[00:47] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7442949 anyone good at routing got any suggestions on this? :P [00:51] have you looked in iptables to see if there's anything matching? [00:53] see if someone got on the wrong side of fail2ban or similar [00:55] shauno, nope, my iptables entries are null [00:55] I checked :) [00:55] iptables --list shows everything is allow [00:57] have you tried doing traceroute from server->baduser ? [01:15] shauno, yes, that's in the thread [01:17] it's only one hop? [01:18] shauno, yep. [01:18] breakage \o/ [01:54] <3 get_iplayer === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [06:24] hi [06:24] is there a way to ghost image of Ubuntu Desktop ? [06:25] clonezilla can do it [06:30] MartijnVdS: Thanks [07:23] Morning [08:11] 23:13:46 < gord> we don't really support having the monitor on the left of the springboard [08:11] has launcher been renamed to springboard? [08:34] That'll vex the iOS people. [08:37] Anyone know a bit about jQuery? What does the if statement below mean? (I'm a bit confused by the comma. What is the callback actually working on?) [08:37] $('#browseCatalogue ul.browseSubMenu > li > a').click(function() [08:37] { [08:37] if(!$('.sub',$(this).parent()).hasClass('active')) [08:40] Morning all [08:44] howdyho [08:53] :( skype [08:56] dutchie: Mass transfer to Ekiga, or an acceptance that it works and it doesn't really matter who owns it. Either way, its still a closed source system and may not make much difference [08:56] DJones: Google Talk also works [08:57] DJones: with/without video [08:57] with/without audio [08:57] (in empathy) [08:57] MartijnVdS: Must admit, I've never tried googletalk [08:57] DJones: yeah, but the problem is non-geek friends use it heavily [08:58] dutchie: They're not your friends anymore now. [08:58] i'm sure my girlfriend would love that [08:58] dutchie: you'll have more time for her! [08:58] not much use when she is in .ch [08:59] google talk, or move there ;) [08:59] i think google talk [09:00] dutchie: Heh, to be honest, I uses what works and suits me, while personal choice will be an open source option, if closed source (because of popularity) is needed, I'll use it if necessary. I guess as long as MS don't stop supporting non-windows versions its not likely to be a problem (as with msn etc) [09:00] * dutchie notes that msn is currently failing to log in via empathy [09:01] Pidgin FTW [09:06] DJones: i have to say i agree with pragmatism [09:07] although skype barely works now and is about 5 versions behind the mac/windows client [09:08] I found skype worked really well on linux at the start of the year when my parents were in Australia, certainly couldn't fault its basic usage, installed easily, connected with no problems, although agreed that it is some way behind the windows version [09:09] empathy can't call google talk web users [09:09] due to codec issues [09:09] popey, that was the last i heard... maybe its the launcher again, i honestly can't keep up [09:10] hah [09:10] springboard is the apple one [09:10] Is there a way to disable the "Apps you can download" bit in the "Magnifying glass with a + in it" "menu"? [09:11] i looked in to it, i honestly have no idea [09:11] i'm gonna call it the appydoodah [09:11] (also, does it have a better name than "Magnifying glass with a + in it-menu" [09:11] it's called unity-places-applications [09:12] sorry unity-place-applications [09:12] !info unity-place-applications [09:12] MartijnVdS, only by modifying the source of the apps place [09:12] unity-place-applications (source: unity-place-applications): Application place for unity. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.46-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 43 kB, installed size 212 kB [09:12] lens [09:13] is it that awful? [09:13] gord: Oh. That's annoying. The user in question doesn't have admin rights, so can't install those apps (yet it still shows them) [09:13] i want to get into unity hacking actually, so i may make a patch for that [09:13] seems like as good place to start as any [09:13] MartijnVdS, interesting [09:14] \o/ unity hacking [09:14] i mean hacking in the true sense of the word [09:14] ie making it do what i want, don't care what the "designers" say [09:15] this sure does have a lot of build deps [09:15] MartijnVdS, if apt doesn't know about the applications and we have no results to return, then we won't show the more apps you can download bit though, maybe that would help? [09:16] gord: showing options to run apt if the user can't run apt feels bad though :) [09:16] or at least