Azelphur, i am so sorry to ask this stupid Q
[18:37] <Azelphur> put them on pastebin.com so we can see them?
[18:37] <Azelphur> and then we might have a better idea what's causing your issue :p
[18:38] <Guest43043> Azelphur, ok, i can come on my desktop no under the name "ocean" is that oka
[18:38] <Guest43043> y
[18:38] <Azelphur> yes
[18:38] <Guest43043> Azelphur, thanks
[18:42] <zleap> is there a channel for open office ?
[18:45] <AlanBell> #libreoffice
[18:45] <zleap> ok thanks
[18:45] <brobostigon> have fun everone, going to the pub.
[18:45] <zleap> i am trying to select some fontwork text and can't
[18:54] <mang0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10787619#post10787619
[18:54] <mang0> :)
[18:54] <mang0> hamitron: I found out some stuff about my card...
[18:55] <popey> mang0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TabletSetupWizardpen
[18:55] <mang0> ah
[18:55]  * mang0 facepalm
[18:55] <popey> that was from googling WP5540U
[18:56] <zleap> how do I change the text in fontwork ?
[18:56] <zleap> open office
[18:57] <mang0> popey:  what is this "google" you talk of? :P
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> mang0: it's like bing, but different
[19:07] <mang0> bing?
[19:07] <mang0> XD
[19:07] <mang0> Just trollin' :)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> just feedin' :)
[19:13] <hamitron> :)
[19:20] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Wasn't "Bing" the original form of Rick Rolling http://bit.ly/y63Os
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> DJones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow
[19:21] <DJones> :)
[19:28] <Guest85736> hi guys, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04(fresh install) on my hp pavilion dv6 3150 sa. the X crashes on the restart, please find the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/604907/ can any one help please
[19:32] <Guest85736> hi popey, i recently installed ubuntu 11.04(fresh install) on my hp pavilion dv6 3150 sa. the X crashes on the restart, please find the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/604907/ can any one help please
[19:36] <popey> Guest85736: thats a fresh install?
[19:37] <Guest85736> popey, yes it was a fresh install on some spare space i had on my new laptop. i ahve got 10.10 and win 7 along with athat
[19:37] <popey> looks like you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf there. you might want to remove that
[19:38] <Guest85736> popey, how can i do that popey, and after all whats the problem there?
[19:39] <popey> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup_20110508
[19:40] <Guest85736> popey, can i come back after running that command on rescue mode?
[19:40] <popey> how are you here now?
[19:41] <popey> in windows?
[19:42] <Guest85736> popey, i am using my other laptop
[19:43] <popey> ok
[19:44] <Guest85736> popey, it says etc/X11/xorg.conf no such file or directory
[19:44] <popey> interesting
[19:44] <popey> did you have a / in front of that etc?
[19:45] <Guest85736> popey, yes /etc
[19:45] <popey> no idea then sorry
[19:45] <Guest85736> popey, i can pastebin anything if u want from it if that helps
[19:46] <Guest85736> when i initially installed it the hot boot did not work, the cold boot worked alright, and it started crashing since i used the ubuntu classic desktop once
[19:47] <Guest85736> when i initially installed it the hot boot did not work, the cold boot worked alright, and it started crashing since i used the ubuntu classic desktop once
[19:47] <popey> you might be better off asking in #ubuntu
[19:47] <Guest85736> popey, i was referd here from #ubuntu
[19:47] <popey> o_O
[19:48] <Guest85736> popey, u know i had some trouble with the same laptop when i installed 10.10, the problem was with the switchable graphic card
[19:48] <Guest85736> popey, it crashed when i installed a propritary driver for the ATI graphics card
[19:49] <Guest85736> popey, The X crashed
[19:49] <popey> sorry, i cant help right now
[19:49] <popey> someone else may be able to
[19:50] <Guest85736> popey, its ok, can u guide me in the right direction, #ubuntu is that the best place to get some help abt it
[19:50] <popey> #ubuntu or http://askubuntu.com/
[19:52] <AlanBell> Guest85736: does the live CD do the same thing?
[20:10] <Guest85736> AlanBell, no i have used the live CD alright.
[20:18] <Guest85736> AlanBell, any help?
[20:19] <AlanBell> hmm
[20:19] <AlanBell> you mentioned an ATI card, but that log is from an intel card
[20:19] <AlanBell> oh switchable
[20:19] <AlanBell> um, switch it the other way, see what happens?
