[03:30] <iSkorup> Hey gang
[06:42] <highvoltage> /win 19
[12:07] <inashdeen> hi,anyone here?
[12:07] <inashdeen> i want to make a suggestion
[15:19] <_persia> Is anyone attnding this meeting on IRC?
[15:20] <czajkowski> _persia: which one
[15:20]  * ogra_ is 
[15:20] <ogra_> DMB
[15:20] <czajkowski> wish there was a bot that annouced meetings in here
[15:20] <ogra_> there once was :)
[15:21] <czajkowski> ogra_: did you break it ...
[15:21] <cody-somerville> #startmeeting
[15:21] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:21. The chair is cody-somerville.
[15:21] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:21] <psusi> you mean is anyone who is physically at uds also here on irc?
[15:21] <ogra_> i never touched IRC bots in my life
[15:21] <rdiankov> rdiankov is here for the per-package-uploader application
[15:22] <rdiankov> let me know when you guys get around to it
[15:22] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Application for Ubuntu Core Developer: Christopher James Halse Rogers
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Application for Ubuntu Core Developer: Christopher James Halse Rogers
[15:23] <ogra_> geez, he isnt core dev already ?!?
[15:23] <cody-somerville> RAOF_, Hi. Could you introduce yourself and your application?
[15:23] <maco> oh, this channel
[15:23] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisHalseRogers/CoreDevApplication
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisHalseRogers/CoreDevApplication
[15:23] <sconklin> link to agenda?
[15:23] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:24] <RAOF_> Hi.  I'm Chris Halse Rogers.  I've been involved in Ubuntu for… 5 years now?
[15:24] <RAOF_> I started off working on various packages in Universe; I had the TIL status on miro for quite some time.
[15:24] <RAOF_> I'm the maintainer of GNOME Do, and I'm (somewhat) active in packaging mono apps in Ubuntu & pkg-cli-* in Debian.
[15:25] <RAOF_> I'm currently one of our X maintainers, along with Bryce.
[15:25] <Laney> There's some more information here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-April/000201.html (we started this application on email)
[15:25] <stgraber> E-mail discussion so far: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-April/000190.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-April/000192.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-April/000201.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-May/000217.html
[15:25] <Laney> :-)
[15:26]  * stgraber doesn't have any question for RAOF_ and is ready to vote
[15:26] <maco> ditto
[15:26]  * Laney had his questions answered on email, so no more from me either ...
[15:27] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Application for Ubuntu Core Developer: Christopher James Halse Rogers
[15:27] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Application for Ubuntu Core Developer: Christopher James Halse Rogers.
[15:27] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[15:27] <cody-somerville> +1
[15:27] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:27] <maco> +1 i'm with ogra
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[15:27] <ogra_> :)
[15:27] <stgraber> +1
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[15:27] <bdrung> +1
[15:27] <MootBot> +1 received from bdrung. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[15:27] <Laney> +1 // please don't forget about pkg-cli-* ♥
[15:27] <MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[15:28] <_persia> +1 : long history, clean work
[15:28] <MootBot> +1 received from _persia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[15:28] <cody-somerville> #endvote
[15:28] <maco> :-o persia's back!
[15:28]  * ogra_ feels less alone knowing that maco is with him
[15:28] <cody-somerville> #endvote
[15:28] <ogra_> maco, even at UDS :)
[15:28] <Laney> [endvote]
[15:28] <cody-somerville> [endvote]
[15:28] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[15:29] <Laney> \o/
[15:29] <RAOF_> \o/
[15:29] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Marcin Juszkiewicz
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Marcin Juszkiewicz
[15:29] <hrw> ;)
[15:29] <hrw> o/
[15:29] <cody-somerville> hrw, Hi Marcin. Could you please introduce yourself and your application?
[15:29] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplicationForUniverseContributor
[15:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplicationForUniverseContributor
[15:30]  * ogra_ cheers for hrw 
[15:30] <hrw> Hi, I'm Marcin Juszkiewicz, working for Linaro. most of my work is related to cross compilation support in Ubuntu (since 10.10).
