[00:00] <HazRPG> wooo! Going to see the family in Egypt soon \o/
[00:03] <Azelphur> popey, yea, it's a radiator :p
[00:03] <Azelphur> a big one :D
[00:03] <Azelphur> with 4x 3000RPM fans strapped to the back of it
[00:03] <Azelphur> I can't wait to turn that on, annoy the neighbours :D
[00:11] <kaushal> Hi
[00:11] <kaushal> I have cleared squid cache in squid
[00:12] <kaushal> I am still unable to reach the global ubuntu mirror
[00:15] <kaushal> is there a way to know where does squid deb proxy resides  ?
[00:15] <kaushal> in the LAN
[00:23] <ocean22> hi guys can any one help me to install adobe flash player on ubuntu 11.04 please
[00:40] <JGJones> It should be in Software Centre, open that and search for it, does it show up?
[00:47] <reaper4334> yeah, the firefox flash plugin is there as Adobe Flash plug-in
[01:12] <ali1234> unity is a lot like the eve UI
[01:13] <hamitron> :(
[01:14] <ali1234> i wonder if i can get the eve icon on launcher to show my wallet balance when i mouse over it like the one in eve does
[01:14] <hamitron> ali1234: for bitcoin!
[01:14] <hamitron> ;)
[01:14] <ali1234> my bitcoin wallet has 0.05 bitcoins
[01:14] <ali1234> and i got those from the tap
[01:15] <hamitron> one day.....
[01:15] <hamitron> :)
[01:15] <hamitron> or you given up?
[01:15] <ali1234> yes
[01:15] <hamitron> I'm giving it till the next ubuntu LTS
[01:15] <ali1234> generates too much heat and noise
[01:16] <ging> one day bitcoin will make us all millionares
[01:16] <hamitron> I suspect some tech in computing will arrive that will collapse the value
[01:17] <hamitron> but I expect everything to mess up
[01:17] <ali1234> nah that won't happen
[01:17] <hamitron> \o/
[01:17] <ali1234> there is a fixed number of coins
[01:17] <ali1234> but what could happen is new tech -> one guy gets them all
[01:17] <hamitron> common ali1234..... the world is going end as well ;)
[01:17] <hamitron> yeh
[01:18] <hamitron> it could certainly wreck it anyway
[01:18] <ali1234> at which point the few that are still circulating get really expensive
[01:18] <ali1234> but then the one guy will sell all his stock
[01:18] <ali1234> then the price will fall over time
[01:18] <ali1234> or not
[01:18] <ali1234> i mean you never really know
[01:18] <hamitron> either way, it will be unstable
[01:19] <hamitron> if you have someone able to click and affect the market like that
[01:19] <ali1234> once all the coins are found it does not matter who has how much cpu
[01:19] <ali1234> it just makes transactions cheaper
[01:40] <hamitron> ali1234: won't you get coins for verifying transactions?
[01:40] <ali1234> yes
[01:40] <ali1234> if people are willing to pay a transaction fee
[01:40] <hamitron> I read people will have to later
[01:40] <ali1234> if verifying transactions is trivial due to technology updates
[01:41] <ali1234> then they won't have to pay
[01:41] <ali1234> that's how i understand it anyway
[01:41] <hamitron> I guess
[01:41] <ali1234> transaction fee just gives you priority
[01:41] <ali1234> so the harder to verify, the less can be verified, the more you have to pay for quicker transfer
[01:41] <hamitron> I thought you had to pay for larger payments
[01:42] <hamitron> but it is complicated :/
[01:42] <ali1234> don't think so
[01:42] <ali1234> it's just a bribe basically
[01:42] <hamitron> hehe
[01:42] <ali1234> "process my transaction first, get some money"
[01:42] <hamitron> I like ;)
[01:42] <ali1234> if there's no queue to jump there would be no need for fees
[01:43] <hamitron> less people will run it I guess
[01:43] <hamitron> could end up with people starting it up, just to pay
[01:44] <ali1234> sure, if there's no money in transaction fees and no coins to mine, less people will run it
[01:44] <ali1234> supply and demand and all that
[01:44] <hamitron> but as you said, processing will be trival
[01:44] <ali1234> not necessarily
[01:44] <ali1234> that's just *if* some weird new tech comes along
[01:44] <MichealH> <3 AndroIRC so far
[01:45] <MichealH> I totally like Android
[01:46] <hamitron> not used it myself
[01:47] <hamitron> ali1234: the best effect bitcoin has had on me, is it has got me reading about opencl and cuda
[01:47] <hamitron> :)
[01:48] <ali1234> opencl is nice
[01:48] <hamitron> and it just makes me go "ouuuuuuuuuuuuu"
[01:48] <hamitron> I haven't done any yet
[01:48] <MichealH> This android phone is a Sony Ericsson Experia X8 , touchscreen keyboard is really slim, struggling to type!
