[00:48] <greg-g> I usually agree with @drchuck (great prof at my school), but his last tweets about git/hg/bzr(by association) are just crazy: https://twitter.com/#!/drchuck
[00:49] <rick_h__> greg-g: I think the proper answer is "The open source world would like to strongly disagree"
[00:50] <rick_h__> or better "is very glad you're not kind for any days"
[01:02] <greg-g> :)
[01:10] <Blazeix> I like @trek's reply to the king tweet.
[01:16] <greg-g> Blazeix: yep :)
[01:36] <snap-l> Fall of the roman empire? seriously?
[01:37] <_stink_> i just wish he'd explain wtf he means.
[01:37] <snap-l> There's always a canonical place for the source in git / hg
[01:37] <snap-l> I like to think of it as having more than one point of failure
[01:38] <snap-l> try coding without Internet with SVN
[01:38] <snap-l> can't be done.
[01:38] <snap-l> Not unless you want to make one giant check-in afterwards
[01:39] <jjesse> what's the topic tonight?
[01:39] <rick_h__> bookie 0.2!
[01:39] <jjesse> sounds like fun
[01:40] <snap-l> Meh, I'm waiting for 0.3
[01:40] <snap-l> ;)
[01:48] <snap-l> Man, I hate Bank of Americ
[01:48] <snap-l> a
[01:49] <snap-l> They've called me repeatedly to try and sell me identity theft insurance
[01:49] <snap-l> once per day
[01:49] <snap-l> told them to please lose my number
[01:58] <rick_h__> any RT <3 greatly appreciated: https://twitter.com/#!/BookieBmarks/status/67750341474648065
[01:59] <TeamXlink> /join #bookie
[02:00] <snap-l> retweeted
[02:00] <snap-l> Recycled
[02:04] <rick_h__> ty
[02:06] <TeamXlink> Quick question I've been wondering about.
[02:06] <TeamXlink> Has anyone heard or been too Cherry Valley Pizzeria?
[02:06] <rick_h__> nope
[02:06] <TeamXlink> It isn't in business as of earlier january, but I'm curious of how many people have heard of it.
[02:08] <snap-l> First I'm hearing of it
[02:14] <TeamXlink> Alright, well thank you guys.
[02:17] <snap-l> I love this
[02:18] <snap-l> The guys that were having trouble with sending MMS to a handset were just using application/octet-stream as the MIME type, and expected it to work.
[02:18] <snap-l> s/expected/expecting/
[02:18] <rick_h__> snap-l saves the day! and curses a moron
[02:20] <snap-l> Seriously, we've geen going around on this for _weeks_
[02:20] <rick_h__> oh, that guys?
[02:20] <rick_h__> /guys/guy/
[02:20] <snap-l> And I finally roll up my sleeves and do some testing (after getting the filetypes that need to be tested) and prove that things are working just fine
[02:21] <snap-l> I don't think I've mentioned this in channel
[02:21] <snap-l> They did their own testing on Friday.
[02:21] <snap-l> and only a few things were getting sent to the phone
[02:21] <snap-l> And of couse I'm able to send pretty much what I want to my phone
[02:32] <snap-l> I owe it all to Python as well
[02:33] <snap-l> made it pretty easy to get this sorted.
[04:37] <Blazeix> microsoft is buying skype:     <style type="text/css"></style>
[04:37] <Blazeix> er, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576313932659388852.html
[04:43] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, just saw that
[04:43] <snap-l> And the internet just shat itself
[04:44] <snap-l> I'm taking a wait and see approach, but if it pans out, it means that I'll be 100% on Google Voice / WOW!
[04:44] <snap-l> And I'll need to find another way to hande Skype interviews
[04:45] <snap-l> http://kara.allthingsd.com/20110509/microsoft-will-announce-acquistion-of-skype-tomorrow-morning/
[04:46] <snap-l> Fuck
[12:05] <wolfger> somebody in here was interested in MeeGo? Nixternal? http://www.ics.com/company/news/meego_conf_sf/
[13:07] <rick_h__> snap-l: looks like we'd better find something else to do lococast with vs skype
[13:08] <rick_h__> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/05/wsj-microsoft-to-buy-skype-for-7bn-rest-of-world-for-real.ars
[13:08] <greg-g> maybe there will actually be some wide spread adoption of mumble
[13:09] <rick_h__> I might need to get a mixer and some extra audio equip for the office
[13:10] <rick_h__> there's no way skype lives on linux being MS owned
[13:10] <rick_h__> not that we were back seat anyway, but still
[13:12] <brousch> apple's already ahead of it, with facetime
[13:12] <brousch> i expect a renewed interest in ekiga
[13:13] <rick_h__> yea, but skype has hit mainstream with non-apple users
[13:14] <brousch> good point
[13:14] <brousch> no one will want to install a flaky open source webcam chat thing just to talk to their dorky friend/kid
[13:21] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, I've been thinking about it all night
[13:30] <wolfger> omfg. The Siemens dude just compared "statement list" to Visual Basic.
