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bklivesu -01:31
bkliveor su -C "visudo"01:31
dusfwine devs have told me one of the reasons i may have experienced a drop in fps after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu-session is that i am useing proprietary and FOSS drivers02:56
dusflspci -k = Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nvidia-173, nouveau, nvidiafb02:56
dusfi am told I need to remove nouveau, even though menu >> system >> additional drivers shows me nvidia is activated 'but not currently in use'02:57
dusfsudo apt-get uninstall nouveau does nothing, and removing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau also changed nothing02:59
dusfcan anyone tell me how to remove nouveau?02:59
drcdusf: Check /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf..If you have installed the nvidia drivers in Additional Drivers (and it sounds like you did...the "not used" is just a reporting bug) nouveau should be blacklisted and thus not loaded.  CHeck /var/log/Xorg.o.log to see what driver is being used.03:04
dusfdrc: xorg lists nvidia only03:09
dusfdrc: should lspci -k not mention nouveau though?03:09
drcBut if you really want to delete nouveau, search for it in the Package Manager...deleter it from there03:10
dusfdrc: the only thing that comes up in synaptic is a xorg file, the one i mentioned03:11
dusfdrc: and also libdrm-nouveau1a, removal of which appears to affect hundreds of other packages, is that okay?03:12
xaemoniccan someone tell me how to acess xchat setup?03:56
Soupermanitoxaemonic, ask on #xchat04:20
Josesordohello all05:18
duder123hi07:52
duder123I'm trying to install xubuntu with a usb dongle, i've used PLoP to make the computer boot from usb as it does not have this functionality by default, but when i select "run xubuntu from usb" a ton of letters fill the screen and i'm being dropped at a busybox prompt07:53
duder123does anyone know what the problem might be? thanks07:54
SysiPLoP?07:54
duder123http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html It's for booting from usb or other devices when the bios does not have this functionality on it's own07:55
lokeshhello08:51
mitigatinghi12:10
mitigatingIs there a way to remove the 1 gray line the bottom panel leaves12:11
mitigatingwhen it auto hides12:11
mitigatingand can you change the popup delay12:11
Sysiafaik neither is possible12:11
mitigatinghow horrible :D12:12
mitigatingin thunar can you make the right click hold12:13
mitigatinglike other systems12:13
JosesordoGood Morning..14:36
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dusfisn't there a way, possible through a panel plugin, to bring up a gui showing processes allowing one to easily kill a dead/frozen program?15:38
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dusfa few reboots after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu although my panel is still looking like xubuntu/xfce my desktop now looks and behaves like gnome, ignore any options i set in xfce 4 settings manager, and even brining up gnome appearance settings allowing me to change the background when i right click. please see the screenshots at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10787197#post10787197 - i'm definitley logged into 'xubuntu session' selecting it be17:02
Towzzerhey17:35
TowzzerQuestion for you gentlemen17:35
TowzzerTwo things I want to customize but can't find the option17:35
Towzzerbottom panel leaves a little showing when it's hidden17:36
Towzzerand popup delay of bottom panel17:36
Sysiafaik not configureable17:38
Towzzeri think you answered this before17:38
Towzzeri was another nick17:38
Towzzerbut now i'm more serious about finding the answer17:38
Towzzerit has to be configurable17:38
Towzzeri'll recompile17:38
Towzzerit's so hard to script gui configs17:40
Towzzerright?17:40
nicofsWhat package do I need to play DVDs? I have (x)ubuntu-restricted-extras and libdvdread4... libdvdcss "has no installation candidate" - neither parole nor vlc canplay the dvd i just inserted...17:48
Towzzermplayer does it17:49
nicofsno17:50
Towzzerno what17:50
nicofsmplayer doesn't...17:51
Towzzerok17:51
Towzzerwhat is the device name for your drive17:51
nicofsTowzzer, how do i find out?17:52
Towzzermount17:52
Towzzer/dev/?17:52
Towzzerfor the cd17:53
