[08:55] <AlanBell> the accessibility team community session has been relocated to Ond room at 17:05
[09:05] <UndiFineD> ok
[10:12] <charlie-tca> Accessibility session for the community is scheduled for 17:00 today in #ubuntu-uds-ond
[10:28] <hajour> AlanBell, i have talked to some people also from canonical who are from touchscreen
[10:28] <AlanBell> ok, great, who?
[10:28] <hajour> and ask to let it be useble n smartboards
[10:28] <AlanBell> utouch people?
[10:28] <hajour> together with speechprogram
[10:28] <hajour> yes
[10:29] <hajour> so i have named edubuntu as possible program to be usble for AlanBell 
[10:29] <hajour> they want to know or it is possible that edubuntu can support smartboards 
[10:29] <AlanBell> hmm, more of a project than a program
[10:30] <AlanBell> anyhow I have to go collect kids o/
[10:30] <hajour> :)
[10:30] <hajour> but i not know or i may ad onthe etherpad to ask
[10:31] <hajour> or when i can ask/tell it
[10:34] <Cheri703> hajour: copy this and paste it here in irc: /join #ubuntu-uds-kond
[10:34] <Cheri703> that will let you join the chat room for this room we are in
[10:35] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD/UDS-O#preview
[10:42] <hajour> thanks Cheri703 :)
[10:42] <Cheri703> sure
[10:44] <Cheri703> they said edubuntu can support smartboards
[10:58] <UndiFineD> cool
[10:59] <UndiFineD> coming up
[10:59] <UndiFineD> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-dx-o-unity-a11y/
[10:59] <UndiFineD> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-unity-a11y
[11:00] <UndiFineD> huba 15
[11:00] <UndiFineD> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/huba.ogg.xspf
[11:00] <Cheri703> when is that one UndiFineD ?
[11:00] <Cheri703> is that the desktop testing?
[11:00] <UndiFineD> now
[11:01] <Cheri703> bah, there are like 3 this session and 3 next session that I want to be in -_- I am in another because it is a continuation of one from yesterday
[11:01] <Cheri703> take good notes :)
[11:03] <Cheri703> there are so many conflicting sessions :(
[11:03] <UndiFineD> hey what happened
[11:03] <Cheri703> ?
[11:03] <UndiFineD> they rescheduled
[11:04] <Cheri703> oh, ok, cool
[11:07] <Cheri703> the schedule is CONSTANTLY changing, it is frustrating. today there are several that conflict for me
[11:33] <AlanBell> got an accessibility mention in the plan for unity testing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-dx-o-unity-testing/
[11:34] <Cheri703> AlanBell: we want you in #ubuntu-uds-tohotom
[11:34] <Cheri703> :)
[12:47] <TheMuso> Yeah scheduling is a bit rediculous.
[13:36] <hajour> AlanBell, i got the name for you from the person from the touch program .his name is chase douglas
[13:36] <AlanBell> great
[13:37] <hajour> got a mailadress to AlanBell 
[13:37] <hajour> but i not go put that in chat here
[13:38] <hajour> if i am home i will let UndiFineD send it to you
[13:38] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[13:38] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~chasedouglas
[13:38] <AlanBell> it is on his launchpad page anyway
[13:38] <hajour> ok :)
[13:39] <hajour> i never now i rather not put mail adresses in chat AlanBell 
[13:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[13:39] <hajour> so i hope to can do more this week
[13:40] <hajour> i discovered why i cant read the name tags by the doors
[13:40] <AlanBell> yeah, best not to post email addresses, but most people have them on their launchpad page anyway
[13:41] <hajour> its because the color combination what is used
[13:41] <hajour> because i can read the name on the name cards what is the white fonts on orange
[13:43] <hajour> i hope i will be worth the sponsoring
[13:49] <TheMuso> So who here is going to attend the kubuntu accessibility session this afternoon?
[13:51] <Pendulum> I know maco is going to be there remotely
[13:51] <Pendulum> I unfortunately am about to not have internet
[13:51] <Pendulum> until sometime late tomorrow
[13:52] <Pendulum> I think Cheri703 might be as well
[13:53] <Cheri703> I'm going to be there (as far as I know)
[13:55] <hajour> i will be there TheMuso 
[13:56] <hajour> are you there to TheMuso ?
