[00:29] <palhmbs> I've wrecked my lubuntu menu, any idea on how to troubleshoot?
[00:29] <palhmbs> is lxde iffy very particular with .desktop files?
[00:33] <jmarsden|work> Do your .desktop files follow the http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ spec?   If they do, you should be fine.
[00:44] <palhmbs> jmarsden, got it working, but still a new desktop file I created isn't showing up. :(
[00:45] <palhmbs> isn't there a menu editor for lxde?
[00:45] <jmarsden|work> Any text editor will work :) :)
[00:46] <jmarsden|work> As far as I know, LXDE is very small and has a small developer team... if you want to contribute a menu editor to the project, that would be cool.
[00:46] <palhmbs> ah - that's better, it didn't like my quotes eg: gksudo "vim blah/directory/"
[00:46] <palhmbs> jmarsden, someone has done one in java on sourceforge....
[00:47] <jmarsden|work> In Java?  Why would something as lightweight as LXDE want to require Java ? :)
[00:47] <palhmbs> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
[00:47] <palhmbs> idk -
[00:51] <phillw> jmarsden|work: I'm with you on that one, why java? Python we are okay with it still just squeezes in but Java blows the minimal spec out of the water and will not be accepted.
[01:05] <palhmbs> how bout this then : http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=138298 ???????
[01:10] <palhmbs> ok so I tried it, it doesn't look like it's compatible with the new lxde lubuntu... :(
[01:11] <jmarsden|work> And it depends on zenity, which isn't in Lubuntu by default... might be fixable, but not usable as it stands.
[01:18] <palhmbs> jmarsden, phillw - another thing I've noticed - no middle-click copy paste from terminal with lxde?
[01:23] <jmarsden|work> palhmbs: It seems to work for me here in a virtual Lubuntu install ...
[01:29] <sadie> I have installed in synaptic Lubuntu-restricted-addon
[01:29] <sadie> and Lubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:29] <palhmbs> jmarsden|work, it's partially working, but not from vim :/
[01:29] <sadie> is there any contradiction?
[01:30] <jmarsden|work> palhmbs: I use emacs, so that would explain it :)
[01:30] <palhmbs> emacs, bah humbug!
[01:31] <palhmbs> why run the Emacs  Operating System  :P
[01:32] <jmarsden|work> I learned to use emacs in 1980-something, and stuck with it across multiple OS platforms... works for me :)
[01:39] <palhmbs> jmarsden, do you use org-mode too?
[01:42] <hyperair> jmarsden|work: what's wrong with alacarte, though?
[01:43] <jmarsden|work> hyperair: I don't know, it labels itself as a GNOME menu editing tool... is it not really GNOME-specific?
[01:43] <hyperair> jmarsden|work: i don't see any gnome deps
[01:44] <hyperair> frankly, if the only issue was the GNOME name, i see no point in writing a separate tool
[01:44] <jmarsden|work> OK, I'll take a look.  Agreed :)
[01:45] <jmarsden|work> hyperair: Um.  I just tried it, and it wants to add 120 packages to my Lubuntu :|
[01:46] <jmarsden|work> Including a bunch of gnome-* packages, and pulseaudio... why would a menu editor require pulseaudio? :)
[01:49] <phillw> I'll go and contact the author of http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/ and see if they want some help on making it python based. hyperair would the team be okay with it being python? It is currently java, so python is the nearest one I can think of to let the author do a re-write?
[01:50] <phillw> bugga, missed him :(
[02:47] <palhmbs> jmarsden, thank goodness for xclip !
[06:51] <MK`> Is the 10.04 disc a liveCD?
[06:52] <MK`> or just a sort of alternate install
[06:52] <bioterror> all of them are
[06:52] <bioterror> except alternate install
[06:52] <MK`> thanks
[06:56] <KM0201> MK`: i think there's an alt. cd also if thats what you want...
[07:02] <MK`> for 10.04?
[07:03] <Unit193> There is no Alt CD, only live and mini.iso
[07:04] <MK`> Can you link me to the mini please?
[07:04] <Unit193> !mini
[07:04] <MK`> thanks
[08:25] <gilir> jmarsden: I opened a lubuntu-dev team with PPAs for Lubuntu developements, feel free to use them for any relative work on Lubuntu :)
[08:49] <MK`> gilir :o
[08:58] <MK`> hey gilir
[08:59] <gilir> hi MK`
[08:59] <MK`> Do you still have the alpha and beta isos for lucid and maverick? I can't seem to find them anywhere
[09:02] <gilir> probably on my main system yes
[09:02] <MK`> do you think you could mirror them for me or give me the torrents incase anyone is seeding them please?
