[08:34] <Pendulum> TheMuso: I notice it's not listed on the blueprint, but is 'making Unity 2D accessibile' something you expect to have brought up in the Unity 2D Oneiric Improvements session?
[08:35] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yes.
[08:35] <kinouchou> hi Pendulum 
[08:35] <Pendulum> TheMuso: great :)
[08:35] <Cheri703> I think I may have missed one of the accessibility blueprints, I'm going to go make sure
[08:35]  * Pendulum only has internet over 3G so won't really even be able to do remote participation until Thursday
[08:36] <Pendulum> and I was just trying to sort out sessions where a11y should get mentioned ;-)
[08:36] <kinouchou> Pendulum: you are at UDS?
[08:36] <Pendulum> kinouchou: no :(
[08:37] <kinouchou> :(
[08:37] <Daniel0108> hi
[08:37] <kinouchou> i want see you
[08:37] <kinouchou> hi Daniel0108 
[08:38] <Daniel0108> Who is at the UDS? :P
[08:39] <kinouchou> me
[08:42] <Pendulum> charlie-tca is, but I doubt he has a computer with him
[08:43] <Daniel0108> hi hajour
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha hajour 
[08:44] <Daniel0108> hajour: Which meeting are you going to attend ?
[08:45] <TheMuso> Hi folks, I'm here at UDS also.
[08:45] <Cheri703> I'm here
[08:45] <Cheri703> *at uds
[08:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'm here *at home, with no video or audio stream* :(
[08:46] <Daniel0108> :(
[08:46] <UndiFineD> :)
[08:46] <Daniel0108> I'm at UDS too :P
[08:47] <Cheri703> Daniel0108: are you in/behind the 3rd row (or anyone?)
[08:48] <Daniel0108> I'm behind the 3rd row
[08:48] <Cheri703> ok, right or left side?
[08:48] <Daniel0108> I'm directly beside the 4th door, right side
[08:50] <Cheri703> ok, I'm almost opposite corner :)
[08:50] <Daniel0108> oh, lol
[08:50] <Cheri703> I am hanging out with hypatia most of the time, she has bright pink hair :) she's my "how to find cheri" landmark :)
[08:50] <Cheri703> where are you headed after this?
[08:50] <TheMuso> I'm on the right side of the ballroom somewhere near the middle.
[08:51] <MrChrisDruif> Yay!
[08:51] <Daniel0108> Community Roundtable or Desktop Roundtable, Cheri703 
[08:51] <Cheri703> I'm headed to community roundtable I think
[08:53] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: okay
[08:53] <TheMuso> Hrm I don't remember seeing the desktop round table...
[08:54] <Cheri703> it's in jozsef
[08:55] <Cheri703> room 12 on the name badge map :)
[08:55] <TheMuso> Oh there it is.
[08:55] <TheMuso> Yay, now the challenge of actually finding that room
[08:55] <TheMuso> Sorry maps are no use to me.
[08:55] <Cheri703> oh, sorry
[08:55] <TheMuso> np
[08:55] <Cheri703> if you go out of this room and turn left, it's down the hallway
[08:55] <Cheri703> it's on the way to mine.
[08:56] <TheMuso> Brilliant, thanks for that.
[08:56] <Cheri703> on the left hand side of the hallway
[08:56] <Cheri703> middle room
[08:56]  * TheMuso hopes to get a drink on the way... Damn warm in here.
[08:56] <Cheri703> yeah, I brought a water bottle :)
[08:56] <kinouchou> +1 TheMuso 
[08:56] <Daniel0108> +1 TheMuso
[08:57]  * Cheri703 is also carrying a big honking bag, so...
[08:57] <Cheri703> trade-offs
[08:57] <Cheri703> TheMuso: where are you seated in here?
[08:57] <hajour> what room TheMuso ?
[08:57] <MrChrisDruif> Like Jono said "Drink responsibly"
[08:57] <Daniel0108> hajour: Community Roundtable?