[15:30] <hrw> I maintain cross toolchain (amd64/i386 -> armel) and work on fixing ftfbs on armel platform
[15:31] <hrw> user of Debian since 1999, moved to Ubuntu year ago due to Linaro work.
[15:32] <hrw> 7 years in OpenEmbedded project as developer, worked as release maintainer of last versions of OpenZaurus distribution
[15:32] <Laney> could Debian benefit from any of your work in Ubuntu? Have you been involved with any Debian developent in the past?
[15:32] <ogra_> marcin did awesome work to enable the arm community to do sane cross builds, he really deserves to be able to upload the bits he maintains
[15:32] <cody-somerville> hrw, What contribution to Ubuntu are you most proud of?
[15:32] <hrw> I maintained rox-filer outside of debian for a while and now (with few guys from emdebian team) I work on moving my corss toolchain to debian
[15:33] <hrw> cody-somerville: cross toolchain packages. they build for debian/ubuntu/linaro backport ppa from one set of debian/rules
[15:33] <hrw> oneiric version is ready for being merge - but I left that for after uds due to lack of time
[15:34] <cody-somerville> Any further questions?
[15:34] <Laney> not from me
[15:34] <stgraber> nope
[15:34] <maco> nope
[15:34] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Marcin Juszkiewicz
[15:34] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Marcin Juszkiewicz.
[15:34] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[15:34] <Laney> +1
[15:34] <MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:34] <stgraber> +1
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[15:34] <cody-somerville> +1
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[15:35] <maco> +1
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[15:35] <bdrung> +1
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[15:35] <_persia> +1
[15:35] <MootBot> +1 received from _persia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[15:35] <cody-somerville> [endvote]
[15:35] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[15:35] <cody-somerville> Congratulations hrw.
[15:35] <hrw> \o/
[15:35] <Laney> :)
[15:35] <rsalveti> \o/
[15:35] <hrw> thanks
[15:36] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader Application 'John Rigby' for packages u-boot-linaro and linux-linaro.
[15:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  PerPackageUploader Application 'John Rigby' for packages u-boot-linaro and linux-linaro.
[15:37] <Laney> there's no source package linux-linaro btw
[15:37] <hrw> Laney: was in maverick, then got split into few iirc
[15:38] <Laney> yeah there are a few linux-linaro-*
[15:38] <Laney> move on?
[15:38] <_persia> The ability to split the package is attributable to jrigby (thanks), but we do need a list.
[15:39] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Phillip Susi
[15:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Phillip Susi
[15:39] <hrw> ok, will catch him to update application
[15:39] <Laney> psusi: hi
[15:40] <cody-somerville> psusi, Please introduce yourself and your application. :)
[15:40] <RAOF_> How are you not already… something? :)
[15:40] <Laney> he was around recently
[15:40] <Laney> blast!
[15:40] <ogra_> RAOF_, to busy answering bumail ? :)
[15:41] <ogra_> *bugmail
[15:41] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Core Developer Application:  Barry Warsaw
[15:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Core Developer Application:  Barry Warsaw
[15:41] <barry> hi!
[15:41] <barry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[15:41] <psusi> hello
[15:41] <barry> i'm barry warsaw.  i work for ubuntu foundations.  have been an ubuntu user since 2007 and a linux/unix user for a bazillion years before that
[15:41] <Laney> make mailman stop spamming me every month!
[15:42] <psusi> woops, was rebooting for a moment
[15:42] <barry> Laney, you should see how much *i* get :)
[15:42] <barry> in natty cycle i worked heavily on python 2.7 transition
[15:43] <maco> psusi: we'll grab you next
[15:43] <psusi> roger
[15:43] <Laney> (http://paste.ubuntu.com/605246/ ;)
[15:43] <barry> and i'm working w/debian to get those changes and others upstream
[15:43]  * Laney stops trolling now
[15:44] <cody-somerville> barry, So, you've submitted a core-developer application before. Can you tell us a little bit about what you've done since then?
[15:44] <barry> i've done a couple of sru's since then
[15:45] <barry> and have more packages under my belt
[15:45] <Laney> I see you plan on working on pkgme/quickly — is this an indicator that you think Debian packaging is too difficult? What could we do better?
