[02:46] <head_victim> Anyone with any suggestions for an RSS reader?
[03:08] <gorilla> head_victim: firefox :-)
[03:12] <head_victim> See I'm new to all this stuff, is it worth just setting it up with my gmail account?
[03:12] <head_victim> I'm so far behind the curve with all this web stuff it's not funny
[03:12] <head_victim> Next thing you know I'll have a social media account or something
[03:51] <valorin> head_victim, I use Feedly as an RSS reader. It uses Google Reader to do the actual RSS collection, but they have an extension for Firefox (and others, including android and iPhone) for displaying and browsing the feeds. http://www.feedly.com/
[03:52] <valorin> If you consume lots of feeds daily, which I do, then something like Feedly is the way to go.
[03:53] <valorin> There are plenty around, so it really depends what sort of interface you find useful. There are desktop application readers too, but if you use multiple machines, these aren't great.
[03:54] <head_victim> I would like it to work on my android as well so I'll look in to that one
[03:55] <head_victim> Although it's saying it can't find it in the markety
[03:55] <valorin> Really?
[03:55] <valorin> odd
[03:55] <valorin> let me check here
[03:56] <valorin> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.devhd.feedly
[03:56] <valorin> If you've got your account setup, you can install directly from there
[03:58] <head_victim> hmm I open it with the market and it's not found, use the browser and it lets me
[03:59] <valorin> That is weird
[03:59] <valorin> Who is your phone with?
[04:00] <head_victim> Telstra, motorola defy
[04:00] <valorin> I believe some carriers have restrictions, although I don't know why it would reject feedly
[04:00] <valorin> Maybe it's android version support?
[04:00] <valorin> cos I'm a Telstra Desire
[04:01] <head_victim> Stock 2.1
[04:01] <valorin> Ah, it requires Android 2.2
[04:02] <head_victim> That'd do it, apparently July is when I can expect that
[04:03] <valorin> Ah ok. You could try the dedicated Google Reader application and not use Feedly. I've heard good things about it too, although I've never used it.
[04:03] <valorin> I used Google Reader many years ago, it was good then, but I have no clue what it's like now
[04:04] <head_victim> Cool I was going to try a few things here and there just trying to get some feedback to steer me in the right direction
[04:05] <valorin> :)
[04:05] <valorin> Well, good luck in your search :)
[04:13] <head_victim> Cheers for the pointers.
[04:14] <head_victim> What I'm finding that most people go "oh you really need 2.2 for x feature" motorola have already backported anyway
[04:14] <head_victim> Loving swype.
[04:15] <valorin> Swype? *goes to look for it*
[04:15] <valorin> Yeah, the waiting-for-upgrades really sucks
[04:15] <head_victim> It's a keyboard text prediction I guess.  You never take your finger off the keyboard you just move it around.
[04:15] <valorin> Ah
[04:16] <valorin> Now I can't find it in my the market
[04:16] <head_victim> I thought it was gimicky at first but can't live without it now, my fingers are too fat to use anything else.
[04:17] <valorin> Ah cool, I think I remember hearing about that a while ago.
[04:17] <valorin> I just found their website, and am signing up for the beta :D
[04:18] <head_victim> Hah came standard on my phone. It's a must for big fingered oafs like me
[04:19] <valorin> ah, lol
[04:19] <head_victim> I was truly worried about my typing on the on screen keyboard
[04:19] <valorin> My wife hates using my phone, cos of her fingernails, so it might work for her too
[04:20] <valorin> I came from many years of using PalmOS with a stylus, so having to use fingers directly on the screen was really hard to learn
[04:21] <head_victim> I just upgraded from a nokia e51 - 12 button standard phone
[04:22] <valorin> ah the good ol' days of phones which only had one main function
[04:23] <head_victim> The only thing it didn't do for me well was web browsing. It did all my contact and calendar stuff well, sync'd via bluetooth to the PC (even on Ubuntu!)
[04:23] <valorin> Nice
[04:24] <head_victim> In that regard it's better than this android.
[04:24] <head_victim> I'm having to use ical and vcards as a backup solution instead
[04:26] <valorin> I use google apps, so it's always synced for me :) but yeah, that's one of the downsides of android and the "cloud"
[04:27] <valorin> for the record, I hate the term "cloud"... so stupid
[04:27] <head_victim> Yeah, not a fan of the "cloud" for personal stuff. Most of my emails are publically logged anyway so I don't care about that but the names, addresses, appointments, etc I do still seem to care about
[04:27] <head_victim> Well I haven't slept in 24 hours so I might go for a nap so I make a tiny bit of sense tonight for the meeting
[04:28] <valorin> Ok. I've got band, as usual, so I won't be there tonight.