[14:03] <UndiFineD> I am doubly booked at that time for the only session of interest for Ubuntu Adverts
[14:20] <AlanBell> they have just cut all the track leads permissions to reschedule stuff :)
[14:27] <Cheri703> Any suggestions of books/sites for accessibility in User experience design?
[14:28] <Cheri703> I'm in the session about that, and mentioned it, so they're asking for resources
[14:35] <hajour> do i go to there Cheri703 ?
[14:36] <Cheri703> well, they've sort of moved on from it now :)
[14:36] <hajour> i can come if it will be helpfull
[14:36] <Cheri703> nah, we found some stuff, no worries :)
[14:36] <hajour> they also may talk to me later if they want Cheri703 
[14:36] <Cheri703> ok, I will let them know
[14:36] <hajour> i am whole week here
[14:37] <hajour> Cheri703, after the accessibility meeting this afternoon can you help with look what is useful from sessions to go to for me?
[14:39] <Cheri703> the kde/qt accessibility is next hour in room 11 kazinczy, the other accessibility session is at 5 in room 19 Ond. I will look at the list for tomorrow and see if I have any thoughts
[14:42] <AlanBell> hajour: in general the pink ones are good to go to
[14:50] <hajour> ok Cheri703 thanks:)
[14:50] <hajour> ok AlanBell  also thanks :)
[15:52] <AlanBell> I will be in the community session later, I have to pop out and get a replacement goldfish!
[15:52] <Cheri703> heh, have fun!
[17:38] <AlanBell> great, got two replacement fish, and one died before it even got released out of the bag
[17:45] <AlanBell> I am delighted at the list of people for the invisible exhibition
[17:47] <AlanBell> pleia2: a photo of everyone outside it would be great (no photos inside obviously)
[17:48] <pleia2> AlanBell: good idea :) Ill see what I can do
[17:49] <AlanBell> thanks
[19:26] <maco> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IMMD/~3/N8olF_UI5Ek/
[19:32] <Daniel0108> hey
[19:34] <maco> hello
[21:56] <hajour> hi all
[21:56] <hajour> they go look at the idea from audio mail but it maybe will become also video mail to
[21:57] <AlanBell> gah, listening to the audio of the a11y session, I should have made the start of it!
[21:58] <AlanBell> TheMuso: so the story with the keyboards is I made onboard look somewhat prettier with the goal of getting the design team excited about it (which kind of worked)
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[21:58] <hajour> also i found someone who can solve the algoritme problem so that means it not will take 10 minutes anymore for openmary go read out loud 10 lines
[21:59] <AlanBell> TheMuso: speaking to the gnome a11y people they initially told me we should be using the "official upstream keyboard" that is part of the gnome platform and is caribou
[21:59] <AlanBell> TheMuso: however on further investigation we couldn't get the thing to compile
[22:00] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; Audio mail?
[22:01] <hajour> yes MrChrisDruif audiomail
[22:01] <hajour> just a idea of me i just had get in accessibility meeting
[22:01] <MrChrisDruif> Meaning? Mail software that reads the email to the user?
[22:02] <AlanBell> TheMuso: I think onboard will be the keyboard in Oneiric, perhaps with other optionsin the repo, but for Oneiric+1 we might reconsider the default keyboard question. I want one that does everything, from scanning to multitouch to odd layouts like steno chording keyboards
[22:02] <hajour> no you just speak your message in and the mail sends audiofile
[22:02] <hajour> they go look to it all opensource mail will go look at it
[22:03] <MrChrisDruif> Scanning?
[22:03] <AlanBell> MrChrisDruif: scanning is where the user has very very limited control, like a switch they can press (Stephen Hawkin uses it)
[22:04] <hajour> no just a button you click on it then you speak in and send it
[22:04] <AlanBell> the keyboard flashes between rows, you press your switch when the row you want flashes, then it flashes the keys of that row and you press when the one you want is highlighted
[22:04] <hajour> just try to think more simple MrChrisDruif :P
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry hajour, that scanning was for AlanBell.
