[01:31] <bklive> su -
[01:31] <bklive> or su -C "visudo"
[02:56] <dusf> wine devs have told me one of the reasons i may have experienced a drop in fps after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu-session is that i am useing proprietary and FOSS drivers
[02:56] <dusf> lspci -k = Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nvidia-173, nouveau, nvidiafb
[02:57] <dusf> i am told I need to remove nouveau, even though menu >> system >> additional drivers shows me nvidia is activated 'but not currently in use'
[02:59] <dusf> sudo apt-get uninstall nouveau does nothing, and removing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau also changed nothing
[02:59] <dusf> can anyone tell me how to remove nouveau?
[03:04] <drc> dusf: Check /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf..If you have installed the nvidia drivers in Additional Drivers (and it sounds like you did...the "not used" is just a reporting bug) nouveau should be blacklisted and thus not loaded.  CHeck /var/log/Xorg.o.log to see what driver is being used.
[03:09] <dusf> drc: xorg lists nvidia only
[03:09] <dusf> drc: should lspci -k not mention nouveau though?
[03:10] <drc> But if you really want to delete nouveau, search for it in the Package Manager...deleter it from there
[03:11] <dusf> drc: the only thing that comes up in synaptic is a xorg file, the one i mentioned
[03:12] <dusf> drc: and also libdrm-nouveau1a, removal of which appears to affect hundreds of other packages, is that okay?
[03:56] <xaemonic> can someone tell me how to acess xchat setup?
[04:20] <Soupermanito> xaemonic, ask on #xchat
[05:18] <Josesordo> hello all
[07:52] <duder123> hi
[07:53] <duder123> I'm trying to install xubuntu with a usb dongle, i've used PLoP to make the computer boot from usb as it does not have this functionality by default, but when i select "run xubuntu from usb" a ton of letters fill the screen and i'm being dropped at a busybox prompt
[07:54] <duder123> does anyone know what the problem might be? thanks
[07:54] <Sysi> PLoP?
[07:55] <duder123> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html It's for booting from usb or other devices when the bios does not have this functionality on it's own
[08:51] <lokesh> hello
[12:10] <mitigating> hi
[12:11] <mitigating> Is there a way to remove the 1 gray line the bottom panel leaves
[12:11] <mitigating> when it auto hides
[12:11] <mitigating> and can you change the popup delay
[12:11] <Sysi> afaik neither is possible
[12:12] <mitigating> how horrible :D
[12:13] <mitigating> in thunar can you make the right click hold
[12:13] <mitigating> like other systems
[14:36] <Josesordo> Good Morning..
[15:38] <dusf> isn't there a way, possible through a panel plugin, to bring up a gui showing processes allowing one to easily kill a dead/frozen program?
[17:02] <dusf> a few reboots after switching from ubuntu to xubuntu although my panel is still looking like xubuntu/xfce my desktop now looks and behaves like gnome, ignore any options i set in xfce 4 settings manager, and even brining up gnome appearance settings allowing me to change the background when i right click. please see the screenshots at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10787197#post10787197 - i'm definitley logged into 'xubuntu session' selecting it be
[17:35] <Towzzer> hey
[17:35] <Towzzer> Question for you gentlemen
[17:35] <Towzzer> Two things I want to customize but can't find the option
[17:36] <Towzzer> bottom panel leaves a little showing when it's hidden
[17:36] <Towzzer> and popup delay of bottom panel
[17:38] <Sysi> afaik not configureable
[17:38] <Towzzer> i think you answered this before
[17:38] <Towzzer> i was another nick
[17:38] <Towzzer> but now i'm more serious about finding the answer
[17:38] <Towzzer> it has to be configurable
[17:38] <Towzzer> i'll recompile
[17:40] <Towzzer> it's so hard to script gui configs
[17:40] <Towzzer> right?
[17:48] <nicofs> What package do I need to play DVDs? I have (x)ubuntu-restricted-extras and libdvdread4... libdvdcss "has no installation candidate" - neither parole nor vlc canplay the dvd i just inserted...
