| snap-l | brousch: Yes, yes I am 85 years old | 01:08 |
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| snap-l | Reminder: There's a monthly IRC meeting at 9pm | 01:23 |
| Thirtysixway | here? | 01:27 |
| rick_h__ | party | 01:28 |
| snap-l | here, yes. | 01:51 |
| rick_h__ | irc meeting > work meeting? | 01:52 |
| snap-l | ? | 01:56 |
| rick_h__ | sorry, thinking of you always talking about XXX meeting at work | 01:56 |
| rick_h__ | trying to think of the name, web something? | 01:56 |
| snap-l | Webex | 02:00 |
| rick_h__ | yea, that's it | 02:01 |
| rick_h__ | anyway, irc linux mtg > webex work meeting to start the week off | 02:01 |
| snap-l | Oh most definitely | 02:01 |
| snap-l | I wish all of my meetigs were on IRC | 02:01 |
| rick_h__ | it's time! | 02:01 |
| snap-l | Well, most of them | 02:01 |
| rick_h__ | so anyone know if greg-g made it back yet? | 02:01 |
| snap-l | Yep, let's call it to order | 02:01 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Are you online? | 02:01 |
| snap-l | OK, I think he's still making way back to the great catcher's mitt | 02:02 |
| rick_h__ | crap | 02:03 |
| rick_h__ | anyone have the link to the agenda then? | 02:03 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/60/detail/ | 02:03 |
| snap-l | That's the link to the agenda | 02:04 |
| snap-l | Anyone have anything to add? | 02:04 |
| rick_h__ | was going to bring up mug this tues | 02:04 |
| rick_h__ | if anyone wants to submit a lightning talk on something loco-ish would be cool | 02:04 |
| rick_h__ | some natty love, or maybe something else | 02:04 |
| snap-l | Yeah, the more the merrier | 02:04 |
| snap-l | I'll be talking about Gogle Voice | 02:05 |
| rick_h__ | so first, anyone else here in this meeting betsides me and snap-l ? | 02:05 |
| snap-l | Don't be shy. :) | 02:05 |
| _stink_ | here | 02:05 |
| snap-l | Great, three people... let's start a magazine. ;) | 02:06 |
| rick_h__ | I get the back page | 02:06 |
| snap-l | gah... | 02:06 |
| snap-l | I was going to call back page. | 02:06 |
| snap-l | Someone listened to TWiT recently. | 02:06 |
| rick_h__ | ok, so MUG meeting tues, you coming _stink_ ? | 02:06 |
| _stink_ | rick_h__: very unlikely. :/ Tuesdays are more or less impossible | 02:06 |
| rick_h__ | gah, ok well then | 02:07 |
| snap-l | _stink_: So, yes, then? | 02:07 |
| rick_h__ | hah | 02:07 |
| _stink_ | hah. you sound like a former boss of mine. | 02:07 |
| rick_h__ | ok, so our group is giving two lightning talks so far | 02:07 |
| rick_h__ | sounds like some good rep of the loco, not ubuntu topics, but still cool | 02:07 |
| rick_h__ | next up, penguicon...so anything interesting happen? | 02:08 |
| snap-l | Well, regardless, if anyone is going, and wants to talk, by all means let the folks at MUG know | 02:08 |
| snap-l | Penguicon, as always was awesome | 02:08 |
| snap-l | not as much tech as I would have liked, but good stuff | 02:08 |
| snap-l | jcastro spread the love on Unity and Natty | 02:08 |
| snap-l | Got me considering running the damn thing. :) | 02:09 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 02:09 |
| rick_h__ | sucker! | 02:09 |
| snap-l | Release party was awesome. If anyone has any photos on flickr, please add them to the group | 02:09 |
| _stink_ | ... does it work now? | 02:09 |
| _stink_ | unity | 02:09 |
| rick_h__ | just don't touch it | 02:09 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Works as well as the beta | 02:09 |
| snap-l | so if you were working prior to the beta, then you'll still be working | 02:10 |
| snap-l | but if you were hosed, you're likely still hosed. | 02:10 |
| snap-l | But I have to say it's pretty sweet overall | 02:10 |
| rick_h__ | so I wanted to see what people thought about the release party like that | 02:10 |
| rick_h__ | I'm wondering if we need to find a better room/way going forward? | 02:11 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: if we're doing it at Penguicon, it would be nice to have a room party | 02:11 |
| snap-l | That way we would be on the schedule | 02:11 |
| rick_h__ | ok, what's the time frame for that to put together? | 02:11 |
| rick_h__ | should we put some notes on a calendar now for "schedule room" or something? | 02:12 |
| greg-g | heya, home now | 02:12 |
| rick_h__ | yay, greg-g can take over now | 02:13 |
| greg-g | yeah, so, the date for the LoCo sponsored MUG meeting is... June right? or was it may :/ | 02:13 |
| rick_h__ | it's june | 02:13 |
| greg-g | ok, good | 02:13 |
| rick_h__ | mug meeting is this tues for lightning talks | 02:13 |
| greg-g | right | 02:13 |
| rick_h__ | and they'd love some more talks so if anyone is coming and wants to spend 5-10min on something cool, encourage you all to submit | 02:13 |
| * greg-g nods | 02:13 | |