[08:57] <Cheri703> hajour: do you know what session you are headed to?
[08:57] <hajour> i am in the room where the readings are
[08:57] <TheMuso> I am right hand side, somewhere in the middle, near the middle exit door I think.
[08:58] <Cheri703> ok, cool. I'm near the front, opposite the doors
[08:58] <kinouchou> if somebody needs help, i can help him
[08:58] <TheMuso> A couple of rows in front of where the middle set of PA speakers are located.
[08:58] <Cheri703> I can as well
[08:58] <hajour> are you in the hall TheMuso ?
[08:58] <Daniel0108> hajour: yes, I'm there too, but I mean, in which room are you going to be the next hour?
[08:58]  * Cheri703 is more than happy to play guide dog as needed :D
[08:58] <hajour> because i can go get you if you like TheMuso 
[08:58] <TheMuso> MrChrisDruif: Jono was referring to alcohol. :)
[08:58] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm in the hall, I'm directly beside the 4th door
[08:58] <TheMuso> I am going to the desktop round table room.
[08:59] <TheMuso> I.e Joszef.
[08:59] <TheMuso> This room is not big enough for all of us.
[08:59] <TheMuso> Anyway, oging to pack up now.
[08:59] <Cheri703> Anyone who needs a hand going point a to point b, let me know
[09:00] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: Are you going to the Community Roundtable?
[09:00] <Cheri703> yes
[09:00] <Cheri703> the desktop one is on the way :)
[09:00] <kinouchou> me too
[09:00] <Cheri703> cool, I'll keep an eye out for you guys :)
[09:01] <Daniel0108> me too
[09:01] <hajour> TheMuso,  are you in c orinthia hotel?
[09:01] <Cheri703> I'm the one with the orange lanyard ;)
[09:01] <Cheri703> oh, random question I've always wondered: screen readers: how do they handle emoticons?
[09:01] <Cheri703> and/or punctuation
[09:02] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: I'm the one with the white T-Shirt with TouchLay on it :P
[09:02] <Cheri703> I have this idea in my head that they do (or should) say "winky face" or "smiley face" or "angry face" etc
[09:03] <hajour> TheMuso,  i go look or i can find you i go to the hall .
[09:03] <Daniel0108> hajour: When are you going to the Community Roundtable?
[09:04] <MrChrisDruif> Finally, stream is back
[09:04] <Daniel0108> great
[09:07] <hajour> TheMuso, i am in the hall
[09:08] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm there too
[09:08] <Cheri703> am I the only one of us that is in the room?
[09:09] <kinouchou> no I'm in the room
[09:09] <Cheri703> kk
[09:09] <Daniel0108> has the Roundtable already started?
[09:09] <Cheri703> I doubt it?
[09:09] <Cheri703> since this thing is still going
[09:10] <Daniel0108> yeah, but it's already 10 AM
[09:10] <Daniel0108> it's 10:10 AM
[09:10] <Cheri703> yeah, this is running over, and at least most people are here, and they're not going to walk out of the keynote, so...I think they'd probably wait for people
[09:11] <Daniel0108> yes
[09:11] <Daniel0108> I'm still in the Grand Ballroom too
[09:16] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: are you in the Kazincy room?
[09:17] <Cheri703> I'm still in the ballroom
[09:17] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: okay, me too
[09:17] <Daniel0108> I need a power source :/ Battery's low
[09:17] <Cheri703> a plug?
[09:17] <Daniel0108> yes
[09:17] <Cheri703> I have an adapter and power strip with me
[09:18] <Cheri703> *euro adapter
[09:18] <Daniel0108> me too
[09:18] <Daniel0108> wb hajour
[09:18] <hajour> its not a good connection here
[09:19] <Cheri703> which network are you on?
[09:19] <UndiFineD> for the audio streams I tink we have to wait for the keynote to end
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: Connect to Ubuntu
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: Royal is not good here
[09:19] <hajour> i am going to the table from name tags Daniel0108 
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: now?
