[00:11] <Superdave_> Anyone able to help with first booting live CD? getting the message: 'No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!'
[00:20] <KM0201> Superdave_: first thought, would be a bad burn... try reburning, and burn at the slowest setting your software allows
[00:21] <Superdave__> Ok. Would using the mini iso work better?
[00:23] <KM0201> Superdave__: the mini.iso is a text based installer... downloads a lo tof stuff from the internet, etc
[00:23] <KM0201> i wouldn't say it works better, but it works fine, but it is slower, because it downloads a lo tof stuff from the internet
[00:24] <Superdave__> Hmm. I'm doing a laptop install. What are the chances that it will work with the wireless cards that I have?
[00:25] <KM0201> Superdave__: it depends.. it detects mine no problem (atheros ar5001)
[00:25] <KM0201> i would *THINK* it would probably work fine w/ older Intels as well.. Broadcoms and Ralinks, very unlikely
[00:25] <KM0201> Superdave__: can you cable your laptop to your router temporarily?
[00:26] <KM0201> Superdave__: you also need to understand, the mini.iso, is a text based installer, it doesn't have a friendly GUI like the live cd installer... so thats something to think about as well
[00:27] <Superdave__> It's got no native Ethernet, but I do have a USB adapter that has worked with other distros no problem.
[00:27] <Superdave__> I'm cool with text based
[00:27] <KM0201> Superdave__: just cuz it works "no problem" doesn't necessarily mean its going to work w/ the alt cd.
[00:27] <Superdave__> Yeah, that's what I thought...
[00:29] <Superdave__> I'll work with the live cd.
[00:29] <KM0201> Superdave__: then i would try to reburn the ISO, very slowly.
[00:29] <KM0201> if that doesn't work, download a new ISO...
[00:29] <KM0201> and burn slowly
[00:29] <Superdave__> Ok. Thanks for the help!!
[02:57] <jmarsden> jgould: Ubuntu One support within Lubuntu is minimal-to-nonexistent right now.  It is one possible item for work in the development of Oneiric, the 11.10 release...
[04:16] <ubuntu> is lxde faster than xfce?
[04:23] <palhmbs> ubuntu, faster, & better in many, many ways!
[04:24] <palhmbs> also, xfce doesn't get away from a gdm login - lxde does!!
[04:24] <ubuntu> k
[04:26] <head_victim> jmarsden: I've used UbuntuOne in Lubuntu before. I just installed it and it worked fine.
[04:27] <head_victim> I'm pretty sure I just installed the gnome client though
[07:10] <jmarsden> head_victim: OK.  So I was at least technically correct: "Ubuntu One support within Lubuntu is minimal-to-nonexistent..."  You had to add it from a package that is not part of Lubuntu :)
[07:57] <head_victim> jmarsden: just letting you know it is possible to have it working, just not really integrated. So that's at least a start
[07:58] <jmarsden> Yes, it's good to know.  How many GNOME libraries did adding the GNOME client drag in with it?
[08:06] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm off again. See y'all soon (about 30 mins or so). Aloha!
[08:20] <palhmbs> jmarsden, I've just found out that I have 3D support on my video - what's some neat WM effects that I can do with Openbox / Lubuntu?
[08:21] <jmarsden> palhmbs: None at all, out of the box.  Some folks do add compiz etc etc but that kind of thing is not really a design goal of Lubuntu as far as I know.
[08:22] <palhmbs> ah right - so compiz is the favorite then?
[08:22] <jmarsden> For 3D desktop effects, yes, I think so.  I don't use it myself; the 3Dness in my desktop video card only gets used when I do something that needs it, like 3D CAD :)
[08:23] <palhmbs> 3D CAD? - I'm designing a house, I am so grateful that you mentioned CAD, what app do you recommend?
[08:23] <palhmbs> for architecture?
[08:26] <jmarsden> I do weird 3D stuff for 3D printing ( http://reprap.org )... so I'm not a good person to recommend general purpose CAD software.  You can try freecad, but it is not really a finished product yet...
[08:27] <bioterror> you can run dcompmgr or something and replace lxpanel with docky
[08:27] <bioterror> for example
[08:27] <jmarsden> There is also librecad which I have never tried.