[01:48] <hamitron> but read a bit
[01:49] <hamitron> if it works as good as it appears, tempted to get a graphics card for my server
[01:50] <hamitron> just something small
[01:55] <HazRPG> laters all, see ya when I'm on the other side (going to Egypt if ya didn't see the message earlier on)
[01:55] <HazRPG> \o
[01:55] <hamitron> cya haz
[01:55] <hamitron> :)
[01:56] <HazRPG> hamitron: toodles :)
[06:07]  * ball ponders
[06:08] <MartijnVdS> uh-oh
[06:52] <knightwise> mornin peeps !
[07:12]  * ball falls over
[07:15] <knightwise> morning ball
[07:15] <knightwise> how are you
[08:30] <TheAshMan> How do I enable a second network card in ubuntu server?
[08:30] <TheAshMan> (10.04)
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> just plug it in
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> !interfaces
[08:31] <knightwise> morning martijn
[08:31] <knightwise> ou helped me with the linux podcasting script remember ?
[08:31] <knightwise> well , i've "mentioned" all of you in the last podcast i did
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: You'll want to look at /etc/network/interfaces (manual available: type 'man interfaces')
[08:32] <knightwise> I did a kind of a 'tribute story' to everybody who helped me. if you have a time to listen to kc 0052 on knightwise.com you might enjoy it
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: uh-oh :P
[08:32] <TheAshMan> MartijnVdS, The thing is, theres a network cable plugged into it, but it doesn't show up in ifconfig
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: ifconfig is deprecated (it shuold show up with ifconfig -a)
[08:33] <TheAshMan> ahh ok
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: "ip addr" should show it as well (as long as it has a mac/hardware address)
[08:33] <TheAshMan> thanks
[08:34] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o czajkowski
[09:03] <DJones> Morning all
[09:14] <danfish> a hoy hoy saveloy(s)!
[09:14] <oimon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13345309 they don't mention that the sub £100 computer runs ubuntu. you pay £30 more for another OS that is compatible with most viruses
[09:16] <danfish> oimon: quite true, but I bet they won't have the oomph to run Unity 3D ;)
[09:16] <oimon> i don't have the patience to run unity 3d ;)
[09:17] <oimon> takes me 10x as long to switch windows
[09:17]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[09:17] <oimon> retired people might have the time though :D
[09:18] <danfish> oimon: you just need MOAR graphics power - dual SLI cards should do fine
[09:18] <oimon> it's not the hardware, it's the design :(
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> danfish: QUAD SLI
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[09:22] <danfish> MartijnVdS: showoff ;)
[09:33] <dogmatic69> ive got a load balancer (ELB on aws) working, what is the best way to sync the servers under the load balancer
[09:34] <bigcalm> Files or database?
[09:35] <dogmatic69> files
[09:35] <dogmatic69> db on a separate box with replication to another db box
[09:38] <BigRedS> drbd
[09:38] <bigcalm> Then you've got a setup exactly like how we are moving a big client on to. I have no idea about the file sync either :D
[09:38] <dogmatic69> hehe
[09:38] <dogmatic69> we in the same boat then :P
[09:39] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: any chance of a simple how to guide
[09:42] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: er, not from me, I've never configured it :)
[09:42] <BigRedS> I gather it's reasonably simple, though
[09:42] <bigcalm> Ah, our client didn't want to pay to join AWS, so they are going with RackSpace and dedicated servers
[09:43] <dogmatic69> pay to join aws?
[09:43] <dogmatic69> its free to join
[09:43] <bigcalm> I dunno then
[09:43] <dogmatic69> they charge you £1 to validate your card details
[09:43] <bigcalm> For some reason they didn't want to enter the cloud
[09:43]  * dogmatic69 knows as his card was blocked for fraud 
[09:43] <bigcalm> Nice
[09:44] <dogmatic69> barclays sucks btw
[09:44] <bigcalm> I need to decide upon a load balencer for the dual box setup. Round Robin DNS or something else
[09:45] <dogmatic69> im using aws ELB which is easy to do, guess its not as flexible as using haproxy or something manual
[09:45] <bigcalm> Is ELB specific to AWS, or available for anybody to impliment?