| greg-g | send an email to the ubuntu-us-mi list? | 02:13 |
| greg-g | I can, if you want | 02:14 |
| rick_h__ | I didn't, I figured that's mug board people :P | 02:14 |
| * greg-g looks at snap-l | 02:14 | |
| snap-l | What did I not do now? :) | 02:15 |
| rick_h__ | do you think we should send to the mi list for mug this week? | 02:15 |
| rick_h__ | or too late don't bother? | 02:15 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'll send something | 02:15 |
| greg-g | coolio | 02:15 |
| snap-l | I'll send that out tomorrow | 02:16 |
| greg-g | snap-l / rick_h__ : other than the need for an actual room next year, anything else from the release party? | 02:16 |
| snap-l | We had a LOT of people there | 02:17 |
| snap-l | some who were part of the loco, and some new faces | 02:17 |
| greg-g | awesome | 02:17 |
| snap-l | Plus some folks just hanging out | 02:17 |
| rick_h__ | yea, we should start pimping the Loco MUG meeting | 02:17 |
| rick_h__ | try to get a lot of the new faces there | 02:17 |
| greg-g | so, I'm wondering if I should make up a basic template for a "sign-in" kind of sheet, or at least, "add me to the mailing list" | 02:17 |
| * greg-g nods | 02:17 | |
| snap-l | https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144130086252498 | 02:18 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: what about the other way, like business cards to hand out? | 02:18 |
| rick_h__ | with the site, list, irc info, etc | 02:18 |
| greg-g | not a bad idea | 02:18 |
| rick_h__ | I guess I just don't don't want to be the one collecting info | 02:18 |
| rick_h__ | but don't mind handing stuff out | 02:18 |
| greg-g | yeah, hear ya | 02:18 |
| greg-g | so, ok, I'll put that on my list for this week, creating a basic business card | 02:19 |
| rick_h__ | cool, I know some other locos have done some things | 02:19 |
| rick_h__ | maybe we can crib off them | 02:19 |
| greg-g | oh yeah, I'll take a look around | 02:19 |
| rick_h__ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-in/2010-October/000914.html for instance | 02:20 |
| rick_h__ | but yea, I think that would be cool before the next release party | 02:20 |
| rick_h__ | and willing to help sponsor that | 02:21 |
| greg-g | oh right, forgot about that | 02:21 |
| * greg-g nods | 02:21 | |
| greg-g | duly noted | 02:21 |
| snap-l | That would be cool | 02:21 |
| greg-g | awesome.. so, are we good on speakers for our meeting? | 02:21 |
| snap-l | I think the only one confirmed is rick_h__ | 02:21 |
| rick_h__ | I've not heard, do we have a wiki page up with submissions? | 02:21 |
| greg-g | all I have in my tomboy note is you, rick_h__ | 02:21 |
| rick_h__ | and have we written the check to MUG? | 02:21 |
| greg-g | we haven't, but i have the money | 02:22 |
| greg-g | so I can whenever | 02:22 |
| rick_h__ | it's all confirmed/what not | 02:22 |
| rick_h__ | ah ok | 02:22 |
| rick_h__ | ok, well some ideas: some ubuntu one talk would be awesome I think | 02:22 |
| greg-g | alright, so, after the MUG meeting this week, on Wed, I'll send a note to the list asking for participation | 02:22 |
| rick_h__ | cool | 02:23 |
| greg-g | good idea | 02:23 |
| rick_h__ | let me know before you send it out | 02:23 |
| greg-g | yeah, def | 02:23 |
| rick_h__ | we can try to generate a list of interesting bits | 02:23 |
| rick_h__ | and try to recruit people for talks vs just "anyone want to do anything" | 02:23 |
| greg-g | right right, much better | 02:23 |
| snap-l | I'm creating an event on the calendar now | 02:23 |
| greg-g | awesome | 02:23 |
| greg-g | thanks buddy | 02:23 |
| * greg-g has been using "buddy" too much recently | 02:24 | |
| rick_h__ | greg-g is just friendly like that | 02:24 |
| greg-g | :) | 02:25 |
| greg-g | my friendliness got me through security today without ID :) | 02:25 |
| rick_h__ | happened ot my wife a while ago | 02:25 |
| rick_h__ | got her purse stolen in DC | 02:25 |
| rick_h__ | ugh | 02:25 |
| greg-g | ugh | 02:25 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 02:25 |
| rick_h__ | glad you made it safe | 02:25 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/974/detail/ | 02:26 |
| snap-l | Yeah, greg-g, that sucks (no ID) | 02:26 |
| brousch | loco meeting in eefect? | 02:26 |
| greg-g | brousch: indeed | 02:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, boyeeeee | 02:26 |
| greg-g | just in time for the near ending ;) | 02:26 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: how was the west side release party? | 02:26 |
| rick_h__ | any notes to think about going forward? | 02:27 |
| brousch | it was pretty good | 02:27 |
| brousch | it was held at the usual wmlug meeting, and had about double normal wmlug attendence | 02:27 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: I think we need to get some more folks to commit to the meeting | 02:27 |