[04:29] <head_victim> No worries, feel free to check out the agenda though and contribute via the mailing list, it's just a valid a way to communicate as the meeting
[04:29] <valorin> Yep, will do
[04:30] <head_victim> Cheerio, I'll be back in time for the meeting :)
[08:56] <head_victim> Evening Octatron 
[08:58] <Octatron> Salutations head_victim how goes it this chilly evening?
[08:58] <head_victim> Still getting over the flu but have had some sleep so feeling half human.
[08:59] <Octatron> sleep helps, I've just sussed out something interesting on usb modems
[09:00] <Octatron> on two different models of modem you can put in the correct settings and they will refuse to connect.. until you move them to another usb slot.. then they work werid huh?
[09:01] <Octatron> how much sleep are you getting a night?
[09:01] <head_victim> Add the info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation if it helps someone
[09:01] <head_victim> I'm a shiftworker, it varies.
[09:02] <Octatron> an adult can get by on an average of 6 hours a night .. 8 hours is recommended and 4 hours can be ok but only if it's done once a week
[09:02] <head_victim> Yep, some nights it's 0 other nights it's 14.
[09:04] <Octatron> lack of sleep can effect your emotions and fitness as well apparently, we burn more fat asleep then awake doing nothing.  I'll pop that little tip up 
[09:06] <head_victim> Hah yeah I've noticed
[09:09] <Octatron> When is this irc meeting to start?
[09:10] <head_victim> 8pm
[09:12] <Octatron> cool I'll bring jacket and hot cocoa :P
[09:14] <Octatron> um how does one submit stuff to the wirelessbroadband wiki?
[09:17] <head_victim> Do you have a launchpad login?
[09:17] <head_victim> If so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WikiHowTo has a couple of pointers
[09:23] <Octatron> rightio I'll check it out thanks
[09:24] <head_victim> No worries, let me know if anything isn't clear (I wrote the howto page ;) )
[09:26] <Octatron> rolled your own.. it's the linux way.. :)
[09:27] <head_victim> Yeah there were heaps of guides out there but none that actually got down as far as "press the edit button" which to me if someone hasn't used it before isn't always as obvious as you think it might be
[09:29] <head_victim> Wikis are the one thing I feel kinda comfortable using
[09:33] <Octatron> I've never actually used them before, I'm use to trawling the interweb for answers for hours on end 
[09:34] <head_victim> Hah how do you think I learnt how to wiki :) 
[09:35] <head_victim> I cut my teeth reorganising the ubuntu-au space
[09:35] <Octatron> ahh cool well it's needed isps have all the documentation in the world for mac and windoze and nothing on linux
[09:36] <head_victim> Yeah it was a common question in here at the time so I just started that one up and got everyone else to add the content ;)
[09:38] <Octatron> check out this little tit bit I found for telstra http://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17143
[09:39] <gorilla> evening all.
[09:39] <head_victim> Yeah the hardest thing I've had to set up has been a home network gateway from telstra, needed to plug it into a windows computer to activate it (could have called them up instead but I was lazy and the wife's laptop was just there)
[09:39] <head_victim> Evening gorilla 
[09:42] <Octatron> yeah I've noticed you need to activate on a windows pc first, which is what leads me to the next gripe.. virtualbox 4 usb no longer works to allow me to use it to activate wireless modems 
[09:43] <Octatron> hi gorilla
[09:43] <Octatron> well I've logged into launchpad what next?
[09:45] <head_victim> Octatron: you using the personal use "free" version of the open source one?
[09:46] <Octatron> not sure but I'm on your wiki page and my username is at the top 
[09:47] <head_victim> Octatron: Oh I meant for VB sorry :P
[09:47] <gorilla> VB??
[09:47] <head_victim> So yeah for the wiki stuff that means you're logged in to just go through and follow up the instructions to edit the page
[09:47] <head_victim> gorilla: virtualbox
[09:49] <Octatron> yeah its the "free" version it had usb support before I upgraded it
[09:49] <gorilla> head_victim: Oh.. I initially though Visual Basic.
