[10:21] <popey> who is able to set topics in the #ubuntu-uds-* channels?
[10:21] <popey> I tried and am unable
[10:23] <Flannel> popey: Ubuntu members, IRC Council, and udsbotu (assuming they're all the same)
[10:23] <popey> I am a member and chanserv said I cant
[10:24] <Flannel> Was it more than 13 minutes ago?
[10:25] <popey> it was 4 minutes ago
[10:25] <Flannel> hmm, alright.  No idea.
[10:26]  * popey shrugs
[10:26] <popey> hey ho
[10:46] <tsimpson> popey: the bot will overwrite any topic changes anyway
[10:46] <popey> this was before the bot was about
[10:47] <tsimpson> it took me longer than I thought to get the bot running
[11:07] <gord> fyi: jussi is wearing crocks. just fyi
[11:07] <hypatia> haha
[11:16] <elky> gord, he's married now, he doesn't have to care what he looks like
[11:17] <elky> also, pass on a mocking laugh from me.
[11:17] <elky> nelson style, if you can manage it
[11:17] <jussi> excuse me?
[11:17] <jussi> <3 crocs
[11:17] <elky> crocs, ha ha!
[11:19] <jussi> meh
[11:41] <IdleOne> hahaha
[11:55] <LAcan> !help
[11:55] <LAcan> !banned
[11:55] <LAcan> !Etiquette
[11:55] <IdleOne> LAcan: Your attitude and language in #ubuntu is unacceptable.
[11:55] <LAcan> what language bro?
[11:55] <LAcan> stfu?
[11:55] <IdleOne> correct
[11:55] <LAcan> theres no cursing
[11:55] <LAcan> stfu is an acronym... u do the cursing in your mind if u want to
[11:55] <IdleOne> acronyms and obfuscation are the same as typing the wrod out.
[11:55] <LAcan> hwoever, i can refrain from using stfu in the future
[11:56] <LAcan> ya, all of linguistics disagrees with you, but w/e
[11:56] <IdleOne> LAcan: 48 hours is how long it is going to take before anyone on the ops team is going to consider removing the ban.
[11:56] <LAcan> bummer
[11:57] <LAcan> oh, and thanks for not pwoertripping
[11:57] <LAcan> its kind of u
[11:57] <LAcan> given the countless number of newbs i help with their goddamn nvidia wont work problems
[11:57] <LAcan> very courteous
[11:58] <IdleOne> LAcan: ^^ that is not power tripping? you think because you help a few people it gives you the right to bend the rules?
[11:58] <LAcan> dude, i used "stfu" once
[11:58] <LAcan> ONCE
[11:58] <hypatia> and you were asked not to
[11:59] <LAcan> and so i didnt use it again
[11:59] <IdleOne> culmination of poor attitude and lack of respect for the rules and other users in the channel over the last few weeks. the STFU earlier was the straw that broke the back...
[11:59] <LAcan> uh uh
[12:00] <LAcan> it was me telling u "w/e" that broke you
[12:00] <IdleOne> So, please part this channel and return in 48 hours if you are serious about helping the Ubuntu community.
[12:00] <LAcan> admit it idel, thats why u banned me
[12:00] <LAcan> w/e
[12:00] <IdleOne> no the STFU set off my highlights. till then I was sipping my coffee checking emails
[12:01] <IdleOne> That is all I have to say.
[12:01] <LAcan> ya nd u kicked me for it, and i didnt violate any other rules
[12:03] <elky> LAcan, please leave and return in 48hrs
[12:03] <jrib> LAcan: I think at this point the best thing to do is take a break from #ubuntu for the time IdleOne thinks is reasonable, read the !guidelines, make sure you agree to follow them in the future, and then return
[12:04]  * LAcan sets mode #ubuntu-ops +b *!*@*
[12:04] <elky> Oops. He banned himself.
[12:08] <jpds> Impressive.
[13:24] <LjL> fyi, i'm applying as #u and -ot op
[13:25] <bazhang> great news
[13:25] <IdleOne> I saw and I +1 for both
[13:25] <IdleOne> if my opinion matters
[14:25] <jussi> IdleOne: nah, no one listens to you :P
[14:25] <IdleOne> just like in real life.