[08:27] <bioterror> I'm not a fan of 3D desktop neither
[08:27] <bioterror> spinning cube just makes me feel dizzy
[08:40] <palhmbs> jmarsden, I've looked at reprap - my dad is a tv & radio technician and HAM operator - I thought he'd be quite interested in reprapping his own parts.
[08:42] <jmarsden> palhmbs: It is a technology with a lot of potential.  I'm a member of the reprap.org core team, although these days I am pretty inactive... it's a lot of fun, and a big challenge to make it actually work at all, although it is a lot easier now than it was a couple of years ago!
[08:44] <palhmbs> jmarsden, sure looks fun - I like the idea fixing broken plastic stuffs with it, like a cog in a video / CD player for example.
[08:44] <palhmbs> the junior reprap is sooo cute
[09:48] <UndiFineD> gilir, is there a blueprint up today ?
[09:48] <MrChrisDruif> Blueprint?
[09:49] <gilir> UndiFineD: nothing specific for Lubuntu
[09:49] <UndiFineD> ok
[11:35] <UndiFineD> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Makes-Lubuntu-Official-Derivative
[11:36] <bioterror> PAAARTTTTIIIIII!!!!
[11:38] <bioterror> http://koti.kapsi.fi/airair/arvaa/dance.gif ;D
[11:41] <koolhead11> hi all
[11:46] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing is official until gilir tells us ;)
[11:57] <MrChrisDruif> Or is that the official announcement?
[12:02] <WiZ> announcement?
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> The Lubuntu is an official derivative
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Makes-Lubuntu-Official-Derivative
[12:04] <WiZ> that's what I thought you were talking about \o/
[12:06] <WiZ> although they say 'Lubuntu is mainly geared toward low-memory computers, such as the Pentium II, which packs a mere 128MB of RAM'
[12:07] <MrChrisDruif> Is it wrong?
[12:09]  * koolhead11 downloading latest ISO of lubuntu 2 give a try :)
[12:16] <bioterror> I DUNNO, BUT I'M PARTYING! ;D
[12:16] <bioterror> ahh.. great job everyone! ;)
[12:20] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Is it official yet? I didn't hear gilir about it here or on the mailing-list
[12:20] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, maybe he's too busy to irc
[12:20] <stlsaint> MrChrisDruif: as of yesterday it was not official
[12:21] <stlsaint> MrChrisDruif: thats if your talking about lubuntu becoming official
[12:21] <MrChrisDruif> stlsaint; I was
[12:27] <stlsaint> aye
[12:49] <head_victim> jmarsden: sorry I didn't have the time to check it then
[12:50] <head_victim> jmarsden: http://paste.ubuntu.com/606119/
[12:56] <pcman> Lubuntu will be an official derivative, is this true?
[13:00] <MrChrisDruif> It will, but the real official announcement has to be made
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, IS IT TRUE?!
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, what linux magazine says
[13:08] <bioterror> gilir, MrChrisDruif is saying it is not
[13:09] <gilir> bioterror: technically, it will be official when the 1st ISO will be available
[13:09] <bioterror> so it is true!
[13:10] <bioterror> \o/
[13:10] <gilir> so, unless we have big problems since this, it's true :)
[13:10] <gilir> since / until
[13:11] <bioterror> I think it wont be a problem to upload couple of iso images
[13:11] <bioterror> as we now have that 64bit version too :--)
[13:11] <MrChrisDruif> What am I doing?
[13:12] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; It's not tested yet ;)
[13:14] <WiZ> well done!
[13:15] <pcman> gilir: congratulations!
[13:15] <pcman> well done!
[13:15] <gilir> thank you pcman :)
[13:16] <gilir> pcman: it was possible because you worked hard on pcmanfm/LXDE, so I should thank you first :)
[13:19] <pcman> gilir: developers are still lacking so far. :-(
[13:20] <gilir> pcman: yeah :( Hopefully, with Lubuntu offcial, we may have more contributions
[13:21] <WiZ> :)
[13:21] <bioterror> some ubuntu developers defects to lubuntu ;)
[13:21] <pcman> :)
[13:21] <bioterror> "ooohhh this new derivate, so promising!"
[13:22] <gilir> pcman: I'll try also to be more involved in LXDE developements in the next weeks  :)
[13:22] <pcman> gilir: thanks
[13:22] <bioterror> gilir, have you tried midori web browser?
[13:22] <pcman> gilir: the dir tree is 90% finished now.