[20:22] <Guest85736> AlanBell, please see this issue i have filed in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/698274 the first one i s the same kind of problem i had with 10.10 the last post is my current problem
[20:23] <Guest85736> AlanBell, there is no option to switch it even in bios. win 7 can do it automatically when u plygin to ac power
[20:24] <ali1234> why doesn't notify-send work?
[20:25] <popey> wfm
[20:27] <ali1234> command line used?
[20:27] <popey> notify-send moo
[20:27] <ali1234> i see no notification
[20:27] <popey> I'm on 11.04 unity
[20:28] <ali1234> me too
[20:29] <ali1234> reported
[20:30] <ali1234> which package actually draws them?
[20:30] <ali1234> libnotify?
[20:31] <ali1234> notify-osd?
[20:31] <DJones> Guest85736: Is this of any help with switchable graphics https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[20:33] <Guest85736> DJones, now  the problem is x is crashing on restart
[21:02] <ali1234> well, this is fun
[21:02] <ali1234> notify-osd is broken, and pidgin bonjour is also broken
[21:02] <ali1234> and i need to take a screenshot of the osd
[21:03] <ali1234> so could everyone please spam me with /msg? thanks
[21:08] <ali1234> well thats interesting, notifications from pidgin stopped working too
[21:47] <safiyyah> something wierd has happened with my desktop view. The panels and background, even the cube have kept the settings but when you open nautilus or open office, it looks like windows 98. the icons, the folders etc
[21:48] <ali1234> gnome-settings-daemon crashed
[21:48] <safiyyah> okay
[21:48] <safiyyah> so i need to do what?
[21:50] <safiyyah> ali1234, ?
[21:51] <ali1234> open a terminal, run gnome-settings-daemon
[21:51] <ali1234> see what it says
[21:51] <popey> will also need to restart nautilus
[21:51] <popey> it doesn't get updated immediately by a restart of gsd
[21:51] <popey> known bug
[21:52] <ali1234> popey: tracked down my osd problem: something is blocking low and normal urgency notifications here
[21:52] <ali1234> any idea what could do that?
[21:52] <popey> ooo
[21:52] <popey> no
[21:52] <popey> gconf somewhere?
[21:52] <ali1234> eg notify-osd -u critical hello gets displayed
[21:52] <safiyyah> okay $ restart nautilus    doesn't work
[21:52] <popey> oh, are you set away?
[21:52] <safiyyah> what was I supposed to have types
[21:52] <ali1234> i use pidgin
[21:52] <ali1234> pidgin says i am available
[21:52] <popey> hmm
[21:52] <popey> skype?
[21:52] <popey> no safiyyah
[21:52] <ali1234> no don't use skype
[21:53] <popey> hmm
[21:53] <ali1234> pidgin is notoriously unreliable when setting status though
[21:53] <popey> i bet its that
[21:53] <ali1234> often it says "available" and all you're buddies see "on holiday" or something dumb like that
[21:53] <popey> hah
[21:53] <popey> sweet
[21:53] <safiyyah> okay I am sorry but as usual, I need a step by step
[21:54] <ali1234> i think the problem with pidgin is it doesn't handle status on multiple accounts well
[21:54] <ali1234> safiyyah: close nautilus and then open it again, in the normal way you do that
[21:54] <popey> safiyyah: in a terminal do this:-
[21:54] <popey> ali1234: thats not sufficient
[21:55] <popey> ali1234: you have to killall nautilus
[21:55] <ali1234> hum
[21:55] <safiyyah> i already did that and rebooted
[21:55] <popey> after restarting gsd
[21:55] <popey> safiyyah: do this:-
[21:55] <popey> kilall gnome-settings-daemon
[21:55] <popey> bah
[21:55] <popey> killall gnome-settings-daemon
[21:55] <popey> then killall nautilus
[21:56] <popey> see if the theme resets itself
[21:56] <safiyyah> okay killall gnome-settings-daemon made me lose everything
[21:57] <safiyyah> now even the panels are back to the strange view
[21:57] <popey> right
[21:57] <popey> now run
[21:57] <popey> gnome-settings-daemon
[21:58]  * popey tickles daubers 
[21:58] <daubers> lo
[21:58] <safiyyah> thnx popey that worked
[21:59] <popey> np
[21:59] <safiyyah> next problem
[21:59] <safiyyah> can't install libre office
[21:59] <safiyyah> not found on synaptic at all
[21:59] <popey> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:59] <safiyyah> lucid
[21:59] <popey> its not in the repository I think
[22:00] <daubers> lucid is OOo only isn't it? PPA for libre (iirc)
[22:00] <safiyyah> i have to get it from their site?