[13:31] <wolfger> ...he also said the address was the comment (because symbolic addressing was used) and the comment was the address (because somebody typed the non-symbolic address into the comment)
[13:32] <wolfger> why am I here to "learn" Siemens software from this guy?
[13:52] <tjagoda> greg-g: Mumble should not replace skype
[13:53] <tjagoda> They are diffrent tools for different situations
[13:53] <tjagoda> Mumble should be compared to TeamSpeak or Ventrillo
[13:53] <rick_h__> yea, thankfully video is coming to android google talk
[13:53] <rick_h__> so there will be that on mobile and web
[13:54] <Milyardo_> I hope for a protocol to come to replace SIP that gains wipe adoption
[13:55] <Milyardo_> dunno if extensions to XMPP is the way to go like with Google Talk, but I wouldn't be against it if done right
[13:55] <tjagoda> For consumer use I'd agree with rick
[13:56] <tjagoda> google's the way to go
[13:56] <tjagoda> Average Joe should not be expected to worry about VOIP signaling protocols =(
[13:59] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/73100654
[13:59] <rick_h__> lol
[14:01] <rick_h__> sorry, that was mainly at the second part
[14:02] <snap-l> Yeah, that was the intention. :)
[14:04] <tjagoda> lol
[14:56] <wolfger> money-making idea: WOM chips (write-only memory). Super cheap to produce. Just need to convince people they want/need WOM
[14:58] <snap-l> remember WORM drives? (Write Once, Read Many)? Someone came up with the WORN drive. (Write Once, Read Never)
[14:58] <brousch> i already have plenty of WOM in /dev/null
[14:59] <wolfger> brousch: you need more. You should buy it from me.
[15:00] <jrwren> memcached is the new WOM
[15:00] <snap-l> heh
[15:03] <snap-l> http://ihnatko.com/2011/05/10/microsoft-buys-skype-for-8-5-billion/ <- I <3 Ihnatko's writing
[15:29] <greg-g> python people, I was looking for a good template for the file header and came across this:http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1523427/python-what-is-the-common-header-format, I've never seen the __author__, __etc__ stuff. common?
[15:31] <snap-l> I've not seen anything like that
[15:31] <snap-l> At least not that I've noticed
[15:31] <greg-g> yeah
[15:31] <snap-l> now that I'm aware of it, I'll probably notice it everywhere. ;)
[15:31] <greg-g> I found this though: http://epydoc.sourceforge.net/manual-fields.html#module-metadata-variables
[15:32] <greg-g> anyways, not that important, moving on to write the next helper script
[15:32] <Milyardo> I think I've see that before
[15:32] <Milyardo> in OpenERP
[15:32] <greg-g> ah, cool
[15:33] <Milyardo> Didn't think it was a common Python convention though, it was the only place I've seen it before
[15:33] <Milyardo> Like I don't I've even seen it used when I playing around with Pylons a while back
[15:33] <snap-l> I have this feeling that it's something that's nice to have, and most would agree that it's nice to have
[15:34] <snap-l> and that I enjoy being repetitive
[15:35] <Milyardo> WHat source generated documentation tools are there anyways for python?
[15:36] <Milyardo> besides doxygen I guess
[15:36] <Milyardo> is there like a pydoc analog to javadoc?
[15:36] <snap-l> Sphinx?
[15:36] <Milyardo> Sphix? Isn't that a search engine?
[15:37] <snap-l> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/contents.html
[15:37] <snap-l> It's an unfortunate name clash
[15:37] <Milyardo> Ahhh
[15:38] <jrwren> ninkendo_: you work for apple now?
[15:42] <Milyardo> snap-l: I don't see a section about sphinx reading metadata like greg-g's link
[15:43] <snap-l> Right, I'm not sure if anything uses that
[15:49] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/sIB/
[15:55] <greg-g> jrwren: whoa, ninkendo_ at apple? where did you see this?