[17:49] <Towzzer> mplayer does it
[17:50] <nicofs> no
[17:50] <Towzzer> no what
[17:51] <nicofs> mplayer doesn't...
[17:51] <Towzzer> ok
[17:51] <Towzzer> what is the device name for your drive
[17:52] <nicofs> Towzzer, how do i find out?
[17:52] <Towzzer> mount
[17:52] <Towzzer> /dev/?
[17:53] <Towzzer> for the cd
[17:54] <nicofs> /dev/sr0
[17:54] <Towzzer> on the termianl type
[17:55] <Towzzer> vlc dvd://
[17:55] <Towzzer> and show me output
[17:55] <nicofs> Last time i tried to watch a DVD, installing libdvdcss did the trick... typing...
[17:56] <nicofs> most striking output is "no css library available"
[17:57] <Towzzer> is this installed?
[17:57] <Towzzer> apt-get install libdvdread4
[17:57] <nicofs> http://pastebin.com/PvRhsA5p is full output
[17:57] <nicofs> libdvdread4 is installed
[17:57] <Towzzer> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[17:57] <Towzzer> try that
[17:57] <Towzzer> that direct line
[17:59] <nicofs> result! ok thanks, working now... so libdvdcss did the trick after all... but why is it noch in the repositories anymore?
[17:59] <nicofs> *not
[18:00] <Towzzer> it is
[18:00] <Towzzer> that's the package
[18:00] <Towzzer> they just make you do it manually for some reaon
[18:00] <Towzzer> i don't know why
[18:00] <Towzzer>  :D
[18:00] <Towzzer> have a nice day and thanks for choosing xubuntu
[18:01] <nicofs> hmm... as long as it works...
[18:01] <nicofs> good line :-D
[18:05] <daz4126> Is it possible to see thumbnail previews of images on the desktop
[18:09] <knome> daz4126, if you open the desktop directory in thunar, yes
[18:10] <daz4126> thanks knome - how do I do that?
[18:10] <knome> daz4126, err, open the file manager and browse to /home/yourusername/Desktop
[18:11] <daz4126> sorry, I get what you meant
[18:11] <daz4126> But anyway to see the previews on the actual desktop?
[18:11] <knome> daz4126, afaik it's not possible to see thumbnails *in the desktop*, at least yet
[18:11] <daz4126> ....shame
[18:12] <daz4126> everything else about xfce is really impressive (been using for a day)
[18:12] <knome> well yes and no, why would you need to see previws on desktop?
[18:12] <daz4126> I generally use the desktop for dumping files I'm currently working on
[18:12] <daz4126> it's nice to see what they are quickly
[18:13] <knome> daz4126, you can always create a launcher to open the desktop directory in thunar
[18:13] <daz4126> knome, I know, but I like using the desktop as a large dumping ground in the background
[18:14] <daz4126> ie without all the other thunar stuff
[18:14] <daz4126> just my personal pref - I can prob live without it though
[18:15] <knome> yeah - the xfce developers are probably going to integrate the desktop stuff with thunar (or then not), this should make previews on desktop possible
[18:15] <daz4126> cool
[18:15] <daz4126> Any suggestions for managing ipods?
[18:15] <knome> i personally think that it is a good goal to keep the desktop clean
[18:15] <daz4126> ... but then all that space is wasted!
[18:15] <knome> umm, there are a few apps for that... try searching synaptic for "pod"
[18:15] <knome> wasted and wasted... ;)
[18:16] <daz4126> I use the desktop like I use the floor at home!
[18:16] <knome> i don't have much visible desktop area anyway
[18:16] <daz4126> Screenlets are also good on the desktop, does xfce have a program for these?
