[20:32] morning [20:35] morning [20:44] morning === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [20:51] morning [21:23] how annoying, it's bright & sunny this morning :) [21:26] ajmitch: come visit wellington... [21:27] nah, I think I'll just put up with the monitor glare for now [21:37] olly: there is blue sky here [21:38] or maybe that's just a funny shade of grey [22:36] hmm, if network manager brings the network up when the router isn't connected to the internet, it doesn't add any name servers to /etc/resolv.conf [22:36] and when the internet comes up, it doesn't fix that [22:36] so you have to bounce the network (or go and fix it by hand) [22:37] is that really the intended behaviour? [22:39] * ajmitch thought it was dhclient that was adding the resolv.conf entries [22:39] $ head -n1 /etc/resolv.conf [22:39] # Generated by NetworkManager [22:39] is the problem that it's getting an address via dhcp which has no name servers in the dhcp offer? [22:40] presumably [22:40] if the internet is up, I get two name servers at the ISP in there [22:40] I don't know if there'd be a sane way around that rather than it renewing the DHCP lease more often [22:40] at least if there are no nameservers... [22:41] without a nameserver, your internet experience is going to be somewhat reduced [22:41] marginally so, yes [22:42] * ojwb spots a neat hack [22:42] set resolv.conf to point to a dummy local nameserver [22:42] if that gets a request, then check for connectivity, and if it's there, force a dhcp lease expiry [22:43] & avoid resolv.conf from being clobbered [22:43] alternatively, just stick 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 in there if you've nothing else [22:43] though there are privacy implications there which some might not like [22:44] (those are google's public dns servers) [22:44] & they can have bad effects on CDNs that do geo-location based on DNS lookups [22:46] that's really a flaw in such CDNs I'd say [22:46] though it's the user who'll feel it directly [22:46] handy way around geo-restrictions though! [22:47] though the ones that do restrictions tend to look up the requesting IP address rather than relying on DNS :) [22:47] indeed [22:47] ssh tunnel to a linode vps running squid tends to help me there [23:42] mornin [23:43] we have beautiful blue sky and sun !