[09:21] <Daniel0108> hajour: are you still in the hall?
[09:24] <Daniel0108> hi ivanka 
[09:24] <Daniel0108> hajour?
[09:25] <hajour> Daniel0108,  i am close by the name tag table
[09:25] <Daniel0108> okay
[09:25] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm coming
[09:27] <hajour> i not no how you look Daniel0108 
[09:30] <hajour> TheMuso, is the maker frokm orca if i am right Daniel
[09:30] <hajour> from
[09:35] <UndiFineD> hajour, lees je pm
[09:43] <TheMuso> hajour: No.
[09:46] <Daniel0108> I'm back, hajour
[09:49] <kinouchou> no accessibility session today?
[09:50] <TheMuso> No sessions specific to accessibility I believe, but the Unity 2D session will have accessibility discussion.
[09:51] <kinouchou> and an informal meeting? 
[09:52] <TheMuso> No meetings formal or informal that I know of.
[09:53] <Pendulum> wow, really impressed with the number of people signed to go to the Invisible Exhibition
[09:53] <Cheri703> Pendulum: do you have that link handy?
[09:54] <Pendulum> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/949/detail/
[09:54] <Cheri703> thanks
[10:22] <AlanBell> TheMuso: is the blind chap from linaro on the list for the invisible exhibition yet?
[10:36] <TheMuso> AlanBell: I don't know, I'd have to have a look.
[10:38] <Cheri703> there is another blind gentleman here, works for canonical. I mentioned the exhibit to him, not sure if he is wanting to go
[10:42] <Daniel0108> TheMuso: are you here?
[10:42] <TheMuso> Daniel0108: Yes, I am currently in Dery in the Unity 2D session.
[10:43] <Daniel0108> TheMuso: oh, okay, I'm going to be in the LoCo directory session at 12:00 AM
[10:44] <Cheri703> Daniel0108: I am going to be there as well
[10:44] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: oh okay, I missed the two first sessions :/
[10:44] <Cheri703> :/
[10:44] <Daniel0108> It's my first UDS, lol
[10:44] <Cheri703> mine too!
[10:44] <Daniel0108> and the long Keynode messed the schedule up :P
[10:44] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: where are you?
[10:45] <Cheri703> I'm in the session about maturity ratings, room arany, though I may duck out a few minutes early
[10:46] <Cheri703> I'm in as Cheri703 and cheri703-mobile, I'll get pinged on both on my phone once my computer is back in its bag :)
[10:47]  * TheMuso is heading to the image media space session, i.e the session at 12:00 in Elod.
[10:50]  * TheMuso now needs to find elod...
[13:01]  * Cheri703 isn't going to the plenary sessions
[13:34] <hajour> wanted to let you know i talked with someone from canonical this afternoon and they want to use browserspeak for the buttons in above bar from the screen 
[13:34] <hajour> pleia2, ^
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> In above bar from the screen?
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> You mean the top panel?
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; ^
[13:36] <hajour> yes MrChrisDruif 
[13:37] <hajour> just had have a talk from i think more then a half hour
[13:37] <MrChrisDruif> Button....you mean the globalmenu?
[13:38] <hajour> not remember anymore but they go come to here or to speechcontrol if they had more questions
[13:39] <hajour> TheMuso,  see above lines about browserspeak
[13:39] <hajour> i not yet have found you TheMuso 
[13:39] <hajour> my laptop is still not full charged
[13:40] <hajour> so i need to leave in the hotel room
[13:40] <hajour> but the cleaning lady is here to clean up the room so i stay till see is finished
[13:41] <hajour> mhall119,  have you read above lines?
[13:41] <hajour> conninical part
[13:42] <hajour> canonical i mean
[13:44] <mhall119> hajour: just read it, but I'm not involved in desktop development, so I'm not sure how I caould be involved
[13:44] <hajour> it was just sharing the good news mh:)
[13:45] <hajour> mhall119, 
[13:45] <hajour> i not need help with that now
[13:45] <hajour> only i not know my way around here.