[18:17] <Sysi> rhythmbox/banshee/amarok should be able to deal with ipod
[18:17] <daz4126> or does it support them
[18:17] <daz4126> thanks for ipod suggestions
[18:17] <Sysi> conky works
[18:17] <knome> Sysi, isn't there also gtkpod or something like that
[18:17] <Sysi> might be
[18:17] <knome> yeah conky, but not actual "screenlets" or "widgets" really
[18:18] <daz4126> would prefer to keep gmusicbrowser rather than install banshee or rytymbox
[18:18] <knome> daz4126, yeah, try gtkpod or something like that - there should be something that is only controlling the ipod stuff, not media playing
[18:18] <daz4126> Was just wondering if there was a recommended ipod manager for xfce specifically
[18:18] <knome> no, not really
[18:18] <daz4126> I've used gtkpod before, so might give it a try
[18:19] <daz4126> thanks! :)
[18:19] <knome> i wouldn't recommend amarok, since it will pull many kde dependencies
[18:19] <Sysi> about every kde app pulls :/
[18:19] <knome> yeah.
[18:20] <knome> if you pull in one app, then it's not *so bad* to pull in an another
[18:20] <daz4126> I definitely want to avoid loads of kde (or gnome) dependencies if possible
[18:20] <Sysi> i always end up with almost entire gnome and kde
[18:20] <daz4126> I'm trying to keep it light
[18:20] <daz4126> ... but might have to install gedit
[18:20] <daz4126> mousepad is nice, but no syntax highlighting is a pita
[18:21] <knome> yeah, i also need gedit as long as mousepad doesn't support changing the background color :P
[18:21] <Sysi> geany is also nice and light
[18:21] <knome> daz4126, let's try to keep the channel family friendly, even with abbreviations, thanks :)
[18:21] <knome> but i do agree that mousepad needs syntax highlighting
[18:21] <daz4126> sorry ... first time i've used irc
[18:22] <knome> the xfce devs were doing something about that, iirc
[18:22] <daz4126> mousepad looks really nice
[18:22] <knome> but i have no idea of an ETA or what that should be
[18:22] <knome> well, it's a ver basic text editor
[18:22] <daz4126> i'm even considering doing without syntax highlighting
[18:22] <Sysi> i mostly need syntax hilight for config files so i use vim
[18:22] <knome> Sysi, definitely not "light" when compared to gedit/(especially) mousepad
[18:23] <daz4126> I've just put gedit into synaptic
[18:23] <daz4126> It only has 4 dependencies I think
[18:23] <daz4126> ... are they ALL listed
[18:23] <daz4126> ?
[18:24] <daz4126> Or will Gnome get pulled in automatically?
[18:24] <Sysi> it's just a text editor, shouldn't need half of gnome to work
[18:24] <knome> yes, gedit is quite "light" to pull in
[18:25] <daz4126> So it's not really linked to Gnome much?
[18:25] <knome> not really
[18:25] <knome> why would it? like Sysi just said, it's *just* a text eitor
[18:25] <knome> +d
[18:26] <daz4126> I'm new to how much things depend on stuff
[18:26] <daz4126> Not sure how tied apps are to the DE
[18:26] <Sysi> knome: for vim, root stuff is better done in CLI ans nano has quite randomly working hilights
[18:26] <knome> daz4126, you will just have to look :)
[18:26] <knome> Sysi, but vim doesn't have the most intuitive keystrokes...
[18:26] <daz4126> knome - I will, it's interesting
[18:26] <knome> Sysi, (i still don't know how to *quit* vim)
[18:27] <Sysi> knome: if you just want to edit text, it isn't really that hard
[18:27] <knome> Sysi, if i only wanted to edit text, why not use nano, since it has all the same features for that, and a more user-friendly interface?:)
[18:28] <knome> of course, this is a matter of taste
[18:28] <knome> if i need to edit something with a more powerful editor, i'll fire up gedit
[18:28] <Sysi> if syntax hilight worked better on nano.. search too
[18:28] <knome> (i do know the GUI editors (especially with syntax highlighting) are slower, but i can deal with that as most of the configuration files are not huge)
[18:29] <Sysi> if i did programming, i'd propably use kwrite
[18:30] <knome> ugh.
[18:30] <defusr> how to start a new server for a new plugged in monitor (with xrandr)? only found a tutorial for xorg.conf
[18:30] <knome> something like geany for programming would be okay
[18:30] <Sysi> (kwrite is like kate but simpler)
[18:30] <knome> defusr, why do you especially want a new server?