nicofs/dev/sr017:54
Towzzeron the termianl type17:54
Towzzervlc dvd://17:55
Towzzerand show me output17:55
nicofsLast time i tried to watch a DVD, installing libdvdcss did the trick... typing...17:55
nicofsmost striking output is "no css library available"17:56
Towzzeris this installed?17:57
Towzzerapt-get install libdvdread417:57
nicofshttp://pastebin.com/PvRhsA5p is full output17:57
nicofslibdvdread4 is installed17:57
Towzzer/usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh17:57
Towzzertry that17:57
Towzzerthat direct line17:57
nicofsresult! ok thanks, working now... so libdvdcss did the trick after all... but why is it noch in the repositories anymore?17:59
nicofs*not17:59
Towzzerit is18:00
Towzzerthat's the package18:00
Towzzerthey just make you do it manually for some reaon18:00
Towzzeri don't know why18:00
Towzzer :D18:00
Towzzerhave a nice day and thanks for choosing xubuntu18:00
nicofshmm... as long as it works...18:01
nicofsgood line :-D18:01
daz4126Is it possible to see thumbnail previews of images on the desktop18:05
knomedaz4126, if you open the desktop directory in thunar, yes18:09
daz4126thanks knome - how do I do that?18:10
knomedaz4126, err, open the file manager and browse to /home/yourusername/Desktop18:10
daz4126sorry, I get what you meant18:11
daz4126But anyway to see the previews on the actual desktop?18:11
knomedaz4126, afaik it's not possible to see thumbnails *in the desktop*, at least yet18:11
daz4126....shame18:11
daz4126everything else about xfce is really impressive (been using for a day)18:12
knomewell yes and no, why would you need to see previws on desktop?18:12
daz4126I generally use the desktop for dumping files I'm currently working on18:12
daz4126it's nice to see what they are quickly18:12
knomedaz4126, you can always create a launcher to open the desktop directory in thunar18:13
daz4126knome, I know, but I like using the desktop as a large dumping ground in the background18:13
daz4126ie without all the other thunar stuff18:14
daz4126just my personal pref - I can prob live without it though18:14
knomeyeah - the xfce developers are probably going to integrate the desktop stuff with thunar (or then not), this should make previews on desktop possible18:15
daz4126cool18:15
daz4126Any suggestions for managing ipods?18:15
knomei personally think that it is a good goal to keep the desktop clean18:15
daz4126... but then all that space is wasted!18:15
knomeumm, there are a few apps for that... try searching synaptic for "pod"18:15
knomewasted and wasted... ;)18:15
daz4126I use the desktop like I use the floor at home!18:16
knomei don't have much visible desktop area anyway18:16
daz4126Screenlets are also good on the desktop, does xfce have a program for these?18:16
Sysirhythmbox/banshee/amarok should be able to deal with ipod18:17
daz4126or does it support them18:17
daz4126thanks for ipod suggestions18:17
Sysiconky works18:17
knomeSysi, isn't there also gtkpod or something like that18:17
Sysimight be18:17
knomeyeah conky, but not actual "screenlets" or "widgets" really18:17
daz4126would prefer to keep gmusicbrowser rather than install banshee or rytymbox18:18
knomedaz4126, yeah, try gtkpod or something like that - there should be something that is only controlling the ipod stuff, not media playing18:18
daz4126Was just wondering if there was a recommended ipod manager for xfce specifically18:18
knomeno, not really18:18
daz4126I've used gtkpod before, so might give it a try18:18
daz4126thanks! :)18:19
knomei wouldn't recommend amarok, since it will pull many kde dependencies18:19
Sysiabout every kde app pulls :/18:19
knomeyeah.18:19
knomeif you pull in one app, then it's not *so bad* to pull in an another18:20
daz4126I definitely want to avoid loads of kde (or gnome) dependencies if possible18:20
Sysii always end up with almost entire gnome and kde18:20
daz4126I'm trying to keep it light18:20
daz4126... but might have to install gedit18:20
daz4126mousepad is nice, but no syntax highlighting is a pita18:20
knomeyeah, i also need gedit as long as mousepad doesn't support changing the background color :P18:21
Sysigeany is also nice and light18:21
knomedaz4126, let's try to keep the channel family friendly, even with abbreviations, thanks :)18:21
knomebut i do agree that mousepad needs syntax highlighting18:21
