[20:32] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:35] <snail> morning
[20:44] <ojwb> morning
[20:51] <ajmitch> morning
[21:23] <ajmitch> how annoying, it's bright & sunny this morning :)
[21:26] <olly> ajmitch: come visit wellington...
[21:27] <ajmitch> nah, I think I'll just put up with the monitor glare for now
[21:37] <ibeardslee> olly: there is blue sky here
[21:38] <ibeardslee> or maybe that's just a funny shade of grey
[22:36] <ojwb> hmm, if network manager brings the network up when the router isn't connected to the internet, it doesn't add any name servers to /etc/resolv.conf
[22:36] <ojwb> and when the internet comes up, it doesn't fix that
[22:36] <ojwb> so you have to bounce the network (or go and fix it by hand)
[22:37] <ojwb> is that really the intended behaviour?
[22:39]  * ajmitch thought it was dhclient that was adding the resolv.conf entries
[22:39] <ojwb> $ head -n1 /etc/resolv.conf
[22:39] <ojwb> # Generated by NetworkManager
[22:39] <ajmitch> is the problem that it's getting an address via dhcp which has no name servers in the dhcp offer?
[22:40] <ojwb> presumably
[22:40] <ojwb> if the internet is up, I get two name servers at the ISP in there
[22:40] <ajmitch> I don't know if there'd be a sane way around that rather than it renewing the DHCP lease more often
[22:40] <ojwb> at least if there are no nameservers...
[22:41] <ojwb> without a nameserver, your internet experience is going to be somewhat reduced
[22:41] <ajmitch> marginally so, yes
[22:42]  * ojwb spots a neat hack
[22:42] <ojwb> set resolv.conf to point to a dummy local nameserver
[22:42] <ojwb> if that gets a request, then check for connectivity, and if it's there, force a dhcp lease expiry
[22:43] <ajmitch> & avoid resolv.conf from being clobbered
[22:43] <ojwb> alternatively, just stick 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 in there if you've nothing else
[22:43] <ojwb> though there are privacy implications there which some might not like
[22:44] <ojwb> (those are google's public dns servers)
[22:44] <ajmitch> & they can have bad effects on CDNs that do geo-location based on DNS lookups
[22:46] <ojwb> that's really a flaw in such CDNs I'd say
[22:46] <ojwb> though it's the user who'll feel it directly
[22:46] <ojwb> handy way around geo-restrictions though!
[22:47] <ajmitch> though the ones that do restrictions tend to look up the requesting IP address rather than relying on DNS :)
[22:47] <ojwb> indeed
[22:47] <ajmitch> ssh tunnel to a linode vps running squid tends to help me there
[23:42] <Atamira> mornin
[23:43] <Atamira> we have beautiful blue sky and sun !