[09:49] <Octatron> cool I'll try it
[09:49] <head_victim> Octatron: ah k, I use the personal use free one, not the open source one. But I haven't fixed it since I wiped my hdd with installs on it
[09:53] <Octatron> thats the one .. I don't think the open source one offers usb support
[09:54] <Octatron> the new interface is nice shame it's not as functional
[09:56] <head_victim> Hmmm odd I hadn't heard that about it (loosing some USB functions) before
[10:02] <Octatron> you have to install an addional file from the site as well for usb 2.0 support and guest additions have to be installed in safe mode for direct 3d support .. all that done and the usb devices appears greyed out on the virtualbox interface when running the OS
[10:04] <head_victim> Odd, filed a bug?
[10:10] <sagaci> oh, meeting tonight
[10:10] <sagaci> whenzit on
[10:10] <sagaci> kk, half an hour to get home and set up
[10:12] <Octatron> Well I havn't because I thought I've done something wrong .. or havn't done something.. I have to be sure first
[10:13] <head_victim> Octatron: no worries, I'm far from expert on such topics I'm afraid
[10:25] <Octatron> I'm part of the vboxusers group as well so this has me stumped
[10:29] <Octatron> It's either a permissions issue with usb or some werid issue between modeswitch used to change the usb modems modes and virtualbox
[10:31] <Octatron> long story short I cheated and found a pc windows installed on it and activated the usb modems that way
[10:53] <head_victim> Cool
[10:53] <head_victim> So who's starting to gather for the meeting?
[10:58] <head_victim> Evening sagaci 
[10:58] <sagaci> hi
[10:59] <head_victim> Well I think I'll get started with the roll call while people mosey on in.
[10:59] <head_victim> #startmeeting
[10:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:59. The chair is head_victim.
[10:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:59] <head_victim> So if anyone present for the meeting wants to acknowledge their attendance please speak up now
[11:00] <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda
[11:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda 
[11:00] <sagaci> hey yall
[11:01] <head_victim> Well that's one, is dns53  a second?
[11:02] <head_victim> Octatron & gorilla you guys still around?
[11:02] <dns53> a second of what?
[11:02] <head_victim> Person at the meeting, so far it's sagaci and I.
[11:02] <head_victim> Well third then.
[11:03]  * dns53 goes to check the agenda
[11:03] <head_victim> I would have expected Boden here at some stage
[11:03] <head_victim> Might be a quick meeting.
[11:05] <head_victim> Well with this sort of turnout I would have expected some others to throw some ideas around on the mailing list a bit.
[11:06] <sagaci> a quiet one
[11:06] <head_victim> Well I'll run through the agenda while we're here, won't be much but at least it will be recorded for others to read over later.
[11:06] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on RTs
[11:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on RTs 
[11:07] <head_victim> Well I haven't heard much back yet and I was going to do a follow up email but then I realised there was a certain something called the UDS happening soon (right now in fact) so I thought I'd leave it another week or so
[11:07] <head_victim> This is to do with updating the website drupal installion so we can update the theme easily.
[11:08] <head_victim> So once I send for an update I'll forward the response to the mailing list.
[11:08] <head_victim> sagaci: shall we skip to your topic or did you want to postpone until we have more attend or some discussion on the list?
[11:09] <sagaci> postpone i guess
[11:09] <head_victim> Any luck with looking into the Chromium thing?
[11:10] <sagaci> not really, have to get my head around what's required, and then i'll go through with whatever needs to be done
[11:10] <head_victim> Fair enough, maybe email the ubuntu enAU team for support?
[11:11] <dns53> what are you trying to do?
[11:11] <sagaci> isn't the enAU team, essentially, us?
[11:11] <head_victim> Start a launchpad enAU translation team as opposed to a Ubuntu enAU team
[11:12] <head_victim> sagaci: nah there are quite a few others regularly contributing
[11:12] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au is the home team and I run across a few of them when translating
[11:13] <head_victim> We need to make an enAU launchpad team as well if  we want to translate other packages on launchpad (such as chromium) that are in Ubuntu
[11:15] <head_victim> Well other than that the only thing I can really add is a roundup of the release parties, who went to them? Any of them get much in the way of attendence?
[11:16] <dns53>  there where 4 of us in adelaide
[11:17] <head_victim> 6 made it to the Brisbane one
[11:18] <sagaci> click - https://launchpad.net/~en-au
[11:18] <sagaci> not sure if I did it right
[11:19] <head_victim> sagaci: I'll have a look after the meeting if you like.
[11:19] <head_victim> Ok well I guess unless anyone has anything to bring up?
[11:20] <Octatron> Im back sorry
[11:20] <sagaci> don't have anything
[11:21] <dns53> i don't have anything either
[11:21] <head_victim> Octatron: welcome back we're just deciding if to close it up really.