[09:46] <dogmatic69> its aws name Elastic Load Balancer
[09:46] <dogmatic69> they add Elastic to the front of everything
[09:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:46] <dogmatic69> Elastic IP's
[09:46] <dogmatic69> etc
[09:46] <bigcalm> They'll be selling plasters next
[09:47] <dogmatic69> EC2 = Elastic cloud compute
[09:47] <dogmatic69> hehe
[09:47] <dogmatic69> elastic block storage ~= hdd
[09:47] <oimon> elastic band = mp3 downloads
[09:48] <dogmatic69> elastic band aid could be recovery
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> and the firewall would be Elastic Protection?
[09:49] <dogmatic69> lol
[09:58] <bigcalm> It's a shame that the RackSpace firewalls can't take a FQDN instead of an IP address for SSH access. Unless I'm mistaken
[09:58] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi
[09:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: you following whats going on?
[09:59] <davmor2> gord: you are like internet cake....
[09:59] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: rackspace sucks, good luck trying to create HA across different countries etc
[10:00] <dogmatic69> they only allow you to create servers in the country you are registered
[10:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: when I can
[10:00] <dogmatic69> want more countries make more accounts
[10:00] <bigcalm> HA?
[10:00] <dogmatic69> high availability
[10:00] <bigcalm> I see
[10:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: cool do me a favour listen in on the thunderbird one and let me know what happens :D
[10:01] <dogmatic69> or if you want us users to connect to a us based server and uk users to use the uk one etc
[10:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: if the streaming holds up sure
[10:01] <davmor2> :D
[10:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: see pm
[10:02] <oimon> anyone interested in finding out more about the www.alpha.gov.uk new gov website and the backend technologies, please upvote my question http://getsatisfaction.com/alphagov/topics/what_backend_technologies_does_alphagov_use
[10:13] <gord> davmor2, i am in the lobby area, leaving today, if you don't come find me and say hello then all is lost!
[10:15] <oimon> wearing a red carnation?
[10:18] <gord> ha
[10:20] <davmor2> gord: be down in 2 seconds be there
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:37] <popey> Morning.
[10:37] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:40] <bigcalm> AFternoon
[10:42] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:50] <hoover> mornin all
[10:51] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:51] <davmor2> Yay! gord exists after all he isn't internet cake
[10:52] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:52] <popey> Ooo, my GTX 460 arrived
[10:55] <popey> glad it comes with two power connectors. might have to remove a hard disk to make power capacity available
[10:55] <davmor2> gord: safe flight home dude
[10:57] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:57] <daubers> o/
[10:58] <s-fox> Hello daubers
[10:58] <s-fox> How goes?
[10:58] <daubers> Slowly as ever
[11:02] <danfish> do you think that if my broadband supplier claims to provide "up to 10 mbps" and actually tops out at 2.3mbps I can pay just 23% of the bill?
[11:02] <dwatkins> danfish: there's probably a clause in the contract that says 'no'
[11:02] <danfish> I think I already know the answer, but it could be a good legal battle to have (if you'd nothing better to do and the money)
[11:03] <danfish> dwatkins: :)
[11:03] <daubers> danfish: You'd probably have a good argument to put yourself on a lower package if they did one
[11:06] <dwatkins> I switched packages with BT but the guy on the phone didn't realise that the package I was switching to wasn't similar enough to my existing contract, and it charged me the cancellation fee - I complained and they agreed to take it off again, especially as the router was falling over every 24 hours.
[11:09] <danfish> My connection is OK - it's my parents which is decidedly rubbish. Plusnet - 'good honest broadband from Yorkshire' my arse!
[11:10] <dwatkins> bethere are quite good in Doncaster.
[11:10] <dwatkins> no idea what they're like elsewhere
[11:10] <mfraz74> I'm on Orange and I'm getting about 12mbps
[11:11]  * dwatkins fires-up nxclient and tests his bandwidth, knowing full well that the results will be slightly sweked due to nxclient
[11:12] <danfish> I've not been able to get freenx running on a 'server' with unity
[11:13] <danfish> though I can see why it won't work, I can't get work arounds to, er, well, work
[11:13] <daubers> danfish: I'm on plusnet and not had any issues :) More or less get the peak of my l
[11:14] <dwatkins> danfish: how about if you choose another window manager?
