[01:08] brousch: Yes, yes I am 85 years old [01:23] Reminder: There's a monthly IRC meeting at 9pm [01:27] here? [01:28] party [01:51] here, yes. [01:52] irc meeting > work meeting? [01:56] ? [01:56] sorry, thinking of you always talking about XXX meeting at work [01:56] trying to think of the name, web something? [02:00] Webex [02:01] yea, that's it [02:01] anyway, irc linux mtg > webex work meeting to start the week off [02:01] Oh most definitely [02:01] I wish all of my meetigs were on IRC [02:01] it's time! [02:01] Well, most of them [02:01] so anyone know if greg-g made it back yet? [02:01] Yep, let's call it to order [02:01] greg-g: Are you online? [02:02] OK, I think he's still making way back to the great catcher's mitt [02:03] crap [02:03] anyone have the link to the agenda then? [02:03] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/60/detail/ [02:04] That's the link to the agenda [02:04] Anyone have anything to add? [02:04] was going to bring up mug this tues [02:04] if anyone wants to submit a lightning talk on something loco-ish would be cool [02:04] some natty love, or maybe something else [02:04] Yeah, the more the merrier [02:05] I'll be talking about Gogle Voice [02:05] so first, anyone else here in this meeting betsides me and snap-l ? [02:05] Don't be shy. :) [02:05] <_stink_> here [02:06] Great, three people... let's start a magazine. ;) [02:06] I get the back page [02:06] gah... [02:06] I was going to call back page. [02:06] Someone listened to TWiT recently. [02:06] ok, so MUG meeting tues, you coming _stink_ ? [02:06] <_stink_> rick_h__: very unlikely. :/ Tuesdays are more or less impossible [02:07] gah, ok well then [02:07] _stink_: So, yes, then? [02:07] hah [02:07] <_stink_> hah. you sound like a former boss of mine. [02:07] ok, so our group is giving two lightning talks so far [02:07] sounds like some good rep of the loco, not ubuntu topics, but still cool [02:08] next up, penguicon...so anything interesting happen? [02:08] Well, regardless, if anyone is going, and wants to talk, by all means let the folks at MUG know [02:08] Penguicon, as always was awesome [02:08] not as much tech as I would have liked, but good stuff [02:08] jcastro spread the love on Unity and Natty [02:09] Got me considering running the damn thing. :) [02:09] lol [02:09] sucker! [02:09] Release party was awesome. If anyone has any photos on flickr, please add them to the group [02:09] <_stink_> ... does it work now? [02:09] <_stink_> unity [02:09] just don't touch it [02:09] _stink_: Works as well as the beta [02:10] so if you were working prior to the beta, then you'll still be working [02:10] but if you were hosed, you're likely still hosed. [02:10] But I have to say it's pretty sweet overall [02:10] so I wanted to see what people thought about the release party like that [02:11] I'm wondering if we need to find a better room/way going forward? [02:11] rick_h__: if we're doing it at Penguicon, it would be nice to have a room party [02:11] That way we would be on the schedule [02:11] ok, what's the time frame for that to put together? [02:12] should we put some notes on a calendar now for "schedule room" or something? [02:12] heya, home now [02:13] yay, greg-g can take over now [02:13] yeah, so, the date for the LoCo sponsored MUG meeting is... June right? or was it may :/ [02:13] it's june [02:13] ok, good [02:13] mug meeting is this tues for lightning talks [02:13] right [02:13] and they'd love some more talks so if anyone is coming and wants to spend 5-10min on something cool, encourage you all to submit [02:13] * greg-g nods [02:13] send an email to the ubuntu-us-mi list? [02:14] I can, if you want [02:14] I didn't, I figured that's mug board people :P [02:14] * greg-g looks at snap-l [02:15] What did I not do now? :) [02:15] do you think we should send to the mi list for mug this week? [02:15] or too late don't bother? [02:15] Yeah, I'll send something [02:15] coolio [02:16] I'll send that out tomorrow [02:16] snap-l / rick_h__ : other than the need for an actual room next year, anything else from the release party? [02:17] We had a LOT of people there [02:17] some who were part of the loco, and some new faces [02:17] awesome [02:17] Plus some folks just hanging out [02:17] yea, we should start pimping the Loco MUG meeting [02:17] try to get a lot of the new faces there [02:17] so, I'm wondering if I should make up a basic template for a "sign-in" kind of sheet, or at least, "add me to the mailing list" [02:17] * greg-g nods [02:18] https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144130086252498 [02:18] greg-g: what about the other way, like business cards to hand out? [02:18] with the site, list, irc info, etc [02:18] not a bad idea [02:18] I guess I just don't don't want to be the one collecting info [02:18] but don't mind handing stuff out [02:18] yeah, hear ya [02:19] so, ok, I'll put that on my list for this week, creating a basic business card [02:19] cool, I know some other locos have done some things [02:19] maybe we can crib off them [02:19] oh yeah, I'll take a look around [02:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-in/2010-October/000914.html for instance [02:20] but yea, I think that would be cool before the next release party [02:21] and willing to help sponsor that [02:21] oh right, forgot about that [02:21] * greg-g nods [02:21] duly noted [02:21] That would be cool [02:21] awesome.. so, are we good on speakers for our meeting? [02:21] I think the only one confirmed is rick_h__ [02:21] I've not heard, do we have a wiki page up with submissions? [02:21] all I have in my tomboy note is you, rick_h__ [02:21] and have we written the check to MUG? [02:22] we haven't, but i have the money [02:22] so I can whenever [02:22] it's all confirmed/what not [02:22] ah ok [02:22] ok, well some ideas: some ubuntu one talk would be awesome I think [02:22] alright, so, after the MUG meeting this week, on Wed, I'll send a note to the list asking for participation [02:23] cool [02:23] good idea [02:23] let me know before you send it out [02:23] yeah, def [02:23] we can try to generate a list of interesting bits [02:23] and try to recruit people for talks vs just "anyone want to do anything" [02:23] right right, much better [02:23] I'm creating an event on the calendar now [02:23] awesome [02:23] thanks buddy [02:24] * greg-g has been using "buddy" too much recently [02:24] greg-g is just friendly like that [02:25] :) [02:25] my friendliness got me through security today without ID :) [02:25] happened ot my wife a while ago [02:25] got her purse stolen in DC [02:25] ugh [02:25] ugh [02:25] lol [02:25] glad you made it safe [02:26] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/974/detail/ [02:26] Yeah, greg-g, that sucks (no ID) [02:26] loco meeting in eefect? [02:26] brousch: indeed [02:26] brousch: Yeah, boyeeeee [02:26] just in time for the near ending ;) [02:26] brousch: how was the west side release party? [02:27] any notes to think about going forward? [02:27] it was pretty good [02:27] it was held at the usual wmlug meeting, and had about double normal wmlug attendence [02:27] rick_h__: I think we need to get some more folks to commit to the meeting [02:27] the mug meeting, I mean [02:27] snap-l: yea, definitely [02:27] it's bigger if held with grlug [02:27] I mean, we don't need 10min lightning talks [02:27] We'll have one more meeting prior [02:28] but 4 or so would be good [02:28] brousch: awesome [02:28] but would be good to get some more folks to commit [02:28] I'll commit as a last resort to showing off Unity [02:28] well will ping smoser and jcastro [02:28] kk [02:28] I think it'd be cool to see jcastro show off some ubuntu one/banshee goodness [02:29] brousch: oh yeah, nice blog post on unity, btw [02:29] and smoser maybe something interesting cloud-side for things going on [02:29] Assuminghe's in town. ;) [02:29] yea, well they're gone this week I know [02:29] so next couple of weeks, but should be back in June [02:29] * greg-g nods [02:29] /in/by/ [02:30] OK, so who wants to bang the drum for participants? [02:31] for LoCoMUG? I can [02:31] so after the meeting this week greg-g and I will work on an email [02:31] OK, cool [02:31] but we'll wait until Tues clears [02:31] with rick_h__ , of course [02:31] yeah [02:31] but you'll do this week, right snap-l ? [02:31] (ie: hey! give lightning talks!) [02:32] Yeah, I'll mail out for this week's MUG meeting [02:32] word [02:33] Any more to talk about re: MUG foo? [02:33] well just need to cooridnate the dollars there [02:33] snap-l: question for you/board: just bring the check the day of? [02:33] Yeah, that sould be fine [02:33] ok, cool [02:33] There's no worries about getting paid. [02:33] anything else they need from us? [02:33] you know how to get me :) [02:33] we know greg-g is good for it [02:34] I'm sure they want some committed stuff to pub before hand [02:34] and we'll lay the smack down if not. ;) [02:34] Most definitely [02:34] The sooner the better. :) [02:34] I'd like to write up a little one pager with the list of names from the people who donated to give with the check, just for ceremonial sake :) [02:34] esp before 5/31 [02:35] get one of