[11:22] <Octatron> close up what sorry?
[11:22] <head_victim> I have a goal in the next week if I'm feeling better to try and do up a contact page like blahdeblah suggested for the website with links to who runs what part of the team (all the social groups, etc)
[11:22] <head_victim> The meeting, only sagaci, dns53 and yourself have shown up
[11:22] <tom_a_sparks> i'm really late
[11:22] <head_victim> Evenign tom_a_sparks late is better than never
[11:23] <head_victim> Octatron or tom_a_sparks did either of you have anything you wanted to discuss at al?
[11:23] <Octatron> Is everyone using the .ical calendar to find out about our meetings?
[11:23] <head_victim> I'm adding it to my phone like I always have.
[11:23] <Octatron> Is communication of meetings the problem with low turnouts?
[11:23] <tom_a_sparks> I just keep forgetting
[11:24] <head_victim> I'm not sure, I was going to send something to the list asking about what we can do to improve attendance but feel free to send something yourself to start the conversation
[11:24] <head_victim> I'm open to all ideas.
[11:24] <dns53> the ical works in gmail
[11:24] <head_victim> dns53: cool
[11:24] <Octatron> we need to make it easy for people to add the ubuntu calendar to google calendars for smart phones and the like maybe?
[11:24] <sagaci> I've got to head off for a while, I guess I'll post my item til next meeting
[11:24] <head_victim> Octatron: dns53 just said it worked
[11:24] <head_victim> sagaci: sorry mate
[11:25] <sagaci> I'll be online later but not within meeting time
[11:25] <dns53> yeah it works fine for my android phone, and a work around might be to feed it to gmail then pull from that for other applications
[11:25] <sagaci> ciao
[11:26] <head_victim> I'm open to change the timing, the format anything, just need some ideas.
[11:26] <head_victim> Whatever it takes to get more people showing up
[11:26] <Octatron> well I know I had to really look for it before I found it myself maybe it needs to be in big text here is the link to add to your calendar so you can hook up and have a paaarrrtay!
[11:27] <Octatron> well could it be put on the front of the ubuntu-au website as the first item in big text here's what to use on your iphone, android of mobile to keep in touch with event etc..
[11:27] <head_victim> Ok well if anyone thinks of anything please email the list, we need to try and get som emore people attending
[11:28] <head_victim> Octatron: good idea, I'm hoping in the update to the website we can just have a link to "calendar" which goes to a wiki page explaining how to add the loco.u.c calendar to various devices and calendaring software
[11:28] <Octatron> google publish public calendars too I think could we do that?
[11:29] <dns53> google can give you a url that does not require authentication
[11:29] <head_victim> I'm trying to simplify the calendaring stuff at the moment, up until last month I had to update 3 places for each meeting.
[11:29] <head_victim> Can this be set up to get the feed off the loco.u.c site without having to manually inputting each item again?
[11:31] <Octatron> This is what you said before.. we need to make it obvious to people on one type of notification software not have to update several mediums 
[11:32] <head_victim> I don't mind if it can feed off the one source but I'm really anti setting up things we're going to have to manually update each time
[11:32] <Octatron> exactly so if you only have to update one calendar and everyone gets it automatically that'd be cool
[11:33] <head_victim> Well that's why I'm trying to use loco.u.c as the source so we have one place to keep up to date.
[11:33] <Octatron> to do this they have to know not to download the ical file but to copy the link into their google calendar to work properly
[11:34] <Octatron> if everyone uses it this way once a change is made to the orginal ical file everyone gets it.. you might even be able to set the alerts for meetings to 1 day instead of 10 minutes
[11:34] <head_victim> Octatron: sounds good
[11:36] <Octatron> then direct everyone on mailist to the ubuntu-au main page and have the instructions on the front in font 30 :P 
[11:36] <head_victim> Ok well I guess that's about all we have? Octatron or dns53 anything else?
[11:36] <head_victim> tom_a_sparks: you have anything to add?
[11:37] <dns53> nope nothing to add, back to minecraft
[11:37] <head_victim> [IDEA] email list to see how we can improve attendance
[11:37] <MootBot> IDEA received:  email list to see how we can improve attendance 
[11:37] <Octatron> maybe add screen dumps?
[11:37] <head_victim> Octatron: yep if it's going to help 
[11:38] <head_victim> [IDEA] postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting
[11:38] <MootBot> IDEA received:  postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting 
[11:38] <Octatron> who doesn't love screen dumps .. I could make it for google at least dunno about yahoo or msn
[11:39] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[11:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:39.
