[08:11] <kees> !~.
[11:18] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[11:20] <tumbleweed> wejaeger: this is a bad week to get any response, a fair bunch of us are busy at UDS
[11:25] <wejaeger> tumbleweed: ok, no problem, i'm going to try it next week
[11:29] <strycore> hello everyone
[11:31] <strycore> I have a lintian related question about diff-contains-bzr-control-dir (  http://lintian.debian.org/tags/diff-contains-bzr-control-dir.html ). It says that I to pass the -i argument to dpkg-buildpackage. Now I suppose that I have to add this dpkg-buildpackage somewhere in my debian/rules file, right ?
[11:32] <tumbleweed> strycore: build with bzr-builddeb (bzr bd), rather than running debuild in your bzr checkout
[11:47] <strycore> ok, thx tumbleweed
[14:23] <psusi> DMB is in an hour right?
[14:27] <Laney> psusi: yes, but I apologise if we can't get to you — I think we ought to process those at UDS in person first
[14:27] <Laney> (unless you are here ...)
[14:29] <psusi> nope, I'm not there ;(
[14:29] <Laney> we'll do our best :-)
[15:16] <Laney> geser: are you going to attend the DMB meeting?
[15:21] <geser> Laney: no, as I leave work in around 10 minutes and will be at home at 5pm
[15:21] <Laney> ok
[16:25] <aboudreault> Does anyone aware of a PPA that contains debhelper 8 for hardy?
[16:55] <stlsaint> paultag: HEYO
[16:55] <stlsaint> opps
[16:55] <paultag> heh
[19:02] <aboudreault> Do I need debhelper 8 to use source format 3 ?
[19:02] <paultag> nope
[19:03] <paultag> 7 handles it great
[19:03] <aboudreault> ok
[19:15] <jtaylor> when a bug is fixed by a simple rebuild do I need to make a debdiff for the sponsor? I guess he can do it himself just as fast as checking and applying the diff would take
[19:22] <geser> jtaylor: I'd say it depends on your sponsor, but it's usual if you request sponsorship through the sponsorship queue
[19:22] <geser> jtaylor: what do you need rebuild?
[19:22] <jtaylor> python-fltk
[19:22] <jtaylor> natty
[19:23] <geser> that would be a SRU as natty is released
[19:23] <jtaylor> yes
[19:25] <geser> jtaylor: I guess it's about bug 779340? do you have a fix for oneiric?
[19:25] <jtaylor> no but I forwared it to the debian maintainer
[19:26] <jtaylor> so if he reacts it will probably get it automatically
[19:26] <jtaylor> and for a SRU a rebuild is probably preferable to a patch
[19:27] <geser> I guess it too
[19:28] <geser> but it's a requirement for a SRU that it's first fixed in oneiric (so we don't get a regression because it got forgotten to fix it in the next Ubuntu release)
[19:29] <jtaylor> In this case one can ignore this rule, it can't regress more than not working at all
[19:30] <jtaylor> it also has no rdeps
[19:30] <geser> but if we fix it in natty it works there again but stops working again when upgrading to oneiric (assumed that it gets forgotten to get fixed there too)
[19:30] <jtaylor> hm ok I see the point
[19:31] <jtaylor> I'll wait for debian maintainer reaction then
[19:32] <Laney> well actually, the version in -proposed will be copied to oneiric by the sru publishing script
[19:32] <Laney> as they currently have the same version in n and o
[19:33] <geser> do the AA still do it that way and not only during the early days of a new release? (I don't do SRUs that often)
[19:33] <Laney> I think it's done in general
[19:34] <Laney> should confirm with one of them though
[19:36] <geser> Laney: in this case it also depends on the solution to fix the bug: a rebuild won't work in oneiric, only when we apply a patch it could get copied to oneiric
[19:39] <geser> jtaylor: you could also try to contact DktrKranz or porthose (both did the recent uploads of python-fltk) to let them know that a fix might be needed to move on with the SRU
[19:59] <jtaylor> sry had to leave for a while, thanks for the advice
[19:59] <aboudreault> debhelper 7 ---> dpkg-source: error: Unsupported format of .dsc file (3.0 (quilt))
[20:00] <aboudreault> 3.0 quilt is not supported with version 7 ?
[20:00] <jtaylor> yes it is
[20:00] <jtaylor> whats in debian/source/format?
[20:00] <aboudreault> jtaylor, "3.0 (quilt)"
[20:01] <geser> aboudreault: you need a dpkg that supports v3 source packages, IIRC there exists a backport for hardy somewhere
[20:01] <aboudreault> ha
[20:05]  * aboudreault is looking for that backport...
[20:13] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/obsolete?field.series_filter=hardy may have the dpkg you want, if you are running hardy, though it has a number of other packages for hardy
[20:14] <aboudreault> ajmitch, sounds good ... thanks!
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: poke
[20:59] <nigelb> stlsaint: pong
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: Hi
[20:59] <nigelb> hello
[20:59] <stlsaint> nigelb: lol, just saying whats up, havent spoke to ya in some months
[21:00] <nigelb> stlsaint: yeah, I'm at UDS, loads of fun today :)
[21:07] <stlsaint> nigelb: im jealous
[21:08] <nigelb> stlsaint: heh
[21:19] <ajmitch> nigelb: anything interesting at uds today?
[21:20] <nigelb> ajmitch: well, I was a very good session about having a portal where you can see everything that's on the software center
[21:23]  * ajmitch was hoping to see some of the notes on etherpad, but something seems to have died there :)
[21:25] <Laney> the trolls got us
[21:25] <ajmitch> uh oh
[21:25] <ajmitch> not requiring a lp or other openid login for etherpad?
[21:26] <nigelb> we're landing a fix that'll make the etherpad url sort of changeable
[21:26] <nigelb> and we can link to a particular rev of etherpad
[21:26] <ajmitch> so ther etherpad server was taken down overnight?
[21:27] <lifeless> nigelb: synaptic-for-the-web?
[21:27] <nigelb> will be back up soon :)
[21:27] <nigelb> lifeless: its more like a catalogue
[21:27] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-webcatalog/+spec/desktop-o-software-center-web
[21:28] <ajmitch> more like steam's website?
[21:28] <nigelb> does it let you click there and install to your computer?
[21:28] <nigelb> (I think these are going to be apturls)
[21:28] <ajmitch> I believe so, I haven't installed anything except through the steam app (on wine) for awhile
[21:29] <nigelb> ah
[21:29] <ajmitch> I think it works in the same way, by a steam:// url
[21:30] <nigelb> ajmitch: so, then that's how it'll look
[21:30] <nigelb> and probably designed to be visually similar to software center per se
[21:32] <ajmitch> so once that part is done, you just need to decide whether the whole archive is made available & then some?
[21:33]  * ajmitch thanks whoever has put up the keynote talk on youtube
[21:33] <nigelb> ajmitch: yeah
[21:33] <nigelb> I wish etherpad was up to show you the notes
[21:35]  * ajmitch might read them this evening, when the tuesday sessions are starting 
[21:35] <nigelb> :)