[00:12] <kdub> oh wat up philipballew
[00:12] <philipballew> Oh, just living the dream of finals week! you?
[00:18] <philipballew> kdub
[00:19] <kdub> ping notices help. same old same old, kernel crashes
[00:19] <kdub> any thoughts on a may ubuntu-hour?
[00:20] <philipballew> i will maybe not be here, but what are your thoughts for one? the location last time seemed to work goood for you?
[00:21] <kdub> it was ok, i'm just curious when you go back up north for the summer
[00:22] <philipballew> possably this weekend. kdub . i tecnally finish this friday
[00:23] <philipballew> but that is the tentative plan
[00:24] <kdub> nah, too short notice
[00:24] <kdub> plus, i'm sure you have other concerns with moving back up north and wrapping up the year
[00:24] <philipballew> for sure. how did you feel about that location we had it at last time?
[00:28] <kdub> it was ok enough. not enough power strips.
[00:34] <philipballew> true. perhaps if one of us showed up a while before to grab a table inside? how does it compare to the other 2 locations weve tried do you thing kdub
[00:35] <philipballew> *think
[00:36] <kdub> i mean, its probably a little bit better, just because of more parking and such
[00:36] <kdub> the real thing that we need is advertising
[00:38] <philipballew> thats true. the spaces were interesting. and it allowed josh (the gentoo guy) to come
[00:43] <philipballew> i agree. and even if i am gone i can still make some. what type of advertisments do you think we need?
[01:17] <seidos> honestly, KDE is great advertising
[01:17] <seidos> it looks a lot like win7
[01:18] <seidos> i suspect it would be easier to get a windows user to move to a kde distro
[01:18] <sn9> then why do more windows users switch to mac than to kde?
[01:19] <sn9> in CA, anyway
[01:19] <seidos> speaking of which, i wonder if there's syntax with startx to select kde
[01:19] <seidos> they don't know about kde
[01:19] <sn9> there is startkde
[01:19] <seidos> or where to get it
[01:19] <seidos> i mean, say i want to buy a laptop right now with kde on it, where do i buy it?
[01:20] <seidos> i guess i'd have to buy it from me o_o
[01:20] <sn9> or me
[01:20] <seidos> sn9: cool, i'll try startkde
[01:22] <seidos> i just switched to blackbox, so i should be able to start kde in case i need to show it to someone
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[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: ping
[05:00] <jdeslip> g 3
[05:01] <jdeslip> err... ignore that
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> How are ya Jack?
[05:01] <jdeslip> Pretty good :)
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> I got a part time job offer
[05:01] <jdeslip> sweet
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> From a company we are all familure with
[05:01] <jdeslip> What kind of job?
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> Web Dev with ZaReason
[05:02] <jdeslip> Nice
[05:02] <jdeslip> They are awesome people
[05:02] <akk> woo!
[05:02] <DarkwingDuck> pays a little low but, the rewards would be good.
[05:02] <jdeslip> (and I think their website needs some work)
[05:03] <jdeslip> Those grey squares looks a little geocities-ish ;)
[05:03] <jdeslip> Get to work!
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> I applied last night and Cathy emailed me today.
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> I need to find a number and call her tomorrow
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> after UDS
[05:03] <jdeslip> Sounds good
[05:05] <jdeslip> Anything excitinng happen at any of the sessions today?
[05:06] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck,
[05:06] <MarkDude> Hello
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: hey bro
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you used to do work with ZaReason didn't you?
[05:13] <MarkDude> Yes- I was their CM
[05:15] <seidos> hey DarkwingDuck glad to hear you got some work
[05:15] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, what ya got
[05:16] <seidos> i was looking at their site, i wonder what they use for the cart
[05:16] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[05:17] <MarkDude> hey there seidos
[05:18] <seidos> MarkDude: if you're into buddhism there is a pretty laid back active buddhism channel on undernet #buddhism
[05:18] <seidos> it would be cool to see you there if you ever have time
[05:19] <sn9> "laid back" must be the ultimate compliment there
[05:20] <seidos> sn9: not sure what you are trying to say
[05:20] <sn9> do you not know what laid back means?
