[07:18] <jgould> is this thing on?
[07:18] <Unit193> jgould: Nope
[07:18] <jgould> darn
[07:19] <jgould> I managed to fuck up my linux install...  This time I'm not sure what did it.  It werked when I left the house, but now it wont..
[07:21] <jgould> going to try to fix it.  Bbs
[07:22] <Unit193> I won't be... I hope...
[07:43] <jgould> I'm back and it's working again
[07:45] <jgould> Is is good or bad that I'm happier in Ubuntu than the Mac OS?
[07:47] <BiosElement> jgould: YOU fucked up your linux install?
[07:47] <BiosElement> Well congrats, I screwed my android over flashing a new rom...7 hours ago.
[07:49] <jgould> Heh.  I don't even know exactly waht happened... It was working when I left the house, and no longer worked when I got home...
[07:50] <BiosElement> Heh, fun.
[07:50] <BiosElement> Hmm, gotta plan a trip to Cincinnati soon it seems. >.>
[07:50] <jgould> Why>
[07:50] <BiosElement> File a police report, fun times when idiots threaten me.
[07:51] <jgould> ah
[07:51] <jgould> My printer sounds sick...
[07:52] <BiosElement> Blah
[07:59] <jgould> I'm tired..
[08:00] <BiosElement> Join the club, I've been up near 24 hours >.<
[08:11] <jgould> I've only been up for about 12, but I've also not been sleeping well.
[08:11] <BiosElement> Bah, that sucks >.<
[08:11] <jgould> Is it bad that even though my hardware doesn't work perfectly under Ubuntu, I'm using it more than the Mac OS?
[08:13] <BiosElement> No, Not really. Ubuntu is far more productive for me then Win even if Win may run better for gaming/art.
[08:14] <jgould> I guess you learn to work with the quirks
[08:15] <BiosElement> Yep. FOr example, I feel utterly tied up without virtual desktops :P
[08:15] <BiosElement> And no package manager? Really? ;P
[08:16] <jgould> I don't actually use the virtual desktops (even though I have them in both the MacOS and Ubuntu)
[08:17] <BiosElement> I use them whenever I work, so I can move music and extra chat windows off out of my way
[08:17] <BiosElement> Minimize just isn't enough >.>
[08:19] <BiosElement> Hah, awesome. After cooking food for someone. "Does it taste ok?" "Yes." "Really?" "Yeah." "It doesn't taste like bugs?"
[08:19] <BiosElement> >.>
[08:21] <jgould> Heh
[08:23] <jgould> I'm heading to bed.  Night!
[08:23] <BiosElement> Night
[13:20] <canthus13> Cheri703: Hello!
[13:20] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's sully?
[13:21] <Cheri703> aright, got pics in airports
[13:22] <Cheri703> super beat though, about to take a short-ish nap
[15:23] <J21> canthus13: I guess I didn't get the USB dropout fixed....
[16:21] <canthus13> Cheri703: Having connection issues?
[16:21] <canthus13> J21: USB dropout has always been around. :(
[16:22] <Cheri703> yeah, hotel wireless = meh
[16:23] <canthus13> Heh.  Having fun yet? Or just getting over jet lag?
[16:24] <Cheri703> been taking intermittent naps, probably headed for another one soon :)
[17:34] <J21> canthus13: Only way to fix seems to reboot :/
[18:22] <Unit193> +1 to liqourix! It's faster on the real computer! (Not just VM)
[18:44] <canthus13> Unit193: Cool. :)
[18:44] <canthus13> Unit193: It didn't make a huge difference on mine, and it doesn't support PAE so I switched back. I'll prolly install it on my desktop and my kid's laptop, though...
[18:45] <Unit193> canthus13: irssi seems a bit more slugish, but the desktop seems a little more snappy
[18:46] <canthus13> the other problem I had with it was that conky won't report temperatures with it.
[18:52] <Unit193> I don't use conky (and that computer might not have good sensors)
[18:53] <Unit193> Cheri703: You going to the Lubuntu talk tues(?) at 15:00?
[18:54] <Cheri703> dunno
[18:57] <thafreak> Anyone have any experience with openvz?
[18:58] <thafreak> Found a vps host, $24/year for 512mb ram vps, w/ 20gb disk and unmetered bandwidth
[18:58] <thafreak> but it's openvz...which is different than what I'm used to
[19:04] <Bryan> hello
[19:04] <thafreak> Hello Bryan
[19:04] <Guest67359> ?