| snap-l | the mug meeting, I mean | 02:27 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: yea, definitely | 02:27 |
| brousch | it's bigger if held with grlug | 02:27 |
| rick_h__ | I mean, we don't need 10min lightning talks | 02:27 |
| snap-l | We'll have one more meeting prior | 02:27 |
| rick_h__ | but 4 or so would be good | 02:28 |
| greg-g | brousch: awesome | 02:28 |
| snap-l | but would be good to get some more folks to commit | 02:28 |
| snap-l | I'll commit as a last resort to showing off Unity | 02:28 |
| rick_h__ | well will ping smoser and jcastro | 02:28 |
| snap-l | kk | 02:28 |
| rick_h__ | I think it'd be cool to see jcastro show off some ubuntu one/banshee goodness | 02:28 |
| greg-g | brousch: oh yeah, nice blog post on unity, btw | 02:29 |
| rick_h__ | and smoser maybe something interesting cloud-side for things going on | 02:29 |
| snap-l | Assuminghe's in town. ;) | 02:29 |
| rick_h__ | yea, well they're gone this week I know | 02:29 |
| rick_h__ | so next couple of weeks, but should be back in June | 02:29 |
| * greg-g nods | 02:29 | |
| rick_h__ | /in/by/ | 02:29 |
| snap-l | OK, so who wants to bang the drum for participants? | 02:30 |
| greg-g | for LoCoMUG? I can | 02:31 |
| rick_h__ | so after the meeting this week greg-g and I will work on an email | 02:31 |
| snap-l | OK, cool | 02:31 |
| rick_h__ | but we'll wait until Tues clears | 02:31 |
| greg-g | with rick_h__ , of course | 02:31 |
| greg-g | yeah | 02:31 |
| greg-g | but you'll do this week, right snap-l ? | 02:31 |
| greg-g | (ie: hey! give lightning talks!) | 02:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'll mail out for this week's MUG meeting | 02:32 |
| greg-g | word | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Any more to talk about re: MUG foo? | 02:33 |
| rick_h__ | well just need to cooridnate the dollars there | 02:33 |
| greg-g | snap-l: question for you/board: just bring the check the day of? | 02:33 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that sould be fine | 02:33 |
| greg-g | ok, cool | 02:33 |
| snap-l | There's no worries about getting paid. | 02:33 |
| rick_h__ | anything else they need from us? | 02:33 |
| greg-g | you know how to get me :) | 02:33 |
| snap-l | we know greg-g is good for it | 02:33 |
| rick_h__ | I'm sure they want some committed stuff to pub before hand | 02:34 |
| snap-l | and we'll lay the smack down if not. ;) | 02:34 |
| snap-l | Most definitely | 02:34 |
| snap-l | The sooner the better. :) | 02:34 |
| greg-g | I'd like to write up a little one pager with the list of names from the people who donated to give with the check, just for ceremonial sake :) | 02:34 |
| snap-l | esp before 5/31 | 02:34 |
| brousch | get one of those giant checks | 02:35 |
| greg-g | brousch: yeah, definitely! | 02:35 |
| greg-g | oh ed mcmahon | 02:36 |
| rick_h__ | has widox done anything lately? maybe we'll rope him in during a CHC meeting | 02:36 |
| greg-g | doit! | 02:36 |
| rick_h__ | love irc'ing when people are afk | 02:36 |
| greg-g | need to get him up here | 02:36 |
| rick_h__ | we're coming widox, watch out... | 02:36 |
| greg-g | s/here/there/ | 02:36 |
| snap-l | heh | 02:37 |
| snap-l | Anything else, or should we put a bow on it, and call it a day? | 02:37 |
| greg-g | a day | 02:38 |
| snap-l | Also, Michael Arrington is an ass | 02:38 |
| rick_h__ | lol, what did he do now? | 02:38 |
| snap-l | http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/07/tech-press-screw-them-all/ | 02:38 |
| snap-l | Also, Facebook comments are bullshit | 02:39 |
| rick_h__ | hah | 02:40 |
| snap-l | OK, I think we're done then. ;) | 02:40 |
| snap-l | Thanks everyone! | 02:40 |
| greg-g | thank you for getting it started without me! | 02:40 |
| jjesse | we have a meeting? | 02:40 |
| snap-l | Hope to see each and every one of you special snowflakes at MUG on Tuesday | 02:40 |
| rick_h__ | bookie demo woot | 02:41 |
| snap-l | Looking forward to taht. | 02:42 |
| brousch | ucast it | 02:46 |
| brousch | ustream | 02:46 |
| jordon_ | Does anyone have a good irc client suggestion? | 03:03 |
| snap-l | irssi | 03:03 |
| snap-l | xchat | 03:04 |
| brousch | pidgin | 03:04 |
| jordon_ | thanks | 03:06 |
| jordon_ | I'm not a fan of konversation | 03:06 |
| brousch | running kde? | 03:07 |
| jjesse | quassel is the default | 03:11 |
| * widox hides under desk | 03:41 | |
| widox | rick_h__: --^ | 03:42 |
| brousch | rick_h__: did you see this article? http://sontek.net/turning-vim-into-a-modern-python-ide | 13:17 |
| brousch | very thorough | 13:18 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yea, saw it and have it open | 13:20 |