[11:40] <head_victim> Octatron: if you want to learn wiki creating a how to add the ical feed might be a good topic for the wiki
[11:41] <Octatron> well I'd like to learn howto get into your wiki for the wireless stuff and then I could contrib a google howto perhaps?
[11:44] <head_victim> It's really pretty easy, did you have a read over the page I linked?
[11:46] <Octatron> yes it looks very well laid out I just can't find the front door.. do I have to email submissions too you or something? or am I pending approval to be added to the team?
[11:46] <head_victim> Nope
[11:46] <head_victim> you just have to click "edit"
[11:46] <Octatron> ok where is the edit link
[11:47] <head_victim> In the top bar to the left of your username
[11:48] <Octatron> ahhhh wow this is different
[11:50] <Octatron> ok leave it with me this might take a little bit to learn
[11:50] <head_victim> Sing out if you have any issues :)
[11:50] <Octatron> thanks mate :)
[11:51] <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to get the ical feed into my phone without google
[11:51] <head_victim> I can get the file there but not the link
[11:51] <Octatron> can you add the ical web address to funambol first then your phone should pick it up
[11:52] <Octatron> something under shared calendars?
[11:52] <head_victim> Trying to avoid cloud services here, my personal preference is to keep my appointments off other people's servers
[11:53] <head_victim> One day I'll set up my own personal funambol server until then I'm pottering away with ical importers
[11:53] <Octatron> I know, you need to see if funambol has a function to add external public calendars on your own server
[11:54] <Octatron> what if you made up a dummy google account just to add the ubuntu ical address to it to link to your phone? that way it's nothing personal?
[11:57] <head_victim> Octatron: sounding like the only way
[11:57] <Octatron> it'd be nice if people could "google" ubuntu calendar australia and get our ical feed
[12:02] <Octatron> I know if you do that you could even add a little picture of the ubuntu calendar on the ubuntu-au website if you wanted too
[12:03] <Octatron> you know those bits of html they give you to allow people to see your schedule on a website?
[12:07] <Octatron> Why is no one else talking?
[12:10] <head_victim> All just lurking, connected but not at their keyboards
[12:14]  * gorilla is lurking...
[12:14] <gorilla> doh.. not now I'm not.
[12:16] <Octatron> zombies hey? :P I'm googling the android / ical issue atm
[12:16]  * gorilla has an Android tablet.. what's the issue?
[12:22] <Octatron> we can't seem to find an app for android that allows you to just add an ical web feed to the calendar
[12:32] <Octatron> so far all I could find is an app called "the missing sync" and "fliq" might so it but you've gotta pay for the first one
[12:32] <Octatron> brb eating cake
[12:36] <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to use more than one google calendar
[12:38] <Octatron> share one google account to another.. have one as the "main" google calendar
[12:38] <head_victim> Octatron: but can you then sync only one of these?
[12:39] <head_victim> I'm being too odd with my personal stuff I guess. It's making quite the hassle out of a lot of things
[12:41] <sagaci> how'd the meeting go
[12:44] <head_victim> A little too underpopulated to achieve much I think
[12:44] <sagaci> so postponed?
[12:45] <head_victim> We mentioned a few things, I sent an email to the list to try and work out what we can do about it
[13:01] <Octatron> I think so, atm I have two calendars with google, one business one personal i share the business to the personal and then sync the personal account to android along with the ubuntu ical feed and they all show up on my phone
[13:03] <head_victim> Apparently it might be an issue with the fact I use 2.1
[13:03] <jaddi27> head_victim, sorry for not being at the meeting
[13:04] <head_victim> jaddi27: it's ok, I'm just trying to suss out what we can do to get more people along. If we're having less than 5 - 10 people regularly I don't think we're getting the most out of it
[13:05] <jaddi27> Yes, I can understand that. Uni is quite busy for me at the moment, so I didn't even turn my computer on until 10pm
[13:05] <sagaci> head_victim, have you watched mark's keynote?
[13:05] <head_victim> sagaci: I haven't had time
[13:06] <sagaci> maybe a different day will be better
[13:06] <head_victim> sagaci: if that would help I'm more than willing to give it a try
[13:06] <head_victim> The problem is no day suits everyone all the time so it's a matter of finding the one that suits the most the most of the time
[13:07] <sagaci> sunday evening :)
[13:07] <head_victim> Suggest it on the list :)
[13:07] <head_victim> or maybe we should start a doodle poll again :/
[13:07] <sagaci> yeah I'll send an email soon
[13:07] <jaddi27> Either method would be fine I think
[13:07] <head_victim> I wonder if people even want meetings and to contribute
[13:08] <jaddi27> How would we actually find out what people want though? Previous threads on the mailing list have been very inconclusive...
