[07:58] <mdke> hey dpm
[07:59] <dpm> hey mdke, I was writing a reply to your last e-mail, but the first UDS sessions are about to start and I could not finish it
[08:00] <mdke> dpm: no problem, things must be busy!
[08:00] <dpm> yeah :)
[08:00] <mdke> dpm: one option i guess is to disable translations entirely in the Ubuntu source package, if Launchpad can't be made to work. Let's see how it goes
[08:00] <dpm> in short, please don't change the template name in Ubuntu, rather add the ubuntu-docs- prefix to the upstream templates, but I'll explain in more detail some time later on todey
[08:00] <mdke> ouch
[08:01] <mdke> that's a pain
[08:01] <mdke> ok, I'll wait for your email - there is no rush for this
[08:01] <dpm> ok, let's talk then
[08:01] <mdke> have a good day
[08:01] <dpm> you too, thanks!
[08:16] <mdke> hey j1mc
[08:17] <mdke> nice work pimping the team to Mark :)
[08:18] <j1mc> mdke: heh :) thanks
[08:19] <DarkwingDuck> mdke: heads up...
[08:19] <mdke> caught up on your sleep yet?
[08:19] <DarkwingDuck> Jono in the community roundtable is talking about making documentation tean a focus for 11.10
[08:19] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[08:19] <mdke> good stuff
[08:19] <DarkwingDuck> Changed my sleeping so i can attend UDS remotly
[08:20] <DarkwingDuck> midnight to 9a
[08:20] <DarkwingDuck> whoot
[08:20] <mdke> any details?
[08:20] <DarkwingDuck> 90% has to do with the wiki
[08:21] <j1mc> mdke: yes. slept fine last night
[08:21] <mdke> good
[08:21] <j1mc> DarkwingDuck: you rock
[08:21] <mdke> which wiki?
[08:21] <DarkwingDuck> and weeding out bad/outdated docs
[08:21] <DarkwingDuck> both.
[08:21] <j1mc> mdke: he wants to have calls with us
[08:21] <j1mc> but is primarily focused on wiki during this discussion
[08:22] <mdke> fine
[08:22] <DarkwingDuck> I know I could use some people in kubuntu-docs... we lost nixternal
[08:22] <j1mc> one of my goals is to get together a strategy document for the team, similar to what xubuntu has
[08:22] <DarkwingDuck> We put up a ToDo list with the Kubuntu Dev todo.
[08:22] <DarkwingDuck> for each cycle
[08:22] <j1mc> and i suggested it would be good to include wiki stuff in that strategy document
[08:23] <j1mc> mdke: #ubuntu-uds-kazinczy
[08:23] <mdke> I need to leave for work shortly, so can't join. But obviously happy to follow up
[08:24] <j1mc> sounds good
[08:24] <j1mc> i will send an email out to the list following up on stuff from yesterday
[08:25] <DarkwingDuck> thanks j1mc
[08:25] <DarkwingDuck> :D This is why I like UDS
[08:26] <j1mc> i want to make sure that everyone is in the loop and that decisions aren't made in a vacuum.
[08:29] <mdke> that's much appreciated
[09:28] <YoBoY> hi
[09:29] <YoBoY> starting to study (again) if I can generate and put the system doc online in french
[09:29] <YoBoY> there is a new theme in progress ?
[09:45] <jbicha> YoBoY: um, not sure I understand your question
[09:45] <jbicha> but we did switch to mallard and our output is different on help.ubuntu.com
[09:46] <jbicha> switched to mallard from docbook
[09:46] <jbicha> our website code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com I believe
[09:47] <UndiFineD> jbicha, how would I get started in mallard ?
[09:47] <jbicha> the specs & a tutorial are at http://projectmallard.org/
[09:48] <UndiFineD> so raw xml writing
[09:49] <jbicha> right but I think it's simpler than docbook
[09:50] <UndiFineD> hmmm, lets see if I could change that
[10:27] <YoBoY> jbicha: I can see I haven't the same result..., thanks I look at it on my next pause
[12:57] <YoBoY> jbicha: the link you gave me before is the doc presently here : https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/index.html ?