sub-optimal [09:17] MartijnVdS, i would agree, up to a point "hey mum, i saw this game on the computer, can i get it?" - not sure what the best solution is there [09:17] I'll file a bug, so People In Charge can decide [09:18] :) [09:18] worst comes to worst, we throw an option in there per user [09:18] wait.. I need to double-check if it's not unity-2d on that machine [09:18] it wouldn't matter [09:18] oh? same code? [09:18] the backend, place-applications and place-files are shared between them [09:19] its in the backend [09:20] waiting for launchpad... [09:21] are these c files autogenerated from the vala? [09:22] yes [09:22] vala compiles down to c [09:22] so i need to edit the vala files? [09:22] and why are the c files shipped in the source package if they are intermediate? [09:22] my laptop is broken so was forced to use unity 2d on my netbook yesterday for actually doing things..didn't work out too well [09:23] if you don't want to alt-tab, then switching windows is a nightmare [09:23] yes, true [09:23] ali1234, if the c files already exist, they are prolly not generated from vala [09:23] look in the C code, if it looks sane then its not generated by vala, if it looks insane, its generated by vala [09:23] gord: main.c, main.vala - has same const strings in the same order... [09:24] the c looks pretty insane even by glib standards [09:24] no comments either [09:24] i've seen worse written by humans though [09:24] ali1234, that will be generated then, not sure why its shipped [09:24] all the variables are like _tmp1_ - that's dead giveaway [09:24] what is this in? [09:25] in unity-place-applications [09:26] 30kb/s from launchpad wooo [09:26] gord: ooh, a record [09:27] gord: Is there a picture somewhere with arrows pointing at all the bits of Unity with their names? [09:27] there is [09:27] ali1234, i just branched lp:unity-place-applications and we don't ship any c files. are you talking about the tarball? they will have c files because it just makes life easier for distribution [09:27] AlanBell: do you have a link? :) [09:27] on the lense page MartijnVdS [09:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses [09:27] doesn't cover all of it [09:28] gord: i did apt-get source unity-place-applications on natty [09:28] and it says launcher rather than springboard [09:28] gord: So where was you last night dude? [09:28] anyone listen to jono bacon's interview on the linux action show the other day? [09:29] davmor2, i wanted to go out, hotel is suffocating, but then those plans fell through and i napped through the evening by accident :( [09:29] i'm glad he is no longer saying that natty rocks [09:29] davmor2, i'm convinced you are not here anyway [09:29] its all a big trick [09:30] ah, i just realised "applications available for download" makes sense in the context of doing a search [09:32] oimon: friend messaged me last night: "ok, so now ubuntu is totally rubbish, what is good?" [09:32] AlanBell: http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/19166#19166 [09:32] except he didn't say rubbish [09:32] AlanBell: that explains it better :) [09:32] ali1234: gnome classic session is the answer :D [09:32] except people don't realise it [09:33] Ahoy peeps! [09:33] well XFCE certainly isn't the answer [09:33] ahoy-hoy [09:33] i see no reason to jump until my options have disappeared [09:34] while gnome classic exists then why jump? [09:34] i dunno [09:34] no reason [09:34] Chris Cross will make you jump [09:34] gord: Damn you seeing through my cunning plan, oh wait no I am here :P I think you're not :D [09:34] jump jump [09:34] i don't believe they (gnome) can get away with dropping it entirely [09:34] or at all for that matter [09:34] seems like the only thing that even fewer people like than unity is gnome shell [09:35] * bigcalm goes looking for some nice 80s hip-hop [09:35] btw they were called kris kross [09:35] my company has over 500 linux desktops, possibly nearer to 1000, and we may soon be making a decision on a single distro to use [09:35] just fyi [09:40] I hate you all. [09:41] popey: Why? [09:41] http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc [09:41] now playing [09:41] popey: At least it's not Rick Astley [09:41] \o/ [09:42] Your musical compatibility with popeydc is HIGH [09:42] * bigcalm tickles popey [09:42] :) [09:42] Your musical compatibility with popeydc is VERY HIGH [09:42] i got very high too [09:42] yay dell fixed my laptop on the last day of warranty :D [09:43] oimon: that's what warranty is for :P [09:43] that doesn't make much sense [09:43] MartijnVdS: the indian call centre guy didn't