[13:08] <head_victim> If 5 - 10 is all that want to be involved then that's fine we'll keep going as we are
[13:08] <head_victim> I just worry we're not getting enough of the people who want to be involved.
[13:10] <jaddi27> I think the email should hopefully get some responses.
[13:11] <sagaci> i hope thunderbird is placed as the default email client in 11.10
[13:12] <jaddi27> Thunderbird is promoted on the Ubuntu.com front page at the moment, as one of people's 'favourite apps'
[13:13] <jaddi27> along with Firefox, Chrome and Skype
[13:13] <head_victim> I'm going to stop playing with the calendars on my phone, just broke what I had setup because of a sync wipes all the locally created data. I'll go back to editing it manually as required ;)
[13:13] <sagaci> jaddi27, good point. Evolution looks so outdated
[13:14] <jaddi27> sagaci, Yes, I agree. It is a good client, but Thunderbird is a lot easier to use now I think.
[13:14] <sagaci> head_victim, I just don't understand why we have to create a new team to translate chromium. surely I can't just ride on the en-AU ubuntu team
[13:15] <sagaci> and the whole firefox-thunderbird relationship thing
[13:15] <sagaci> even though I don't use firefox
[13:15] <head_victim> sagaci: because it's a Ubuntu team, not a launchpad team. You need to make a launchpad translation team for things that are specifically ubuntu
[13:18] <sagaci> head_victim, so did I set up that team incorrectly?
[13:18] <head_victim> Not sure, about to go check
[13:19] <head_victim> I'm still debating if I'm an idiot for not wanting to use google's sync services for privacy reasons :/
[13:19]  * head_victim goes to check the launchpad team
[13:20] <jaddi27> Would there be any more privacy concerns for Google Sync vs using Google Mail, Calendar, etc?
[13:20] <Octatron> I think people also would be able to come if they have at least 1 weeks warning of events they can then plan other stuff around the meetings
[13:21] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's the thing, I don't use any of the other stuff, I've only ever had control over all my data myself (other than email 90% of which is publically logged anyway so not really caring for that)
[13:22] <jaddi27> head_victim, I see why you would be concerned now. I decided I would just use them for my main calendar and mail, so the sync service is not really adding any further privacy concerns for me
[13:22] <Octatron> You're right head_victim to not trust google or any big company with our data.. I too want to run my own web, calendar and file server from ubuntu and keep my own data secure 
[13:23] <head_victim> Yeah I can't seem to get a "local" calendar though on my phone.
[13:23] <head_victim> So I have to use a google one that isn't synced. But then I can't seem to add more than one calendar account either
[13:25] <Octatron> this is why I added all the calendar through the google account first and synced that one calendar.. just use this setup until you have funambol up and running
[13:25] <jaddi27> I am not really sure about that - I don't have any Android devices at all
[13:26] <head_victim> sagaci: I think the team needs to be called lp-l10n-en-au
[13:26] <head_victim> not just en-au
[13:26] <head_victim> Octatron: funambol still stores your data though
[13:27] <Octatron> yes but funambol stores it on your machine locally
[13:27] <head_victim> If you have a funambol server
[13:27] <head_victim> Sorry I thought you meant their online service
[13:27] <Octatron> no way! whats the point of that?
[13:28] <head_victim> That's what I wasn't getting
[13:28] <sagaci> head_victim, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au :3
[13:30] <head_victim> sagaci: looking good, needs a welcome note, communication method (hosted mailing list on launchpad?) and guidelines (I'd suggest the default)
[13:30] <Octatron> that sogo thing that has funambol built in I've downloaded it and played with it before it's not too bad
[13:31] <head_victim> Yeah I jsut don't have a web facing server
[13:31] <Octatron> run it in virtual box 
[13:32] <Octatron> it wouldn't need much ram or space
[13:32] <head_victim> Nope, just the time to set it up properly
[13:32] <head_victim> Which for me is a lot of time as I have to learn as I go
[13:36] <dns53> do you want a web facing server?
[13:37] <Octatron> the real problem is android needs to be able to add ical feeds along with your existing calendar
[13:38] <head_victim> dns53: eventually, yes.
