[01:13] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[01:14] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:
[01:29] <froq> hello
[06:16] <Captainkrtek> hello
[06:20] <Captainkrtek> any mentors around?
[06:20] <Captainkrtek> or guides
[06:23] <Captainkrtek> hello nit-wit
[06:24] <nit-wit> Captainkrtek, hello
[06:25] <nit-wit> nobody nar-wailing here eh lol feels more comfy ;)
[06:25] <Captainkrtek> haha
[06:37] <[styx]> Captainkrtek from andirc?
[06:37] <Captainkrtek> yes sir :)
[06:37] <[styx]> Yay!
[06:37] <[styx]> Lol
[06:37] <Captainkrtek> good to see another face around here
[06:37] <[styx]> Lol
[06:37] <[styx]> Yeah
[06:38] <[styx]> The people here a re real great to ubuntu noobs
[06:38] <[styx]> <---
[06:38] <Captainkrtek> If you need any help let me know :)
[06:38] <[styx]> Ok
[06:38] <[styx]> I really need to get on and irc more
[06:38] <[styx]> Always forget lol
[06:39] <[styx]> And I don't have any chans to go to
[06:44] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[06:44] <jbicha> hi
[06:46] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, you summoned me
[06:46] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, for a mystical reason, I'm usually sleeping around 3am ;)
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> lol
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> wasnt 3am here
[06:47] <Error404NotFound> when i boot inti ubuntu half the time my mouse dont work
[06:48] <bioterror> really
[06:48] <Error404NotFound> i have to reboot
[06:48] <bioterror> something broken with the evdev then, I assume
[06:48] <bioterror> try another usb port ;)
[06:48] <Error404NotFound> whatever that is loll
[06:49] <Error404NotFound> ill have to try that
[06:49] <Error404NotFound> doesnt do it in windows
[06:50] <bioterror> ol good windows
[06:50] <bioterror> works like a charm
[06:50] <Error404NotFound> ive had better luck with windows than ubuntu
[06:51] <bioterror> ahhh I love when someone uses word than correctly
[06:51] <Error404NotFound> lol
[06:51] <bioterror> mostly people uses word "then" when they should say "than"
[06:51] <bioterror> I blame americans!
[06:51] <Error404NotFound> i gave up caring about proper spelling and use f words along time ago
[06:52] <Error404NotFound> im american
[06:52] <nit-wit> Error404NotFound, me to lol
[06:52] <JackyAlcine> Lmfaooo
[06:52] <JackyAlcine> This made me crack up, oh man.
[06:52] <Error404NotFound> no wai
[06:53] <Error404NotFound> man i hate sony!
[06:53] <bioterror> I like my phone and my bravia
[06:53] <Error404NotFound> im talking playstation network
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> been down for weeks
[06:54] <bioterror> yes
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> im having battlefield withdrawls
[06:54] <bioterror> but you get two free games for PS3 and 4 for that portable device
[06:54] <Error404NotFound> who says>?
[06:55] <Error404NotFound> all they said was ps plus for like a month
[06:55] <Error404NotFound> and free dl's
[06:55] <bioterror> sony says
[06:56] <bioterror> but that's offtopic
[06:56] <Error404NotFound> im on their site now
[06:56] <bioterror> we can discuss about these things on #ubuntu-beginners-team
[06:56] <Error404NotFound> ive lived on this website since psn went down
[06:58] <bioterror> does it now make sense?
[06:58] <bioterror> oh
[06:59] <bioterror> Wed08:59 <+bioterror> does it now make sense?
[06:59] <bioterror> asdasdas
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> I need help; the latest version of compiz keeps crashing.
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> Is there a way for me to use a older version?
[07:02] <bioterror> disable it! ;)
[07:02] <Error404NotFound> id use a hammer
[07:02] <bioterror> I assume you're running 11.04, right JackyAlcine
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> No, I kinda need it to use/debug Unity.
[07:03] <keithtoo> what kind of crash?
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> It's a segmentation fault; each time.
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> Want a dump?
[07:03] <keithtoo> nvidia drivers?
[07:03] <JackyAlcine> And yeah; well I'm in the process of upgrading to.
[07:04] <JackyAlcine> And yeah.
[07:04] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, have you backtraced?