[22:04] <hajour> a ok sorry XD
[22:04] <AlanBell> really slow way of entering data, but if all you have is a switch then that is how it works
[22:04] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; But what are we doing with Speechcontrol then? :-/
[22:04]  * MrChrisDruif is confused
[22:05] <hajour> its needed for websites to read MrChrisDruif 
[22:06] <AlanBell> hajour: orca does that
[22:06] <AlanBell> I think TheMuso's suggestion of documenting the Ubuntu architecture for accessibility is a great one
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> I thought SpeechControl would do what it's name implies; Control (the computer) by Speech
[22:06] <hajour> its not very difficult we are able to use natural voice i also found someone who maybe can solve orca s problem with the haspering
[22:07] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[22:07] <AlanBell> I don't know what haspering means
[22:07] <Daniel0108> hajour: we can just use our SpeechControl daemon as an orca speech-synthesizer 
[22:07] <AlanBell> it doesn't seem to be a word in Dutch or English :)
[22:07] <Daniel0108> *could
[22:08] <AlanBell> Daniel0108: orca feeds what it reads into speech dispatcher
[22:08] <hajour> stotter
[22:08] <hajour> ^netherlands
[22:08] <AlanBell> speech dispatcher is a common interface to multiple synthesis back ends
[22:09] <AlanBell> espeak is a synth, it comes on the CD it is small and works well at high speed
[22:09] <hajour> AlanBell,  do not so hard plz i not only have suggest espeak also orca
[22:09] <hajour> they just can choose there self what works for them the best
[22:09] <AlanBell> there are other synthesisers such as festival, openmary etc
[22:10] <AlanBell> also hardware voice synthesiser devices
[22:10] <hajour> AlanBell,  they go use openmary
[22:10] <AlanBell> all can be fed stuff to say through speech dispatcher
[22:10] <hajour> combined with a speechprogram
[22:10] <hajour> by using libopenmary
[22:11] <hajour> just let them help
[22:11] <hajour> they are from canonical
[22:11] <AlanBell> so yes, OpenMary is great, has lovely realistic voices, but it is a back end to speech dispatcher
[22:11] <hajour> its not important what will be used its important the end goal that it works
[22:11] <AlanBell> I thought libopenmary was supposed to be a speech dispatcher driver for the openmary back end
[22:12] <hajour> yes
[22:12] <AlanBell> it isn't
[22:12] <hajour> and i found help to solve the algoritme problem AlanBell 
[22:12] <hajour> it works by Daniel0108 
[22:13] <hajour> i have heard it here by uds
[22:13] <Daniel0108> yes
[22:13] <Daniel0108> even emospeak works
[22:13] <hajour> AlanBell,  just be happy we all together are busy to succeed
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> stammer
[22:13] <AlanBell> I am happy :)
[22:13] <hajour> you have done also important work AlanBell 
[22:14] <AlanBell> what is emospeak Daniel0108?
[22:14] <hajour> and also TheMuso 
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> Or in this case stammering
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; ^
[22:14] <Daniel0108> AlanBell: Emotional Speech, for example: you set the voice excited and it talks excited
[22:14] <Daniel0108> or bored
[22:14] <AlanBell> oh yeah
[22:14] <hajour> a ok i found someone who can help to solve the stammering problem
[22:14] <hajour> he is from canonical
[22:15] <AlanBell> is the stammering issue just with your laptop?
[22:15] <hajour> i speek to him again later this week
[22:15] <hajour> no by more people AlanBell 
[22:15] <AlanBell> Daniel0108: http://cvs.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd/speech-dispatcher.html
[22:16] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; by = with
[22:16] <hajour> a ok thank you MrChrisDruif 
[22:16] <Daniel0108> hajour: the only disadvantage of  openMary is that it's SLOW
[22:16] <hajour> we making accessibility progress or am i not right?
[22:16] <AlanBell> Daniel0108: yeah, it can be, but that is because I have used a generic driver
[22:16] <AlanBell> Daniel0108: did you try the generic driver and my server?