[13:23] <gilir> bioterror:  I don't expect miracles so far, but who knows ? ;)
[13:23] <gilir> pcman: great news :)
[13:23] <pcman> gilir: so except for file searching, the last missing feature from the old pcmanfm 0.5 series will be available.
[13:24] <gilir> pcman: also, do you plan to add plugins system in short / medium term ?
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: it's planned
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: I saw your TODO
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: I don't have time yet to design APIs
[13:24] <gilir> pcman: ok, no problem :)
[13:24] <pcman> gilir: loading modules on startup is not very difficult.
[13:25] <pcman> gilir: the problem is how they interact with the main program.
[13:25] <gilir> pcman: plugins are not a high priority so far
[13:26] <gilir> pcman: yes, it's important to take some time to design a clean API
[13:26] <pcman> gilir: the plugin support for lxappearance, for example, is a dirty hack.
[13:26] <pcman> gilir: this cannot happen in the file manager
[13:27] <pcman> gilir: in my plan, we can have a plugin showing desktop panels.
[13:27] <pcman> gilir: so the desktop panel runs in the same process with the file manager.
[13:27] <gilir> pcman: it's an interesting feature :)
[13:28] <pcman> gilir: actually I want to make a new desktop panel.
[13:28] <pcman> gilir: a more modern, cleaner, and less buggy one.
[13:31] <gilir> pcman: but first, you need to finish the files manager :)
[13:31] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:32] <bioterror> is it possible to remove launcher (alt+f2) from lxpanel and add it somehow into openbox keybinding?
[13:32] <bioterror> I remember it was so
[13:32] <pcman> gilir: true
[13:32] <bioterror> :-)
[13:32] <pcman> gilir: I'm not able to do all of these at the same time.
[13:33] <gilir> pcman: of course, I'm aware of that :)
[13:34] <gilir> pcman: concerning the pcmanfm, do you still need the copy of exo inside libfm ?
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: yes
[13:35] <gilir> pcman: because near in the furture, we should investigate GTK3 migration, and exo is a big piece
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: it's for the icon view.
[13:35] <gilir> pcman: you can't use the standart exo library ?
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: that's not a problem by using macros
[13:35] <pcman> gilir: I only need one object in that lib.
[13:36] <pcman> gilir: it's no need to link the whole lib and it's dependencies.
[13:36] <pcman> gilir: the migration can be done with compatibility macros IMO.
[13:36] <gilir> arf that's quite big for only 1 object :/
[13:37] <pcman> gilir: the icon view in exo implements something gtk+ itself doesn't provide.
[13:37] <gilir> pcman: not sure it's possible for 100% of the code
[13:37] <pcman> gilir: I think it's possible most of the time.
[13:38] <WiZ> lol
[13:41] <stlsaint> gilir: sup
[13:41] <pcman> btw, I got an idea
[13:42] <pcman> is it possible to add messages to apt-get and synaptic to tell others , removing 'lubuntu-desktop' won't remove its dependencies?
[13:42] <pcman> I think this is one of the top one FAQs.
[13:43] <pcman> the 'lubuntu-desktop' will be removed prompt from package manager does confuses many users.
[13:43] <gilir> pcman: we probably have this problem solved in the next days/weeks, with the official build
[13:44] <pcman> gilir: oh?
[13:45] <koolhead11> woahh so non selected lang packs gets deleted. nice
[13:45] <gilir> pcman: we will remove the hard depends between lubuntu-desktop and others packages
[13:46] <koolhead11> gilir, congrats!!
[13:46] <gilir> it was because our scripts use it to build ISO
[15:14] <cjohnston> awfully nice of omg to make the announcement for lubuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/lubuntu-made-official-ubuntu-derivative/
[15:20] <phillw> cjohnston: it was on the linux magazine 1st. The news broke yesterday, but Julien had not had chance to make a release note.
[15:21] <cjohnston> I see that too
[15:21] <phillw> Excellent news regardless as to how it was released :D
[15:31] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[15:32] <kosaidpo> i wanna install the last card driver the non-free one for ati readon any guid to recomend ?? tnx
[16:26] <gnewb> I just tried apt-get update , it did not work, then I used KPackage kit/? and it did, Lubuntu 10.04, was I in error?