| rick_h__ | haven't had a chance ot read it yet, home with sick boy | 13:20 |
| brousch | ug, good luck | 13:20 |
| rick_h__ | heh, no problem, just another round of pink eye | 13:27 |
| brousch | luckily we haven't encountered that one | 13:27 |
| brousch | cross-platform mobile dev is full of fail | 13:28 |
| brousch | i'm afraid i will have to re-learn java if i want to work on my android apps | 13:29 |
| rick_h__ | it's not that bad | 13:33 |
| rick_h__ | very contageous, but we get it regularly it seems | 13:33 |
| rick_h__ | as for mobile, web or fail | 13:33 |
| rick_h__ | going to have a jquery mobile version of bookie coming next | 13:33 |
| brousch | i need the camera and i need to mess with maps | 13:33 |
| rick_h__ | well maps is ok with geo location | 13:35 |
| rick_h__ | but yea, camera I'm not sure on | 13:35 |
| rick_h__ | google is working on it, but it's not there yet | 13:35 |
| brousch | i need to actually add elements to the maps and move them around | 13:36 |
| brousch | well, i need the user to do that | 13:36 |
| greg-g | brousch: what is this for? work or pleasure? | 13:49 |
| brousch | pleasure | 13:50 |
| greg-g | cool | 13:50 |
| brousch | greg-g: at least they were pleasure until i realized i will have to use java ;) | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Google just needs to implment Objective C on the JVM. ;) | 14:00 |
| snap-l | Then you can have developer bliss | 14:00 |
| rick_h__ | heh | 14:01 |
| brousch | i need a pyjamas-like thing that generates java (not bytecode) from python | 14:01 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: have you checked out phonegap and such? | 14:01 |
| brousch | they seem very hacky | 14:02 |
| snap-l | They keep saying that platform fragmentation is scaring away Android developers, but I think the real reason is nobody wants to do more than one project in Java | 14:02 |
| brousch | i can't get titanium to sync its example project to the emulator | 14:02 |
| brousch | and phonegap seems really light on documentation | 14:02 |
| brousch | maybe i'm wrong about phonegap. i just found another big chunk of docs | 14:03 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yea, I'm not sure to be honest. It's one of those things to check out when I get a chance | 14:04 |
| rick_h__ | ColonelPanic001: was checking out osmething that was ruby based I think | 14:04 |
| rick_h__ | rather do ruby than java | 14:04 |
| snap-l | ++ | 14:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wat | 14:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | http://rhomobile.com/ | 14:06 |
| rick_h__ | ColonelPanic001: what was the mobile thing? | 14:06 |
| wolfger | snap-l: devs are being scared away? Or is it just that they realize the world doesn't need another flashlight app? | 14:06 |
| brousch | i don't think i gave phonegap a fair shake | 14:06 |
| snap-l | wolfger: The world always needs flashlight apps | 14:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | personally, I often kind of hate rhomobile. Seems like some very basic things (like setting a cookie in a webview in iPhone) don't work, get filed as a bug, and I have yet to hear back | 14:06 |
| snap-l | especially ones that make sure your phone is charged before turning it on | 14:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ymmv, etc | 14:06 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yea, I've heard a lot of good things on phonegap | 14:06 |
| snap-l | after all, in every horror movie, the first thing to die is the flashlight. ;) | 14:07 |
| rick_h__ | but anything non-native will have it's complications | 14:07 |
| rick_h__ | which is why I keep thinking one day I'll end up getting that Java book | 14:07 |
| rick_h__ | just trying to avoid iOS and C | 14:07 |
| brousch | right. i really need an iphone+android version of these apps i'm making, and i'd rather not learn objective-c | 14:08 |
| brousch | looking at phonegap again, i think it might work. html+javascript is worth some pain if i can avoid java | 14:10 |
| brousch | also it would be just plain weird to use python at work and java at home | 14:11 |
| snap-l | But it wouldn't be weird to use java at work and python at home. ;) | 14:14 |
| brousch | right | 14:14 |
| wolfger | right | 14:25 |
| brousch | whoa, it worked. i have a map centered on my location | 14:48 |
| snap-l | nice! | 14:57 |
| brousch | i think i am supposed to use the usual javascript google maps api, so there should be a lot of help for me going forward | 14:59 |
| wolfger | jjesse sent me spam? (no, not really) | 15:06 |
| wolfger | got spam from "Jessie J" and looked at it on the off chance it was legit, since the name sounded familiar | 15:06 |
| jjesse | hahaha | 15:09 |
| jjesse | nope not me at all | 15:09 |