[18:31] <Sysi> defusr: separate xserver or just extend the desktop?
[18:31] <knome> Sysi, i don't know kate well, and kwrite i don't know at all, but if you are using xfce, it just doesn't make so much sense to dig the k-apps first :)
[18:33] <Sysi> knome: well, they seemed nice and kwrite was firt to offer automatic completion
[18:33] <defusr> well I've read the ubuntu wiki and they said having a separate xserver is more suitable for notebooks which might be connected to various other monitors
[18:33] <knome> Sysi, doesn't geany support that as well?
[18:34] <Sysi> knome: propably, but i've never tried it for the lack of need
[18:34] <knome> :)
[18:35] <Sysi> right now i'd like to test gnome3, it seems great
[18:36] <Sysi> great usability stuff, but lacking some options
[18:37] <knome> right
[18:37] <knome> bbl
[18:37] <daz4126> Talking of Gnome 3, will xfce start using gtk3 in the future?
[18:40] <defusr> so, I disabled the external monitor and I'd like to start a new xserver for this one. what would be the command for that?
[18:54] <Towzzer> I was hopeing to move to xubuntu on my laptop
[18:54] <Towzzer> but word docx don't opening perfectly
[18:54] <Towzzer> they sometimes have flaws
[18:55] <keithpeter> Towzzer: I use libreoffice to open docx and pptx files - its a bigger program than Abiword
[18:56] <keithpeter> Towzzer and still not perfect
[19:07] <daz4126> Anybody got experience of using Ubuntu One or Dropbox?
[19:07] <keithpeter> daz4126: I use dropbox with the command line install
[19:08] <daz4126> command line install?
[19:08] <keithpeter> daz4126: http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall
[19:09] <Towzzer> keithpeter
[19:09] <Towzzer> i'm still debating , it's just an annoying thing to have to convert my documents
[19:09] <Towzzer> and if i get other peoples stuff
[19:09] <Towzzer> it could be messed up
[19:09] <Towzzer> that's very fustrating
[19:09] <Towzzer> docx full compatiblity should be libreoffice's number 1 priority
[19:09] <keithpeter> daz4126: see http://bodmas.org/xubuntu/ bottom paragraph for how to set it up on Xubuntu so it autostarts the daemon
[19:10] <Sysi> Towzzer: it will be there, but don't know when
[19:10] <Towzzer> keithpeter , can you customize the bottom panel in xfce
[19:10] <Towzzer> it keeps a small gray line
[19:10] <Towzzer> that causes me intense burning anger
[19:10] <Sysi> teach people to send things in more generic format, like .doc
[19:11] <Sysi> remove that panel totally?
[19:11] <keithpeter> Towzzer: I use pdf from libreoffice to windowze world at work and then I use 'save as pdf'  from Word back to saneworld
[19:11] <daz4126> keithpeter - Thanks!
[19:12] <Towzzer> I like the panel , i just want it totally hidden and faster popup
[19:12] <Towzzer> keithpeter , sometimes people send me docx or pptx
[19:13] <Sysi> it should pop up instantly
[19:13] <keithpeter> Towzzer: yes, but I'm no expert, post in ubuntuforums and the ones who spend ages on customising their desktop will reply
[19:13] <Sysi> it does that for me
[19:13] <keithpeter> Towzzer: can they be pursuaded to send PDFs?
[19:13] <Towzzer> on windows that would require them to have acrobat pro installed
[19:14] <Towzzer> or use a second level hard to use pdf converter
[19:14] <keithpeter> Towzzer: do you need to edit and return the files?
[19:14] <Towzzer> maybe
[19:14] <Towzzer> i like freedom
[19:14] <Towzzer> it has a slight delay
[19:14] <Towzzer> like 300ms
[19:14] <Towzzer> i need instant
[19:14] <keithpeter> Towzzer: nope, Word 2007 and 2010 both have save as pdf, and they are the ones that produce docx and pptx. The older Word/Office did doc and ppt
[19:15] <Towzzer> but isn't editing a pdf difficult
[19:15] <Towzzer> also there is a quality reduction on images and graphics
[19:15] <Towzzer> from word
[19:17] <Towzzer> I was just shocked, I thought that docx support would be 100% by now
[19:18] <keithpeter> Towzzer: right, so you have to receive docx, edit, and return files. Its LibreOffice or MS Office under WINE then Sir
[19:18] <Sysi> even doc supporrt isn't still perfect
[19:18] <keithpeter> Towzzer: can your correspondants save their docx files as RTF?