[07:04] <keithtoo> yep - been chasing that bug myself for the last 3 weeks
[07:04] <keithtoo> ends up in glcore.so
[07:04] <JackyAlcine> Hmm, never ran gdb on it.
[07:04] <bioterror> hahaha
[07:05] <bioterror> maybe you should?
[07:05] <bioterror> I would assume that as a developer you do that in the first place
[07:05] <bioterror> and then report it to launchpad
[07:05] <keithtoo> problem is that the old nvidia 270.x.x drivers got smashed with the natty upgrade
[07:06] <keithtoo> bet you can see the same error trying to run glxgears or glxinfo
[07:08] <keithtoo> funny that should be the topic I come in the room on... I'm going to reload Natty from the ground up and need some advice on partitioning
[07:09] <JackyAlcine> I'd use GParted as a GUI for partitioning.
[07:09] <keithtoo> I never set up a /home partition when I started running linux, what's a good size when I get started? How much room do I need to leave for /?
[07:09] <bioterror> depends what you
[07:09] <bioterror> 're doing
[07:10] <JackyAlcine> And bioterror, you're right about that one; I should have; but that's like running it on init to me. lol
[07:12] <keithtoo> how about single user - maybe a low level guest account. Running Ubuntu Studio. It's mostly home usage - some work
[07:13] <keithtoo> I have a 1T drive, so space isn't that big a deal yet
[07:13] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I'd just use about 100 gigs for home, just for kicks and giggles then.
[07:14] <keithtoo> only 100g?
[07:14] <keithtoo> My music collection is nearly 30g
[07:14] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I don't use much space; as a developer restricted to a USB stick; most of my files are just text files.
[07:14] <keithtoo> lol
[07:15] <JackyAlcine> Oh, I haven't any music stored locally; I use Last.FM now.
[07:15] <keithtoo> One of these days I'll work on making that play too... lol. Gahd I hate this last "upgrade"!
[07:16] <keithtoo> so.. you'd recommend giving /the lion's share of the drive then?
[07:17] <JackyAlcine> Well, it depends on how much space you're using. And I actually noticed something about Ubuntu installations.
[07:17] <Puck`> good morning
[07:17] <JackyAlcine> If you were to install over an existing installation; the /home folder is untouched.
[07:18] <keithtoo> only if it's in it's own partition though, right?
[07:18] <JackyAlcine> Nope! It can be on the same partition and the files would remain intact.
[07:19] <JackyAlcine> Ubiquity just removes /var, /etc, /usr and those folders.
[07:19] <keithtoo> ahh... nice to know
[07:20] <JackyAlcine> Very, especially if you like borking your system (like me) lol
[07:20] <keithtoo> unfortunately, I'm also fixing another mistake I made when I first loaded this machine... want to step up from 32 to 64 bit
[07:20] <keithtoo> I am a registered Bork Master - I have a certificate and everything
[07:21] <JackyAlcine> Oh man!! I was so confused last install, I installed a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system and was confused as to why nVidia didn't want to work
[07:22] <keithtoo> that may have gone way over the top  ;)
[07:23] <JackyAlcine> I wanted it to work on 64-bit computers; since it's on a USB stick; I'd switch systems often.
[07:24] <keithtoo> lol - square peg and a round hole
[07:25] <JackyAlcine> the ultimate system! :D
[07:25] <keithtoo> yeah huh
[07:27] <keithtoo> On this install, I think I'm going to put XP back first. Need that for getting iPhone sw updates... and Netflix doesn't like linux either
[07:28] <JackyAlcine> Isn't Netflix based on Linux?
[07:28] <keithtoo> Nope - and they say there isn't enough demand for that to ever happen
[07:29] <keithtoo> at least their clients are windows/mac based
[07:29]  * JackyAlcine was going to comment but remembered that this channel is logged.
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[07:29] <keithtoo> don't worry - I said it many times when researching that issue myself
[07:30] <JackyAlcine> Lol, but I'd kick a cow for a printer atm; haven't had one since middle school. :x
[07:31] <keithtoo> heh - I have 2 now... one for the windows boxes I have running and one just for the linux boxes
[07:32] <JackyAlcine> Sweet :)
[07:33] <keithtoo> I didn't think so... another non-linux support thing that cost me some cash
[07:34] <drinsolito1> My keyboard won't work unless I activate in the Universal Access Preferences an option of "persistent keys"
[07:34] <JackyAlcine> Out of your own pocket?