[16:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> thanks and congrats all for helping us in bringing lubuntu official
[17:04] <kosaidpo> CONGRATULATION GUYS
[17:09] <gnewb> Congratz
[17:57] <jonathan_> hi
[17:58] <jonathan_> hi lubuntu
[17:58] <lubuntu> hi jonathan :)
[17:58] <jonathan_> booted from the live iso?
[17:59] <lubuntu> usb stick ;)
[17:59] <lubuntu> I'm installing on my notebook.
[17:59] <jonathan_> I installed yesterday
[18:00] <jonathan_> do you know how much of the cpu xorg usually takes?
[18:00] <lubuntu> I was trying casper but it doesn't work with lubuntu :'( and other flavours have graphic issue.
[18:00] <jonathan_> it's taking betwen 12 and 20% of my cpu constantly
[18:01] <jonathan_> that doesn't seem right
[18:01] <lubuntu> I don't know :(
[18:03] <lubuntu> tomorrow I need to install ubuntu on a 8-core with 48GB... I'm thinking about lubuntu with NIS and NFS :)
[18:03] <lubuntu> Oh, I have to restart... bye bye
[18:03] <jonathan_> bye
[18:04] <jonathan_> any developers around?
[18:08] <rob0917> is ubuntu officially supporting lubuntu now?
[18:09] <jonathan_> no
[18:09] <jonathan_> 11.10 and on
[18:09] <rob0917> ok
[18:09] <rob0917> but it is in the works
[18:09] <jonathan_> yes
[18:09] <rob0917> good
[20:51] <Unit193> Howdy Salvatos ;)
[20:51] <Salvatos> Hi :)
[20:52] <Unit193> Yet another good choice!
[20:52] <Salvatos> I'm looking for info but the site is loading incredibly slowly; I'm mostly wondering if I can run lubuntu on a persistent USB
[20:55] <Unit193> Lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE (And some change in default apps) so you can do it
[20:55] <Unit193> !usb | Salvatos
[20:56] <Salvatos> Ah, thanks :)
[20:56] <Salvatos> I've tried PuppyLinux but it felt bloated, yet a bit limiting, so I'm looking for other options
[20:57] <bioterror> Salvatos, I booted lubuntu CD, waited for desktop to load, insert usb stick in and install lubuntu into that stick
[20:57] <bioterror> and remember to use ext2 with USB
[20:58] <Salvatos> I'm going to need to install directly on the USB, though, my CD burner is pretty much dead
[20:59] <bioterror> that way I can even upgrade it without a problem
[21:13] <cjohnston> 64 bit.. yay
[21:14] <bioterror> that site is giving it to me really slow
[21:14] <bioterror> been leeching it for over 2 hours
[21:20] <Unit193> bioterror: From the torrent?
[21:20] <bioterror> from that webpage
[21:20] <bioterror> torrent could be faster by now
[21:21] <cjohnston> Unit193: is there a 64bit torrent yet?
[21:21] <bioterror> yes
[21:21] <bioterror> look for mailing list
[21:21] <cjohnston> if so I'll serve it
[21:21] <cjohnston> ok
[21:23] <bioterror> I'll put ^C for the wget
[21:25] <cjohnston> who has access to add the link to the torrent on the site?
[21:27] <Unit193> It's best to test it first (I would think so anyway)
[21:28] <cjohnston> true
[21:46] <phillw> bioterror: if the 64 bit checks out okay, pop it onto my server area. Thanks.
[21:47] <bioterror> haaaa
[21:47] <bioterror> torrent is even slower
[21:47] <bioterror> maybe tomorrow then
[22:17] <palhmbs> it there a left-right audio balance app?
[22:17] <palhmbs> I haven't found the balance using alsamixer :(
[22:18] <Salvatos> Wouldn't it be the slider under the Front entry?
[22:24] <palhmbs> Salvatos, Front entry, <-- is that on the menu or panel or what?
[22:25] <Salvatos> Well as soon as I launch ALSA I get a bunch of possible outputs (Master, Headphones, PCM, Front, Surround...)
[22:25] <Salvatos> Each has a volume slider (vertical), and some have a balance slider underneath
[22:26] <palhmbs> oh wait! - Audacious has it built-in - doh!
[22:26] <palhmbs> how noob of me, my apologies
[22:26] <Salvatos> No problem :)
[23:23] <LAcan> so I wrote a bash script that moves a rather lrge file over a slow network connection. does anyone know how I can get the script to open the gui 'moving file' dialogue that shows a progress meter?