[19:19] <Sysi> little flaws on some documents or use windows
[19:19] <Towzzer> i'm thinking
[19:19] <Towzzer>  :D
[19:20] <Towzzer> you know how to turn the screensaver off when it comes back from hibernate
[19:21] <keithpeter> Towzzer: hibernate ain't working on my laptop, so no
[19:21] <Sysi> change screensaver settings or powermanager settings
[19:21] <Towzzer> I did, there is nothing that says "screensaver after resuming from hibernate"
[19:22] <keithpeter> I'm off to cook the tea
[19:22] <Sysi> lock screen feature does that, depending about your screensaver settings
[19:27] <Towzzer> it's off
[19:28] <Towzzer> in thunar the right click menu doesn't stay open
[19:28] <Towzzer> you have to hold right click
[19:28] <Towzzer> is that normal
[19:28] <Towzzer> or a bug
[19:28] <Towzzer> on my part
[19:29] <Sysi> propably works after relogin/reboot, if it's been always like that it's a bug
[19:29] <Towzzer> I think i know what happened i've been messing with gtk settings to fix xfce up
[19:32] <daz4126> Is there any way to remember the position of folder windows?
[19:32] <daz4126> every time I open a folder it opens thunar in the top left corner of the desktop
[19:33] <Sysi> it opens to emptiest space, i guess it would be hard to get
[19:34] <daz4126> oh, right. That makes kind of sense.
[19:34] <daz4126> I don't like them being tight in the corner though...
[19:37] <drc> daz4126: Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Window Manager>Advanced
[19:38] <daz4126> which setting?
[19:49] <Soupermanito> were are wallpaper stored?
[19:50] <Sysi> defaults?
[19:53] <Towzzer> do you think xfce gets as slow as gnome
[19:53] <Towzzer> if you use gnome libraries
[19:53] <Towzzer> like if I install gedit
[20:20] <Soupermanito> oh well
[20:20] <Soupermanito> my internet choosed to stop working
[20:21] <Soupermanito> i wonder, can i make /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops a dynamic link folder to a >/home/me/Images/wallpapers folder, so i have the walls on my /home partition?
[20:26] <sauerbraten> hello, I got a problem with my notebook. It's a quite new lenovo z370 and ubuntu doesn't recognize my card reader. It does not mount any cards inserted, neither shows them in gparted, no matter if they are inserted before booting or while running xubuntu already
[20:58] <bin_bash> hi
[20:58] <bin_bash> I have a fun new problem!
[20:58] <bin_bash> So, I was using skype, and I started my webcam and the screen went black and the cursor was still there but i couldn't do anything except hardboot
[20:59] <bin_bash> when i rebooted and logged in, x froze and again i couldn't do anything except reboot
[20:59] <knome> sauerbraten, have you googled if the card reader is supported in linux altogether?
[20:59] <bin_bash> I ran fsck and then rebooted again
[20:59] <bin_bash> but then I couldn't login AT ALL
[20:59] <bin_bash> it goes to the login screen and when i try to login, flashes the cli and then goes right back to the login screen
[20:59] <bin_bash> i can start xfce from the command line, but only as root.
[21:00] <bin_bash> when i try to start it without root, it says it's already running
[21:00] <bin_bash> then it says it can't access .ICEauthority
[21:00] <knome> try to remove that file
[21:00] <bin_bash> did that
[21:00] <bin_bash> didn't work
[21:01] <sauerbraten> knome, nope and I got the same hint in #ubuntu. thanks though :) I thought card reader support would be something implemented quicker :D
[21:01] <knome> have you removed the cache?