[07:34] <drinsolito1> Help!
[07:34] <keithtoo> and Lexmark won't opens source their driver set no matter how much you beg
[07:35] <keithtoo> fresh setup drinsolito1?
[07:36] <drinsolito1> yep
[07:36] <drinsolito1> i just installed ubuntu 11.04 today
[07:36] <drinsolito1> i have a lenovo keyboard for an ideacentre
[07:37] <keithtoo> should work... did you mess with the keyboard setting in the install?
[07:38] <drinsolito1> nope.
[07:40] <drinsolito1> unless that option is activated i can't make key combinations like making a parenthesis
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, run 'hwinfo | grep lenovo' in a terminal window and pastebin that for me, please.
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> Wait; is the delay too short or something then?
[07:40] <JackyAlcine> !paste
[07:40] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[07:41] <drinsolito1> hwinfo | grep lenovo doesn't do anything
[07:42] <JackyAlcine> Nothing appears, hmm.
[07:42] <JackyAlcine> Try increasing/decreasing the key repeat speed.
[07:43] <drinsolito1> lemme check it out
[07:43] <JackyAlcine> Did you enable Sticky Keys?
[07:43] <drinsolito1> it's enabled since without it the combinations would not work
[07:44] <JackyAlcine> Hmm. That's odd.
[07:44] <drinsolito1> for example ctrl + l doesn't work without sticky keys
[07:45] <JackyAlcine> Is it the only Accessibility feature under Keyboard enabled?
[07:47] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, ^
[07:47] <drinsolito1> yes
[07:49] <drinsolito1> i can't select multiple items for example pressing shift and then the arrows of directions. if i want to select a lot of files in a list i have to press "shift+down" every time instead of holding shift and pressing down
[07:50] <JackyAlcine> Wow; I think it's one of the following (but I'm not sure how to diagonise anything)
[07:50] <keithtoo> I'm seeing a ton of bug reports abouth Lenovo keyboards at launchpad right now
[07:51] <JackyAlcine> 1) the driver's borked (as many are with the new system)
[07:51] <JackyAlcine> 2) the gconf is screwed
[07:52] <drinsolito1> how can I fix it?
[07:52] <drinsolito1> if it's any of the two options you give me
[07:54] <keithtoo> can you see any errors in your xorg logs?
[07:54] <drinsolito1> how can I check that? i'm sorry i'm a super newbie
[07:55] <keithtoo> System > Admin > Log File Viewer
[07:56] <keithtoo> the one you want to look at is xorg.0
[07:57] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, every one of us are a noob at something ;)
[07:59]  * keithtoo especially
[07:59] <drinsolito1> thanks =)
[07:59] <drinsolito1> it's the same way in Unity?
[08:00]  * keithtoo hates Unity with a passion
[08:00] <keithtoo> They broke the cardinal rule of software engineering with Unity - If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
[08:01] <JackyAlcine> What wasn't broken?
[08:01] <JackyAlcine> Meh, Unity's merely a new path for Ubuntu, it's really an attempt to pull in new users.
[08:02] <keithtoo> Gnome-2 worked... the proprietary nvidia drivers worked....
[08:02] <JackyAlcine> Did you see Mark's keynote at UDS this Monday passed?
[08:02] <JackyAlcine> GNOME 3 doesn't comply to the Ubuntu way I guess.
[08:02] <keithtoo> gnope - it don't
[08:03]  * keithtoo made a funny  :D
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> Toss a 'g' in front of something; and it's GNOME-ware.
[08:03] <JackyAlcine> gfood, glife, gfun, gcalc
[08:05] <JackyAlcine> drinsolito1, in your case; I'd either search on https://bugs.launchpad.net for lenovo keyboard issues and either find a bug that describes your situation or file a new one.
[08:05] <keithtoo> they broke my system with the new upgrade too. By pulling support from the nvidia 270.41.06 drivers currently in use, I'm not sure I'll be able to even keep my system running 11.04
[08:05] <JackyAlcine> And mention the 'hack'/quick fix you're using; that way others can benefit and developers can see what's really going wrong.
[08:06] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm off again. See y'all soon (about 30 mins or so). Aloha!