[09:03] <gilir> yes, but I'm currently away from this system
[09:04] <MK`> Ok
[09:04] <bioterror> MK`, why you want 10.04 beta iso?
[09:04] <gilir> why do you need them ?
[09:04]  * bioterror cant understand
[09:05] <gilir> bioterror was faster :)
[09:05] <bioterror> and fyi 10.10 betas and alphas wanst that good either ;)
[09:05] <bioterror> those are just stage builds for hunting bugs
[09:05] <MK`> Posterity, historical record, curiosity, etc :P
[09:05] <MK`> I'm that collector guy
[09:07] <bioterror> I can make you one, cat /dev/urandom > lubuntu-10.04-alpha1.iso
[09:07] <bioterror> when it reaches 600MB, I can press ^C
[09:07] <bioterror> you can say you have it, as you're not going to use it for anything :D
[09:09] <head_victim> gilir: what time is it in Budapest now so I can do a quick calculation on if I can remotely join in the Lubuntu sessions
[09:09] <bioterror> budabest is around UTC+2
[09:09] <gilir> head_victim: 10:00
[09:09] <bioterror> oh, UTC+1 :P
[09:09] <head_victim> gilir: cheers so in 5 hours and then again in 7 hours.
[09:09] <gilir> yes :)
[09:10]  * gilir is on stress mode :p
[09:10] <head_victim> Might be able to stay up, can' tbe 100% sure, I've been a bit sick the last week.
[09:10] <head_victim> Hah don't stress mate, I'm sure it will go great. Nice to try and get others to help out :)
[09:10] <gilir> head_victim: be sure to add comments to the etherpad if you can't be at the session
[09:11] <head_victim> Yeah I just tried the links and I get an oops off launchpad
[09:12] <gilir> which link ?
[09:13] <head_victim> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lubuntu-integrate-ubuntu-ecosystem
[09:13] <head_victim> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-o-clean-lubuntu
[09:13] <gilir> arf, old links, I'll update them
[09:13] <gilir> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-o-integrate-ubuntu-ecosystem
[09:13] <gilir> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-o-clean
[09:13] <head_victim> Ahh that's right
[09:14] <head_victim> I can't add much to the second one. My coding skills and knowledge = 0
[09:33] <MK`> bioterror I didn't say I wasn't going to use it :(
[09:33] <MK`> head_victim: can you seed natty beta 2 please :O it's stuck
[09:34] <head_victim> MK`: It is but there are people gaming at the moment on the network so it's kinda slow
[09:34] <MK`> ok
[09:34] <MK`> I see no peers is all...hm
[09:35] <head_victim> Hmmm odd.
[09:35] <head_victim> My pc just sits there seeding all those links I gave you.
[09:36] <MK`> May be hitting my filter, I'll check it out
[09:36] <bioterror> MK`, you have port forward?
[09:36] <bioterror> are you connected?! :D
[09:36] <MK`> All the other torrents work :P
[09:43] <MK`> can you Pm me the IP so I can add the peer manually head_victim? For some reason I'm not getting it
[09:45] <head_victim> Just looking for it
[09:45] <head_victim> I could give you the lan ip but a 172.16 isn't going to get you far ;)
[09:45] <MK`> :P
[09:47] <bioterror> hahaha
[10:38] <UndiFineD> gilir, hardly any packages are showing for me: https://translations.launchpad.net/projects/+index?text=lxde
[10:40] <gilir> UndiFineD: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations and http://pootle.lxde.bsnet.se/
[11:31] <txolo> hi jmarsden
[11:31] <txolo> i have some feedback
[11:31] <txolo> on the perl-modules issue
[11:32] <txolo> it seems that the file is corrupt when downloaded from multiple sites across 3 computers (so i assumed a proxy issue)
[11:32] <txolo> but when i download it via virtualbox
[11:32] <txolo> (from lubuntu)
[11:32] <txolo> then it's fine
[11:32] <txolo> odd, huh?
[11:32] <txolo> (sorry i missed you scp date)
[11:32] <txolo> (kids)
[12:20] <andygraybeal> hi hi; what voip/sip client do you guys recommend?
[12:22] <andygraybeal> why did yuo choose chrome over firefox?
[12:28] <MrChrisDruif> andygraybeal; About voip/sip I'm not sure, but I think Skype would work. Otherwise something like Egika can work. It depends on what your friends use!
[12:29] <andygraybeal> egika is gnome?