[22:00] <popey> libreoffice is only in natty and newer
[22:00] <popey> yes safiyyah or a ppa
[22:00] <popey> !libreoffice
[22:00] <safiyyah> are you guys no longer running lucid?
[22:01] <popey> safiyyah: why do you want libreoffice?
[22:01] <daubers> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/libreoffice-gets-3-3-0-stable-version-released-ppa-installation-instructions-included.html
[22:01] <popey> what does it have that openoffice doesnt?
[22:01] <ali1234> a better name
[22:01] <safiyyah> no I will put open office back
[22:01] <popey> debateable
[22:01] <safiyyah> one other question
[22:01] <ali1234> OO.o is a silly name
[22:01] <popey> as is libreoffice
[22:01] <ali1234> less silly
[22:01] <safiyyah> has anyone installed MSOffice on PlayOnLinux?
[22:01] <popey> i have not
[22:03] <mgdm> libreoffice had a working presenter mode for doing presentations for me
[22:03] <mgdm> OOo did not
[22:10]  * daubers bangs his head against an electronics book
[22:23] <safiyyah> night from me gusys
[22:23] <safiyyah> guys*
[22:30] <Laney> rawr
[22:31] <ali1234> what is zubuntu?
[22:31] <hamitron> zuma!
[22:31] <hamitron> maybe
[22:31] <hamitron> ;)
[22:31] <ali1234> oh he means xubuntu
[22:40] <fujisan> hello
[22:40] <fujisan> i have a problem :(
[22:41] <shauno> fujisan: being able to admit it is the first step :)
[22:41] <fujisan> hehe
[22:41] <fujisan> nah Ubuntu 11.04 on my bedroom pc is a bit wonky
[22:41] <fujisan> kinda dependent on my bedroom pc now Mac is being repaired since the superdrive is busted
[22:42]  * Laney wibbles
[22:42] <shauno> what's it doing?  wonky's a bit vague
[22:42] <Laney> who from -uk is in budapest?
[22:43] <fujisan> whenever i try to change the resolution in 11.04 the resolution gets messy i get redraw errors every window leaves traces it doesn't refresh it's a mess basically
[22:44] <james_w`> Laney, do I count
[22:44] <james_w`> ?
[22:47] <fujisan> shauno:  and its so hot now :(
[22:54] <Laney> james_w`: always ♥
[23:37] <Azelphur> Hmm, interesting. Certain addresses can't connect to my server, and my server can't connect to them. The packets are dropped in the datacenter on the hop before my server o.O
[23:38] <Azelphur> sent a ticket off to my host, wonder what causes that xD
[23:45] <popey> I've had that, routing issue
[23:45] <popey> there's an ISP in canada that can't get to my VPS
[23:45] <popey> or any VPS on that subnet
[23:50] <ali1234> i found out why i am "away"
[23:50] <ali1234> it's because i am running eve fullscreen
[23:50] <ali1234> i'm clearly not away though, it's on another desktop
[23:50] <ali1234> look, i am not away, i am right here
[23:52] <hamitron> eve <3
[23:57] <Azelphur> ali1234, :P
[23:57] <Azelphur> popey, interesting, was your issue inside the datacenter too?
[23:57] <popey> the issue was the crappy routing at the canadian ISP
[23:58] <Azelphur> haha
[23:58] <Azelphur> nah, for me if the client traceroutes me it gets all the way to the last hop in the datacenter
[23:58] <Azelphur> and if I traceroute the client it doesn't make first hop
[23:58] <popey> yes, same here
[23:58] <popey> oh, i can get back
[23:58] <Azelphur> that's weird
[23:58] <Azelphur> yea, I can't get back at all, dropped before first hop
[23:58] <popey> nice
[23:59] <Azelphur> fired off an email to the datacenter, they are clearly pondering it as it's been like an hour and usually they reply in seconds :p