[15:46] <barry> for python packages, i'd like to see that anything with a setup.py is just one button push away from being packaged for debian/ubuntu
[15:46] <cody-somerville> barry, How would you characterize your understanding of Debian packaging compared to when you last applied?
[15:46] <barry> dh_python2 makes packages easier (and i've been working on that transition too)
[15:46] <barry> but i do think that many rules files are kind of magical :)
[15:47] <Laney> 'dh' is very magical
[15:47] <barry> cody-somerville, i think i have a better understanding of versioning, and how the relationship between ubuntu and debian works better
[15:47] <barry> Laney, it is, but kind of in a good way :)  i think make files are rather incomprehensible to many people (in my experience)
[15:48] <barry> i very often get questions about make/autotools/etc
[15:48]  * maco does not like pure makefiles. cmake or setup.py pretty please
[15:48] <cody-somerville> barry, In a nutshell, why should we approve you for core developer in contrast to when you last applied?
[15:49] <barry> cody-somerville, i think i've learned a lot since then, had many successfully sponsored patches, and have more good endorsements since last time
[15:50] <cody-somerville> barry, Can you give us a good example?
[15:50] <bdrung> barry: you are familiar with python packages. are you familiar with other type of packages?
[15:50] <barry> cody-somerville, good example of sponsored stuff or endorsements?
[15:50] <barry> bdrung, i have done a few other types of packages.  some vala stuff early in the last cycle
[15:51] <cody-somerville> barry, an example of your work
[15:51] <barry> i'm naturally heavy w/python stuff both because of my background and because the py27 transition was so important to natty cycle
[15:51] <barry> sru for a fuse problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse/+bug/697792
[15:52] <barry> (that wasn't python specific)
[15:53] <barry> i recently debugged a problem w/virtualenv and python 3 (which *should* work in debian, but doesn't) and submitted a fix in debian for that
[15:53] <barry> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625784
[15:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625784
[15:53] <cody-somerville> barry, Would you have felt comfortable pushing that change into the archive yourself?
[15:53] <barry> i like taking on difficult problems :)  that virtualenv one was particularly fun to figure out and fix
[15:53] <barry> cody-somerville, the virtualenv one? yes, i would
[15:54] <cody-somerville> barry, I was referring to the fix for the fuse issue.
[15:54] <barry> ah, yes.  i would.  i tested it quite thoroughly both before and after, with test packages in my ppa, etc.
[15:55] <barry> i was very confident that it fixed the bug, but still appreciated code review of it (which i'm a big proponent of)
[15:55] <Laney> did you watch the bugs afterward to make sure there were no regressions?
[15:55] <barry> that's one reason for example, that i really like udd to working on patches.  merge proposals are a great interface for doing code reviews
[15:55] <barry> Laney, i did
[15:56] <barry> note too, that there were srus for both maverick and lucid
[15:57] <cody-somerville> Any other questions?
[15:57] <stgraber> not from me
[15:58] <Laney> nein
[15:58] <bdrung> no
[15:58] <bdrung> nincs
[15:59] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Barry Warsaw
[15:59] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Barry Warsaw.
[15:59] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[15:59] <cody-somerville> +0
[15:59] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[15:59] <Laney> Mahou'hpu
[15:59] <stgraber> +1
[15:59] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:59] <maco> +1
[15:59] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:59] <_persia> +1 : Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate a bit more scope since your last application.
[15:59] <MootBot> +1 received from _persia. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[15:59] <bdrung> +1
[15:59] <MootBot> +1 received from bdrung. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:00] <Laney> +1
[16:00] <MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:00] <cody-somerville> [endvote]
[16:00] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[16:00] <stgraber> barry: congrats!
[16:00] <cody-somerville> barry, Thats quite the turn around. Congratulations.
[16:00] <Laney> wooooooo
[16:00] <barry> thanks very much!
[16:00] <bdrung> congrats
[16:00] <cody-somerville> Unfortunately thats all the time we have today.
[16:01] <cody-somerville> #endmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:01.
[16:01] <maco> psusi: sorry about getting skipped :-(
[16:01] <psusi> no problem... bad timing for a reboot ;)