[19:05] <Guest67359> what does that mean?
[19:05] <Guest67359> and hi thatfreak
[19:06] <thafreak> Bryan might be a registered nic
[19:06] <thafreak> nick i mean
[19:06] <thafreak> You using the web chat?
[19:06] <Guest67359> uh, yeah I think so
[19:07] <Guest67359> how do I change it to something different?
[19:07] <thafreak> try //nick NEWNAME
[19:07] <thafreak> only one slash
[19:08] <dniMretsaM> cool thanks
[19:08] <thafreak> I'm not really much of an irc guru
[19:08] <dniMretsaM> lol me neither
[19:09] <thafreak> i basically set up my client, then promptly forgot most of what i learned
[19:09] <dniMretsaM> lol nice
[19:09] <thafreak> you new to this room I take it?
[19:10] <dniMretsaM> yep. just joined the LoCo last night
[19:10] <Unit193> Cangrats!
[19:10] <thafreak> oh, that was you...saw the email...welcome
[19:11] <thafreak> what region of ohio are you in?
[19:11] <dniMretsaM> yep, that was me thanks
[19:11] <Unit193> dniMretsaM: I would have to be kicked out too! I only use Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[19:12] <dniMretsaM> north east
[19:12] <thafreak> seems most are columbus, or some part of the northeast...
[19:13] <thafreak> we do have some folks at the other edges of the state...but only a few it seems
[19:13] <dniMretsaM> a lot in Cincy
[19:13] <thafreak> have you been to ohio linux fest, and if so, did you stop by the booth?
[19:14] <dniMretsaM> I've never heard of it. I've only used Linux for just over a month
[19:14] <thafreak> yeah, I guess cincy might be big...but i don't see many from there in here or on the maillinglist
[19:15] <dniMretsaM> speaking of the forums, they seem dead
[19:15] <thafreak> Well then, you need to put it on your calendar if possible!
[19:15] <dniMretsaM> when is it? and where
[19:16] <thafreak> yeah...ther are those who use them, but the same peple on the forums don't tend to wander in here, or use the mailinglist
[19:16] <thafreak> http://www.ohiolinux.org/ sept 9-11 it looks like
[19:17] <dniMretsaM> ah. I've been on the forums for a while. I stumbled on the LoCo when I was doing a google search for something.
[19:17] <thafreak> the main day is saturday...friday there will be an ubucon though
[19:18] <dniMretsaM> looks interesting. I'd have to get my parents to take me though, as I don't drive yet
[19:18] <thafreak> yeah, there seems to be a disjoint...people who use the forums rarely come into the chatroom or use the maillinglist
[19:18] <thafreak> the people on the mailinglist don't pay attention to the forums, etc
[19:19] <thafreak> even better...get them using linux :)
[19:19] <dniMretsaM> they can't stand it
[19:20] <Unit193> I'm in here and read the ML (Don't send anything)
[19:20] <dniMretsaM> I think they just don't like it cause it's so different. Although KDE can be quite Windows-like if you want it to be
[19:20] <thafreak> Unit193: do you use the forums though?
[19:21] <thafreak> Yeah, but different is good :)
[19:21] <thafreak> I think people forget that...
[19:22] <dniMretsaM> i know
[19:22] <Unit193> thafreak: Nope! I only randomly read them...
[19:22] <dniMretsaM> I didn't really like it when I first started, but I stuck it out and now I love it
[19:22] <thafreak> Unit193: you prove my point...there is a division, forum users vs maillinglist readers/irc people
[19:23] <dniMretsaM> anyway, so the Ohio LoCo has a booth at the LinuxFest?
[19:23] <thafreak> dniMretsaM: yep, that's all it takes...
[19:23] <dniMretsaM> I disprove your point :P
[19:23] <thafreak> yes we have a boot...and the last few years we've even had demo machines from system 76 to show off
[19:24] <thafreak> Which if we do this year, it may be quite interesting...
[19:24] <dniMretsaM> I even made a change within Ubuntu (to Kubuntu). I'm getting better at this lol
[19:24] <thafreak> There are quite a few kubuntu users that lurk this chatroom...you should fit right in
[19:24] <dniMretsaM> does System 76 sell pre-installed Linux computers?
[19:24] <thafreak> just avoid canthus13 :)
[19:25] <dniMretsaM> y?
