[03:02] JontheEchidna: are you just bouncing or, are you around? === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [06:29] \o [06:53] DarkwingDuck: connection was bouncing while I was asleep [08:12] bambee: are you about for the session in an hour? [08:16] jtechidna: you about? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [08:16] DarkwingDuck: yup [08:16] oggy oggy oggy [08:16] JontheEchidna: correct me if I'm off at all with this.... http://www.wonderly.com/2011/05/muon-kde-package-manager-and-software-center/ [08:16] there's nothign like the smell of kernel panics in the morning [08:17] :D [08:17] DarkwingDuck: looks accurate [08:18] publicity++ [08:18] shadeslayer_: wakey wakey! [08:18] JontheEchidna: I have not figured out the useage for the cli part of it yet otherwise I would have added that. [08:19] or any packagers about that could throw something into a PPA? (its packaged in a private repo for lucid, I need natty) [08:19] http://icanblink.com/ === amorphous1 is now known as amorphous-UDS-Ta === amorphous-UDS-Ta is now known as amorphous-Tas [08:40] aww [08:42] morning [08:42] o/ [08:52] Would someone please merge avogadro? [08:52] There's a backports request for the new version and (of course) we need to get it into one-eye-ric first. [08:55] ScottK: Jono just gave you major public props [08:55] in the Comm. roundtable [08:56] since you are awesome, basically [08:57] :D [08:57] I love when our team members get kudos! [08:58] go to #ubuntu-uds-tohotom :P [09:17] valorie: He did? === cmagina is now known as cmagina-uds [09:29] * ScottK heard from lex79 via email. He'll be back ~soon. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:48] actually all kubuntu developers can commit to the kcm-userconfig repository ? [09:52] scottk, he was describing how people are chosen for UDS [09:52] you were mentioned as one person always picked because of so many good comments from the engineers [09:53] THE one person, at least as an example [10:03] Riddell: the whiteboard has been updated ;) [10:03] valorie: Thanks. [10:05] bambee: has it? I don't see a change on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-userconfig [10:08] Riddell: you don't see the whiteboard ? [10:08] wtf ? [10:09] I see items on the whiteboard here? Riddell has a cache issue? [10:09] However I hve no idea what was there before [10:11] it just says "Get it into KDE, KAuth backend, ldap backend" which is what it said before [10:11] whiteboard has: http://paste.ubuntu.com/606057/ [10:11] exactly [10:12] Riddell: as jussi said, you've probably a cache issue... (try with another browser) [10:12] Riddell: are you looking at the description or the whiteboard? [10:12] yofel: aaah [10:12] ^^ [10:12] :D [10:12] scrolldown helps [10:12] ok thanks bambee [10:13] :) [10:13] should I deliver Riddell a cofffee? :D [10:13] +1 :P [10:14] Riddell: all kubuntu devs (who get access to git.k.o) can commit into the repository ? [10:15] bambee: yes, that's a key feature of KDE, anyone with an account can commit anywhere [10:15] (except website and a couple of other areas) [10:15] ok, perfect! [10:15] :) [10:16] some space-saving changes Aurelien and I came up with yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/Ktny6.png [10:17] much less chrome: http://www.wonderly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/muon-package-manager.png [10:18] Riddell: so feel free to the commit the fix about the typo :) [10:18] bambee: I did [10:19] it's in a KAuth branch [10:19] it took three people to help me commit it [10:19] did i mention I don't like git? [10:19] jussi: http://devel.ag-projects.com/repositories/python-sipsimple/patches/ [10:19] can you pleaes find something different [10:19] Riddell: lool [10:19] :D [10:19] this thing is just grossing me out [10:20] udslogger: :( [10:20] udslogger: you just got talked about because you made some blog post about integrating khelp and web or something? [10:20] jussi: yes [10:21] you could come join us in the docs session in jokai [10:21] jussi: should I be swtiching rooms? cause it is a bit boring here [10:21] Riddell: you're just familiar with bzr but git rocks ! [10:21] It's interesting in the doc session [10:21] udslogger: join us :) [10:21] jussi: gee, other side of the flipping hotel [10:21] ... [10:21] meh. [10:21] LOL [10:21] come anyway [10:22] its not _that_ far [10:22] It's bouncing and it's lagging again I think. [10:23] udslogger: are you comig? [10:24] he is here!! [10:25] Whois the chick that is talking? [10:27] the chick? [10:29] in the GLES session, is anyone there to discuss Kwin? [10:29] these seem like very thoughtful people [10:30] impressive after the U1 team [10:32] yes, Quintasan, Riddell and myself are in here [10:32] harald was but he left [10:33] :-) [10:33] haven't heard your voices [10:33] They did not even remotely touched KWin [10:33] they've been droning on about compiz [10:33] bring it up! [10:33] When they start talking about KWin we can actually ask something :P [10:34] jussi: this is why I want to take a different approach for help.kubuntu then the help.ubunut side of things. [10:34] looks like they're wraping up compiz [10:37] * valorie pokes 'em [10:40] yofel: It's either my internets or your core is going apeshit all of sudden [10:40] agateau: this looks much better, thanks for the suggestions: http://i.imgur.com/c0ph2.png [10:40] I blame you [10:43] I still say the Section: field is such a bad way or organise anything [10:43] JontheEchidna: congrats for muon btw :D [10:44] debtags are probably superior [10:45] * udslogger has an insane headache [10:45] in me head [10:45] I think it is doing the exploding [10:45] cool story uds [10:45] udslogger: [10:45] :D [10:45] udslogger: are you still in doc session? [10:46] yes [10:46] with me headache [10:46] udslogger: I'll try not to make our doc session tomorrow so bloody dry. :) [10:46] oh c'mon [10:46] it is cool, I could like sleep [10:47] that would be nice [10:47] actually [10:49] jussi: ! [10:50] rock on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:50] JontheEchidna: sup dawg? [10:50] hahah [10:50] udslogger: finally got to kwin in here [10:50] lol [10:50] hey, anyone coming to the blind thing tonight? they have some places leftover still [10:50] JontheEchidna: are they making babies with kwin or something [10:51] we're talking about action items for gles in oneiric [10:51] if anyone wants, let me or pleia2 know [10:52] JontheEchidna: so is linaro doing kwingles? [10:52] cause you know, all the work we do not need to do equals time we can spend on .prn or something [10:54] Well, that was a good session for me because as we build kubuntu stuff I have a base of what do to and what not to do. [10:58] I've started sneezing, so I've taken the nyquil [10:58] and will fade for the night [10:58] my grand plans for attending all sessions ...... [10:58] shrunken [11:00] I'm having trouble running gtk-gnutella on a new install of Kubuntu 11.04 if the them is set to oxygen-gtk but works fine with qtcurve [11:56] hi ppl [11:56] i got problem with my kubuntu 11.04 [11:56] whan try to resize window [11:57] system freeze when you resize konsole? [11:57] look like 2093847293847 dots on my screan [11:57] nop [11:57] anythink [11:57] whan try to resize [11:57] and not freez [11:57] like driver broke [11:58] odd, we have a known issue with nvidia + konsole + xserver 1.10 + resizing, but that seems to be limited to konsole [11:58] but whan play movie in full screan its ok [11:58] i can watch [11:58] I would file a bug against the driver [11:58] and i install binary driver [11:58] from nvidia site [11:58] yofel: Yeah, I noticed that with konsole and resize as well... [11:59] yeah, that's but760632 [11:59] ill not gat freez system just 293847293847 dots on my screan [11:59] bug 760632 [11:59] Launchpad bug 760632 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Resizing Konsole crashes the whole system" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760632 [11:59] mikisid_: well, it's not only a freeze but screen corruption too in some cases [12:00] lol i cant reed that now [12:00] :D [12:00] anyway, if you used the driver from the nvidia site use the nvidia-bug-report.sh that's shipped and file a report in their linux forum [12:00] yofel: I nothing useful to add except it does it with 11.04 64bit [12:00] DarkwingDuck: it's a known issue (to nvidia too) [12:01] lol what to do now [12:01] yofel: Yeah, i'm reading that... But, why did it only just show up in 11.04? 