[15:56] <greg-g> snap-l: LOL
[15:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Thought you'd get a kick out of that. :)
[16:02] <snap-l> Holy shit, this meeting is 1 1/2 hours
[16:03] <snap-l> (*blah blah blah*)
[16:15] <rick_h__> greg-g: no, that's not common
[16:16] <rick_h__> basically taking advantage of the fact that any .py file is a module
[16:16] <rick_h__> and allowing you to do stuff like
[16:16] <rick_h__> mylib.__author__
[16:16] <rick_h__> and epydoc has it's own format, but most people these days are using sphinx and restructured text
[16:16] <rick_h__> so more often see things like :author: RIck
[16:18]  * greg-g nods
[16:20] <jrwren> rumor i heard.
[16:40] <greg-g> yay, debugged and got running a complex python script (started on Thursday, didn't look at all weekend/yesterday), and wrote another (simplier) one that is doing its thing now, too
[16:40] <greg-g> read "complex" as "complex for greg-g"
[16:40] <rick_h__> awesome
[16:40] <rick_h__> python ftw
[16:40] <greg-g> :)
[16:42] <snap-l> greg-g: Seems the theme of the week is "Python rocks"
[17:03] <wolfger> So with Skype being purchased by MS, is it kosher to say Microsoft writes Linux-compatible software? ;-)
[17:03] <rick_h__> for about 48hrs
[17:04] <snap-l> Apparently the natives are restless by my house
[17:06] <snap-l> There's a group of kids that appear to be visiting the urban farm across the street
[17:07] <Milyardo> Microsoft already has written plenty of software for Linux
[17:07] <Milyardo> even kernel modules
[17:08] <greg-g> 'tis true
[17:08] <greg-g> they've done GPL
[17:08] <rick_h__> right, but what consumer product do they have on linux?
[17:08] <rick_h__> I can't think of any, but admit I don't track it
[17:08] <rick_h__> I'll feel better if there's something they do that runs on linux
[17:10] <snap-l> We'll know more in the coming weeks
[17:10] <snap-l> Personally I'm sub-optimistic
[17:10] <rick_h__> yea, I'm ready to find alternatives for sure
[17:11] <rick_h__> I've been liking google voice in gmail
[17:11] <rick_h__> so now I have a reason to use google's stuff more
[17:11] <snap-l> Yeah, Google Voice is nice
[17:12] <wolfger> snap-l: "sub-optimistic"?  I like it.
[17:14] <rick_h__> mmmm, google io
[17:14] <rick_h__> I'll have to try to go to this thing one day
[17:14] <snap-l> Well, if the first order of business is to kill off Linux clients, then I'll be nerd-enraged
[17:20] <Blazeix> best case scenario, they open up the protocol. worst case, they make a change to the protocol and don't update the linux client.
[17:21] <Milyardo> that'd be interesting, for skype;s protocol to become a .NET library
[17:22] <Milyardo> though I'm pretty sure they bought skype for the brand, not the technology
[17:23] <snap-l> Milyardo: I could see them integrating it into XBox and PC
[17:23] <snap-l> and licensing it out
[17:25] <Milyardo> snap-l: As a component of live.com?
[17:26] <snap-l> Music beta by Google
[17:26] <snap-l> Milyardo: Pissibly.
[17:26] <snap-l> Er, possibly.
[17:27] <snap-l> OK, Ubuntu Cloud streaming needs to not be subscription, starting now. :)
[17:27] <Milyardo> ha, if they do then Skype is doomed for eventual irrelevence then
[17:27] <Milyardo> just like the rest of Windows LIve
[17:32] <snap-l> Wow, I think I found a bug in the music player
[17:32] <snap-l> Most of the music is "Unknown Artists / Unknown Album"
[17:34] <jrwren> ------------------------------------------------------------
[17:34] <jrwren> 12:03   wolfger| So with Skype being purchased by MS, is it kosher to say Microsoft writes Linux-compatible software? ;-)
[17:34] <jrwren> dont forget the hyper v kernel patch
[17:39] <snap-l> Oooh, very mice
[17:39] <snap-l> nice, even
[17:39] <rick_h__> awesome, arduino board for talking to google apps
[17:39] <snap-l> Android Accessories are Arduino-based
[17:39] <rick_h__> well for android
[17:42] <greg-g> lol http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/jstrap/gmail/signature?20388
[17:45] <rick_h__> alert alert!
[17:47] <Blazeix> alerts are javascript. For shame, rick_h__.
[17:47] <rick_h__> ahhh
[17:50] <wolfger> FSF just likes to piss on everybody, don't they?