[11:14] <daubers> "upto"limit
[11:15] <danfish> daubers: it's probably not plusnet at all, but local factors, including my Dad's DIY telephone extension cabling :)
[11:16] <danfish> dwatkins: still seems to be reluctant to fire up a connection - moans about permissions. I can use it in 'windowless' mode and fire up an xterm
[11:16] <dwatkins> danfish: wierd, I didn't have any such problems  - tried creating another user account to test with?
[11:16] <daubers> danfish: Probably :) The routers plusnet give out are quite poor as well IMHO
[11:17] <dwatkins> wow, I get 17 Mbps and I'm on ADSL.
[11:20] <TheAshMan> Anyone help me with bonding 2 NICs? I tried it once and it just killed the connectivity
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
[11:22] <TheAshMan> Thats the one I followed
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinkAggregation ?
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> you probably forgot to move the IP to the virtual (bonded) interface
[11:23] <danfish> dwatkins: I am actually using neatx rather than freenx, so maybe that's an issue - which are you using?
[11:23] <TheAshMan> MartijnVdS, What do you mean? I put the IP in the bond config options
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: I mean read the LinkAggregation page :)
[11:25] <TheAshMan> The UbuntuBonding page suggests that I don't need to need to add the bonding to modprobe.d in 10.04+
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> I have never used it
[11:25] <TheAshMan> ahh ok
[11:33] <daubers> TheAshMan: Some bonding methods require the switch to support them too
[11:39] <oimon> nice answer: http://getsatisfaction.com/alphagov/topics/what_backend_technologies_does_alphagov_use " It is all based on open source tools, and we're hoping to release some of our code too." :D
[12:09] <bigcalm> PHP coders: is there a prefered Twitter API libary? There seem to be a few http://cuth.eu/7tKWNM Requirement is sending writing updates only
[12:12] <dutchie> good high st shop to buy webcam/microphone?
[12:13] <BigRedS> Mine came from Tesco
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: any
[12:13] <bigcalm> dutchie: cheap as chips from super markets. Doubt PC World will rip you off that much
[12:14] <dutchie> the one i got from tesco sucks
[12:14] <dutchie> dunno if there is a pc world in the interesting bit of oxford
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> ♥ http://www.mediamarkt.com/
[12:15] <popey> dutchie: are you going to buy a cheap/crap one, or one that works?
[12:15] <dutchie> i would prefer one that works
[12:15] <dutchie> since i already have a cheap/crap one
[12:16] <popey> logitech ones are nice
[12:16]  * bigcalm nods
[12:16] <popey> and mostly work on non-evil-os
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> Mac support usually means UVC means Linux support :)
[12:16] <BigRedS> my logitech one was a tenner from tesco and has worked on everythign I've plugged it into
[12:17] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/day/?x=-620&y=64&z=-175&zoom=-1
[12:17]  * popey wonders who built that castle
[12:17] <popey> its pretty awesome
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow..
[12:17] <bigcalm> I just found my Pro 5000 (along with a USB rocket launcher)
[12:18] <bigcalm> popey: that's dedication and cool
[12:18] <bigcalm> I wonder who started the space invaders game to the north-west of that castle
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> it looks a bit King's Quest I
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: or the pirate ship
[12:20]  * bigcalm loads up minecraft to continue with space invaders
[12:20] <bigcalm> :D
[12:47] <MooDoo> hello all
[12:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: aloha
[12:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski: hiya :D
[12:55] <MooDoo> it's either quiet, lunch or everyone is at UDS
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> or all 3
[13:02] <MooDoo> aye
[13:33] <popey> Azelphur: hows the mining going?
[13:35] <seeker> popey: How on earth does someone get that much stone?
[13:35] <popey> have you seen rogers hole?
[13:36] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/day/?x=-417&y=64&z=138&zoom=-1
[13:36] <seeker> The one in the sea near my island?
[13:36] <popey> that goes all the way down to the bottom
[13:36] <popey> which would give you a lot of cobble
[13:36] <popey> also, ali1234 mined out the underneath of the pyramid, there's loads there
[13:40] <oimon> what do you do once you've made these things?
[13:40] <oimon> it is purely a construction game or is there a point where you "use" it
[13:40] <JGJones> Build another project :)
[13:40] <oimon> i don't think i "get" it
[13:41] <JGJones> oimon, it's essentially a giant lego game.