[05:20] <seidos> i am starting to think that when i don't understand what people are trying to say, it is basically their way of saying "i hate you"
[05:21] <sn9> that makes no sense
[05:21] <sn9> when someone says "i hate you" to me, i understand it
[05:21] <seidos> sn9: i could propound further if you wish to hear it
[05:23] <sn9> i don't see why not, but before that, i just wanted to point out the irony of your using "laid back" as a compliment without realizing it's synonymous with "enlightened" because you knew no other aspiration
[05:24] <seidos> sn9: i never new "laid back" and enlightened were considered the same o_o
[05:24] <seidos> and i don't disagree with it :P
[05:25] <seidos> i dunno, i don't want to give the impression that people there are lazy
[05:27] <sn9> hence the irony
[05:27] <DarkwingDuck> Not official yet, I was offered it now I have to figure out if I want to take it.
[05:31] <seidos> dayum, i'd take it, no question
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> I also have three kids to worry about.
[05:32] <seidos> yeah, i was thinking about that earlier today actually
[05:32] <seidos> i thought it was two though
[05:32] <seidos> :|
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> Right now I'm recieving 405 a week with unemployment and I'm barly making ends meet
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> However, I believe in what ZaReason is doing.
[05:33] <seidos> barely making ends meet is making ends meet
[05:34] <seidos> it is nice to have a cushion though, so that retirement becomes feasible :/
[05:35]  * DarkwingDuck is doing reasearch
[05:35] <seidos> i'm making $0 and i'm making ends meet
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> The family is what is expensive
[05:35] <seidos> rent + food
[05:35] <seidos> i shop at good will :/
[05:35] <seidos> they have nice stuff
[05:36] <seidos> i got some airwalks for $5
[05:36] <seidos> but, sizes may be a problem, i've never shopped for kids before
[05:37] <seidos> i also think frugality is cool, but i may be looney toons
[05:37] <seidos> like this guy:  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mbhG-E_FFjw/Sd6j4FtznvI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/F_oezORHjaE/s400/8758-3-bugs_bunny_-_4.jpg
[05:38] <sn9> frugality can be expensive in a culture of consumption
[05:46] <seidos> if you are speaking in purely financial terms, then it doesn't matter, because frugality is the only option when you don't have the finances to become a good little consume
[05:46] <seidos> r
[05:46] <seidos> there is also the moral consideration, and the social consideration
[05:47] <seidos> ironically, i find that most people don't really have time to care about the consumption other people do...they are too busy trying to make $ to consume
[05:47] <sn9> being a "good little consumer" often costs less
[05:48] <sn9> things are designed to be cheaper to replace than to repair
[05:48] <seidos> there's that word again "cost"...
[05:48] <seidos> oh, yeah, that's true
[05:49] <seidos> like my battery on ac adapter on my notebook :)
[05:49] <seidos> *or
[05:49] <seidos> when you say cost i think in terms of economics, i'm not purposefully trying to be obtuse
[05:50] <seidos> like someone might say "i have to be a consumer because if i'm not i won't have friends"
[05:50] <seidos> not having friends would then be a cost
[05:50] <sn9> i am not the type to care about that
[05:50] <seidos> actually, the only way i know to solve the battery problem and ac adapter is to make it so that i could build my own, which is impossible...
[05:51] <seidos> the other option is to buy previously owned computer equipment
[05:51] <seidos> which i am not opposed to doing, then perhaps the equipment that i needs replaced may be useful in the future
[05:51] <sn9> if it's impossible, why is it that the OLPC project does it for every unit, and always did?
[05:52] <seidos> i'm not a part of the OLPC project
[05:52] <sn9> iron phosphate laptop batteries are made from food nutrients
[05:52] <seidos> and i'm not sure batteries made from food nutrients is optimal
[05:53] <seidos> it may cause an increase in food prices :/
[05:53] <sn9> designed to be replaceable in remote villages with no supply
[05:53] <DarkwingDuck> Those moral vs monatray arugements go out of the window when you know that there is a 6, 4 and 3 year olds depending on you to feed, clothe and make sure they have a roof over their head.