[12:29] <andygraybeal> i just want something to work like a soft phone, that's all - but without the gnome overhead
[12:29] <MrChrisDruif> And chromium because it is better at memory management I think. Also more screen space for content, which is handy on small screens
[12:30] <MrChrisDruif> andygraybeal; Like I said I wasn't to sure and Egika != Gnome, but will probably use gtk. Which LXDE also uses afaik
[12:32] <andygraybeal> yay!
[12:32] <andygraybeal> wonderufl thank you
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> andygraybeal; here's also a list from 2007 http://www.voipnow.org/2007/04/74_open_source_.html
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome andygraybeal :)
[12:45] <|WiZ|> andygraybeal have you tried InstantBird
[12:51] <andygraybeal> Wiz, i neve rheard of it
[12:51] <WiZ> well now you have :)
[13:25] <andygraybeal> thank you, i'll look it up
[13:38] <WiZ> yw
[13:57] <gilir> session at UDS in 4 minutes : #ubuntu-uds-kazinczy
[14:04] <UndiFineD> :)
[14:36] <head_victim> gilir: you'll have to post a link to the recording if they made one so I can catch up.
[14:36] <head_victim> *later on
[15:00] <head_victim> gilir: nice to see you get to write your own announcement ;)
[15:05] <pcman> hi
[15:07] <head_victim> Gday pcman
[15:10] <gilir> head_victim: I don't think it was recorded
[15:10] <head_victim> gilir: ah k, I came in half way through so got most of it
[15:10] <gilir> hi pcman
[15:15] <pcman> gilir: I tried the new installer cd of 11.04.
[15:15] <pcman> gilir: looks nice, but it's very slow on my old PC.
[15:16] <pcman> gilir: 2~3 times slower than 10.04 installer.
[15:16] <gilir> pcman: yes, it's not really optimized for old computers
[15:16] <pcman> gilir: It takes more than 1 hour for me to get lubuntu installed, the time required to install windows xp.
[15:17] <pcman> gilir: I'm not sure what's wrong, but the old installer is quite fast.
[15:17] <gilir> pcman: hopefully, we shoudl have a text installer for 11.10, probably better
[15:17] <Guest75799> Hi everyone, I am looking for some help with Lubuntu, for some strange reason, I cannot change language
[15:18] <Guest75799> anyone?
[15:18] <kosaidpo> hello
[15:19] <Guest75799> Hi, I am looking for some urgent help with Lubuntu) I can't change language in 11.04
[15:19] <Guest75799> google doesn't help this time
[15:20] <kosaidpo> Guest75799: u go in the lubuntu icon in the sytem tool u ll find the thing to change u lang
[15:21] <Guest75799> I know, I've done it many times on regular Ubuntu, but it doesn't work
[15:22] <kosaidpo> Guest75799: ohh so you want to change it to eng ?? o wht
[15:23] <Guest75799> I did clean install, choosed eng, then after installed additional languages, created another user (even gave this user admin status), log in, then tried to change lang, not working
[15:24] <Guest75799> I created another user, even did - Apply system wide, doesn't work
[15:24] <Guest75799> It's lighter then xubuntu, but language support important for me ( I don't really want to go back to xubuntu
[15:24] <kosaidpo> Guest75799:
[15:25] <kosaidpo> check this i hop it helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205597
[15:27] <Guest75799> Any other way?
[15:29] <kosaidpo> Guest75799: why it didnt work ??
[15:29] <kosaidpo> wht does it output when u try the gui thingy ?
[15:30] <Guest75799> I need to fix, so it would work normal gui way. It's important
[15:30] <kosaidpo> yeh true
[15:31] <kosaidpo> Guest75799: wht does it say when u use it you kno the error msges are important
[15:31] <cjohnston> is anyone at uds who has a lubuntu cd
[15:31] <Guest75799> that's the thing. there is no errors. system is totally english
[15:32] <kosaidpo> --hang on
[15:33] <Guest75799> I will try to install once again with other lang in vmware and see
[15:34] <kosaidpo> Guest75799: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:34] <Guest75799> ok, but what is it?
[15:35] <kosaidpo> it configure packages that are not well configured
[15:35] <Guest75799> ok, thanks, will try it now
[15:36] <Guest75799> ok, done
[15:36] <kosaidpo> so now try
[15:36] <Guest75799> then I should try
[15:36] <Guest75799> ok, be back soon
[15:36] <jmarsden> cjohnston: gilir is at UDS and has Lubuntu CDs I am fairly sure :)
[15:36] <kosaidpo> to see if thers a changes btw u have to select the lang uwanna use so ucan download ir
[15:37] <cjohnston> jmarsden: he said he doesnt :-(
[15:37] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: hey
[15:37] <jmarsden> Hi kosaidpo
[15:37] <kosaidpo> cjohnston: i have a live usb why u ask ?