[14:26] <IdleOne> I heard you are wearing crocs at UDS?
[14:26] <Pici> Hah
[14:26] <IdleOne> I submit that as reason for immediate removal from IRCC
[14:26] <IdleOne> :P
[14:27] <jussi> what is wrong with crocs?
[14:27] <IdleOne> nothing!
[14:27] <IdleOne> they are comfy from I have been told
[14:28] <IdleOne> what*
[14:28] <jussi> crocs increase my efficiency
[14:28] <IdleOne> my daughter finds them very easy to put on also. She is 6
[14:28]  * IdleOne is a mean cuss sometimes :-)
[14:29] <Pici> Wasn't jcastro was wearing those five finger shoes at the last UDS?
[14:29] <IdleOne> five finger shoes?
[14:30] <IdleOne> I gotta google this
[14:30] <knome> my sister etc uses those for running
[14:30] <IdleOne> haha those are sexy!
[14:30] <IdleOne> I want a pair with painted toe nails
[14:30] <knome> IdleOne, that's WRONG
[14:31] <jussi> nah, I think that was cris crisafulli
[14:31] <Pici> jussi: I thought they both had them.
[14:31]  * Pici shrugs
[14:31] <jussi> maybe
[14:31] <IdleOne> knome: might as well go for it all the way
[14:33] <IdleOne> My old boss almost got fined by the health inspector at the restaurant because he was wearing crocs heh
[14:33] <Pici> I asked my brother if he was allowed to wear his to surgery, I forget what he said though.
[14:33] <IdleOne> I don't think they can
[14:34] <Pici> Well, hes going to be a vet, things a little more relaxed compared with human medicie.
[14:34] <Pici> *medicine.
[14:34] <IdleOne> ah.
[14:34] <jussi> in finland, they are the usualt footware in hospitals.
[14:35] <IdleOne> are they crocs or berkenstocks (sic)
[14:35] <IdleOne> ?
[14:35] <jussi> but can we move on? I really am not too entralled with the fact that Im being mocked for wearing comfy shoes.
[14:35] <IdleOne> I know those are very comfortable and many doctors and nurses wear them
[14:36] <IdleOne> I apologize jussi. I honestly believe you can wear anything you are comfortable with.
[14:37] <jussi> IdleOne: no probs
[14:42]  * popey points at jussi's feet and laughs
[14:43] <highvoltage> crocs should really be illegal
[14:43] <popey> either that or electrified
[14:43] <IdleOne> So, anyway.
[14:43] <highvoltage> ostracized
[14:43] <popey> ocelotizied
[14:43] <IdleOne> this channel really is not the place and we were asked to move on...
[14:45] <knome> now look what you did
[14:45] <popey> :)
[15:41] <ikonia> hello aauthor
[15:42] <aauthor> ikonia: Hello, actually, I was just checking this channel out.  If I'm not supposed to idle here, I'll leave.
[15:42] <ikonia> that would be great (check the /topic for more info)
[15:43] <aauthor> ikonia: OK, thanks.
[16:01] <Pici> Great. Lars now has the honor of being assigned our 40000th bantracker id.
[16:01] <IdleOne> he has the last 6000 bans
[16:02] <IdleOne> I was thinking maybe banning *dip.t-dialin.net but we have several users from there
[16:02] <IdleOne> many who are not disruptive
[16:03] <Pici> "Do any channel operators/staff have any experience with filing ISP abuse reports for problem users?  We have a user that refuses to follow our rules, but their ISP hands out dynamic addresses and the user is smart enough to change up their nick and ident."  <- I just asked that i #freenode
[16:06] <Pici> argh
[16:06] <Pici> hes back again
[16:07] <dermarker_> hi
[16:08] <IdleOne> dermarker_: hello thank you for joining
[16:08] <dermarker_> hello
[16:08] <IdleOne> I wanted to speak to you a little about the situation we have going here where you keep joining #ubuntu and asking the same thing over and over
[16:08] <IdleOne> we continue to ban you and you continue to bypass the bans
[16:08] <dermarker_> hehee
[16:08] <dermarker_> but i have to say i am not Lars
[16:08] <IdleOne> can we speak seriously about this?