[05:54] <sn9> DarkwingDuck: that was my original point
[05:54]  * DarkwingDuck knows. 
[05:54] <seidos> or if you are cold and hungry
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> It was more directed at seidos
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> However....
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> It starts at part time and unemployment will cover what ZaReason doesn't pay.
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Sooooooooo, I'm going to get Cathys number tomorrow and call her.
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> So I wont be at a loss for $$
[05:55] <sn9> or you could call the main zareason number
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[05:55] <sn9> it's on the website
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> I'll call tomorrow after UDS is over. :)
[06:14] <seidos> heh, how funny, i'm a good little consumer, i sure as hell am not a good little producer
[07:19] <erichammond> Turns out compiz on natty has a bug that makes it use up memory over time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/720446
[07:20] <erichammond> Mine had grown well over 1G before I figured out it was the cause of my system problems.
[07:33] <philipballew> imagine walking away from your system for a long period of time
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[16:01] <jdeslip> If anyone is looking for a skype replacement - gTalk on Ubuntu is rocking - and Ubuntu is a first class citizen for the project
[16:05] <grantbow> M$ is a shrewd competitor buying Skype.
[16:05] <jdeslip> Also looks like we may have the Goog to thank for Netflix support on Ubuntu! http://goo.gl/sOe2K
[16:06] <jdeslip> Which is why I am glad Chrome-OS will bring market-share to Linux, even if I plan to mostly stick with Ubuntu in my recommendations
[16:07] <jdeslip> grantbow: Not sure $8.5 billion is 'shrewd' - that is pretty steep price to get back into the game
[16:09] <grantbow> ok, well, it's more complicated
[16:42] <nhaines> I'm pleased that Netflix will support instant streaming using HTML5 with Chrome.
[16:46] <MarkDude> http://www.bigbluebutton.org what do people think of this as an alternative?
[16:54] <sn9> [Tue 2011-05-10 08:01:54 AM PDT] <jdeslip> If anyone is looking for a skype replacement - gTalk on Ubuntu is rocking - and Ubuntu is a first class citizen for the project <--- so gTalk has group videoconferencing now??
[16:56] <jdeslip> Ya, It has had for 6 months or so now?  Maybe longer
[16:57] <jdeslip> (on Ubuntu at least)
[16:57] <iheartubuntu> is gtalk available for peopel without gmail accounts?
[16:57] <sn9> iheartubuntu: yes
[16:57] <iheartubuntu> *people
[16:58] <sn9> it's any xmpp acct
[16:58] <sn9> just to be clear, we're talking about the google talk browser plugin, right?
[16:58] <iheartubuntu> do you know if xmpp handle video/voice in empathy or pidgin
[16:58] <sn9> pidgin does it, but very very badly
[16:59] <sn9> it uses (ugh) gstreamer
[16:59] <sn9> empathy is simply broken all-around
[17:00] <sn9> and neither does it with group video
[17:01] <MarkDude> Hmmm
[17:02] <sn9> jdeslip: just to be clear, we're talking about the google talk browser plugin, right?
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> do we have any Ubuntu Hours or other CA team meetings coming up this week?
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> I missed posting seidos UH on Saturday and the team meeting Sunday. Sorry folks.
[17:09]  * sn9 wonders if he understood jdeslip correctly
[17:11] <iheartubuntu> seidos how did your UH turn out?
[17:13] <seidos> iheartubuntu: still working on it
[17:16] <grantbow> MarkDude: no, BigBlueButton isn't an alternative to netflix. http://twit.tv/floss147
[17:16] <grantbow> or skype
[17:19] <sn9> grantbow: and gTalk?
[17:19] <grantbow> or gTalk
[17:19] <sn9> no, i mean skype vs. gTalk
[17:20] <grantbow> I haven't used it as such so I'm not sure.