daz4126sorry ... first time i've used irc18:21
knomethe xfce devs were doing something about that, iirc18:22
daz4126mousepad looks really nice18:22
knomebut i have no idea of an ETA or what that should be18:22
knomewell, it's a ver basic text editor18:22
daz4126i'm even considering doing without syntax highlighting18:22
Sysii mostly need syntax hilight for config files so i use vim18:22
knomeSysi, definitely not "light" when compared to gedit/(especially) mousepad18:22
daz4126I've just put gedit into synaptic18:23
daz4126It only has 4 dependencies I think18:23
daz4126... are they ALL listed18:23
daz4126?18:23
daz4126Or will Gnome get pulled in automatically?18:24
Sysiit's just a text editor, shouldn't need half of gnome to work18:24
knomeyes, gedit is quite "light" to pull in18:24
daz4126So it's not really linked to Gnome much?18:25
knomenot really18:25
knomewhy would it? like Sysi just said, it's *just* a text eitor18:25
knome+d18:25
daz4126I'm new to how much things depend on stuff18:26
daz4126Not sure how tied apps are to the DE18:26
Sysiknome: for vim, root stuff is better done in CLI ans nano has quite randomly working hilights18:26
knomedaz4126, you will just have to look :)18:26
knomeSysi, but vim doesn't have the most intuitive keystrokes...18:26
daz4126knome - I will, it's interesting18:26
knomeSysi, (i still don't know how to *quit* vim)18:26
Sysiknome: if you just want to edit text, it isn't really that hard18:27
knomeSysi, if i only wanted to edit text, why not use nano, since it has all the same features for that, and a more user-friendly interface?:)18:27
knomeof course, this is a matter of taste18:28
knomeif i need to edit something with a more powerful editor, i'll fire up gedit18:28
Sysiif syntax hilight worked better on nano.. search too18:28
knome(i do know the GUI editors (especially with syntax highlighting) are slower, but i can deal with that as most of the configuration files are not huge)18:28
Sysiif i did programming, i'd propably use kwrite18:29
knomeugh.18:30
defusrhow to start a new server for a new plugged in monitor (with xrandr)? only found a tutorial for xorg.conf18:30
knomesomething like geany for programming would be okay18:30
Sysi(kwrite is like kate but simpler)18:30
knomedefusr, why do you especially want a new server?18:30
Sysidefusr: separate xserver or just extend the desktop?18:31
knomeSysi, i don't know kate well, and kwrite i don't know at all, but if you are using xfce, it just doesn't make so much sense to dig the k-apps first :)18:31
Sysiknome: well, they seemed nice and kwrite was firt to offer automatic completion18:33
defusrwell I've read the ubuntu wiki and they said having a separate xserver is more suitable for notebooks which might be connected to various other monitors18:33
knomeSysi, doesn't geany support that as well?18:33
Sysiknome: propably, but i've never tried it for the lack of need18:34
knome:)18:34
Sysiright now i'd like to test gnome3, it seems great18:35
Sysigreat usability stuff, but lacking some options18:36
knomeright18:37
knomebbl18:37
daz4126Talking of Gnome 3, will xfce start using gtk3 in the future?18:37
defusrso, I disabled the external monitor and I'd like to start a new xserver for this one. what would be the command for that?18:40
TowzzerI was hopeing to move to xubuntu on my laptop18:54
Towzzerbut word docx don't opening perfectly18:54
Towzzerthey sometimes have flaws18:54
keithpeterTowzzer: I use libreoffice to open docx and pptx files - its a bigger program than Abiword18:55
keithpeterTowzzer and still not perfect18:56
daz4126Anybody got experience of using Ubuntu One or Dropbox?19:07
keithpeterdaz4126: I use dropbox with the command line install19:07
daz4126command line install?19:08
keithpeterdaz4126: http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall19:08
Towzzerkeithpeter19:09
Towzzeri'm still debating , it's just an annoying thing to have to convert my documents19:09
Towzzerand if i get other peoples stuff19:09
Towzzerit could be messed up19:09
Towzzerthat's very fustrating19:09
Towzzerdocx full compatiblity should be libreoffice's number 1 priority19:09
keithpeterdaz4126: see http://bodmas.org/xubuntu/ bottom paragraph for how to set it up on Xubuntu so it autostarts the daemon19:09
SysiTowzzer: it will be there, but don't know when19:10