[17:55] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[17:56]  * snap-l is copying all of my Amazon purchased music to Ubuntu One
[17:57] <greg-g> brousch loves those hotdogs
[18:00] <brousch> ohyeah
[18:00] <brousch> also it's a little local place and i don't want it to die ;)
[18:00] <brousch> like my thai restaurant did
[18:01] <binbrain> greg-g: thanks for the link to the FSF announcement, I updated my Gmail email signature
[18:03] <binbrain> I can't tell if people know I'm kidding, never mind
[18:06] <binbrain> rick_h__: if you haven't already read this http://sontek.net/turning-vim-into-a-modern-python-ide some good tips
[18:06] <rick_h__> binbrain: yea, some things to check out
[18:06] <rick_h__> most of it I have or an alternate to
[18:06] <rick_h__> nose vs pytest and such
[18:06] <greg-g> heh, that's the second time someone in here has linked that article to rick_h__
[18:07] <greg-g> (at least that I've seen)
[18:07] <rick_h__> Yea, I'm known for my quirks :)
[18:07] <greg-g> :)
[18:08] <binbrain> rick_h__: I didn't know about gundo or snipmate
[18:08] <binbrain> I actually wrote some stuff to do what snipmate does
[18:09] <rick_h__> Yea, I've been using snipmate for a while
[18:09] <rick_h__> handy for some things
[18:09] <rick_h__> I have dmp as a shortcut
[18:09] <rick_h__> in a JS file it does console.log()
[18:09] <rick_h__> in python LOG.debug()
[18:09] <rick_h__> in PHP it does a print_r()
[18:09] <rick_h__> nice to have one command that maps to the right language at hand
[18:10] <rick_h__> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/custom_snippets/python-custom.snippets
[18:11] <brousch> in PHwhaaaaaaaaa?
[18:13] <greg-g> I more like "snippet ass"
[18:13] <rick_h__> :)
[18:13] <rick_h__> I know, poor taste, but dammit it makes sense
[18:13] <greg-g> haha, I know
[18:16] <rick_h__> bah, hate when bosses make bad design choices
[18:18] <binbrain> that's what they're there for rick_h__
[18:18] <rick_h__> it's so hard to argue those things
[18:18] <rick_h__> they're 'touchy feely' kind of things that just feel wrong
[18:19] <rick_h__> but this one time...at band camp...I wanted this data in the table so make it always visible kthx
[18:19] <binbrain> I've been pretty lucky with my bosses actually though
[18:19] <binbrain> its always the upper uppers that have no idea that make the bad decisions
[18:19] <rick_h__> I'm trying to beat the term 'USE CASE' into the heads of people
[18:19] <rick_h__> if there's not a use case it doesn't exist
[18:23] <snap-l> Had a boss mention on the conference call that we don't do things just because they're cool
[18:23] <snap-l> There has to be a reason to do it
[18:24] <brousch> being cool _is_ a reason
[18:24] <brousch> it may not be a good one
[18:24] <snap-l> It's not enough
[18:25] <rick_h__> sigh, so suddenly work figured out how a queue works
[18:25] <rick_h__> "but when we add new stuff it has to wait for all the rest to go through!"
[18:25] <rick_h__> umm yep...that's a queue
[18:25] <rick_h__> "but we want everyone to run at the same time"
[18:25] <snap-l> rick_h__: Congratulations on knowing what you'll be working your entire infrastructure around. ;)
[18:25] <rick_h__> well...that should have come up about a year ago, thanks for trying
[18:25] <brousch> to the cloud!
[18:26] <rick_h__> yea, the whole thing is built around this queue, high speed, able to process like a banshee
[18:26] <rick_h__> but suddenly they realized someone can lock it up for 3-4 hrs
[18:26] <rick_h__> yep...true
[18:26] <rick_h__> and the problem is???
[18:26] <rick_h__> "well they want to see some go out" *sigh*
[18:26] <snap-l> Which is why you have multiple workers
[18:26] <snap-l> so something isn't bunging up the queue
[18:26] <rick_h__> yea, the thing is that there's no time sensitivity to it
[18:27] <rick_h__> it's not like a 3 or 4 hr delay hurts them
[18:27] <rick_h__> it's all mental
[18:27] <rick_h__> "The old system we could fire up more instances and they'd run side by side"
[18:27] <snap-l> Right, because they're thinking of it like a shopping line
[18:27] <rick_h__> well, this aint the old system
[18:27] <rick_h__> and it's 4-6x faster
[18:27] <rick_h__> so rather than taking 20 hrs to run them all side by side, they all get done in 5 hrs
[18:27] <snap-l> So it's the difference between checking out at Meijer vs. Checking out at Meijer
[18:27] <rick_h__> just your stuff runs in hour 4-5
[18:28] <snap-l> s/Meijer/Wal*Mart/
[18:28] <snap-l> When I check out at Meijer, I'm happy
[18:28] <rick_h__> ugh, come on MUG, I need some geek fun
[18:28] <snap-l> when I check out at Wal*Mart, I want to kill someone.