| wolfger | creeps me out how some spam e-mails manage to use names that are not *quite* names of people I know, but very close | 15:10 |
| jjesse | i've been getting a lot of email in my gmail account from people who either write down the wrong email address when applying for something or the person entering the data types it wrong | 15:12 |
| jjesse | stuff such as dental appointments, car buying information and even alumni funds | 15:13 |
| wolfger | I get e-mails from German speaking people trying to communicate with some other Wolfger 2-3 times a year | 15:17 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Thing is, if jjesse was sending you a mail, he'd begin it "Fellow Komrade" | 15:18 |
| snap-l | That's how you know. ;) | 15:18 |
| wolfger | :-) | 15:18 |
| wolfger | snap-l: wtf? Lightning talks on 5/10? | 15:19 |
| wolfger | That's a Wings playoff game night :-p | 15:19 |
| snap-l | Yep | 15:19 |
| snap-l | Sorry, I know that hockey will still be played until September | 15:19 |
| snap-l | At which point we _might_ know who won the Stanley Cup | 15:20 |
| wolfger | LOL | 15:20 |
| wolfger | I'm pretty sure we'll know definitively before July | 15:20 |
| wolfger | you should have the decency to postpone the meeting until 5/11 | 15:20 |
| snap-l | wolfger: If gib shows up, you'll be able to watch the meeting over his conferencing system | 15:21 |
| wolfger | oh, right... (computer geeks) == !(sports fans) | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Assuming that the network works, the camera isn't pointed up someone's nose, and there aren't solar flares. | 15:21 |
| wolfger | rofl | 15:21 |
| wolfger | I'm not going to make all 3 of those assumptions | 15:22 |
| wolfger | well I plan to watch the video conference, and derive some value from it, just to prove snap-l wrong. :-D | 15:23 |
| snap-l | Please do. I want this to work | 15:23 |
| wolfger | but I will probably see the inside of somebody's nose instead | 15:24 |
| brousch | bah, tivo the game and watch it later | 15:30 |
| wolfger | are you insane??? | 15:30 |
| brousch | if you're lucky you'll hear the score before you watch and can save yourself 2 or 3 hours | 15:30 |
| jjesse | watch the game in fast forward | 15:30 |
| wolfger | exactly why that's not acceptable | 15:30 |
| wolfger | I don't want to save myself 2 or 3 hours | 15:31 |
| wolfger | I do tend to dvr the game and start watching a half hour late so I can FF through commercials and intermission | 15:31 |
| _stink_ | that is the best strategy for sure | 15:32 |
| wolfger | jjesse: watching in FF is what I do when the game sucks (i.e. most Lions games prior to last season) | 15:32 |
| jjesse | i watch tiger games like that as well | 15:32 |
| wolfger | baseball *must* be watched in fast forward, just so you can see the action | 15:32 |
| _stink_ | the thing about watching in FF is that you can catch all the 'important' stuff, but you don't get any feel for how the game is. | 15:33 |
| wolfger | otherwise you get 10 minutes of the pitcher looking over his shoulder at the runner on first base | 15:33 |
| _stink_ | like who is playing well, poorly, which team is better | 15:33 |
| wolfger | _stink_: That's why I save it for games where I already know my team is sucking... and baseball... | 15:33 |
| wolfger | scratch that. i don't actually watch baseball | 15:34 |
| _stink_ | hah | 15:34 |
| _stink_ | i would love to watch baseball, but that is the lowest priority among all the sports, so i never get to it. | 15:34 |
| wolfger | oh, I give basketball the basement priority | 15:35 |
| wolfger | I would rather even watch nascar | 15:35 |
| brousch | all sports are a waste of time | 15:35 |
| wolfger | which is sad | 15:35 |
| brousch | watching them | 15:35 |
| _stink_ | hmm, i had forgotten about basketball. | 15:36 |
| _stink_ | and nascar is not a sport. | 15:36 |
| _stink_ | i guess for me it's soccer -> hockey -> other awesome stuff like rugby/aussie rules -> football -> baseball. | 15:37 |
| _stink_ | but i can't even watch all the soccer that's on, so really it's soccer and red wings. | 15:37 |
| wolfger | My watching priority is: Lions (when they don't suck), Red Wings, Lions when they suck, poker (not really a sport, but it's on the sports channels), soccer, everything else that I never watch intentionally but will if somebody else is. | 15:38 |
| _stink_ | so you're a Lions fan? :) | 15:39 |
| wolfger | Depends on the year :-) | 15:39 |
| wolfger | some years, I watch Lions games just to root for the other team | 15:39 |
| _stink_ | haha | 15:39 |
| wolfger | but last year I was a fan, and this year I plan to be as well | 15:39 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've seen a grand total of maybe an hour of football. It was a fascinating display of walking around. | 15:40 |