those giant checks [02:35] brousch: yeah, definitely! [02:36] oh ed mcmahon [02:36] has widox done anything lately? maybe we'll rope him in during a CHC meeting [02:36] doit! [02:36] love irc'ing when people are afk [02:36] need to get him up here [02:36] we're coming widox, watch out... [02:36] s/here/there/ [02:37] heh [02:37] Anything else, or should we put a bow on it, and call it a day? [02:38] a day [02:38] Also, Michael Arrington is an ass [02:38] lol, what did he do now? [02:38] http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/07/tech-press-screw-them-all/ [02:39] Also, Facebook comments are bullshit [02:40] hah [02:40] OK, I think we're done then. ;) [02:40] Thanks everyone! [02:40] thank you for getting it started without me! [02:40] we have a meeting? [02:40] Hope to see each and every one of you special snowflakes at MUG on Tuesday [02:41] bookie demo woot [02:42] Looking forward to taht. [02:46] ucast it [02:46] ustream [03:03] Does anyone have a good irc client suggestion? [03:03] irssi [03:04] xchat [03:04] pidgin [03:06] thanks [03:06] I'm not a fan of konversation [03:07] running kde? [03:11] quassel is the default [03:41] * widox hides under desk [03:42] rick_h__: --^ [13:17] rick_h__: did you see this article? http://sontek.net/turning-vim-into-a-modern-python-ide [13:18] very thorough [13:20] brousch: yea, saw it and have it open [13:20] haven't had a chance ot read it yet, home with sick boy [13:20] ug, good luck [13:27] heh, no problem, just another round of pink eye [13:27] luckily we haven't encountered that one [13:28] cross-platform mobile dev is full of fail [13:29] i'm afraid i will have to re-learn java if i want to work on my android apps [13:33] it's not that bad [13:33] very contageous, but we get it regularly it seems [13:33] as for mobile, web or fail [13:33] going to have a jquery mobile version of bookie coming next [13:33] i need the camera and i need to mess with maps [13:35] well maps is ok with geo location [13:35] but yea, camera I'm not sure on [13:35] google is working on it, but it's not there yet [13:36] i need to actually add elements to the maps and move them around [13:36] well, i need the user to do that [13:49] brousch: what is this for? work or pleasure? [13:50] pleasure [13:50] cool [13:58] greg-g: at least they were pleasure until i realized i will have to use java ;) [14:00] Google just needs to implment Objective C on the JVM. ;) [14:00] Then you can have developer bliss [14:01] heh [14:01] i need a pyjamas-like thing that generates java (not bytecode) from python [14:01] brousch: have you checked out phonegap and such? [14:02] they seem very hacky [14:02] They keep saying that platform fragmentation is scaring away Android developers, but I think the real reason is nobody wants to do more than one project in Java [14:02] i can't get titanium to sync its example project to the emulator [14:02] and phonegap seems really light on documentation [14:03] maybe i'm wrong about phonegap. i just found another big chunk of docs [14:04] brousch: yea, I'm not sure to be honest. It's one of those things to check out when I get a chance [14:04] ColonelPanic001: was checking out osmething that was ruby based I think [14:04] rather do ruby than java [14:05] ++ [14:05] wat [14:06] http://rhomobile.com/ [14:06] ColonelPanic001: what was the mobile thing? [14:06] snap-l: devs are being scared away? Or is it just that they realize the world doesn't need another flashlight app? [14:06] i don't think i gave phonegap a fair shake [14:06] wolfger: The world always needs flashlight apps [14:06] personally, I often kind of hate rhomobile. Seems like some very basic things (like setting a cookie in a webview in iPhone) don't work, get filed as a bug, and I have yet to hear back [14:06] especially ones that make sure your phone is charged before turning it on [14:06] ymmv, etc [14:06] brousch: yea, I've heard a lot of good things on phonegap [14:07] after all, in every horror movie, the first thing to die is the flashlight. ;) [14:07] but anything non-native will have it's complications [14:07] which is why I keep thinking one day I'll end up getting that Java book [14:07] just trying to avoid iOS and C [14:08] right. i really need an iphone+android version of these apps i'm making, and i'd rather not learn objective-c [14:10] looking at phonegap again, i think it might work. html+javascript is worth some pain if i can avoid java [14:11] also it would be just plain weird to use python at work and java at home [14:14] But it wouldn't be weird to use java at work and python at home. ;) [14:14] right [14:25] right [14:48] whoa, it worked. i have a map centered on my location [14:57] nice! [14:59] i think i am supposed to use the usual javascript google maps api, so there should be a lot of help for me going forward [15:06] jjesse sent me spam? (no, not really) [15:06] got spam from "Jessie J" and looked at it on the off chance it was legit, since the name sounded familiar [15:09] hahaha [15:09] nope not me at all [15:10] creeps me out how some spam e-mails manage to use names that are not *quite* names of people I know, but very close [15:12] i've been getting a lot of email in my gmail account from people who either write down the wrong email address when applying for something or the person entering the data types it wrong [15:13] stuff such as dental appointments, car buying information and even alumni funds [15:17] I get e-mails from German speaking people trying to communicate with some other Wolfger 2-3 times a year [15:18] wolfger: Thing is, if jjesse was sending you a mail, he'd begin it "Fellow Komrade" [15:18] That's how you know. ;) [15:18] :-) [15:19] snap-l: wtf? Lightning talks on 5/10? [15:19] That's a Wings playoff game night :-p [15:19] Yep [15:19] Sorry, I know that hockey will still be played until September [15:20] At which point we _might_ know who won the Stanley Cup [15:20] LOL [15:20] I'm pretty sure we'll know definitively before July [15:20] you should have the decency to postpone the meeting until 5/11 [15:21] wolfger: If gib shows up, you'll be able to watch the meeting over his conferencing system [15:21] oh, right... (computer geeks) == !(sports fans) [15:21] Assuming that the network works, the camera isn't pointed up someone's nose, and there aren't solar flares. [15:21] rofl [15:22] I'm not going to make all 3 of those assumptions [15:23] well I plan to watch the video conference, and derive some value from it, just to prove snap-l wrong. :-D [15:23] Please do. I want this to work [15:24] but I will probably see the inside of somebody's nose instead [15:30] bah, tivo the game and watch it later [15:30] are you insane??? [15:30] if you're lucky you'll hear the score before you watch and can save yourself 2 or 3 hours [15:30] watch the game in fast forward [15:30] exactly why that's not acceptable [15:31] I don't want to save myself 2 or 3 hours [15:31] I do tend to dvr the game and start watching a half hour late so I can FF through commercials and intermission [15:32] <_stink_> that is the best strategy for sure [15:32] jjesse: watching in FF is what I do when the game sucks (i.e. most Lions games prior to last season) [15:32] i watch tiger games like that as well [15:32] baseball *must* be watched in fast forward, just so you can see the action [15:33] <_stink_> the thing about watching in FF is that you can catch all the 'important' stuff, but you don't get any feel for how the game is. [15:33] otherwise you get 10 minutes of the pitcher looking over his shoulder at the runner on first base [15:33] <_stink_> like who is playing well, poorly, which team is better [15:33] _stink_: That's why I save it for games where I already know my team is sucking... and baseball... [15:34] scratch that. i don't actually watch baseball [15:34] <_stink_> hah [15:34] <_stink_> i would love to watch baseball, but that is the lowest priority among all the sports, so i never get to it. [15:35] oh, I give basketball the basement priority [15:35] I would rather even watch nascar [15:35] all sports are a waste of time [15:35] which is sad [15:35] watching them [15:36] <_stink_> hmm, i had forgotten about basketball. [15:36] <_stink_> and nascar is not a sport. [15:37] <_stink_> i guess for me it's soccer -> hockey -> other awesome stuff like rugby/aussie rules -> football -> baseball. [15:37] <_stink_> but i can't even watch all the soccer that's on, so really it's soccer and red wings. [15:38] My watching priority is: Lions (when they don't suck), Red Wings, Lions when they suck, poker (not really a sport, but it's on the sports channels), soccer, everything else that I never watch intentionally but will if somebody else is. [15:39] <_stink_> so you're a Lions fan? :) [15:39] Depends on the year :-) [15:39] some years, I watch Lions games just to root for the other team [15:39] <_stink_> haha [15:39] but last year I was a fan, and this year I plan to be as well [15:40] I've seen a grand total of maybe an hour of football. It was a fascinating display of walking around. [15:40] ColonelPanic001: you watched golf and thought it was football? ;-) [15:40] Golf at least doesn't pretend it's much more than