[18:28] <rick_h__> so my system is walmart?
[18:28] <rick_h__> :(
[18:28] <snap-l> No, I mean the new system is Meijer
[18:29] <snap-l> and the old system is Wal*Mart.
[18:30] <greg-g> wal-mart has many check-out lines while meijer has only one?
[18:30]  * greg-g is confused
[18:30] <greg-g> ;)
[18:31] <rick_h__> so am I
[18:31] <brousch> my meijer has a lot of self-service lines
[18:31] <snap-l> Well, hell.
[18:31] <brousch> is that like downloading the job to my laptop and running it there?
[18:31] <greg-g> haha
[18:32] <rick_h__> there you go
[18:32]  * brousch hugs snap-l
[18:32] <greg-g> brousch: autonomous computing approved by the FSF
[18:32] <rick_h__> distributed service
[18:32] <snap-l> My experience with Wal*Mart is no matter how many queues there are, they all suck
[18:32] <rick_h__> lol, go greg-g "own your data, the server will give you back your unit of work and ask you to do it yourself"
[18:32] <greg-g> haha
[18:33] <snap-l> Isn't that what we do all day?
[18:33] <snap-l> I think it's all just an illusion
[18:33] <snap-l> The world is being powered by our little pieces of work
[18:35] <jrwren> anyone run Windows Server 2008 (or R2) on EC2? can you tell me what Control Panel->System And Security-> System shows under the Processor field?
[18:36] <rick_h__> we've got an instance we run when needed, but not sure what is says there
[18:42] <brousch> whoa, i found a python job i'm qualified for! "Part-time Django web developer & Excel support. 3-4 days / month developing web-based database application, as well as manipulation of complex Excel spreadsheets. Approx 3-4 days/month"
[18:43] <rick_h__> 3-4/mo?
[18:48] <brousch> part time django and excel!
[18:49] <jrwren> quote 'em $2000 for that :)
[18:54] <Milyardo> Any know hot to get Apache to change it uid to the user to authticates for a request?
[18:55] <Milyardo> I have a CGI script who's permissions I want to limit based on the user who authenticates
[18:55] <Milyardo> file system permissions to be specifixc
[19:00] <snap-l> Milyardo: Sounds like you'd need a plugin to make that happen
[19:00] <snap-l> though which plugin I have NFC
[19:00] <Milyardo> snap-l: I think its a apache module yeah, but I don't remeber the name, I know that webdav mod has it as a depedency
[19:01] <snap-l> I'm not sure what web-dav does, personally
[19:01] <snap-l> I had limited exposure to a working instance of it, and even that was too much
[19:03] <rick_h__> stick it on a queue, root reads off the queue and su's to the person required :)
[19:08] <snap-l> Yeah, that may be a better approach
[19:08] <snap-l> that way you're not trying to munge the running process
[19:20] <jrwren> Milyardo: I've never seen it done successfully outside of suexec.
[19:20] <jrwren> i like rick_h__ approach too
[19:22] <Milyardo> Apache already forks a new process when executing CGI's right? Doesn't seem like it would be too diffcult to setuid it to the right user based on who authenticaed
[19:23] <snap-l> Milyardo: That also assumes you're running Apache as root
[19:23] <snap-l> which is generally a bad idea
[19:23] <snap-l> iirc, only root can do that
[19:25] <greg-g> brousch: and after the last couple days, I'm half-qualified (python-excel manipulation)
[19:25] <greg-g> there's supposed to be a few sarcastic exclamation points there !!!!!
[19:25] <rick_h__> Milyardo: once apache starts it drops root to the www-data user on most machines (forget what RH users drop to)
[19:25] <rick_h__> and runs from there as the web user
[19:25] <jrwren> suexec does exactly that, but based on file owner not as authenticaed user.
[19:25] <rick_h__> with the limited permissions
[19:26] <jrwren> Milyardo: I'd write a separate service that handles the perms, run that service, then let me web front end talk to the security service.