Towzzerkeithpeter , can you customize the bottom panel in xfce19:10
Towzzerit keeps a small gray line19:10
Towzzerthat causes me intense burning anger19:10
Sysiteach people to send things in more generic format, like .doc19:10
Sysiremove that panel totally?19:11
keithpeterTowzzer: I use pdf from libreoffice to windowze world at work and then I use 'save as pdf'  from Word back to saneworld19:11
daz4126keithpeter - Thanks!19:11
TowzzerI like the panel , i just want it totally hidden and faster popup19:12
Towzzerkeithpeter , sometimes people send me docx or pptx19:12
Sysiit should pop up instantly19:13
keithpeterTowzzer: yes, but I'm no expert, post in ubuntuforums and the ones who spend ages on customising their desktop will reply19:13
Sysiit does that for me19:13
keithpeterTowzzer: can they be pursuaded to send PDFs?19:13
Towzzeron windows that would require them to have acrobat pro installed19:13
Towzzeror use a second level hard to use pdf converter19:14
keithpeterTowzzer: do you need to edit and return the files?19:14
Towzzermaybe19:14
Towzzeri like freedom19:14
Towzzerit has a slight delay19:14
Towzzerlike 300ms19:14
Towzzeri need instant19:14
keithpeterTowzzer: nope, Word 2007 and 2010 both have save as pdf, and they are the ones that produce docx and pptx. The older Word/Office did doc and ppt19:14
Towzzerbut isn't editing a pdf difficult19:15
Towzzeralso there is a quality reduction on images and graphics19:15
Towzzerfrom word19:15
TowzzerI was just shocked, I thought that docx support would be 100% by now19:17
keithpeterTowzzer: right, so you have to receive docx, edit, and return files. Its LibreOffice or MS Office under WINE then Sir19:18
Sysieven doc supporrt isn't still perfect19:18
keithpeterTowzzer: can your correspondants save their docx files as RTF?19:18
Sysilittle flaws on some documents or use windows19:19
Towzzeri'm thinking19:19
Towzzer :D19:19
Towzzeryou know how to turn the screensaver off when it comes back from hibernate19:20
keithpeterTowzzer: hibernate ain't working on my laptop, so no19:21
Sysichange screensaver settings or powermanager settings19:21
TowzzerI did, there is nothing that says "screensaver after resuming from hibernate"19:21
keithpeterI'm off to cook the tea19:22
Sysilock screen feature does that, depending about your screensaver settings19:22
Towzzerit's off19:27
Towzzerin thunar the right click menu doesn't stay open19:28
Towzzeryou have to hold right click19:28
Towzzeris that normal19:28
Towzzeror a bug19:28
Towzzeron my part19:28
Sysipropably works after relogin/reboot, if it's been always like that it's a bug19:29
TowzzerI think i know what happened i've been messing with gtk settings to fix xfce up19:29
daz4126Is there any way to remember the position of folder windows?19:32
daz4126every time I open a folder it opens thunar in the top left corner of the desktop19:32
Sysiit opens to emptiest space, i guess it would be hard to get19:33
daz4126oh, right. That makes kind of sense.19:34
daz4126I don't like them being tight in the corner though...19:34
drcdaz4126: Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Window Manager>Advanced19:37
daz4126which setting?19:38
Soupermanitowere are wallpaper stored?19:49
Sysidefaults?19:50
Towzzerdo you think xfce gets as slow as gnome19:53
Towzzerif you use gnome libraries19:53
Towzzerlike if I install gedit19:53
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Soupermanitooh well20:20
Soupermanitomy internet choosed to stop working20:20
Soupermanitoi wonder, can i make /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops a dynamic link folder to a >/home/me/Images/wallpapers folder, so i have the walls on my /home partition?20:21
sauerbratenhello, I got a problem with my notebook. It's a quite new lenovo z370 and ubuntu doesn't recognize my card reader. It does not mount any cards inserted, neither shows them in gparted, no matter if they are inserted before booting or while running xubuntu already20:26
bin_bashhi20:58
bin_bashI have a fun new problem!20:58
bin_bashSo, I was using skype, and I started my webcam and the screen went black and the cursor was still there but i couldn't do anything except hardboot20:58
bin_bashwhen i rebooted and logged in, x froze and again i couldn't do anything except reboot20:59