| wolfger | ColonelPanic001: you watched golf and thought it was football? ;-) | 15:40 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Golf at least doesn't pretend it's much more than walking around. | 15:40 |
| wolfger | golf... the only thing more boring than basketball | 15:40 |
| _stink_ | i would take watching golf over pro basketball. | 15:41 |
| _stink_ | golf is great background TV for a Sunday. | 15:41 |
| ColonelPanic001 | background TV == radio | 15:41 |
| wolfger | football became a lot more interesting to me once I started looking at it from a combat perspective. Formations of people out to hurt each other whilst pursuing an objective. | 15:42 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, might be fun to play, but boring as hell to watch. | 15:42 |
| _stink_ | i would love to know more about blocking schemes, yeah | 15:42 |
| _stink_ | but i am just a nerd | 15:42 |
| _stink_ | http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/05/09/commodore.64.reborn/index.html?hpt=C2 | 15:45 |
| _stink_ | hah | 15:45 |
| wolfger | _stink_: that is so FTW. Aside from the price. | 15:54 |
| brousch | i like to bowl and golf, but i can't stand to watch either on tv | 16:00 |
| snap-l | I'll believe it when I see it (re: the C64 PC case) | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Seems whatever entity calls itself commodore has a real problem with delivering anything | 16:10 |
| tjagoda | Says its supposed to ship in june | 16:12 |
| tjagoda | you dont have long to wait | 16:12 |
| snap-l | They were also planning on resurrecting the AMIGA | 16:13 |
| snap-l | and that pretty much died | 16:13 |
| snap-l | Oh, I love conference calls where something is found defective, and someone wonders why testing didn't find this | 16:15 |
| snap-l | "the barn door is open, and the horse is gone. How did this happen?" | 16:15 |
| wolfger | heh | 16:16 |
| wolfger | yeah, that's always great | 16:16 |
| wolfger | "The good news is, your hindsight is perfect. The bad news is, your foresight needs a stronger prescription." | 16:17 |
| snap-l | And I suspect that the testing is done to make it easy for humans to do testing | 16:17 |
| snap-l | which is why I'm very much for automated testing | 16:17 |
| snap-l | computers don't look for shortcuts. | 16:17 |
| wolfger | now if only we could get a computer to *write* the automated tests.... | 16:19 |
| wolfger | Alas... until Skynet goes fully operational, there will always be a human element to contribute to failure. | 16:20 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com/2011/04/22/open-metalcast-special-episode-cloudkicker/#comments | 17:01 |
| snap-l | This makes me happy | 17:01 |
| greg-g | snap-l: awesome! | 17:02 |
| rick_h__ | wheee, the review I've been waiting for | 17:34 |
| rick_h__ | so, do I go for soul crushing peer review? | 17:34 |
| rick_h__ | light peer review | 17:34 |
| rick_h__ | or just flat out due/evil? | 17:35 |
| binbrain | I can't wait till peer review time here. The new guy likes to use slots for everything | 17:44 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 17:44 |
| rick_h__ | no one at my work knows what slots are | 17:44 |
| binbrain | that's good for the most part | 17:44 |
| binbrain | very few use cases for them | 17:45 |
| rick_h__ | I don't know, if you know what slots are you've at least looked at nametuples and probably know a little about performance tuning | 17:45 |
| wolfger | peer review? | 17:46 |
| rick_h__ | ok, that reads mean, but there's no way to get around it. | 17:46 |
| * rick_h__ clicks submit | 17:46 | |
| wolfger | how does that work? | 17:46 |
| wolfger | I am without peer... :-D | 17:46 |
| rick_h__ | heh, your boss asks 5 people to fill out an online review of your work | 17:46 |
| rick_h__ | then combines it all and lets you know how you pissed off everyone during the year | 17:46 |
| wolfger | yeah, it's way too easy for that to become a popularity contest | 17:47 |
| binbrain | and the person that receives the most criticism is immediately killed | 17:47 |
| * rick_h__ goes back to edit more bad stuff into his review | 17:47 | |
| rick_h__ | I didn't know that part | 17:47 |
| wolfger | "I don't like this guy" and/or "I feel threatened by how much smarter he is" turns into "bad review" | 17:48 |
| rick_h__ | well bosses job to read between the lines | 17:48 |
| binbrain | rick_h_, eXtreme peer review | 17:48 |
| rick_h__ | end of the day you sit down with your boss, go over your goals for the year, set new ones, maybe ask about a raise | 17:48 |
| wolfger | whee | 17:48 |
| rick_h__ | yea, fun stuff ...ugh | 17:48 |
| wolfger | I'd like a job with performance reviews and raises. I almost remember what they were like. | 17:49 |