[15:37] <gilir> jmarsden: unfortunalty no :(
[15:37] <jmarsden> gilir: You should hand them out as promotional tools :)
[15:38] <cjohnston> kosaidpo: I've been having issues with my system and debating switching to lubuntu while im here
[15:38] <gilir> jmarsden: I know, it's a shame for me :-/
[15:38] <jmarsden> cjohnston: You can download the ISO image to a usb stick and install from that... right?
[15:38] <cjohnston> I don't have a usb stick either of course :-P
[15:39] <kosaidpo> cjohnston: i guess ucan do it by bootin from a partition of ur hdd
[15:39] <kosaidpo> jst find a tguid abt
[15:40] <kosaidpo> cjohnston: jst google it
[15:40] <cjohnston> ok
[15:41] <kosaidpo> cjohnston: u on lubuntu live now ??
[15:41] <cjohnston> kosaidpo: no
[15:42] <test__> kosaidpo, unfortunately the same stuff
[15:42] <kosaidpo> cjohnston: so good luck
[15:43] <cjohnston> lol
[15:43] <cjohnston> ty
[15:43] <kosaidpo> test__: so im sorry icant help you can ask tho thers some cool peole in the room that will help u
[15:44] <test__> well, nobody answering :(
[15:44] <jmarsden> test__: I need to be remotely in another UDS session in 15 mins, but until then... what is the issue you are having when booting from an Lubuntu 11.04 LiveCD?
[15:45] <test__> I have in issue with installed Lubuntu
[15:45] <test__> I can't change system language
[15:45] <test__> 11.04
[15:45] <test__> fresh install
[15:45] <jmarsden> Oh, OK... I can test that in a VM here, let me play and see if I can duplicate the issue.
[15:45] <test__> please, that would be great
[15:46] <test__> I am also installing now in Russian to check if I can switch to english
[15:47] <jmarsden> I'm adding French to a US English Lubuntu 11.04 install... I do speak a very little Russian, but not enough to use Lubuntu in Russian :)
[15:48] <test__> I am Russian in Poland) So I need also Polish)
[15:50] <jmarsden> test__: French seems to have worked for me; after installing it I rebooted and then selected fr_FR in the lxdm screen and logged in, and my menus are now in Francais :)
[15:51] <kosaidpo> test__: i guess you dont dl the pack lang first
[15:51] <jmarsden> test__: Your issue might be that a language you need has incomplete translation, or you don't have it installed?
[15:52] <jmarsden> test__: In the start -> system tools -> languages applet, does the language you care about show up in the list of installed languages?
[15:54] <jmarsden> One slightly odd UI issue with the language applet for me is that I think you need to manually check the little check boxes down the bottom when adding a language, that is not exactly obvious, I'd think it would make sense for at least the "translation" one to be checked by default when adding a new language :)
[15:54] <kosaidpo> yeh i doubt that
[16:45] <jmarsden> test__: Did you check whether you have the appropriate language(s) installed?
[16:49] <test__> Sorry, I was away, at work place now
[16:49] <test__> I am gonna check again, and be back
[16:50] <jmarsden> OK, I need to go to work too... I'll leave my IRC client logging this channel though.
[20:21] <quint> so my power button does nothing, any suggestions?
[20:22] <bioterror> what it should do?
[20:39] <quint> how can i make my power button turn off my computer
[20:40] <bioterror> have you checked gnome-power-manager?
[20:40] <bioterror> you have that installed
[20:40] <quint> ohh no i don't
[20:40] <bioterror> there should be what to do when power button is pressed
[20:40] <quint> thanks :)
[20:41] <Lostmonk> Shalom
[20:57] <bioterror> seems like quint got it working :D
[22:03] <jgould> Has anyone able to add folders to Ubuntu One from within Lubuntu?  I'm trying but can't figure out how to do so, exactly.
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not on Lubuntu atm, nor did I set up Ubuntu One yet on it
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> jgould; ^
[22:07] <jgould> I'll keep fooling with it.  I may be able to figure it out. I really like LXDE though...
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[22:08] <MrChrisDruif> There are really certain things I like about LXDE, I already figured out how to set on which desktop to go after booting/logging in
[22:12] <laCAN> anyone know what "Bareword "history" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1." means when trying to execute "rename history.ivs temp1102383.non" ?
[22:28] <Unit193> laCAN: I rename files using mv (So it would be: mv history.ivs temp1102383.non )
[22:28] <laCAN> yes figured that out :p but ty
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> I'm offline, see y'all tomorrow :) Aloha!