[17:21] <sn9> i also have not tried the google talk browser plugin
[17:22] <sn9> but i have tried it in pidgin and it is fail
[17:22] <grantbow> www.google.com/talk leads me to believe that it's not a full skype replacement
[17:22] <sn9> well, jdeslip seems to say otherwise
[17:22] <grantbow> on all platforms
[17:22] <grantbow> for all purposes
[17:22] <sn9> again, jdeslip seems to say otherwise
[17:22] <grantbow> he might say you are misinterpreting
[17:23] <grantbow> skype out for instance
[17:23] <sn9> gtalk has free calling within usa and canada
[17:23] <sn9> skype charges money
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> i just had my wife switch to skype for video calls to her family. uggggh.
[17:29] <sn9> ok, i'm about to try the google talk browser plugin for the first time. anyone who wants to be my guniea pig can call me right now at (408)37-COMPU
[17:30] <grantbow> https://chrome.google.com/webstore searching for gTalk found a plugin that says it only works on a cr-48 but seems to work fine in chromium on my machine too.
[17:31] <sn9> grantbow: it's in the google apt-get repository
[17:32] <sn9> no takers?
[17:32] <seidos> it'll take me like 20 min to install the plugin, i need to use Slackbuild to convert the .deb on this system
[17:32] <sn9> or did someone call the number and not get through?
[17:33] <sn9> (from a regular phone, i mean9
[17:33] <sn9> *mean)
[17:33]  * kdub cant wait for google voice to work all its little quirks out
[17:34] <kdub> i really like the service though
[17:34] <sn9> atm, it should go straight to my browser if anyone does
[17:35] <sn9> or maybe i should call someone
[17:35] <seidos> hey kdub i tried taking all the keys off my keyboard and putting them back dvorak, but the z and x used a different connector so i couldn't do it
[17:35] <MarkDude> grantbow, if I have a server set up to host bigbluebutton- for people using it - wouldn't it be an alternative?
[17:35] <sn9> MarkDude: how about you?
[17:35] <MarkDude> seidos, no biggy - how often do you use the z & x?
[17:36] <MarkDude> sn9?
[17:36] <kdub> yeah, i touch-type with dvorak usually a lot of keyboards cant be re-arranged
[17:36] <seidos> MarkDude: well they go in a certain spot
[17:36] <kdub> they make stickers, but i just know where the keys all are after 3 or 4 years
[17:36] <seidos> i guess i'd have to train touch typing on dvorak
[17:36] <kdub> it takes about 2 weeks of frustration
[17:36] <seidos> that would be...interesting
[17:36] <MarkDude> seidos, the channel you siad to check out was #buddhism
[17:37] <seidos> MarkDude: on irc.undernet.org
[17:37] <seidos> MarkDude: btw, i like bigbluebutton
[17:37] <MarkDude> Ok- I mean I could experience Zen in a room by myself
[17:38] <MarkDude> Dru Lavigne suggested it- she rocks
[17:38] <seidos> true :)
[17:39] <seidos> forgot i said anything
[17:41] <MarkDude> I will add the channel later
[17:43] <sn9> MarkDude did not pick up. anyone else?
[17:45] <sn9> g2g; i'll try it later
[17:51] <seidos> bbq baked beans
[19:06] <sn9> back
[19:06] <seidos> tangy carolina bbq
[19:08] <sn9> jdeslip: so, what did you mean?
[19:10] <jdeslip> sn9: Yes it works in the browser.  But, I don't see why that would make it not a full skype plugin??
[19:11] <jdeslip> It does everything skype does, and does it better.
[19:11] <sn9> hmm
[19:11] <jdeslip> (at least the features of skype that are available for linux)
[19:11] <sn9> ahhh
[19:11] <sn9> so still no group video
[19:12] <sn9> that is the holy grail of skype replacements
[19:12] <jdeslip> Negative on that I think.