[22:16] <hajour> yes but i also was looking for help for orca not only for that Daniel0108 
[22:17] <Daniel0108> hajour: okay
[22:17] <Daniel0108> AlanBell: you have to ask hajour about her idea :) I'm just a programmer, I do what she wants me to do :P
[22:17] <hajour> i try to do whatever i can for accessibility
[22:17] <hajour> lol
[22:18] <hajour> if AlanBell  have a good idea always listen to ideas
[22:19] <hajour> after you always can decided or you go use it
[22:19] <AlanBell> so doing the generic driver for openmary was just a proof of concept really
[22:20] <AlanBell> so you can try using orca and openmary to read the screen, read websites, do everything you can already do with orca and espeak but with the openmary voices
[22:20] <hajour> i am a little tired i not even have eaten i not have seen a cook and there was no food i could eat
[22:20] <hajour> AlanBell,  we use espeak
[22:21] <hajour> but its needed to can used also very good by orca
[22:21] <hajour> like i said it need to be multifunctional
[22:21] <AlanBell> go find some food hajour :)
[22:21] <hajour> cant i got foodalergic
[22:21] <hajour> i can eat out side the hotel
[22:21] <Daniel0108> hajour: I think he means that HE is going to find some food :P
[22:22] <hajour> and in hotel its very expensive
[22:22] <Daniel0108> oh lol sorry
[22:22] <Daniel0108> didn't read the lines before that :P
[22:22] <hajour> ubuntu thing where was eaten is already over
[22:22] <Daniel0108> hajour: soo.. I programmed the library, but not openMary. Who programmed openMary? o.O
[22:23] <hajour> dont ask me to thibnk hard on this moment i not able to think hard anymore now
[22:23] <hajour> think i mean
[22:23] <AlanBell> Daniel0108: Das Deutsche Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz
[22:24] <AlanBell> http://mary.dfki.de/
[22:25] <hajour> 1 of the persons said to me it was good i had some health issues because else i would be to inteligent and they not would understand me anymore .ye right
[22:25] <hajour> i know it was mend for a joke
[22:25] <hajour> meant
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[22:26] <hajour> but AlanBell  i hope i was usefull
[22:26] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; are* ;) You are useful
[22:26] <hajour> what is more needed to do AlanBell ?
[22:27] <AlanBell> yeah, we need to think about things differently
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> Fix bug #1 while your at it hajour :)
[22:27] <ubot2> MrChrisDruif: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[22:27] <AlanBell> hajour: go and get food, there is no food on IRC
[22:27] <hajour> AlanBell,  there also is no food here for me
[22:28] <hajour> if i order on a moment what is not in a event i need to pay self my diner
[22:28] <AlanBell> get something on room service or go find a supermarket
[22:28] <hajour> its to expensive here in the hotel
[22:28] <AlanBell> no you don't
[22:28] <AlanBell> just put it on the room
[22:29] <hajour> yes i am marianne told me that very clear
[22:29] <AlanBell> ok, fair enough
[22:29] <Daniel0108> Bug #1 definitely HAS to be fixed!
[22:29] <AlanBell> but there is a per diem you get to claim back
[22:29] <hajour> but i cant eat food here out the supermarket i got food alergic AlanBell 
[22:30] <hajour> busy with it Daniel0108 
[22:30]  * AlanBell has no further suggestions
[22:30] <hajour> i know AlanBell 
[22:30] <Daniel0108> hajour: everyone is busy with bug #1 :)
[22:30] <ubot2> Daniel0108: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Daniel0108; It sounded you didn't know about bug #1?
[22:30] <ubot2> MrChrisDruif: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[22:30] <hajour> it would be better if next time something like this would be kept in a cheaper hotel
[22:30] <Daniel0108> MrChrisDruif: I knew about it :P
[22:31] <Daniel0108> MrChrisDruif: I already posted it on twitter a few months ago :P
[22:31] <hajour> btw i have told several people to go to accesibilty team
[22:32] <hajour> 1 from kde really need help for to get the magnifier to get working AlanBell 
[22:33] <AlanBell> ok, that is good, but I am not too focussed on kde
[22:33] <hajour> tomorrow we go talk further what more he need help with for the accessibility part AlanBell 
[22:33] <AlanBell> I do want to get the text following added to the compiz ezoom plugin
[22:33] <hajour> we need to get accessibility on all programs AlanBell 
[22:34] <hajour> so they ask help with that
[22:34] <AlanBell> I know how the gnome magnifier linked to orca works, I read the source code for that
[22:34] <hajour> it seams its accessibility team task to offer that help AlanBell 
[22:34] <AlanBell> I can do the same for the ezoom plugin
[22:34] <hajour> great
[22:35] <hajour> i have said in accessibility team we have people with all kind of skills so big chance to solve problems with that in here
[22:36] <hajour> problems like that
[22:36] <hajour> i would like to see some from the city also
[22:37] <hajour> but i cant go alone i go get lost because my memory problem
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> I'll see if I can make it next time, maybe we could go together then hajour 
[22:38] <Daniel0108> bye now :)
[22:38] <Daniel0108> see ya tomorrow :P
[22:38] <Daniel0108> hajour: ^
[22:38] <hajour> ok Daniel0108  see you tomor
[22:39] <hajour> tomorrow and goodnight Daniel0108 
[22:39] <Daniel0108> good night
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well Daniel0108 
[22:39] <hajour> they say i speak very good english now .the people here
[22:40] <hajour> for the short time i do speak it
[22:41] <hajour> was i understandably AlanBell  on the session?