[13:46] <hajour> feeling som lost here downstairs by the readingrooms
[13:47] <hajour> i need to put out my laptop else it never go charge up
[13:47] <mhall119> hajour: sorry, I'm on the 4th floor working with my team, not downstairs in the sessions
[13:48] <hajour> well i go soon downstairs again. long i keep it up anyway.
[13:54] <hajour> hi Pendulum  :) just have spoken to person from canonical.and they want to go use browserspeak for top panel and things like that
[13:54] <AlanBell> how would that work?
[13:56] <hajour> he said if you use the click the button then right away would speak out loud the function
[13:56] <hajour> i have told if he got questions he can come here or in speechcontrol AlanBell 
[13:56] <Pendulum> hajour: do you know who you talked to?
[13:57] <AlanBell> ok, so looking at the code for browserspeak it is some javascript plugins for chrome/firefox with a dependency on openmary (hardcoded to one running on localhost)
[13:57] <hajour> not remember my laptop battery was empty
[13:57] <hajour> so i could not make a note
[13:58] <AlanBell> the unity sidebar isn't rendered by a browser and openmary isn't in debian yet so I am not sure how browserspeak could be used in this context
[13:58] <hajour> but he said we would talk later this week again
[13:58] <hajour> i not know or he was from unity AlanBell  or is unity the same like canonical?
[13:59] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[13:59] <AlanBell> Unity is the user interface to the Ubuntu desktop
[13:59] <hajour> but its good right? or not?
[14:00] <UndiFineD> wow hajour nice work
[14:00] <hajour> now i go doubt if i it was good honest say
[14:00] <hajour> :)
[14:01] <AlanBell> not sure, I am still a bit confused, but if you send people here that would be great
[14:02] <AlanBell> this is the code we are talking about right? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~speechcontrol-devel/browserspeak/trunk/files
[14:03] <hajour> also i have introduced daniel0108 by them because they already further with touchtables .its arranged someone who speaks german will learn daniel0108 more from it
[14:03] <hajour> that person kis also from canonical
[14:03] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, I think they want to use openmary to speak the buttons
[14:03] <hajour> -k
[14:03] <hajour> yes UndiFineD 
[14:03] <hajour> that i mean
[14:04] <AlanBell> that would be a bad idea if not going through speech dispatcher
[14:04] <UndiFineD> of course the would be done via SD
[14:04] <hajour> they go use speech dispather
[14:04] <UndiFineD> but I think the person was convinced of the voice qualities
[14:04] <hajour> i told about libopenmary and openmary and espeak orca ect.
[14:05] <hajour> i am better with speaking then write AlanBell 
[14:05] <hajour> at least its now more coming
[14:05] <hajour> needed first to adjust more
[14:06] <AlanBell> yup, hope you are enjoying it all
[14:06] <AlanBell> do try and grab names of interesting people you talk to
[14:07] <hajour> need my laptop if i want write names :(
[14:08] <AlanBell> where is your laptop?
[14:08] <hajour> everytime i think i talk to someone from ubuntu it later seams to be someone from canonical
[14:08] <hajour> here in hotelroom it needed to charge ala
[14:08] <Pendulum> hajour: well most Ubuntu people at UDS are also Canonical employees
[14:08] <hajour> battery was very low
[14:10] <hajour> then i was go downstairs without laptop and just run in to the person from canonical see above
[14:10] <hajour> i talk more easy in some small groups then in big groups
[14:11] <hajour> hee leoquant 
[14:12] <TheMuso> hajour: Most of the discussion rooms have power strips that you can plug into.
[14:13] <hajour> ok so i can take laptop with me TheMuso 
[14:13] <TheMuso> Yes.
[14:14] <hajour> also i not know what is standing on the doors :(
[14:14] <hajour> TheMuso, ^
[14:14] <TheMuso> I don't know what you mean either.