knomesauerbraten, have you googled if the card reader is supported in linux altogether?20:59
bin_bashI ran fsck and then rebooted again20:59
bin_bashbut then I couldn't login AT ALL20:59
bin_bashit goes to the login screen and when i try to login, flashes the cli and then goes right back to the login screen20:59
bin_bashi can start xfce from the command line, but only as root.20:59
bin_bashwhen i try to start it without root, it says it's already running21:00
bin_bashthen it says it can't access .ICEauthority21:00
knometry to remove that file21:00
bin_bashdid that21:00
bin_bashdidn't work21:00
sauerbratenknome, nope and I got the same hint in #ubuntu. thanks though :) I thought card reader support would be something implemented quicker :D21:01
knomehave you removed the cache?21:01
bin_bashknome: nope21:01
knomesauerbraten, card readers and devices that are not *so* usual do not often get support quickly, just because not many linux devs have/use those devices21:01
Xornotis there any way to disable the ubuntu notifier so as to use only the xubuntu one?21:02
knomeSoupermanito, re: backdrops dir; i don't see any reason why you couldn't create a symlink21:02
Soupermanitokk21:02
Soupermanitoi was thinking to do that21:02
knomeXornot, of course, just can't remember that from the top of my head, have you tried googling for solution? afaik osd-notify is the "default" notification system21:04
Soupermanitobut i wondered if there where some option somewhere to tell xfdesktop-settings to look at it instead21:04
knomeSoupermanito, probably easier to create the symlink anyway21:04
Sysiafaik it's impossible to have two notification apps installed21:05
Soupermanitotrue21:05
knomeSoupermanito, but i don't know really21:05
Soupermanitosysi wants me to workaround it XD21:05
dusfSysi: further to our conversation of earlier, can i just sudo apt-get remove nautilus to for xfce to run the desktop?21:07
Sysiif you don't need it21:07
Soupermanitoi did that and i dont regret it21:07
Soupermanitoso what i will have to do is >sudo rm /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops       and then >sudo ln -s /home/me/Images/backdrops backdrops21:09
Soupermanito?21:09
dusfSysi: ty dude21:10
knomeSoupermanito, err, rather try creating a subdirectory than remove the directory21:10
Soupermanito:/ but will the xfdesktop-settings look into folders?21:11
Sysitry and see21:12
knomeSoupermanito, i'd say try that at first.21:12
Soupermanitonope it doesnt21:13
Soupermanito:/21:16
Soupermanitoweeeeelll, here goes nothing, if it fails i will have no more wallpapers :D21:19
Soupermanito:D I HAS NO WALLPAPERS!21:22
knomeSoupermanito, probably check the directory permissions next21:23
knomeSoupermanito, but we can't really give any more support...21:23
Soupermanitoshhh dont tell anyone, i was positioned on another folder so i created the symlink inside home shhh21:24
Soupermanito:D I HAS WALLPAPERS!21:25
Soupermanitoi wonder if i could make bash to tell me AWESOME if i write :D in the command line21:26
knomeconrgratulations, but let's please not SHOUT21:28
Soupermanitoit was important21:32
sauerbratenSoupermanito, I got some really great wallpapers from something called "the internet" or something like that, you know? :P21:39
knomesauerbraten, he was referring to something else21:39
* Soupermanito nods nods, winks winks21:39
sauerbratenthough I like the "internet" :P21:40
Towzzeris there a good graphical bandwidth monitor21:40
Towzzeror network status monitor21:41
Towzzeryou know21:41
Towzzerip , bw etc21:41
Soupermanitolike gnome-system-monitor?21:42
Soupermanitoor something for your desktop?21:42
Sysihum, instead of switching away from xubuntu i could do something actually sensible like read to entrance exam21:43
knomeTowzzer, try cbm or wireshark from the repositories (i have no experience about those though)21:43
Administ1atorhow do i move the minimize/maximize/close buttons to the left?21:44
SysiAdminist1ator: window manager settings21:44
knomeTowzzer, err, i don't think wireshark does the job. sorry. cbm could work though21:44
Administ1atorSysi: thanks21:45
knomeSysi, good luck with the exams21:45
bin_bashfixed it22:08
bin_bash:D22:08
bin_bashHey there Westie22:17
bin_bashHey there firem22:48
bin_bashFiremanEd*22:48

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