think so [09:44] rather fortunate that it should break 2 days before the 3yr was up [09:44] but in no uncertain terms he said i had to pay £85 since it wasn't covered by warranty [09:45] Your musical compatibility with popeydc is VERY LOW [09:45] wow popey is stuck in the indie scene of the 90s [09:45] where's sleeper and blur? [09:46] :) [09:46] popey: where did u go to uni? [09:46] dutchie: do you only listen to classical? [09:46] not exactly [09:46] Country & Western? [09:46] oimon: I never went to Uni [09:46] http://www.last.fm/user/jshholland [09:47] Ah, you're young [09:47] popey: i was at manchester around that era...was good times :D [09:47] I forget now and then :) [09:47] "bran van 3000 - Drinkin in LA" -yesss i heard a snippet of that song the other day and couldn't think what it was [09:48] bigcalm: :P [09:48] is lastfm free? [09:48] Yes [09:48] there is a free tier and a subscriber tier [09:52] Grandmaster Flash - The Message [09:52] * bigcalm grooves [09:52] Sound of Eden - Shades of Rhythm [09:52] Shaun of the Dead has this and other great 80s hits [09:52] * popey winds it up [09:53] New glasses will be ready for collection at lunch time. I think I'm far too excited about getting new glasses :) [09:54] * ali1234 makes a new lastfm account but with real name this time [09:54] heh [09:55] the trouble with making accounts under a false name [09:55] is you can't tell anyone it's you [09:55] otherwise they know the false name you use everywhere [09:56] lol [09:56] i was telling my friend mungojerry that the other day [09:56] i need some help testing my webcam later [09:56] ahem [09:57] http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uupc [09:59] this is driving me nuts, i thought i had my theme sorted out, lastnight the top panel was dark with the nice unity icon set, but now it's reverted to what i think is oxygen, [09:59] i updated this machine from 10.10, and i had installed kde4 as a test, but i think it's conflicted with unity's setup [09:59] now i'm stuck with the lighter theme in my top bar, [09:59] really want the nice mono colours forthe unity theme [10:00] wow, just turned on two finger scrolling on the touchpad! [10:00] so something is reverting it after i login. [10:00] AlanBell, yeh, that's sweet [10:00] loved that when i discovered it on my Eee [10:00] didn't support it in Maverick [10:01] I have started trying to two finger scroll on any laptop :P [10:01] not on my laptop [10:01] oh? did on 10.10 for me [10:01] what laptop [10:01] samsung R530 [10:01] maybe different touchpad driver. [10:01] yeah, the OS supported it but the driver didn't [10:02] popey: does this mean we are going to get some live show recordings via video now you have a superduper net connection? [10:02] horizontal scrolling too [10:02] yup :) [10:03] Apacheuk: ya [10:03] and no :) [10:03] that is awesome on the summit schedule [10:03] seems like everyone stopped using lastfm in dec 2009? [10:03] including me [10:03] popey: :) that was my show prediction from the prediction show :) [10:03] is that when they shut off streaming to uk [10:03] too many people in wayland talk [10:03] ? [10:04] no, to europe [10:04] ali1234: no, don't think so [10:04] that was ~3 mo ago iirc [10:04] well, everyone outside USA basically [10:04] i used it for a long time, ubuntu one replaced it [10:04] since they decided to give me a 3 month free subscription for some reason and that has now run out [10:05] spotify replaced it for me [10:05] but now they've got a limit too [10:05] Last FM is good for random tracks on a theme. Spotify is good for albums [10:05] can't get spotify :( groove shark is my only option, but not real desktop app for it (: [10:05] yeah my use case is different, i want to stream my own music not discover music i guess [10:06] i don't want to deal with a music library ever again now [10:06] certainly not one that i had to pay for [10:06] it's bad enough that it can go up in smoke due to random computer failure [10:07] i just throw up my music into u1 [10:07] * dutchie likes having physical cds [10:07] i don't like having physical CDs actually [10:07] i think i am a dying breed [10:07] they take up too much space [10:07] i prefer it to buying mp3s online though [10:07] i have an irrational distrust of spotify [10:08] got rid of all mine after i finished ripping my music and moved house [10:08] what about listening to music in the car? [10:08] if i could buy the whole artist backcatalogue on a read only microsd card, that would be ideal [10:08] i mean, i still have the music and i have that music backed up, so don't need the cds [10:08] Just noticed this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/netflix-chrome-plugin-will-bring-on-demand-video-to-linux ok, netflix isn't available in the uk yet, but could be interesting in future [10:08] not entirely legal though gord [10:09] eh? what is not legal about it oimon? [10:09] ask popey [10:09] if cd's had copy protection it would be, because you are breaking the DMCA but thats not the case [10:09] gord: do you mean that you ripped your cds and then sold them? [10:09] maybe that thing he's always on about only applies to dvds [10:09] o_O [10:10] oimon, oh god no [10:10] oh :D [10:10] i ripped my cds and then put my cds in the bin [10:10] * AlanBell is not living in a country where the DMCA has any validity [10:10] Its nothing to do with the DMCA [10:10] It's not legal to rip CDs/DVDs in the UK. [10:10] yup [10:10] you can't put your CDs on your MP3 player [10:11] in the UKI? [10:11] indeed [10:11] I didn't realise, in Ireland here so [10:11] That's a shame [10:11] president? [10:11] bet you can't in Ireland either [10:11] similar rules will apply here, we mostly just copy you guys : ) [10:11] i remember when i was young, the daily mail had a story about recording of tv programmes becoming illegal. i worried about it for about a year [10:11] i remember that too [10:11] heh [10:12] i think there's a lay like you can't keep recorded tv shows for longer than 3 weeks or something [10:12] a law that is [10:12] if its illegal to copy data from a cd to somewhere else then just playing them is illegal [10:12] or that was the law they brought in in the 80s [10:12] no idea if it still exists [10:12] gord: nope [10:12] If so, then my V+ box is being very naughty [10:12] nope [10:12] just finished watching danish tv series the killing - best programme i ever saw [10:12] you have a license via Virgin for what it does [10:13] bigcalm: this was back in vhs days [10:13] gord, playing is fine if you don't take advantage of the ananlogue loops, there's seperation of the potential to break a law and actually doing it that protects you [10:13] I see [10:13] gord: just because something is technically equivalent does not mean itis legally equivalent [10:13] And off the shelf DVRs? [10:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping [10:13] "In the United Kingdom, making a private copy of copyrighted media without the copyright owner's consent is illegal: this includes ripping music from a CD to a computer or digital music player" [10:13] i wonder about freesat type stuff actually [10:14] citations are there before anyone larts me for quoting wikipedia [10:14] manufacturers have to meet a loooong list of requirements to put freesat on it [10:14] i love that my dvr has a usb port for copying/archiving to pc [10:14] have bbc done that encryption thing with their eit data yet? [10:14] ali1234: the freesat logo, yes [10:14] ali1234: but Freesat works fine on my receiver, which isn't "official" freesat [10:14] the logos count for nothing [10:14] yes, yes [10:14] ali1234: (being in NL and all) [10:14] the logo [10:15] logos count for a lot [10:15] as proven by the digital tick case of the digifusion fvrt200 box [10:15] Sure, "red button" stuff doesn't work [10:15] but [10:15] you won't see a sat receiver in curries if it doesn't have freesat logo or sky logo on it [10:15] ah, its one of those laws that doesn't actually matter [10:15] Heh [10:15] certain manufactureres used the tick and it didn't conform [10:16] all the customers lost out [10:16] maybe i'll open a ripping facility in france, you send your cd's via royal mail, i rip them then send back a digital copy [10:16] gord: a friend of mine wanted to set up that exact service [10:16] concluded that CDs are too damn valuable to send by post [10:17] perhaps valuable is the wrong word... "too expensive to replace" would be more like it [10:17] lovefilm seems to do fine [10:17] because it's not like you can resell them for anything like the cost to buy them [10:18] lovefilm isn't dealing with retail purchased dvds [10:18] if it cost then £16.99 every time one got lost or damaged in the post they would be screwed [10:18] or £32.99 for the blu-ray [10:19] also they're not shipping 100 in a big box [10:19] well they have rental copies, i'm not sure how that affects the price [10:19] someone's entire CD collection could represent an investment of several thousand pounds [10:20] bluray - what a con [10:21] a con? [10:21] i like bluray [10:21] i like bluray too, when it's done right [10:21] i don't like upscaled-from-dvd bluray releases [10:21] i like HD, 25mbit content is great