[22:41] <MrChrisDruif> For the short time you speak it, I have no doubt...
[22:41] <MrChrisDruif> I didn't hear you....I thought once I heard you hajour :P
[22:41] <hajour> jmarsden heard me he said in chat
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> Were you in the room where the next session was going about Lubuntu cleanup etc?
[22:42] <hajour> only i often are sitting far from the mic
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> I heard gilir speak...classic example of a France accent :P
[22:43] <hajour> i was by edubuntu and kde 
[22:44] <hajour> i not new from lubuntu sorry
[22:45] <hajour> i am all day be busy with talking to people
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> Glad to hear your enjoying yourself hajour :)
[22:46] <hajour> from 8:00 morning till 11:00
[22:46] <hajour> so it was a long day
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> 3 hours?
[22:47] <hajour> sorry i meant 23:00
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[22:47] <hajour> make that 15
[22:47] <MrChrisDruif> 8:00 AM to 11:00 PM would also work
[22:48] <hajour> i always forget where am and pm are stand for
[22:48] <hajour> i mix them up
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know what they start for, but I know when to use which :)
[22:50] <MrChrisDruif> Before noon (midday) you use AM, after that use PM
[22:50] <hajour> i try to remember it but till now i was not able to remember it
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> AM = latin for Ante Meridiem and PM = Post Meridiem. First means before noon, and second after noon
[22:51] <hajour> i think UndiFineD  is sleeping now
[22:51] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, he'll read it in the morning :)
[22:52] <hajour> if we not talk to much he will he cant scroll back so far
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Was there something he should have seen in this channel?
[22:58] <AlanBell> someone in the session asked about names on the etherpad and the colours
[22:58] <AlanBell> anyone remember who that was?
[22:59] <Cheri703> I did
[22:59] <Cheri703> I asked undifined if he was typing stuff
[22:59] <hajour> i not remember honest say
[22:59] <Cheri703> hajour: does UndiFineD not have logs?
[22:59] <hajour> yes 
[22:59] <AlanBell> male, southern US accent perhaps
[22:59] <AlanBell> anyhow the point was that after everyone has logged out you can't see the names to tie to the colours
[22:59] <Cheri703> (so we don't have to worry about how much we type for the scrollback, he can just check logs)
[22:59] <hajour> but i know talk in my loco team :)
[23:00] <AlanBell> however you can in the time slider (which is hard to get to right now)
[23:00] <hajour> to inform them
[23:00] <Cheri703> ah, that may have been charlie?
[23:00] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[23:00] <Cheri703> good to know
[23:01] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-o-community-o-accessibility-team/latest for example
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> A bit of a etherpad fail
[23:01] <AlanBell> what is?
[23:02] <AlanBell> it is only hard to get to because I hid it :)
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; That you can't see who edited what AFTER everyone left :)
[23:04] <AlanBell> well you can, that is what the time slider does
[23:06]  * AlanBell claps at TheMuso plan for getting to accessibility profiles from ubiquity
[23:08] <MrChrisDruif> Accessibility profiles from ubiquity? :-/
[23:08] <AlanBell> I am listening to the session
[23:08] <AlanBell> 42 minutes in
[23:11] <AlanBell> TheMuso: could the absence of a keyboard device pop up the onboard keyboard?
[23:11] <hajour> sorry to tired to go to a session more today
[23:11] <AlanBell> kind of like udev backwards!
[23:12] <AlanBell> I am listening to the audio recording of the session this afternoon
[23:12] <hajour> o ok sorry
[23:13] <AlanBell> is it charlietca perhaps?
[23:15] <hajour> was it by kde?
[23:15] <hajour> because i talked also there
[23:17] <AlanBell> TheMuso: I was talking to joanie about writing an intro to orca article
[23:18] <AlanBell> TheMuso: she is rather focussed on people who already have screenreader skills so this would address those who don't
[23:18] <AlanBell> TheMuso: such as sighted application developers
[23:24] <hajour> goodnight all
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> I'm offline, see y'all tomorrow :) Aloha!