[19:12] <jdeslip> But perhaps soon :)
[19:12] <jdeslip> I have never done a group video actually ;)
[19:12] <sn9> until it has that, migration is unlikely
[19:12] <sn9> i have, under windows
[19:13] <jdeslip> I do like having everything in my browser these day though.  My gmail tab is like my communications hub!
[19:14] <jdeslip> Except I also use the html5 tweetdeck
[19:19] <jdeslip> sn9 - you are welcome to test with me - my gmail username is same as irc
[19:32] <sn9> jdeslip: ok, i just got a phone call on it, and the other person could not understand a word i said, though i heard clearly
[19:32] <sn9> on skype, this is never a problem
[19:35] <sn9> anyone else wanna try? (408)37-COMPU
[19:40] <nhaines> sn9: I'd try if I were less busy at work today.  :)
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> i left my phone at home :( but thank god for internet
[19:42] <seidos> if i'm using a cell phone, why don't i just call your cell phone directly?
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> ive got a webcam with audio and mic at home
[19:43] <seidos> isn't the point of all this voip stuff to get away from the tyrannical carriers?
[19:43] <sn9> the point is choice
[19:43] <seidos> 2
[19:43] <sn9> others can choose not to and have it still work
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> seidos - i cannot make the pasadena UH this thursday (last months UH flyers are still up at CSULA). my wifes birthday was yesterday (victory day!) and with her busy schedule, the only day my fam can take her out is this thurs
[19:45] <seidos> you know what i remember?  yahoo chat had some voice something or another that nobody used
[19:45] <seidos> iheartubuntu: hey, me neither.  no car.
[19:45] <sn9> yahoo voice is extremely proprietary
[19:46]  * iheartubuntu loved backgammon on yahoo and their pool game too
[19:46] <sn9> google released their code freely licensed
[19:47] <sn9> i still rue the demise of gizmo5
[19:47] <sn9> google bought them and simply shut them down
[19:48] <seidos> oh yeah, counterstrike had voice over ip
[19:48] <seidos> all right, i'll bite.  i'm going to try and find the source code for this alleged google add on
[19:49] <seidos> all i can find is a .deb on their site
[19:49] <sn9> no, the add-on is proprietary
[19:49] <sn9> the engine library is free
[19:49] <sn9> pidgin uses it, albeit crappily
[19:51] <seidos> so it's hybrid open source / proprietary :/
[19:51] <sn9> the only group videoconferencing that works on gnu/linux is SaaS websites using adobe flash, such as tokbox or tinychat
[19:51] <seidos> like big blue button?
[19:52] <sn9> i haven't looked at that one
[19:52] <seidos> bigbluebutton has worked for me in the past
[19:52] <seidos> sorta' kinda'
[19:52] <sn9> there was something called Muji to fill the gaps in gTalk, but i think development stopped
[19:56] <seidos> the taste, it was so bitter
[19:57] <sn9> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/MujiDemoClient
[19:58] <seidos> empathy, telepathy
[19:58] <seidos> i don't use empathy anymore
[19:59] <seidos> i mean, the software
[19:59] <seidos> not the emotion
[19:59] <seidos> or ability even
[20:05] <seidos> yeah, i'm going to sit on the floor now, eyes close
[20:05] <seidos> dddd
[20:13] <sn9> jdeslip: i'm gonna try it with empathy now; let's see whether there's a diff
[20:15] <sn9> no answer...
[20:17] <seidos> you should have mentioned this like 3 or 4 weeks ago when i was using empathy exclusively sn9
[20:18] <sn9> i never had it work enough to mention
[20:19] <seidos> terrible timing i guess :/
[20:26] <sn9> seems empathy does not work, period
[20:52] <sn9> well, neither empathy nor muji work AT ALL
[21:38] <jdeslip> sorry was at lunch
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> is there a way to make everything bigger on the desktop without changing the screen resolution?
[22:28] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: magnifier tool?
[22:31] <iheartubuntu> I think changing the font rendering resolution in appearance will work for this situation
[22:32] <iheartubuntu> i didnt want to actually change screen rez which could lead to a blank screen :) an early mistake i did many times when starting out with ubuntu long ago