[19:26] <Milyardo> rick_h__: Thats what I thought, and was jsut double checking that
[19:26] <snap-l> I tihnk RH uses apache
[19:27] <rick_h__> yea, and the thing that runs the service, lock it down like a #@$%#@$%#@
[19:27] <snap-l> (as the user)
[19:27] <rick_h__> with no outside access, limited bin access, etc
[19:27] <snap-l> I'd recommend using chroots
[19:27] <snap-l> We used FUSE at Sourceforge
[19:27] <snap-l> (as well)
[19:27] <jrwren> yes to all of the above. :)
[19:29] <snap-l> http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourceforge/files/project-perms/
[19:30] <snap-l> htat's got the mods for fuse that SF used
[19:30] <Milyardo> Well the application I'm trying to change the uid of is gitweb, I was hoping to be able to have apache do the setuid so the authenicated user wouldn't be able to view git repo's they don't have the file permissions to read
[19:31] <snap-l> Wouldn't gitorious handle that?
[19:31] <rick_h__> Milyardo: check out golite
[19:31] <rick_h__> sorry, that's for gitosis
[19:31] <snap-l> Bah, gitosis
[19:31] <Milyardo> Gitorious uses different SSH keys to differ users, the process still runs all as the same suer
[19:32] <Milyardo> err yeah gitosis
[19:32] <snap-l> I don't know why my brain is wired to use gitorious as a synonym for gitosis
[19:33] <snap-l> Milyardo: Check into the project auth foo on SF.net
[19:33] <Milyardo> rick_h__: not finding anything relevent when I google golite
[19:33] <snap-l> seriously, they did something very much like that
[19:33] <rick_h__> https://github.com/sitaramc/gitolite
[19:33] <rick_h__> sorry, that's the link
[19:33] <rick_h__> easy to sync gitweb (http) authorisation with gitolite's access config
[19:33] <rick_h__> that's what you want
[19:33] <Milyardo> Well I did see that Sun had a mod_user that does exactly what I'm looking for
[19:34] <Milyardo> but their apache mod seems to only build on Solaris and Sun OS
[19:34] <snap-l> Milyardo: thing is, if you decouple the web server from the piece that's doing the work, you won't have to worry as much when someone compromises the web server
[19:35] <rick_h__> or go redmine and lock down the projects per user while enabling the repository browsing
[19:37] <snap-l> Milyardo: What are you worried will get out to someone without proper auth?
[19:38] <Milyardo> snap-l: Nothing really, just more a convience thing, wanted users to be able to browse thier private repositories
[19:38] <Milyardo> I could use mod_user_dir
[19:38] <Milyardo> that changes the uid
[19:39] <rick_h__> not using gitosis for the server side already?
[19:39] <jrwren> different from mod_userdir?
[19:39] <Milyardo> Nope, this is purely for broswsing which is why I didn't think gitosis was appropriate
[19:39] <snap-l> Oh hell no
[19:39] <snap-l> Use gitosis
[19:40] <snap-l> seriously. It's hand-to-glove if you have a centralized server.
[19:40] <rick_h__> well how are the git repos accessed now?
[19:41] <rick_h__> just via ssh under a shared account or something?
[19:44] <Milyardo> well each user a a folder called public in their home directory which is readable by www-data
[19:45] <Milyardo> any repository in public appears in gitweb
[19:48] <Milyardo> They push and pull to the directories with ssh, and only use gitweb for browsing
[19:52] <rick_h__> https://twitter.com/#!/tarek_ziade/status/68025021645332480
[19:52] <rick_h__> this is why I follow twitter, it makes me smile sometimes
[19:53] <snap-l> rick_h__: heh
[19:58] <brousch> awesome. i have an android app that brings up a google map and custom marker that follows my gps location
[19:58] <brousch> phonegap ftw
[19:58] <rick_h__> cool?
[19:58] <rick_h__> lol, my consulting fee is only $1,000,000
[19:58] <snap-l> That's awesome.
[19:58]  * rick_h__ points pinky to lips
[19:59] <brousch> one more thing to do and this app will be usable for something
[20:04] <snap-l> now we know where to DDOS to knock greg-g offline. ;)
[20:05] <brousch> make sad?
[20:07] <greg-g> dang cloak not being there!
[20:07] <snap-l> muhahahaha
[20:07] <greg-g> yeah, a shared colo box
[20:07] <brousch> oh man, that's beautiful. google pretty much did the work for me
[20:34] <snap-l> Hey, now we're cooking with gas on the Java front
[20:34] <rick_h__> FIRE FIRE!!!