[21:01] <bin_bash> knome: nope
[21:01] <knome> sauerbraten, card readers and devices that are not *so* usual do not often get support quickly, just because not many linux devs have/use those devices
[21:02] <Xornot> is there any way to disable the ubuntu notifier so as to use only the xubuntu one?
[21:02] <knome> Soupermanito, re: backdrops dir; i don't see any reason why you couldn't create a symlink
[21:02] <Soupermanito> kk
[21:02] <Soupermanito> i was thinking to do that
[21:04] <knome> Xornot, of course, just can't remember that from the top of my head, have you tried googling for solution? afaik osd-notify is the "default" notification system
[21:04] <Soupermanito> but i wondered if there where some option somewhere to tell xfdesktop-settings to look at it instead
[21:04] <knome> Soupermanito, probably easier to create the symlink anyway
[21:05] <Sysi> afaik it's impossible to have two notification apps installed
[21:05] <Soupermanito> true
[21:05] <knome> Soupermanito, but i don't know really
[21:05] <Soupermanito> sysi wants me to workaround it XD
[21:07] <dusf> Sysi: further to our conversation of earlier, can i just sudo apt-get remove nautilus to for xfce to run the desktop?
[21:07] <Sysi> if you don't need it
[21:07] <Soupermanito> i did that and i dont regret it
[21:09] <Soupermanito> so what i will have to do is >sudo rm /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops       and then >sudo ln -s /home/me/Images/backdrops backdrops
[21:09] <Soupermanito> ?
[21:10] <dusf> Sysi: ty dude
[21:10] <knome> Soupermanito, err, rather try creating a subdirectory than remove the directory
[21:11] <Soupermanito> :/ but will the xfdesktop-settings look into folders?
[21:12] <Sysi> try and see
[21:12] <knome> Soupermanito, i'd say try that at first.
[21:13] <Soupermanito> nope it doesnt
[21:16] <Soupermanito> :/
[21:19] <Soupermanito> weeeeelll, here goes nothing, if it fails i will have no more wallpapers :D
[21:22] <Soupermanito> :D I HAS NO WALLPAPERS!
[21:23] <knome> Soupermanito, probably check the directory permissions next
[21:23] <knome> Soupermanito, but we can't really give any more support...
[21:24] <Soupermanito> shhh dont tell anyone, i was positioned on another folder so i created the symlink inside home shhh
[21:25] <Soupermanito> :D I HAS WALLPAPERS!
[21:26] <Soupermanito> i wonder if i could make bash to tell me AWESOME if i write :D in the command line
[21:28] <knome> conrgratulations, but let's please not SHOUT
[21:32] <Soupermanito> it was important
[21:39] <sauerbraten> Soupermanito, I got some really great wallpapers from something called "the internet" or something like that, you know? :P
[21:39] <knome> sauerbraten, he was referring to something else
[21:39]  * Soupermanito nods nods, winks winks
[21:40] <sauerbraten> though I like the "internet" :P
[21:40] <Towzzer> is there a good graphical bandwidth monitor
[21:41] <Towzzer> or network status monitor
[21:41] <Towzzer> you know
[21:41] <Towzzer> ip , bw etc
[21:42] <Soupermanito> like gnome-system-monitor?
[21:42] <Soupermanito> or something for your desktop?
[21:43] <Sysi> hum, instead of switching away from xubuntu i could do something actually sensible like read to entrance exam
[21:43] <knome> Towzzer, try cbm or wireshark from the repositories (i have no experience about those though)
[21:44] <Administ1ator> how do i move the minimize/maximize/close buttons to the left?
[21:44] <Sysi> Administ1ator: window manager settings
[21:44] <knome> Towzzer, err, i don't think wireshark does the job. sorry. cbm could work though
[21:45] <Administ1ator> Sysi: thanks
[21:45] <knome> Sysi, good luck with the exams
[22:08] <bin_bash> fixed it
[22:08] <bin_bash> :D
[22:17] <bin_bash> Hey there Westie
[22:48] <bin_bash> Hey there firem
[22:48] <bin_bash> FiremanEd*