[13:41] <oimon> at least in the sims, you can "live" in your houses
[13:41] <popey> oimon: do you "get" lego?
[13:42] <oimon> i'm not deliberately trollling, i'm just wondering if there's something i missed
[13:42] <popey> it was a serious question
[13:42] <oimon> popey: i get real lego. i wouldn't get virtual lego
[13:42] <popey> why?
[13:42] <oimon> i make airfix models
[13:42] <popey> thats not lego
[13:42] <popey> I'm specifically drawing the "it's like lego" comparison
[13:42] <JGJones> oimon, I thought it was pointless when I first heard of it...a game with no story, no...um...plot. No ending etc. Now I can't stop playing the damn game :)
[13:43] <oimon> lego is a toy for < 8 yr olds
[13:43] <popey> rubbish
[13:43] <popey> i play with lego with my 4 year old son
[13:43] <popey> and I enjoy it as much as he does
[13:43] <JamesTait> popey: +1
[13:43] <oimon> but you wouldn't play with it if 4yr old wasn't there
[13:43]  * JamesTait does
[13:43] <JGJones> Me too and my son's now 13 and still play with lego :)
[13:43] <popey> you're taking being a grumpy old fart to olympic levels
[13:44] <oimon> i will enjoy playing lego when my son is old enough
[13:44] <popey> i know adults who play with lego, and they have no children
[13:44] <JGJones> And I even play with it on my own. the biggest advantage of Minecraft over Lego?
[13:44] <JamesTait> But I also don't find Minecraft particularly appealing. To each their own.
[13:44] <popey> I also play minecraft with my kids
[13:44] <oimon> but i will enjoy doing something with my son.
[13:44] <popey> all three of us playing together
[13:44] <oimon> that sounds fine to me
[13:44] <JGJones> You can't in the middle of night step on a tiny lego block lying around and curse aloud.
[13:44] <JamesTait> I did love SimCity though, even though I didn't think I would.
[13:44] <popey> yeah, I loved the original simcity too
[13:45] <popey> note that minecraft isnt finished yet
[13:45] <oimon> simcity has a purpose, even if it is to make a massive city and loads of cash
[13:45] <popey> they _are_ adding 'game' elements to it
[13:45] <popey> minecraft will too oimon
[13:45] <oimon> ok..that was my question
[13:45] <popey> it just doesn't yet
[13:45] <JamesTait> So if I did actually start playing Minecraft, I may well become hopelessly addicted.
[13:45] <popey> they added achievements in the most recent update
[13:45] <popey> JamesTait: this is likely :)
[13:45] <oimon> believe me when i'm not trolling, i just wanted to know if there's a point
[13:45] <JamesTait> Which is another reason for me not to play it, because I don't have time for another vice.
[13:45] <popey> oimon: there is a point, it's fun
[13:45] <popey> having fun _is_ a point
[13:46] <JGJones> aye...in popey's server - a railway system is getting build - so it's like building a city now although with strange buildings :)
[13:46] <popey> heh
[13:46] <oimon> not having played it, i thuoght the fun would wear off a bit..but i really know very little about the game besides watching some youtune and looking at your map
[13:46] <popey> glad we dont have a council dictating the planning rules :)
[13:46] <oimon> can you ride on the railway
[13:46] <popey> the fun can wear off, as with anythin
[13:46] <popey> yes
[13:46] <JGJones> that's true...no planning permission required to blow up a mountain
[13:46] <oimon> any youtube clips ;)
[13:46] <popey> I'm currently building a long extension to the railway
[13:47] <JGJones> oh some people even use the rails system to make a giant rollercoaster...hmm...that's a project to do next...
[13:47] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/gmap/?x=-475&y=64&z=1585&zoom=-4
[13:47] <popey> ^^^ my new leg of rail
[13:48] <JGJones> I saw that...was wondering who was building that and how they managed to find all that iron to do it :)
[13:49] <popey> ahem
[13:49] <JamesTait> Better start shutting my laptop down, I have a session to attend right round the other side of the hotel shortly.
[13:49] <popey> o/
[13:50] <JamesTait> I really wish suspend and resume worked on my machine.
[13:50] <JamesTait> I really wish I had more time to start figuring out why it doesn't.