[16:09] <dermarker_> he is only my neighbour
[16:09] <dermarker_> okay
[16:09] <IdleOne> okay if you say you are not Lars I believe you.
[16:09] <dermarker_> Lars is the only one who is really serious. But he is angry with us
[16:09] <IdleOne> but Why do we have to continue to be abused by you and lars with this same issue?
[16:10] <dermarker_> he said, because me and his other neighbours he is banned here
[16:10] <IdleOne> it isn't funny, it is disruptive, it stops us from helping people who really need help because we are continuously having to deal with you
[16:10] <dermarker_> okay i have a deal
[16:10] <dermarker_> HE can come back, we not, and he DONt ask again
[16:10] <IdleOne> dermarker_: I will make a deal with you
[16:11] <IdleOne> Stop abusing our channels or we will be forced to report this abuse to your ISP.
[16:11] <dermarker_> okay but can HE come back
[16:11] <dermarker_> because he didnt do anythinG
[16:11] <dermarker_> we will stay away
[16:11] <IdleOne> We will allow him back in the channels if he respects our rules
[16:12] <dermarker_> okay i will tell him, thank you good byee
[16:12] <IdleOne> if he does not we will ban him.
[16:13] <IdleOne> Will see how this goes.
[16:13] <IdleOne> Pici: I think you should still see about the reporting to the ISP thing
[16:14] <Pici> IdleOne: I will.
[16:14] <IdleOne> So lets give him a chance to conform to the rules. I think 1 warning should suffice and if he repeats we ban the entire host I guess?
[16:18] <Pici> IdleOne: News to me, Deutsche Telekom AG owns T-Mobile, which is one of the mobile ISPs that is forced to use SASL to connect to freenode.  It would be a bit much for freenode to require SASL just because we have one problem user, but I think I'll pursue that as well.
[16:18] <Pici> (Deutsche Telekom AG) is lars's ISP
[16:19] <IdleOne> well if we go by what dermaker said it more than one user
[16:19] <IdleOne> but yeah I hear you
[16:27] <CarlFK> I wonder if this would work:  ban the whole host for a few minutes, kick the abuser.  others that try to join during that window will be unexpectedly blocked.
[16:28] <CarlFK> my hunch is it will disrupt the abuse's behavior about 100x as much as the random joiner
[16:30] <IdleOne> open to suggestions, I am just tired of having to remove/ban and I know Pici has had his fill also.
[16:30] <CarlFK> no clue if that 100x will be enough.  I can see some being provoked to spend hours being annoying, even if only for 1 min out of every 10.
[16:31] <IdleOne> it has been 3 weeks at least now.
[16:31] <Pici> At least
[16:32] <IdleOne> so, clearly our current method is not going to stop him.
[16:34] <CarlFK> set up #ubontu that is a channel full of elisa users, re-direct him to that, maybe he won't notice ;)
[16:34] <IdleOne> hahaha
[16:36] <CarlFK> I wonder if freenode would allow a few eliza bots to PM someone
[16:36] <CarlFK> keep them distracted, maybe they won
[16:36] <CarlFK> t bother the public
[16:36] <CarlFK> pretty sure this is not a good idea
[16:38] <IdleOne> we need to fix the problem not create more :)
[16:42] <CarlFK> the "my neighbor/coworker/etc got my ip banned" story... think it is ever true?
[16:45] <CarlFK> I know it can be, but I am skeptical that all of the things line up: both ubuntu users, use irc, /j #ubuntu in the same time frame, same isp, similar tech level - and not understanding that we don't believe it.
[16:55] <ikonia> Pici: I can help you with ISP abuse reports, done some a few times
[16:56] <Pici> ikonia: Any results?