[08:06] <keithtoo> I'd agree with Jacky there - a quick look pulled up a bunch of Lenovo problems
[08:07] <keithtoo> ls
[08:08] <keithtoo> oops - too many windows open
[08:08] <drinsolito1> thanks i'll check it out since i really don't know how to check the xorg
[08:17] <keithtoo> I'm off... time to rest up for install day tomorrow
[08:18] <keithtoo> later (or kLater if you like that environment better)
[11:38] <kristian_> hi all
[11:38] <kristian_> so, I got this 120 gb SATA super cheap w/no guarantees
[11:39] <kristian_> it seems that only 111 gigs is recognised, though... what could the explanation be?
[11:39] <bioterror> normal
[11:39] <kristian_> fdisk -l gives correct size (120 gb)
[11:40] <bioterror> sure it gives
[11:40] <kristian_> bioterror, yes, I understand there is some confusion/controversy
[11:40] <kristian_> but from 111 to 120 gb is something like 7 percent...
[11:46] <JackyAlcine> Was it gigabits or gigabytes?
[11:46] <JackyAlcine> kristian_, ^
[11:47] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, gigabytes
[11:47] <JackyAlcine> Well; they might have advertised it as gigabits.
[11:50] <JackyAlcine> My math's saying that it should be a 0.07% offset.
[11:50] <JackyAlcine> Unless there's a hidden partition.
[12:02] <duanedesign> hello all
[12:12] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha duanedesign
[12:34] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, hang on, I actually got the manual (!) for this hdd
[12:34] <JackyAlcine> Lol; alrighty.
[12:35] <kristian_> ah bugger, it's generic
[12:39] <kristian_> http://www.pricedbelowmarket.com/computer-parts-hardware-hard-disk-drives-hdd-western-digital-wd1200bevs-22ust0-scorpio-wd1200bevs-120gb-sata-15gb-s-5400-rpm.html
[12:39]  * JackyAlcine whispers to wifi "c'mon internet don't fail me now"
[12:41] <JackyAlcine> hmmm
[13:36] <coalwater> why can'
[13:37] <coalwater> cant't they fix nautilus already, the ftp thing, it disconnects
[13:38] <JackyAlcine> coalwater, not nautilus; that's the server's connection timing out.
[13:38] <coalwater> yea, but it should send a noop to keep connection alive
[13:39] <JackyAlcine> that could cause a security breach and what if you disconnect from the network? it'll constantly fail.
[13:41] <coalwater> idk, i found a bug on gvfs about it and it's dead, no one is paying any attention to it
[13:41] <coalwater> hi duanedesign
[13:41] <duanedesign> hello coalwater
[13:43] <coalwater> JackyAlcine, i end up using sftp because it could maintain the connection for long periods
[13:43] <JackyAlcine> GNOME = "if it's not my business; it will never be my business" :(
[13:49] <coalwater> JackyAlcine,  i don
[13:49] <coalwater> sigh, stupid enter key, was gonna say i dont get it
[13:50] <JackyAlcine> GNOME's a complicated system; and gvfs is considered trivial..
[13:51] <coalwater> yea, i branched it but i guess it was written in c
[15:02] <kristian_> JackyAlcine, still there?
[15:03] <kristian_> I got a 512 mb file, then copied it to the new hdd... md5sum says different things :(
[15:12] <coalwater> re copy it :D
[15:13] <head_victim> I prefer to use rsync when moving files of any size. Nice, simple and quick.
[15:16] <kristian_> hurm
[15:16] <kristian_> yeah, I could try with rsync... might be more exact
[15:18] <coalwater> head_victim, what's rsync
[15:19] <coalwater> !rsync
[15:19] <ubot2> rsync is a fast remote file copy and synchronization program - For more see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[15:19] <kristian_> coalwater, it is a super cool program to sync and move things
[15:19] <kristian_> the only "downside" is that it can do so many things that it can get confusing
[15:20] <head_victim> Nah no downsides at all, the man page is awesome and it's the simplest, most powerful way to move stuff from point a to point b.
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[15:21] <head_victim> I use it for everything from downloading and syncing the entire ubuntu repository to doing regular backups of my system with cron
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> So I've been downloading and manually installing my packages
[15:21] <JackyAlcine> Think I might boot Debian Squeeze and see how it is.