[13:50]  * JamesTait waves
[13:50] <JamesTait> ttfn
[13:51] <dwatkins> ciao
[13:51] <dwatkins> I need to allocate enough swap to be able to do that
[13:51]  * popey wonders what machine he has
[13:55] <BigRedS> network mangler's put me of wanting suspend to work
[13:55] <BigRedS> though everything bar nm seems to cope with resuming quite happily
[14:04] <bigcalm> Any PHP devs in here done any work with the Twitter API?
[14:05] <BigRedS> my brother has, and I think he's on jabber, so I can forward simple questions at him?
[14:05] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[14:05] <bigcalm> What's his choice of library? As there are several on offer
[14:05] <BigRedS> hah, jabber's become a synonym for 'IM' as far as I'm concerned now :)
[14:05] <MattJ> :)
[14:06] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I've asked him, but he went 'away' between my checking and you asking, so I might have to get back to you when he's back
[14:06] <bigcalm> BigRedS: thanks :)
[14:07] <BigRedS> no probs,
[14:07] <BigRedS> though I've not got you an answer yet :)
[14:08] <bigcalm> But thank you for taking the time to ask :)
[14:23] <dwatkins> has anyone here used netcat to test the stability of an inter-office network connection? I think there are occasional disconnects, and would like to gather information, netcat seems like it might do what I need.
[14:42] <MattJ> dwatkins: are you sure it's what you want?
[14:42] <MattJ> If you want to monitor a connection, something like Wireshark would probably be better
[14:44] <dwatkins> MattJ: not entirely, I've asked them to just run a ping for 10 minutes
[14:45] <MattJ> Try mtr instead, it will show you at which hop the pings get dropped
[14:45] <MattJ> and it can run continuously
[14:46] <dwatkins> thanks MattJ
[14:47] <jpds> dwatkins: Sounds like someone is hijacking their IP address.
[14:47]  * popey files bug 781154
[14:49] <dwatkins> jpds: aha, good call, I'll make certain they check that - thanks :)
[14:57]  * AlanBell observes that popey has finally lost it
[14:59] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I agree. Completely loopy :)
[14:59] <bigcalm> Because of the lack of <pre>, the double spaces in the M are reduced to single which breaks the rest of the word
[14:59] <bigcalm> Tut tut
[15:01] <bigcalm> The program 'figlet' can be found in the following packages:
[15:01] <bigcalm>  * toilet
[15:01] <bigcalm>  * figlet
[15:01] <bigcalm> Unexpected
[15:04] <Psychobudgie> figlets often have that effect on me
[15:04] <bigcalm> HEh
[15:35] <bigcalm> Pyrus (PHP PEAR) - yay or nay?
[15:35] <Psychobudgie> hay
[15:36] <bigcalm> Humm, requires PHP 5.3+
[15:39] <BigRedS> 5.3 is what all the cool kids are using these days, apparently
[15:42] <bigcalm> 5.3 breaks CakePHP 1.1
[15:43] <bigcalm> One of our client's project is in CakePHP 1.1 and with no budget or desire to upgrade the framework
[15:43] <bigcalm> Which is a pain as a dev
[15:44] <bigcalm> Another client's project uses an old version of moregroupware that only runs on PHP 4
[15:44]  * bigcalm shudders
[15:45] <dogmatic69> could anyone let me know if this is in the right direction for a server setup http://oi55.tinypic.com/316x92b.jpg
[15:46] <bigcalm> If the main database server goes down, what access is there to aws?
[15:46] <bigcalm> Oh, I see
[15:47] <bigcalm> :)
[15:47] <bigcalm> Did you work out file sync?
[15:50] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: not done file sync yet, only have 1 loadbalancer to 1 server + master db
[15:50] <dogmatic69> i just dont know what if the load balancer goes FFFFUUUUUUUU
[15:50] <dogmatic69> 6x servers sitting round doing nothing
[15:52] <bigcalm> With round robin dns it would continue to work
[15:53] <dogmatic69> this is aws elastic load balancer
[15:55] <bigcalm> Do they say what would happen in that case then?
[15:58] <bigcalm> There hasn't been any package updates for 10.04.2 for a few days. I wonder what's wrong
[15:58] <popey> do you not have postfix or exim installed?