[20:34] <snap-l> Exception in thread "main" com.sun.xml.ws.wsdl.parser.InaccessibleWSDLException: 2 counts of InaccessibleWSDLException.
[20:35] <snap-l> I think I'm going to need to go to the store to get some more buckes of cocks for JAva to choke on.
[20:37] <rick_h__> http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/05/app-engine-150-release.html
[20:40] <snap-l> People still use Google App Engine?
[20:40] <brousch> i do!
[20:40] <rick_h__> now you can use Go
[20:40] <snap-l> Just seemed liek it was the new hotness until Amazon EC2
[20:40] <brousch> or i could use python!
[20:40] <snap-l> and then it just fizzled
[20:47] <snap-l> PainBank1: thanks for telling me about Ohloh. ;)
[20:48] <rick_h__> huh?
[20:48] <snap-l> He sent me a note to claim my Busy Busy Bugs source
[20:49] <PainBank> hehe
[20:49] <PainBank> glad you liked it.
[20:49] <PainBank> not that I am stalking you... :)
[20:50] <PainBank> snap-l: I saw that site a long time ago and thought it was cool, so I signed up for it just as a reminder of cool FLOSS apps I come across...
[20:51] <PainBank> then saw it today and for whatever reason saw your name on there or did a search, forget which... but it had you tracked as an OSS dev having committed code.
[20:51] <PainBank> it is sort of like an idea I had how cool it would be to show off how much code you have committed in the past to OSS.
[20:53] <PainBank> ugh
[20:57] <snap-l> PainBank: Yeah, I'm familiar with ohloh
[20:57] <snap-l> used to be owned by geeknet. ;)
[20:58] <rick_h__> did we ever hear why they bought them?
[20:59] <snap-l> stupidity
[20:59] <PainBank> hehe
[20:59] <PainBank> it's a cool concept.
[20:59] <snap-l> The CEO later regarded it as a pretty dumb move
[20:59] <PainBank> geeknet ceo?
[21:00] <snap-l> yeah
[21:00] <snap-l> It really didn't make much sense, overall
[21:00] <PainBank> is there not way for that site to make money, is that it?
[21:02] <snap-l> I think it was a question of what exactly were we going to do with it
[21:02] <snap-l> I mean, there's interesting data, but not really useful data.
[21:02] <snap-l> Is it any secret that Mozilla receives a lot of commits?
[21:03] <snap-l> It didn't enhance search any
[21:03] <greg-g> "the page of Greg" http://www.lib.umich.edu/copyright/copyright-office-outreach-presentations-and-events
[21:03] <rick_h__> wow, nice schedule you have there
[21:04] <rick_h__> FL eh?
[21:04]  * rick_h__ gets the big suitcase he fits into
[21:04] <snap-l> I think there was some thought that maybe there would be some overlap of technology
[21:04] <rick_h__> you might get charged a bit extra for this bag
[21:04] <greg-g> rick_h__: :)
[21:04] <snap-l> but in the end, it wasn't anything seful.
[21:04] <snap-l> useful, even
[21:04] <PainBank> hmm.
[21:05] <PainBank> meh... cool
[21:07] <snap-l> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/nintendo3ds
[21:08] <snap-l> OK, normally I think this sort of thing is childish, but a small part of me thinks this might be effective.
[21:08] <PainBank> I think the link says it all.
[21:08] <snap-l> As long as it doesn't get out of hand
[21:10] <snap-l> Oh this is precious:
[21:10] <snap-l>  I will send payment by check, non-PayPal credit card, or bitcoin (instructions will appear on the confirmation page).
[21:12] <greg-g> yeah, they're accepting bitcoin :)
[21:12] <snap-l> I'm not familiar with how bitcoin works
[21:12] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 just got a bitcoin tutorial from a friend of ours
[21:13] <_stink_> ask him
[21:14] <_stink_> or just ask chris200x9
[21:17] <PainBank> I'll sell you some bits
[21:17] <snap-l> Um, it's an economy of signed keys
[21:17] <PainBank> damn
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> they make magic dollars
[21:17] <snap-l> Curious how one would turn a bitcoin into real money
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> or something
[21:17] <ColonelPanic001> you sell them to people that would buy them
[21:18] <snap-l> Yeah, the principles behind it are like selling confederate money
[21:18] <PainBank> haha put googlie eyes on em!
[21:18] <ColonelPanic001> chris200x9 will buy up all the bit coins you could want to sell.