[13:13] <YoBoY> ok, I see, this branch is the generated/corrected content, the exact content actualy online, right ?
[13:13] <YoBoY> but I'm looking for how to generate that content in another locale
[13:14] <jbicha> I don't really know how the localization works
[13:14] <YoBoY> the make all on the natty branch don't seems to create the pages actualy online, but I can be wrong
[13:14] <jbicha> what do you mean it doesn't create the online pages?
[13:16] <YoBoY> seems the natty branch only contain the ubuntu-classic documentation
[13:16] <YoBoY> (and server guide)
[13:48] <jbicha> oh, then you want https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty
[13:49] <jbicha> I believe we'll be reverting back to ubuntu-docs for oneiric but modifing gnome-user-docs in place was the easiest for natty
[13:50] <YoBoY> jbicha: it's really complicate to find the right branhc ^^" the repository is a mess and the wiki is so outdated...
[13:51] <YoBoY> the system documentation is a great documentation, our translators want it online because they work on it (I understand that) and I think this doc can be a good entry point to Ubuntu
[13:53] <jbicha> right, the wiki is about a month or so out of date but there were big changes
[13:53] <YoBoY> yes
[13:53] <jbicha> and some docs are still in docbook so we can't just remove it all entirely
[13:53] <jbicha> but updating the wiki is a top priority for us
[13:54] <YoBoY> there is a session about the doc on the uds ?
[13:54] <jbicha> so the translations should be available to work on under gnome-user-docs
[13:54] <jbicha> there was a session yesterday
[13:55] <jbicha> I think there's another but I'd have to dig through the schedule
[13:55] <YoBoY> crap, I haven't seen it (or perhaps don't had time to attend ^^")
[13:55] <YoBoY> I look myself, thanks :)
[13:56] <jbicha> this is the one from yesterday: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy/
[14:10] <YoBoY> thanks jbicha seems a great session
[14:11] <jbicha> j1mc: any more docs sessions? YoBoy was asking
[14:12] <YoBoY> we can talk also outside sessions :)
[14:17] <DarkwingDuck> YoBoY: we are having a Kubuntu Docs review session on thursday
[14:25] <YoBoY> DarkwingDuck: if I don't have another session (for now I don't) I'll go :)
[14:27] <DarkwingDuck> YoBoY: I wont be there... I'll be leading it remotly.
[14:28] <YoBoY> ok
[14:45] <j1mc> jbicha: yes, there will be one tomorrow
[14:45] <j1mc> and one on wedensday
[14:45] <j1mc> BUT ...
[14:46] <j1mc> oops
[14:46] <jbicha> lol
[14:46] <j1mc> meant one on wednesday
[14:46] <j1mc> and thursday
[14:46] <j1mc> but there are other docs-sessions that aren't just about ubuntu docs
[14:46] <j1mc> so people should feel free to check those out, too
[14:46] <YoBoY> j1mc: I'll try
[14:47] <j1mc> YoBoY: cool
[18:30] <head_victim> j1mc: as far as spruiking the wiki goes, you should try and find someone to lean on to get bug 668530 resolved, it's still ongoing and makes the wiki very difficult to use. Nice summary for those of us not able to attend though, thanks
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668530 in ubuntu-website "Wiki - 500 Internal Server Error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668530
[18:41] <j1mc> head_victim: thanks - i'll take a look.  :)
[18:42] <head_victim> j1mc: No problems, it's one of the things I butt heads against on a regular basis
[18:42] <j1mc> head_victim: yeah, the performance of the wiki came up in the community round table today
[18:42] <j1mc> :/
[18:44] <head_victim> I understand there are finite resources available for these sorts of things but just thought I'd mention it before you went promoting it too hard
[19:57] <mdke> head_victim: I think that problem relates to the team wiki rather than the help wiki though. It's known and the sysadmins are working on it - updates are available on ubuntu-news.org (e.g. http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/04/07/another-wiki-ubuntu-com-upgrade-update/)
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> I'm offline, see y'all tomorrow :) Aloha!
[23:53] <Rocket2DMn> hey shaunm , you around?