[17:11] <ikonia> Pici: not started yet, there are two ways of going about this, I'll build a little report tonight from BT and try the easy route
[17:12] <ikonia> Pici: yes, I've had results, few people lost their ISP contract, I've got a report ready for Jungli's Indian ISP and I've lodged a complaint against his current shell proivder
[17:31] <oCean> hi there
[17:31] <oCean> anyone care to explain kamcio2603_ in #u why he should use -ot? And that he really has to start behaving?
[17:32] <oCean> thx
[17:36] <LarsTorben> hi pici
[17:37] <IdleOne> hello LarsTorben
[17:37] <LarsTorben> my neighbour told am unbanned
[17:37] <LarsTorben> thank you very much
[17:37] <LarsTorben> i will behave noww
[17:37] <IdleOne> hold a moment
[17:37] <IdleOne> We will let you join #ubuntu but please follow the !guidelines and !codeofconduct
[17:37] <LarsTorben> ok thanks
[17:37] <LarsTorben> !guidelines
[17:38] <IdleOne> like I said earlier if the abusive behaviour continues we will be forced to report it to your ISP
[17:38] <LarsTorben> ok
[17:38] <IdleOne> thank you.
[17:38] <LarsTorben> i will read them now
[17:38] <LarsTorben> and come back if i readyy
[17:38] <IdleOne> LarsTorben: that is fine. I appreciate you coming here to speak with us.
[17:39] <LarsTorben> thanks cu
[17:39] <IdleOne> oCean: what's up?
[17:39] <oCean> oh right, <kamcio2603 now starts trolling in -ot
[17:40] <IdleOne> ok. thanks
[17:42] <Pici> IdleOne: Let me know if you need a hand
[17:42] <IdleOne> he seems to be digging his own grave
[17:42] <Pici> Indeed.
[17:48] <LrsTorben> hello
[17:49] <IdleOne> hello
[17:49] <LrsTorben> read everything ;D
[17:50] <IdleOne> any questions?
[17:50] <IdleOne> concerning the guidelines or the code of conduct?
[17:50] <LrsTorben> no it was very easily to understand, althought i have got a very bad english ;D:
[17:50] <LrsTorben>  
[17:51] <jpds> Wirklich.
[17:51] <LrsTorben> thank you
[17:51] <IdleOne> That is fine, we have many users from all over the world. What is important is that we can all cooperate with mutual respect of each other and the rules.
[17:52] <jpds> Not sure if I said something wrong.
[17:53] <IdleOne> Wirklich == really
[17:53] <IdleOne> maybe he took it bad?
[17:58] <jpds> Maybe.
[17:58] <IdleOne> I think it's just his way to leave mid convo heh
[18:15] <LarsTorben> hello idleone
[18:15] <LarsTorben> i cant write anythin in #ubuntu
[18:15] <LarsTorben> sincee changing my nick to LarsTorben
[18:23] <ikonia> Larstorbe: I'll have a look now
[18:23] <Larstorbe> ok thankss
[18:24] <ikonia> Larstorbe: could you swap back to LarsTorben please and try to talk
[18:24] <LarsTorben> [19:24] <LarsTorben> test [19:24] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[18:24] <ikonia> ok, checking
[18:26] <LarsTorben> IdleOne: 19:25] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[18:26] <LarsTorben> workjs
[18:26] <ikonia> tensorpudding: hello
[18:26] <LarsTorben> thanks
[18:26] <ikonia> nice one IdleOne
[18:26] <tensorpudding> can i get unbanned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:26] <ikonia> I couldn't see it
[18:26] <ikonia> tensorpudding: give me a minute to have a look
[18:27] <ikonia> is your connection stable now ?
[18:27] <ikonia> (you where removed due to a flapping connection)
[18:27] <tensorpudding> it'd seem so
[18:28] <ikonia> tensorpudding: ok, bans from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic removed
[18:28] <tensorpudding> i've been connected since then and it hasn't acted up
[18:28] <IdleOne> ikonia: there are so many bans on him it is hard to find them all
[19:01] <Pici> ikonia: thanks
[21:26] <niko> you should look at Murdox