walking around. [15:40] golf... the only thing more boring than basketball [15:41] <_stink_> i would take watching golf over pro basketball. [15:41] <_stink_> golf is great background TV for a Sunday. [15:41] background TV == radio [15:42] football became a lot more interesting to me once I started looking at it from a combat perspective. Formations of people out to hurt each other whilst pursuing an objective. [15:42] yeah, might be fun to play, but boring as hell to watch. [15:42] <_stink_> i would love to know more about blocking schemes, yeah [15:42] <_stink_> but i am just a nerd [15:45] <_stink_> http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/05/09/commodore.64.reborn/index.html?hpt=C2 [15:45] <_stink_> hah [15:54] _stink_: that is so FTW. Aside from the price. [16:00] i like to bowl and golf, but i can't stand to watch either on tv [16:08] I'll believe it when I see it (re: the C64 PC case) [16:10] Seems whatever entity calls itself commodore has a real problem with delivering anything [16:12] Says its supposed to ship in june [16:12] you dont have long to wait [16:13] They were also planning on resurrecting the AMIGA [16:13] and that pretty much died [16:15] Oh, I love conference calls where something is found defective, and someone wonders why testing didn't find this [16:15] "the barn door is open, and the horse is gone. How did this happen?" [16:16] heh [16:16] yeah, that's always great [16:17] "The good news is, your hindsight is perfect. The bad news is, your foresight needs a stronger prescription." [16:17] And I suspect that the testing is done to make it easy for humans to do testing [16:17] which is why I'm very much for automated testing [16:17] computers don't look for shortcuts. [16:19] now if only we could get a computer to *write* the automated tests.... [16:20] Alas... until Skynet goes fully operational, there will always be a human element to contribute to failure. [17:01] http://openmetalcast.com/2011/04/22/open-metalcast-special-episode-cloudkicker/#comments [17:01] This makes me happy [17:02] snap-l: awesome! [17:34] wheee, the review I've been waiting for [17:34] so, do I go for soul crushing peer review? [17:34] light peer review [17:35] or just flat out due/evil? [17:44] I can't wait till peer review time here. The new guy likes to use slots for everything [17:44] lol [17:44] no one at my work knows what slots are [17:44] that's good for the most part [17:45] very few use cases for them [17:45] I don't know, if you know what slots are you've at least looked at nametuples and probably know a little about performance tuning [17:46] peer review? [17:46] ok, that reads mean, but there's no way to get around it. [17:46] * rick_h__ clicks submit [17:46] how does that work? [17:46] I am without peer... :-D [17:46] heh, your boss asks 5 people to fill out an online review of your work [17:46] then combines it all and lets you know how you pissed off everyone during the year [17:47] yeah, it's way too easy for that to become a popularity contest [17:47] and the person that receives the most criticism is immediately killed [17:47] * rick_h__ goes back to edit more bad stuff into his review [17:47] I didn't know that part [17:48] "I don't like this guy" and/or "I feel threatened by how much smarter he is" turns into "bad review" [17:48] well bosses job to read between the lines [17:48] rick_h_, eXtreme peer review [17:48] end of the day you sit down with your boss, go over your goals for the year, set new ones, maybe ask about a raise [17:48] whee [17:48] yea, fun stuff ...ugh [17:49] I'd like a job with performance reviews and raises. I almost remember what they were like. [17:49] heh, it's my first [17:49] but already hating it [17:49] and it's always nice to know everybody else thinks I'm more talented than I am [17:49] since you get asked to do reviews for people you barely work with [17:49] goals... here goals are basically I'll assign you a ticket and you fix it. I remember goals at my other job "Ensure streamlined process flow for business success at an enterprise level" [17:50] and the whole 'how honest, cagey, or flat out lying' do you do [17:50] well, I had goals to prepare and preset 'classes' for the staf [17:50] oh, I meant regular reviews, not peer reviews. That sounds crappy [17:50] that ended up being complete waste of time since they don't use the crap anyway [17:51] Shoot me now [17:51] * rick_h__ loads up [17:52] User posted Java code that is escaped XML code with string concatenation [17:52] snap-l: so the request for your new machine with eclipse pre-installed go through? [17:52]