[13:38] <dns53> you can if you use google or exchange
[13:38] <Octatron> and not have to run it through google like I do sacrificing privacy
[13:39] <head_victim> dns53: the idea here is privacy, if you're putting it through a third party then that is all gone. The other option is one that only updates on a lan so it's local though
[13:39] <sagaci> used google docs for the first time, can't believe how much of a replacement for libreoffice it actually it
[13:39] <sagaci> is*
[13:39] <head_victim> sagaci: I've not used it yet, never had a need but it does look interesting
[13:40] <dns53> head_victim sure is, but atleast the apps for domain policy is better than the normal users
[13:40] <Octatron> googles motto is "do no evil" but I don't think I believe that entirely
[13:40] <sagaci> neither did I but I was on google yesterday and docs came up and i just saw the main interface... looks much better than oo.org/lo
[13:41] <head_victim> I trust them with the data but I don't trust others not to try and get it from them
[13:41] <Octatron> I see.. well I see this like a bank situation.. how do you trust your money with a bank.. or google to secure your data?
[13:42] <head_victim> Who says I trust a bank, I check it all regularly and catch them when someone tries to do something wrong
[13:42] <dns53> there is always bitcoin ...
[13:42] <Octatron> It's the same reason people are trusted on ebay to do the right thing..
[13:42] <head_victim> BUt yes, they do have a set amount of my "money" but you can't get around that
[13:43] <Octatron> it's because with all these things it's in their best interest to secure you data/money because if word got out that someone got in.. they'd lose ALOT of customers so it's in their best interest not too 
[13:44] <head_victim> I just found out my ical export fails
[13:45] <Octatron> how so?
[13:45] <head_victim> It misses events randomly, unless that's evolution playing up
[13:46] <head_victim> I'm going to suss it in thunderbird and see if it's evolution or not
[13:46] <Octatron> have you looked at zimbra?
[13:47] <dns53> ical is a standard that no one follows consistently, they a bit of variation in how they handle dates
[13:48] <head_victim> dns53: I'm finding that out :/
[13:48] <dns53> explicitly adding a timezone offset seems to help
[13:49] <sagaci> head_victim, how would I go writing a welcome. The normal ubuntu is like "hey guys, looking to translate ubuntu into enAU, come help us". What's the launchpad one doing. "Hey guys, looking to translate launchpad into enAU" - or am I looking at this wrongly
[13:50] <head_victim> sagaci: look around at some of https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/launchpad-translators/ the other teams is all I can suggest, borrow what you need
[13:55] <sagaci> head_victim, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au - what else, you were saying something about guidelines, what guidelines?
[13:56] <Octatron> well as we speak I'm downloading Sogo virtualbox edition to see if I can get my head around the calendar server, webserver etc anyone played with this stuff before?
[14:03] <head_victim> sagaci: Guidelines. The team should have a set of translation guidelines. This can be arranged after the team has been accepted, but it is a requirement.
[14:03] <head_victim>     *
[14:03] <head_victim>       You can use the general Launchpad localization guidelines or adapt them for your language/team.
[14:03] <head_victim>     *
[14:03] <head_victim>       Let Launchpad know about your translation guidelines. 
[14:03] <sagaci> ah righteo
[14:05] <sagaci> guess I'll send an email to the list inviting for the interested to join
[14:05] <head_victim> Or see if they want to subscribe the whole team
[14:10] <head_victim> sagaci: link to the team perhaps?
[14:10] <sagaci> head_victim, where's your sense of hide and seek
[14:11] <head_victim> Hah just saying ;)
[14:11] <head_victim> Nice work with it btw
[14:11] <head_victim> Just need to submit the application for it to be designated as a proper team now :)
[14:15] <sagaci> head_victim,  doesn't sound too bad? (part of draft email?) http://paste.ubuntu.com/605706
[14:16] <head_victim> You would need the owner of the other group to add "their" team to yours
[14:16] <sagaci> i figured that
[14:17] <head_victim> But yeah looks good
[14:17] <sagaci> meh, doesn't matter if the whole team can't be copy-pasted
[14:18] <head_victim> Not really, just makes it seem to flow better
[14:19] <sagaci> you're admin of the other team, yeah?
[14:19] <sagaci> lol maybe not
[14:19] <sagaci> sorry, I should have just searched
[14:21] <head_victim> Hah that's ok
[14:22] <sagaci> isopogon - goneskies?
[14:22] <head_victim> Probably still around somewhere
[14:23] <head_victim> Oh have you been sending it to ubuntu-au ?