[21:18] <chris200x9> snap-l, mtgox.com
[21:18] <_stink_> yeah
[21:18] <chris200x9> or #bitcoin-otc
[21:19] <_stink_> that URL is awesome.
[21:19] <chris200x9> at last check they were going for $5
[21:19] <snap-l> This is insanely more complicated than Paypal. ;)
[21:19] <chris200x9> not really
[21:19] <chris200x9> you can start by
[21:20] <chris200x9> mybitcoin.com
[21:20] <rick_h__> greg-g: what happened with all that job stuff?
[21:20] <chris200x9> it's a web based wallet if you don't want to download anything
[21:20] <snap-l> At some point, someone has to get access to some real $$ in order to pay me
[21:20] <snap-l> so I need to give them a credit card or something
[21:20] <_stink_> it's just like federal reserve notes!
[21:21] <chris200x9> they can transfer paypal
[21:21] <chris200x9> or
[21:21] <_stink_> backed by the full faith and credit of the internets
[21:21] <chris200x9> check out ubitex.org i think is the url
[21:21] <chris200x9> for in person cash deals
[21:21] <chris200x9> with people in the area
[21:21] <snap-l> I mean, I'm intrigued and repulsed at the same time
[21:22] <ColonelPanic001> same
[21:22] <chris200x9> why are you repulsed?
[21:22] <snap-l> chris200x9: Natural reaction to different ways of spending money
[21:22] <snap-l> I got this way with credit cards back in the 1990s
[21:22] <snap-l> (on the internet)
[21:23] <snap-l> Just different
[21:24] <snap-l> I think this is a very interesting concept, but it's a different (more raw) way of thinking about commerce
[21:24] <chris200x9> no transaction fees!
[21:24] <chris200x9> but brb
[21:25] <snap-l> Ah, interesting. nanotube is an op on the bitcoin-otc channel
[21:26] <snap-l> He's a regular on the sourceforge channel
[21:27] <snap-l> Very interesting. I'll need to do some more research
[21:27] <rick_h__>  there was a podcast episode about it, think I happened to run across a security now episode on bitcoin
[21:28] <rick_h__> http://twit.tv/sn287 snap-l
[21:28] <snap-l> rick_h__: Thanks!
[21:29] <ColonelPanic001> Linux needs more/better screensavers
[21:29] <rick_h__> what's a screensaver?
[21:29] <rick_h__> and why do we need one?
[21:29] <ColonelPanic001> it's what I use to make things pretty on my desk while I go take a leak
[21:29] <PainBank> to save boob-tubes or just boobs
[21:30] <rick_h__> I thought that's what the black power save mode was for?
[21:30] <PainBank> hmm... a screensaver image is coming to mind
[21:30] <ColonelPanic001> no way. Saving power is secondary to making my monitors look neat
[21:30] <PainBank> rick_h__: are you canadian?
[21:31] <rick_h__> PainBank: nope
[21:31] <PainBank> oh, well, get with the program.  ColonelPanic001 is on it!
[21:53] <Milyardo> I have a pretty awesome screensaver, its called World of Warcraft
[21:59] <waldo323> running under wine?
[22:00] <Blazeix> hm, is anti-screensaver sentiment a canadian trait?
[22:01] <rick_h__> guess so Blazeix, I've let my red-blooded americans down :(
[22:07] <rick_h__> are there places to kill time by new MUG?
[22:07] <snap-l> Well, I'm anti-screensaver
[22:08] <rick_h__> thinking I want to get out of the office, ugh
[22:08] <rick_h__> looks like a biggby down the street, maybe I'll try that
[22:11] <waldo323> mug tonight?
[22:11] <snap-l> yep
[22:11] <waldo323> really
[22:11] <waldo323> will it be any good
[22:12] <rick_h__> probably not, first one I'm going to this year so the building will set fire or something :P
[22:12] <snap-l> Of course
[22:12] <snap-l> I'll be presenting
[22:12] <rick_h__> or that
[22:13] <snap-l> and rick_h__ will unveil the covers of Bookie
[22:13] <snap-l> so if you want to get under the covers, come to MUG
[22:14] <rick_h__> now you're just setting up for disappointment
[22:15] <waldo323> heading out
[22:15] <waldo323> see you at mug
[22:15] <rick_h__> what time does it open up?
[22:16] <waldo323> 6 I assume
[22:16] <waldo323> but i haven't been able to get there that early yet
[22:16] <rick_h__> gotcha
[22:16] <snap-l> Me either