[19:25] <thafreak> yep, they pre-install ubuntu...not sure about kubuntu though
[19:25] <thafreak> haha, just kidding about canthus13, he just isn't a KDE fan is all...
[19:26] <dniMretsaM> yeah well, that's his problem, not mine
[19:26] <thafreak> I was a big kde fan...back in the kde 1.x-2.x days :)
[19:26] <dniMretsaM> but that's the whole point of Linux/open source. YOU can decide
[19:26] <thafreak> precicely
[19:27] <thafreak> on and fyi, I can't spell...and I don't care
[19:27] <Unit193> BiosElement is a KDE fan
[19:27] <dniMretsaM> lol. Firefox has spell check <3
[19:27] <thafreak> yeah, but I'm using irssi over ssh :)
[19:27] <thafreak> I'm more of a terminal guy
[19:28] <_bbb> mega dittos
[19:28] <thafreak> sup trip-b
[19:28] <dniMretsaM> lol
[19:28] <_bbb> sappening
[19:28] <thafreak> did you say dorritos?
[19:28] <dniMretsaM> lol
[19:28] <thafreak> mmmm nacho cheese
[19:30] <_bbb> i never really understood the whole preinstalled linux thing
[19:30] <dniMretsaM> so what types of things do they have at linux fest? I looked on the web site, but couldn't really find that much
[19:30] <_bbb> i guess its good to have options but were just gonna reinstall it anyway
[19:32] <dniMretsaM> why would we reinstall (assuming we wanted Ubuntu 11.04, not Xubuntu 10.10 or something)
[19:33] <_bbb> *shrug*
[19:33] <_bbb> force of habit in my case
[19:33] <dniMretsaM> I'd get one just so I don't support MS when I buy a computer
[19:34] <dniMretsaM> System 76 computers are small
[19:38] <_bbb> there is that i guess
[19:38] <_bbb> not an issue when you roll your own
[19:39] <dniMretsaM> true that. I don't have the money for that though. Only 15, so I'm not exactly rolling in dough
[19:41] <_bbb> =)
[19:41] <dniMretsaM> I've actually been looking for a decent (and decently priced) computer on craigslist
[19:41] <dniMretsaM> but so far nothing has caught my eye
[19:47] <thafreak> buy the parts at microcenter
[19:47] <thafreak> they've been running a deal, where you buy certain amd cpu's and get a free motherboard
[19:48] <thafreak> it's really not too bad going that route...
[19:48] <thafreak> and you only have to buy a few parts at a time
[19:49] <thafreak> just don't skimp on the power supply :) buy something that weighs like 10lbs...the really light power supplies are usually junk
[19:50] <dniMretsaM> lol
[19:54] <dniMretsaM> I'm really out of the loop, so I'm gonna ask a question. What would you guys expect to pay for a decent laptop these days? $300? $400?
[19:55] <BiosElement> dniMretsaM: About, yeah.
[19:57] <dniMretsaM> closer to which?
[19:58] <_bbb> depends on your definition of decent
[19:58] <_bbb> somewhere inbetween for lower end sure
[20:05] <dniMretsaM> hmm... found a nice looking used desktop for $250. May ask them if they would leave out the OS, keyboard, and mouse and reduce the price
[20:07] <dniMretsaM> maybe the monitor too
[20:13] <dniMretsaM> I just spotted some guy selling 2 HDs, 250GB and 80GB, for $35. either he's crazy or not legit
[20:23]  * canthus13 pokes at thafreak.
[20:23] <canthus13> dniMretsaM: Used drives? That's reasonable.
[20:23] <canthus13> the 80 is prolly ancient, and a used 250 would go for about 25 bucks.
[20:24]  * canthus13 recently picked up a 750 for 35.
[20:25] <dniMretsaM> really? that surprises me. I've seen 40 for 80 bucks
[20:25] <dniMretsaM> 40GB*
[20:25] <canthus13> That's crazy.
[20:26] <canthus13> Although I could see that for a brand new 40.. Nobody makes drives that small anymore.
[20:26] <canthus13> 80s and 250s are everywhere, though.
[20:26] <dniMretsaM> it probably was a new one
[20:27] <canthus13> A brand new 250 runs about 25-30 bucks.
[20:27] <canthus13> (per pricewatch).  a brand new 80 runs about 20-25.