[14:24] <head_victim> Shouldn't you be hitting the "contact this team" link on the launchpad for the enAU translators?
[14:24] <head_victim> As that's actually the team we want not all of U-AU
[14:25] <sagaci> yeah, thats what i'm saying
[14:25] <sagaci> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au - we're on the same page?
[14:25] <sagaci> o i c
[14:25] <sagaci> L o L
[14:26] <head_victim> Yeah hit "contact this team's members" sorry thought that's what you were doing to start with
[14:26] <sagaci> sorry
[14:26] <sagaci> sagaci - spamming the main ubuntu-au list since 05/11
[14:26] <head_victim> Hah I've been doing it for ages now so don't feel too bad
[14:27] <sagaci> oh well, look at the bright side.. all these whingers of my spam will reply so we'll get a good number of how many are actually on the list
[14:29] <sagaci> also means I can send a pristine email - WITH LINK - that looks semi-professional to where it's meant to go
[14:31] <head_victim> Hah yeah, UAU just got the draft ;)
[14:32] <head_victim> dns53: how is vcard as a standard?
[14:47] <sagaci> head_victim, did you get the revised email via ubuntu en-AU?
[14:47] <head_victim> Yep, can't reply to all though ;)
[14:47] <head_victim> Unless I go to launchpad and hit "contact everyone"
[14:49] <Octatron> not the RED BUTTON!!
[14:51] <sagaci> I just find it annoying that there's a package on lp that I want to help translate, yet you have to go through all this rigmarole to get to a 4000-string package
[14:54] <head_victim> sagaci: not just a 4k string package, but every package on lp that assignes to enAU now
[14:58] <sagaci> head_victim, just think of all those new strings, ready to be translated
[14:59]  * head_victim hopes he didn't open a big can of worms
[15:01] <sagaci> ~360,000 strings in about ~1300 source packages. How many source packages in ubuntu? 15,000 maybe?
[15:01] <head_victim> Heh well just make sure you submit the application so it becomes official from LP
[15:01] <head_victim> Otherwise there won't be anything to translate
[15:03] <dns53> head_victim vcard is verry universal for most attributes and you can add your own attributes
[15:03] <head_victim> dns53: nice to know, that's the part I really need to rely on more, my calendar is easy to set up my contacts would be a pain to loose
[15:04] <head_victim> The Defy has a nice built in web access to export/import built into the phone so I can just do it over the air semi regularly to back up
[15:05] <sagaci> is the defy on froyo?
[15:05] <head_victim> 2.1
[15:06] <head_victim> Getting 2.2 in July according to Telstra, some other carriers are already trialling 2.2 OTA
[15:06] <sagaci> happy with it?
[15:07] <head_victim> Very actually. I was a bit so so but now I'm pretty much sold.
[15:07] <head_victim> This contact/calendar thing is the only thing my old nokia did better for my needs
[15:08] <Octatron> just downloaded sogo server into virtualbox.. the web based calendar/email.... niiiiiice
[15:09] <head_victim> And I'm still looking for a great irc client, yaaic sort of works but needs a whole lot more scrollback
[15:09] <head_victim> Octatron: is it the sort of thing I could set up on a lan and never have it pointed at the internet?
[15:21] <Octatron> :D just successfully pulled in the ubuntu ical feed to appear on a virtual calendar running in virtualbox 
[15:22] <head_victim> Octatron: I might need to look in to it
[15:24] <head_victim> I more want the redundancy of it as opposed to the "has to be up to date 24/7", I don't want to loose my phone and therefore loose all my contacts/appointments
[15:26] <Octatron> so is this more about backup
[15:28] <sagaci> speaking of backup, deja dup might be in 11.10 as default backup
[15:33] <Octatron> this guy seems to use ssh and rsync on android to backup to his ubuntu pc http://www.huanix.com/2010/12/10/how-to-use-rsync-backup-for-android-to-make-incremental-backups-of-your-android-phone/
[15:48] <head_victim> Octatron: nice link I'll look into that
[15:48] <head_victim> sagaci: I just rysnc /home /etc /usr and hope for the best. That's my backup plan usually ;)
[15:50] <Octatron> google the new bible :P
[15:51] <head_victim> Interesting to see if it backs up the internals of the phone though not just the SD Card
[15:53] <Octatron> yes well only one way to find out..
[15:53] <Octatron> I think I'm off to bed.. night lads
[17:11] <head_victim> What the? I just spend over an hour on a wiki project and now I have no idea where it's gone