too [10:21] the prices of films on bluray are a ripoff [10:21] yeah too expensive too [10:21] it's like when CD's came out, they were cheaper to produce than cassetes but were still more expensive [10:21] eh, i get mine for around £20, i'm willing to pay that [10:22] would have to be a damn good film for me to pay £20 [10:22] even if the dvd is a tenner? [10:22] yes [10:22] because dvd quality looks poor now everyone has HD tvs [10:22] dvd has horrible compression and at a terrible resolution, also you basically flip a coin on weather you are gonna get progressive or interlaced content. no thanks [10:22] ali1234, I really can't see the difference sat back on my sofa [10:22] i don't have surround sound or HD TV [10:22] and sorry, but upscaling makes it look worse than just watching it on a SD CRT [10:23] with dvd i just end up looking at the artifacts [10:23] if you can't see the difference between HD and upscaled SD on a HDTV you must have extremely poor eyesight [10:23] right [10:23] ali1234, it's probably that... I don't care [10:23] if you don't have HD TV then everything looks fine [10:23] well, it could be that the TV is too small or too far away [10:23] upscaling makes the artifacts must worse [10:23] did you ever look at SD TV and DVD and think , this sucks? [10:24] I've got a 32" HD TV with Sky HD... I regularly don't realize I'm not watching the HD versions of channels [10:24] it's only when you get HD telly that you see artifcats [10:24] obviously there *is* a difference, but I ain't paying an extra tener for it [10:24] oimon: i have looked at SD content on a SD CRT next to a HD LCD, and the CRT looks fine, while the HDTV looks poor due to artifacts [10:24] sky hd wasn't good last time i saw it, low bitrate :( [10:24] ali1234: right [10:25] BBC HD, BBC One HD, ITV HD and C4 HD look fine though [10:25] especially the BBC channels [10:25] i don't get it [10:25] if you have a HDTV you need HD content otherwise it looks worse than SD on a SD screen [10:25] and the SD tellys are going to the skip even though they are great still [10:25] they are not great [10:25] ali1234, it depends on the TV I think, some upscale REALLY badly [10:25] the only thing is i wish i could plug the laptop into the telly [10:25] I had to replace one that broke and the difference in upscaling was unreal [10:26] it's just that you need content that matches the screen [10:26] ali1234, ideally yes, but I don't notice too much difference unless I'm looking at it (or am sat close to it) [10:26] *looking for it [10:26] looking at it lol [10:26] i saw a crt for the first time in years the other day, couldn't look at it, refresh rate hurt my eyes :( [10:26] I don't enjoy a film in SD any less than an HD one [10:27] sorry but i do enjoy a film more in HD [10:27] it's not that i don't enjoy SD [10:27] i've never seen one in HD, or 3D for that matter [10:27] \o/ HD snobbery [10:27] i don't have to lookfor the artifacts either [10:27] i'm used to watching the stuff from iplayer [10:27] they jump right out like a spelling mistake in a book [10:28] I have blu-rays that are full of black snow (that isn't film grain) [10:29] animated stuff is well worth the HD [10:29] btw on a rather differnt topic, i'm choosing desktop PCs to last for the next 4 years..which processors do you recommend? [10:29] http://supportdetails.com/ heh cute [10:29] i3? i5? [10:29] oimon: Sandy Bridge i7-2600K [10:29] i wouldnt buy a desktop [10:29] :) [10:29] popey: nice one, bookmarking that [10:29] * MartijnVdS is waiting for Ivy Bridge :) [10:30] desktops are more future proof and long lasting than other tech [10:31] I'd buy an imac :) [10:31] oimon, +1 [10:31] troll [10:31] neh [10:31] buy a mac pro [10:31] oimon: I've just bought an i3 laptop for home & got an i5 desktop at work, both with the same memory & I don't notice any speed difference except with a flash game (The i3 is considerably faster with that) [10:31] not a imac [10:31] geez [10:31] I've never bought a desktop PC.. [10:31] he said desktop [10:31] :) [10:31] I just build them [10:31] DJones: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html [10:31] mac pro *is* a desktop [10:31] oh, sorry [10:31] misread [10:31] unless you only count pcs where the whole case goes on the desk [10:31] at the moment they have core 2 duo e8400 [10:32] hah, the pedant definition of 'desktop' [10:32] which are plenty fast enough [10:32] OK: workstations [10:32] mac pro is the only mac i'd ever buy, and i'd never buy it cos an equivalent pc is half the price [10:32] so i guess my recommendation is spec a pc equivalent to a mac pro :) [10:33]