[20:28] <dniMretsaM> I just looked on ebay and saw a TB for like $96
[20:28] <_bbb> better off new
[20:31] <dniMretsaM> I'm searching for a used computer on eBay and 8/10 items are software
[20:31] <dniMretsaM> not cool
[20:37]  * canthus13 likes old computers. people leave interesting things on them. :)
[20:39] <dniMretsaM> lol true. but old computers don't run as well
[20:40] <canthus13> They run fine once you get windows off of htem. :)
[20:41] <thafreak> yeah, never buy used hard drives these days...they don't last very long as it is
[20:41]  * canthus13 has an old IBM p4 desktop and an old dell p4 laptop that run perfectly well. also, an old PIII dell laptop that ran perfectly until it got stepped on and then dropped on the floor.
[20:41] <thafreak> what kind of machine are you looking for dniMretsaM?
[20:42] <thafreak> or what do you want to do with it?
[20:42] <dniMretsaM> I'm looking for something with at least a Core 2 Duo and 2GB RAM I'd like a 160GB HD or better as well, but that wouldn't b a selling point
[20:45] <dniMretsaM> and u don't have to call me dniMretsaM. Master or MM is fine
[20:46] <Cheri703> dniMretsaM: on irc there is tab complete, so it is actually EASIER to type your full name, as it only requires the first two letters and TAB
[20:47] <Unit193> If they call you The Master, can they call me The Doctor?
[20:47] <dniMretsaM> orly? I did not know that.
[20:47] <dniMretsaM> and lol Unit
[20:48] <dniMretsaM> Oooh! just found a PC with specs pretty close to what I'm looking for.
[20:50] <Cheri703> yeah, type un and press tab
[20:50] <dniMretsaM> it's a Dell Dimension 9200 with Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz, 4GB RAM, and 160GB HD. $260.xx w/ shipping
[20:54] <dniMretsaM> I could probably get my parents to pay some since they'd most likely be buying me a laptop for when I turn 17. then they wouldn't have ot
[20:54] <dniMretsaM> to*
[20:58] <dniMretsaM> OK well, I guess I'm out for now peeps
[20:58] <Unit193> dniMretsaM: Have a good one!
[20:58] <dniMretsaM> glad to be part of the LoCo!
[20:58] <dniMretsaM> u 2
[21:06] <thafreak> canthus13: you ever hear of an organization called w2servers?
[21:06] <thafreak> 512mb openvz vps for $24/year...
[21:12] <canthus13> Nope.
[21:12] <canthus13> Hmm.
[21:12] <thafreak> I bought one...seems alright...openvz is a little new to me...
[21:12] <thafreak> and I tend to not trust things that I don't really understand at first
[21:13] <thafreak> I was under the impression that openvz is more or less an overglorified and pimped out chroot
[21:13] <canthus13> Hmm... It's a container-type system, apparently.
[21:14] <thafreak> so anyone on the host, has basically direct access to my files
[21:14] <canthus13> And the machines can be rebooted independently.
[21:14] <thafreak> atleast on xen, etc, you have to mount the disk image some how to get at my files...
[21:14]  * canthus13 is poking around at the wiki right now...
[21:15] <thafreak> let me know what you think...they also provide 10mbit unmetered bandwidth...which is nice...
[21:15] <canthus13> Higher performance than Xen...
[21:15] <thafreak> might set up a tor router then :)
[21:22] <canthus13> thafreak: Hmm... Looks like root can see all running processes and have access to each machine.
[21:22] <canthus13> so if you don't trust the admins, you got problems.
[21:24] <canthus13> Updates are a lot easier, though... They hit all the servers automagically, rather than having to update each one individually. Of course, you can't run your own kernel.
[21:28] <thafreak> yeah, it looks like it's running good old 2.6.18
[21:28] <thafreak> eh, as long as debian squeeze is on there, no biggie
[21:29] <thafreak> you get almost the entire disk space to use...which is nice
[21:29] <thafreak> and "re-installing" the os, is very fast...
[21:30] <thafreak> so for now, not going to put anything on there that requires keys or passwords to be in files in the plain...
[21:30] <thafreak> so probably won't be having my irssi session over there...
[23:20] <TheErk> Howdy folks
[23:24] <Unit193> Hello TheErk!
[23:25] <Unit193> I just had to take a little guy from the basement and put him outside....
[23:27]  * canthus13 drools.
[23:28] <Unit193> Good food?
[23:28] <canthus13> nah. just bored.
[23:28] <Unit193> We had a snake in the basement, does that count as fun?
[23:35] <canthus13> Unit193: Sure.. I like snakes.
[23:35] <canthus13> they're tasty.