[16:29] <Captainkrtek> hello geekosopher
[16:32] <geekosopher> Captainkrtek: hi
[16:32] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help with
[16:39] <stlsaint> Captainkrtek: hello
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> hi
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> Im actually about to run to work
[16:39] <stlsaint> cool
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> but if there is anything I can help you with email me
[16:39] <Captainkrtek> steven.richardspc AT gmail.com :)
[16:40] <Captainkrtek> gotta run, feel free to message with any Q's
[20:20] <raubvogel> How do I automount a user's homedir if it is in a smb share instead of, say, nfs?
[20:30] <bobweaver> ok I turned off all firewalls hope that that helps.
[20:32] <bobweaver> just tried to reimport it to ubuntu keyservers this is what I tried hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:33] <bobweaver> instead of the one that is there by default
[20:36] <kristian_> hi again
[20:36] <kristian_> so, I got GSmartcontrol for that damn hdd
[20:38] <kristian_> "Test aborted, cannot parse smartctl output: no ATA sections could be parsed. Check the self-test log for more information"
[20:39] <kristian_> however, I can't see any errors in the log
[20:46] <bobweaver> It worked must have been the firewall or the default key that is on ubunut 10.10 I know what I could work on
[20:49] <bobweaver> an asc2 armored encrypted text this is turning into fun :)
[21:39]  * kristian_ is back
[23:19] <kristian_> anyone else have a tip regarding the perhaps-faulty SATA hdd?
[23:19] <holstein> kristian_: ?
[23:19] <holstein> i would nail it down
[23:20] <holstein> test it*
[23:20] <kristian_> hey holstein
[23:20] <holstein> kristian_: o/
[23:21] <kristian_> holstein, I tested it with GSmartcontrol
[23:22] <holstein> whats the good news?
[23:22] <kristian_> first time, the test halted... second time, it finished and reported no errors
[23:22] <holstein> is it OK, or are you getting new hardware?
[23:22] <kristian_> I can't figure it out
[23:22] <holstein> no errors is good
[23:22] <holstein> whats the deal?
[23:22] <kristian_> I have copied a large file to it several times, then md5summed... I get different results
[23:23] <holstein> how did you copy?
[23:23] <kristian_> cp, rsync... now scp
[23:23] <holstein> what about the memory?
[23:23] <kristian_> it's horrible these days
[23:24] <holstein> i would run a ram test
[23:24] <kristian_> oh, on the computer... no reason to suspect it's bad
[23:24] <kristian_> waitaminute
[23:24] <holstein> thats a reason to suspect id say
[23:25] <kristian_> when I scp it more than once, I get the same md5sum afterwards
[23:25] <holstein> interesting
[23:25] <holstein> i think i would look into the testing setup
[23:25] <holstein> what file
[23:25] <holstein> how you made it
[23:25] <holstein> that could be flawed
[23:26] <kristian_> just a dummy file I found on the net
[23:26] <holstein> and making you think something is up
[23:26] <kristian_> to test download speed
[23:26] <holstein> where did you get the md5?
[23:26] <holstein> maybe you DL'd it, and got a bad image
[23:26] <kristian_> I just use "md5sum file.foo"
[23:27]  * holstein shrugs
[23:27] <kristian_> not the proper way around it, holstein ?
[23:27] <kristian_> hi MrChrisDruif
[23:28] <holstein> kristian_: nah, i got nothin
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha kristian_
[23:30] <kristian_> wth... now it seems to work, if the md5sums are a proper way of testing
[23:30] <kristian_> this is super-weird
[23:30] <holstein> kristian_: i would think md5 should work
[23:31] <holstein> like you are trying to do it
[23:31] <kristian_> on Win, I think sometimes you have to reset a box a few times for changes to sink in... could this be that kind of thing
[23:31] <holstein> who knows
[23:31] <holstein> plausible i suppose
[23:32] <kristian_> this is one of those situations...
[23:32] <MrChrisDruif> md5sum? What's going on?
[23:33] <kristian_> I may have a faulty drive... a faulty dock (dirt cheap ebay thing)... faulty memory... faulty dock... or no trouble at all
[23:33] <kristian_> MrChrisDruif, I got a SATA hdd almost for free, from a broken machine
[23:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[23:34] <kristian_> I can live with it being broken, then I'll throw it out
[23:35] <kristian_> but I'd like to know so I don't waste my time, and so far my efforts have been futile