| rick_h__ | heh, it's my first | 17:49 |
| rick_h__ | but already hating it | 17:49 |
| wolfger | and it's always nice to know everybody else thinks I'm more talented than I am | 17:49 |
| rick_h__ | since you get asked to do reviews for people you barely work with | 17:49 |
| binbrain | goals... here goals are basically I'll assign you a ticket and you fix it. I remember goals at my other job "Ensure streamlined process flow for business success at an enterprise level" | 17:49 |
| rick_h__ | and the whole 'how honest, cagey, or flat out lying' do you do | 17:50 |
| rick_h__ | well, I had goals to prepare and preset 'classes' for the staf | 17:50 |
| wolfger | oh, I meant regular reviews, not peer reviews. That sounds crappy | 17:50 |
| rick_h__ | that ended up being complete waste of time since they don't use the crap anyway | 17:50 |
| snap-l | Shoot me now | 17:51 |
| * rick_h__ loads up | 17:51 | |
| snap-l | User posted Java code that is escaped XML code with string concatenation | 17:52 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: so the request for your new machine with eclipse pre-installed go through? | 17:52 |
| rick_h__ | yay! | 17:52 |
| rick_h__ | how nice that he escaped it for you | 17:52 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm happy. | 17:52 |
| snap-l | She, I believe | 17:52 |
| wolfger | heh | 17:55 |
| * wolfger simultaneously laughs at the described Java code and hides some of his old Perl code that was the same way.... | 17:56 | |
| snap-l | This is also someone who was asking when they can move their code to production last week | 17:56 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Perl is different | 17:56 |
| wolfger | because people expect it to look like garbage? | 17:57 |
| snap-l | I'd expect someone to piece together an XML response like this in Perl | 17:58 |
| snap-l | but when Java has a built-in-library for this express purpose, I'd expect people to use it | 17:58 |
| snap-l | especially since IT'S IN THE FUCKING EXAMPLE CODE IN THE DOCUMENTATION | 17:58 |
| wolfger | :-) | 18:04 |
| snap-l | I mean, if there's a reason, I'm all for hearing it | 18:05 |
| snap-l | but this is just ridiculous | 18:05 |
| wolfger | person is a perl coder using Java for reasons beyond their control? | 18:05 |
| snap-l | That can be fixed with education | 18:06 |
| wolfger | I mean, there's perl modules to handle XML and HTML in refined ways... but for the single-purpose scripts I was writing, learning to use those tools seemed kind of like a waste of time. :-p | 18:07 |
| snap-l | wolfger: It also depends on the level of control, yes. | 18:07 |
| snap-l | if you need to carefully craft a stanza, I get that | 18:07 |
| snap-l | but then again, that's a reason. ;) | 18:07 |
| rick_h__ | http://www.webkit.org/blog/1620/webkit-remote-debugging/ and the web always wins, hell yea | 18:09 |
| snap-l | wow | 18:09 |
| snap-l | I have to say, webkit keeps impressing me | 18:10 |
| wolfger | cool | 18:11 |
| PainBank | yo, anyone have suggestions for an IT Help Desk ticket system? | 18:22 |
| PainBank | rick_h__: saw your post about the Review Board. we are starting to use it at my work.. any suggestions? | 18:25 |
| greg-g | I dislike Footprints (windows server only, I believe) | 18:25 |
| jjesse | i used request tracker a long time ago | 18:26 |
| jjesse | almost 5 years ago | 18:26 |
| rick_h__ | PainBank: we just went with redmine, but that's more for software side vs help desk | 18:26 |
| rick_h__ | PainBank: and jealous with your reviewboard install | 18:27 |
| rick_h__ | I'm dreaming of getting it in use at work | 18:27 |
| PainBank | rick_h__: ya we have redmine going to, but I was looking for something a bit more non-software friendly. | 18:28 |
| rick_h__ | yea, that's what I figured. I don't have a good one for you | 18:29 |
| rick_h__ | there's a bunch of paid ones that are supposed to be nice, but we'd never fork over the $$ | 18:29 |
| PainBank | rick_h__: don't worry, the manager desires certain features, which are not there.... thinking... | 18:29 |
| PainBank | rick_h__: I know someone that we could pay to implement these for us... :D | 18:29 |
| PainBank | ya, the code review software is mucho $$ that is out there right now. | 18:30 |
| PainBank | found this link for help desk: http://www.opensourcehelpdesklist.com/ | 18:30 |
| PainBank | looks like a lot fit the bill, butjust figuring out which one is nice... | 18:31 |
| PainBank | meh, could just go with it. :0 | 18:31 |
| rick_h__ | http://www.zendesk.com/ is supposed to be ok | 18:32 |
| rick_h__ | I've not used a single oss package that would make good end user support except maybe RT if you can keep it to email | 18:33 |
| PainBank | thanks | 18:44 |