10.10 was fine [12:01] i cant use system [12:01] it's a combination of nvidia 270 + xserver 1.10 that's causing it [12:01] mikisid_: remove the nvidia driver then and try nouveau [12:01] Hmmz. [12:01] it's a driver issue [12:01] ok [12:02] but i can ply all my movies normaly [12:02] in full scran [12:02] dont got any issue [12:02] well, it breaks kwin, not the video playback [12:03] oh yea [12:03] :D [12:03] I have no other issues with nvidia though. [12:03] you should have some NVRM errors in dmesg though if you have the same issue [12:03] me neither, and since I don't use konsole much (and don't resize it) it works fine for me [12:04] i actually use it quite a bit till I find a better terminal app [12:04] * yofel uses yakuake and never resizes it [12:05] * DarkwingDuck is going to try yakuake [12:05] drop-down terminal using konsole kpart [12:06] just to removie all nvidia binary package and sat nouveau [12:06] ? [12:06] mikisid_: let's move this to #kubuntu [12:08] yofel: okay, I'm sold. [12:08] ^^ [12:08] It's actually quite nice. [12:16] lol with nouveau driver cant gat desktop effects :D [12:16] look like thats drivers problem [12:19] * yofel wonders if he reinstalled the X packages as he told him.. [13:03] did i mention I don't like git? [13:03] of course he doesn't :P === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [13:18] so, let's see what's left to listen to today.. [13:19] where did the ubiquity session move to o.O? [13:20] guess I'll listen to apport and prelinking then === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === rbelem_ is now known as rbelem [13:31] afiestas: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdelibs/ubuntu kdelibs [13:31] afiestas: essentially replace kdelibs with other upstream names for packages [13:31] then you can find the patches in kdelibs/debian/patches [13:32] afiestas: usually kubuntu packages have a kubuntu_ prefix, those that do not are from debian [13:32] udslogger <----- stupid [13:32] afiestas: code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers [13:35] udslogger: ping [13:35] udslogger: where is you? [13:35] jussi: next to Quintasan and JontheEchidna [13:35] in the lobby [13:35] and that would be where? [13:35] oh [13:35] jussi: in Lobby [13:35] Im coming out. [13:35] o god, hide [13:35] ;-P [13:46] yofel: ubiquity session moved to tomorrow at 17:05 [13:50] udslogger: http://www.afiestas.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/actionSearch.ogv [13:53] bambee: thanks [13:53] yofel: ;) [13:55] can we upgrade to oneiric btw ? I mean, some packages have been uploaded already ? [13:56] sure, go to /etc/apt/sources.list and s/natty/oneiric/ [13:56] no other way till alpha1 [13:56] ok [13:56] but there's not much point to upgrade from our point of view anyway (at least for the next 2 weeks) [13:56] I did and have a ton of held packages [13:59] wow 261 updates o_O [14:06] yofel: I wait until the alpha1, I think [14:07] or until it's required for us [14:14] http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-arm-innovation [14:22] jussi: currently there is a session about that ? [14:23] Unity in Kubuntu - yupieeeeeee! [14:23] yeah, blame udslogger [14:23] udslogger you made my day! :) [14:26] bambee: an informal unplanned session [14:26] ohh [14:35] what? unity in kubuntu? [14:44] so from udslogger's facebook Kubuntu is switching over to Unity, if this is true can someone please explain why? why would we move so far away from KDE [14:49] jjesse: it was a joke from one of the sessions. [14:49] yay [14:50] We were talking about defaults. [14:50] Staying with Rekonq ect [14:50] i saw that muon is going to be default [14:50] which means i need to finish the help doc [14:50] for JontheEchidna [14:50] jjesse: youre working on the muon doc? [14:50] i've started one [14:51] tomorrow (Tonight here in the states) We are having a documentation review/plans [14:51] what time? [14:52] one sec, lemme double check [14:52] DarkwingDuck https://code.launchpad.net/~jjesse/muon/doc [14:52] just started to work on it again [14:52] 2am