[14:15] <hajour> on the doors are standing words but its hard to read
[14:16] <hajour> anyway i go to downstairs now i not have come to here to stay on a hotelroom
[17:07] <cprofitt> hello all
[17:07] <AlanBell> hi cprofitt 
[17:08] <Cheri703> hi cprofitt 
[17:08] <cprofitt> good sessions today AlanBell -- miss being there
[17:08] <cprofitt> for the most part the audio was good, but being there allows for discussions after the session
[17:09] <AlanBell> I am not there either
[17:31] <UndiFineD> eh 
[17:31] <UndiFineD> how can we have 2 accessibility meeting at the same time tomorrow ?
[17:35] <AlanBell> UndiFineD: they will move apart, don't worry
[17:35] <maco> AlanBell: not without interference
[17:36] <maco> the Qt one was manually put there because it used to be at 4-am-my-time and i'm the one going to be doing most of that
[17:37] <AlanBell> yeah, they must both have been manually scheduled, I will arrange some interference
[17:38] <AlanBell> anyone object to the community one moving?
[17:39] <UndiFineD> better apart then together
[17:41] <Pendulum> fine by me, although is there any way you can find out who manually scheduled it in the first place so that you can figure out what other conditions might need to be fulfilled?
[17:44] <AlanBell> it would have been done by jcastro or jono
[17:49] <maco> the Qt one was ScottK
[19:56] <hajour> i lost connection but i go sleep now goodnight all
[21:26] <phillw> ;terminal
[21:45] <Cheri703> did anyone notice that 2 accessibility sessions are scheduled concurrently tomorrow?
[21:49] <AlanBell> Cheri703: yes
[21:49] <Cheri703> ok, is that ok? there are actually 3 sessions that hour that I want to go to :/
[21:50] <AlanBell> not OK, if you see jcastro or jono can you point it out to them please
[21:50] <AlanBell> the community one needs to move I think as the Kubuntu one is fixed for maco's availability
[21:50] <Cheri703> ok, yeah, I want to go to the community one too
[21:51] <maco> AlanBell: the kubuntu one can go an hour later as well
[21:51] <AlanBell> ok, good to know
[21:52] <Cheri703> so ideally all 3 would be on separate hours, yes?
[21:52] <Cheri703> oh, you're talking about a different one, nvm
[21:52] <AlanBell> jono should be able to sort it out, grab him before, during or after the community round table
[21:52] <Cheri703> kk
[22:10] <paul_h1> hi, anyone on here know anything about the kAccessibility screen reader?
[22:14] <AlanBell> maco: would be the one to talk to about that
[22:15] <maco> paul_h1: hello
[22:15] <maco> #kde-accessibility is actually probably better
[22:16] <maco> ive used kaccessible a little to test it out, but not much
[22:16] <paul_h1> maco: any idea if I could install it on a system running gnome to read qt apps for me?
[22:16] <maco> paul_h1: should work
[22:17] <maco> you need to export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 before running the Qt apps
[22:17] <maco> so you could do:    QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 kmail
[22:17] <maco> for example
[22:18] <paul_h1> QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 virtualbox-ose
[22:19] <maco> i haven't tried it with vbox yet, so let me know how that goes
[22:19] <maco> should also be a way to set the environment variable in gnome session startup, but i don't know it
[22:20] <maco> maybe in ~/.gnomerc, but i don't know if that's still how it's done (im seeing it in c. 2004-2005 posts)
[22:24] <paul_h1> maco: hmmm not getting anything. what speech synthesizer is it meant to use?
[22:28] <maco> paul_h1: espeak i think. however it is possible that there is a tray icon that you can't see in the tray that if you open it will drop out a menu with a checkbox to turn on speech
[22:28] <maco> note to self: sort out how to make kaccessible start turned *on*
[22:34] <paul_h1> maco: oh right. yeah tray always been problematic 
[22:35] <paul_h1> maco: guess I'll have to setup my vm's from the command line :)