| snap-l | So the reason that they're concatenating XML is because they ran into a problem with the JAX-WS libraries under Weblogic | 18:46 |
| snap-l | which would lead me to think that maybe the problem is with weblogic. :) | 18:46 |
| snap-l | but hey, what would I know. | 18:47 |
| brousch | android dev is pretty fun with phonegap | 19:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | STFU | 19:13 |
| * ColonelPanic001 says, as he gets pissed off at RhoMobile | 19:13 | |
| snap-l | No development should be fun | 19:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Don't rub it in. | 19:13 |
| snap-l | It's all sadness and tears | 19:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | it is. | 19:13 |
| brousch | ColonelPanic001: html and javascript | 19:14 |
| brousch | and i kind of like eclipse, so even that doesn't bother me | 19:15 |
| wolfger | brousch: html and javascript written entirely in notepad | 19:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, RhoMobile is all Ruby/HTML/Javascript | 19:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | when it works | 19:16 |
| brousch | wolfger: eh? | 19:16 |
| brousch | you can use whatever editor you want to | 19:16 |
| wolfger | no, for maximum "sadness and tears" it needs to be Notepad. | 19:17 |
| wolfger | Or actually Wordpad. That's worse. | 19:17 |
| PainBank | now you tell me | 19:17 |
| snap-l | edit.exe. ;) | 19:19 |
| snap-l | That's a real programmer's editor | 19:20 |
| PainBank | haha, nice | 19:20 |
| wolfger | ok, let's bring it back to the realm of Linux.... you must code in red | 19:26 |
| wolfger | XD | 19:26 |
| snap-l | The coder in red.... is compiling for me | 19:28 |
| wolfger | byte to byte | 19:28 |
| snap-l | wolfger: You get a gold star for catching that reference. :) | 19:29 |
| wolfger | there's no errros here.... it's just running right | 19:30 |
| wolfger | gah. s/errros/errors/ | 19:30 |
| wolfger | now isn't that ironic. Don'tcha think? | 19:31 |
| wolfger | It's like Pai-ai-ain, in your Baa-aa-ank | 19:34 |
| binbrain | the following error appears 100+ times in a systems dmesg.... "Err;Fc.ToDs". Someone needs a medal for ultimate error message | 19:47 |
| _stink_ | haha | 19:48 |
| _stink_ | we can guess, right? | 19:48 |
| _stink_ | Error; Feral cat. Teeth of Destructions | 19:49 |
| binbrain | that was my 2nd guess | 19:50 |
| wolfger | binbrain: http://linux.sourcearchive.com/documentation/2.6.28-9.31/cmm__data__2870_8c-source.html | 19:56 |
| wolfger | though I like _stink_'s explantion better | 19:56 |
| wolfger | // Drop ToDs promiscous frame, it is opened due to CCX 2 channel load statistics | 19:57 |
| binbrain | wolfger: I was hoping that wasn't the device messing up | 20:05 |
| binbrain | bah | 20:05 |
| binbrain | err, driver likely | 20:06 |
| wolfger | great thing about FOSS... got an obscure error message? Google it and fight the code that generated it. :-) | 20:07 |
| wolfger | s/fight/find/ geez... time for me to go home | 20:08 |
| wolfger | well, you can fight the code that generated it, too... submit a patch for a more meaningful error message. :-p | 20:09 |
| binbrain | wolfger: that was so a Freudian slip | 20:09 |
| snap-l | I'mm be very happy when iOS has OTA updating | 20:14 |
| snap-l | Anyone know of a good source of 3GP video? | 20:57 |
| snap-l | Checked archive.org, but came up a bit short | 20:58 |
| snap-l | n/m, found some | 21:06 |
| snap-l | Also learned some things that can't be unlearned. Thanks, archive.org! | 21:07 |
| greg-g | lol | 21:07 |
| rick_h__ | http://digitizor.com/2011/05/09/mark-shuttleworth-ubuntu/ | 21:21 |
| rick_h__ | and Mark makes sure I don't install ubuntu this week | 21:21 |
| rick_h__ | thanks Mark, appreciate it | 21:21 |
| jjesse | let see some real numbers on how many users of ubuntu are and then we can set some goals ;) | 21:22 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I love how veryone glommed on to the Unity part of the equation | 21:36 |
| snap-l | "Well, if you want 200M users, you need to start by stroking my ego of what a desktop should be" | 21:36 |
| rick_h__ | I'm just cranky at the whole "we're not trying to win over developers" crap | 21:37 |
| rick_h__ | every OS out there knows they need and caters to developers | 21:37 |
| snap-l | Developers are a fickle breed | 21:37 |
| rick_h__ | and here you've got canonical going "psh, we'll test/dev/do it our selves" | 21:37 |
| snap-l | users are an easier target | 21:37 |
| snap-l | Developers do what they're told. ;) | 21:38 |
| snap-l | I <3 proving folks wrong. | 21:57 |
| snap-l | Got a note that our product doesn't support certain attachmens | 21:57 |
| snap-l | And I've created a bundle that has proven that this is not true | 21:58 |
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