california time [14:53] argh that would be 5am my time? [14:53] might be able to do it as i'm on the road [14:53] it's amost 7 my time so it's almost 10 there? [14:53] yeah i'm 3 hours different [14:53] its 9:53am [14:53] me nods [14:53] yeah, so it starts at 5a your time. [14:54] ouch i'll try to set my alarm [14:54] :D [14:54] I've been doing the graveyard thing. [14:54] nice [14:54] It's been good. [14:55] jjesse: I can always call you :P [14:55] so anyways i need to figure out how to document muon and get it into the project [14:55] * DarkwingDuck nods [14:56] then we can just reference that in the kubuntu-docs section [14:57] I think...Why don't we just put what we need in teh manage-software section? [14:57] because if you go to help -> muon or help -> whatever the manual is missing [14:57] ahhh, THAT manual [14:58] yup [14:58] I'll take care of the muon part in teh kubuntu-docs [14:58] ok [14:58] JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/60919 [15:00] jjesse: how long has it been since the manuals were reviews? [15:00] jjesse: or is that a upstream issue? [15:01] JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/60925/ [15:01] upstream but i don't know how many manuals are currnet for kde 4.X or wahtever we are on [15:02] jjesse: there are sections for Muon Package Manager and Muon Software Center. they just are not populated. [15:02] Dammit... i think i need to start working on upstream documentation to get this shit right. [15:02] wait hold on, in my Natty box w/ muon installed when i go help -> and then the manuals for all of them they give me errors [15:03] are there actual manuals there? [15:03] currently have no memory left to power on anothe rvm [15:03] Under the khelpcenter the topics are there but, there is nothing inside of them. [15:03] yeah i'm trying to fill them out :) [15:03] That gets uploaded upstream correct? [15:04] correct, direct to muon [15:04] * DarkwingDuck nods [15:04] jjesse: are you an upstream docs committer by any chance? [15:04] nope not yet [15:05] so when we lost nixternal we lost our access to upstream docs. [15:05] [15:05] hahah [15:05] you should just become [15:05] i've sent patches to kde-docs before [15:05] but don't have commit access [15:05] Yeah, I should... [15:06] But, who else upstream does the docs? [15:06] AFAIK it's half dead. [15:06] it is [15:06] * DarkwingDuck soghs [15:06] start emailing the kde-docs mailing list [15:06] *Sighs [15:06] Yeah, we need the support badly. [15:08] Okay, well, that gives some more fun. [15:08] hope i didn't wreck your day [15:08] Naww [15:08] Just going to be a balancing act. [15:09] If only their damn docs were lincenced better. [15:09] Like maybe compatable with CC-BY-SA [15:09] But that was too much to ask for. [15:09] kde docs are stuck in a rut, i don't know if they have a good leadership [15:09] but if someone jumps up and takes control i'm sure they would respect it [15:09] code (docs) talk [15:12] mallard! [15:13] where's jte? [15:13] JontheEchidna: oi [15:13] oggy oggy oggy [15:13] JontheEchidna: bug 745127 ... which KIO flag do i set? [15:13] Launchpad bug 745127 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Bogus file overwrite error" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745127 [15:14] s/flag/transfer call === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina-uds [15:14] udslogger: actually, I was concidering mallard if upstream would switch. [15:14] udslogger: do you haz neon stickers? [15:14] I want stickerz [15:16] wtf ? [15:16] omg awesome google page today [15:16] shadeslayer: in my pants [15:17] udslogger: good [15:17] udslogger: i'd like to see it on your laptop [15:17] :P [15:17] http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/namespaceKIO.html [15:18] heh, google is funny indeed ^^ [15:18] Damn the sun is bright. [15:18] googl0rd [15:18] shadeslayer: that would be difficult [15:19] why so? [15:21] ScottK: can you still reproduce bug 745127 ? [15:21] Launchpad bug 745127 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Bogus file overwrite error" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745127 [15:21] i can't on rekonq git [15:22] hehehehhehe [15:23] udslogger: bug 643640 looks like a qt bug no? [15:23] Launchpad bug 643640 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "rekonq crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidget::setAttribute()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643640 [15:24] yep .. can't reproduce on rekonq 0.7 as well [15:26] shadeslayer: I can't reproduce it at the moment, but I don't recall if happened all the time or once in a while. [15:27] ScottK: looks like a KIO/kdewebkit bug to me, might have been fixed in subsequent releases [15:28] JontheEchidna mentions in the bug where it needs to be addressed, so maybe he can reassign it. [15:29] yeah ... [15:29] ScottK: did you see my kwin/opengl es spec? [15:29] JontheEchidna: can you investigate bug 745127 further? [15:29] Launchpad bug 745127 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Bogus file overwrite error" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745127 [15:29] JontheEchidna: I did not. Please link me. [15:30] I made it ~10 minutes ago: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-kwin-opengles [15:30] Thanks. [15:31] * shadeslayer notes that both firefox and rekonq like to eat ramz [15:31] Hence why I use chrome [15:31] Chrome doesn't work for me all the time [15:31] i HAVE YET TO HAVE ANY ISSUES [15:31] Oops, caps lock fail [15:32] but then again i have 23 tabs open ... so thats something like 20 MB per tab ... chromium uses something like 17MB per tab [15:32] Then again... My laptop has 8 gigz of the ram stuff. [15:32] So I'm not too worried about. [15:34] shadeslayer: there is a kio transfer in a piece of either the rekonq code or the kde webkit code that doesn't set a flag to automatically overwrite things [15:34] I did post a link to the page where you wil find the flag [15:34] jjesse: we need to schedule a meeting after UDS to figure out a good schedule for both of us for the docs and how we want to walk forward. [15:34] * shadeslayer looks [15:35] JontheEchidna: where? i don't see it on the bug report [15:35] oh on irc [15:35] jjesse: we need more people... You and me plus the occational single person isn't fully cutting it. [15:35] jjesse: we need to come up with something [15:36] Anyway, i can't keep my eyes open. I'll catch you lot tomorrow. [15:36] Goodnight all. [15:36] where is udslogger? [15:36] jussi: Budapest? :P:P [15:36] bah [15:37] I'm thinking walkie-talkies for UDS-P [15:37] Or, GPS locaters [15:37] anyway, night. [15:38] OMG [15:38] udslogger: you look like persia in this pic http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150585375715182&set=a.10150584362205182.683334.821070181&type=1 [15:39] that is persia right? [15:40] JontheEchidna: I accepted it for UDS. It takes a while for it to show up in summit. [15:41] ScottK: thanks [15:48] BTW, I'm not feeling well, so I think I'm going to have to pass on the prelinking session. [15:51] ScottK: http://identi.ca/conversation/70803653#notice-73193209 [15:52] trololollolo [15:52] Sigh. [15:56] session in a couple of minutes [15:58] lul [15:58] JontheEchidna: udslogger makes it look like Kubuntu is moving to unity instead of unity-2d :P [15:59] ugh ... b.k.o is not working [15:59] yeah, someone get udslogger something to drink, maybe he'll be able to talk sense again then [16:12] udslogger: love your question ;) [16:12] udslogger: I'm waiting for the answer to that one :D [16:12] me too, I have another session I should attend to ^^ [16:14] rdieter: hi, do you know anything about prelink and its use in Fedora? === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina-uds === QuintasanUDS is now known as Quintasan [17:18] Riddell: this morning you asked me about the gshadow file. Look at http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/4/html/Introduction_To_System_Administration/s3-acctsgrps-gshadow.html [17:21] thanks === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina-uds [18:00] udslogger: still on the lobby? [18:03] rbelem: piiing? [18:04] afiestas: how's uds? [18:05] mgraesslin: I'm enjoying it very much :p [18:06] I heard you all are using Unity, now [18:06] hehehe :p [18:07] just in case somebody still doesn't know, it was all a "joke" [18:07]