[15:59] <popey> you should get an update for the security issues on those
[15:59] <bigcalm> apticron is installed on all of my servers. It's been quiet for a while
[16:00] <bigcalm> There we go
[16:01] <bigcalm> Did a manual update and postfix wanted updating
[16:01] <bigcalm> Guess it's just been quiet for a bit
[16:01] <oimon> !ingo apticron
[16:01] <oimon> !info apticron
[16:02] <oimon> have updates on my desktop though
[16:02] <oimon> chromium seems to update every day
[16:05] <oimon> guys, seen this? http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/news/government-save-millions-ict read stuff on el reg about it but the details look promising
[16:06] <popey> anyone good with ATI cards in Ubuntu?
[16:23] <oimon> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[16:23] <oimon> :D
[16:34] <popey> indeed
[16:40] <czajkowski> hmmm
[16:40] <czajkowski> who knew job centre folks would make you fill out a ton of paper work
[16:41] <czajkowski> fecking hell 2 days in a row
[16:41] <popey> Get a job you bum!
[16:41] <popey> :)
[16:41] <czajkowski> Do_Not_Go_There
[16:42] <kazade> popey, I know some ATI stuff..
[16:42] <popey> kazade: seems the issue was resolved with a reboot :)
[16:42] <popey> thanks though
[16:42] <kazade> ah k
[16:42] <kazade> sorry, I forgot about IRC for a few hours there ;)
[16:43] <popey> :)
[16:45] <oimon> czajkowski: has something bad happened? i thought you worked at sirius?
[16:45] <czajkowski> oimon: I did, nothing bad just contract finished.
[16:45] <oimon> ah ok
[16:46] <oimon> what you looking for?
[16:46] <czajkowski> not sure back to more techincal work or more open source if I can get it, or plan D anything
[16:46] <popey> Plan F: Wait on tables
[16:48] <DJones> Doesn't gord need a biscuit & coffee gofer - That could be a full time job
[16:48] <czajkowski> DJones: gord has cats
[16:48] <czajkowski> this is a no go
[16:48] <Azelphur> there, my water cooled monster is up and running properly :D
[16:49] <popey> Azelphur: hows the mining?
[16:49] <Azelphur> popey:  havn't started yet, I'm going to start overclocking tonight
[16:49] <popey> haha
[16:49] <popey> BTC up to nearly $6USD each today :)
[16:50] <Azelphur> is that what you have?
[16:50] <popey> is what?
[16:50] <Azelphur> 6 USD/day
[16:50] <popey> I was just quoting the exchange rate
[16:50] <popey> no, thats how much they're selling for
[16:50] <Azelphur> wtf, it was $3 like a week ago
[16:50] <popey> $5.80 or so
[16:50] <popey> yeah
[16:50] <Azelphur> jeez
[16:50] <popey> indeed
[16:50] <popey> and getting ever harder to mine as the days go by :)
[16:51] <Azelphur> hehe, not so much for me
[16:51] <Azelphur> I can do 150mhash/sec without overclocking
[16:51] <oimon> i shouldn't do major software upgrades so late in the day :(
[16:52] <popey> it gets harder for everyone
[16:52] <oimon> popey: i have acess to a HPC cluster..can i make a small fortune in producing bitcons?
[16:52] <popey> if they have GPUs, probably yes
[16:53] <popey> if you can sell them :)
[16:53] <oimon> few hundred nodes...usually they are looking for planets but hey
[16:53] <popey> heh
[16:53] <oimon> they are looking for a linux cluster admin if anyone is interested
[16:54] <oimon> i think it's been mentioned on linuxjobs
[16:54] <Azelphur> popey: my bitcoin doesn't seem to want to connect, haha
[16:55] <popey> failure
[16:56] <Azelphur> oh there we go, 1 connection
[16:56] <Azelphur> 0 connections :(
[16:56] <popey> heh
[16:58] <Azelphur> popey: 40C idle, 55.5C running stress --cpu 8
[16:58] <Azelphur> so 55.5C is my absolute max temp that'll ever happen :D
[17:00] <Azelphur> oh wait, 55.5 but I don't have the fans at all cranked up. Lets crank the fans up :D
[17:06] <bigcalm> Only just read about bitcoin. Guess it's not big news yet
[17:06] <popey> its been mentioned on cnn
[17:06] <bigcalm> I don't watch cnn
[17:06] <popey> neither do i
[17:06] <popey> i was merely indicating it's maintsreamness
[17:06] <bigcalm> I see
[17:07] <popey> the more people who get involved the harder it is to generate coins apparently
[17:07] <bigcalm> Seems little point to it if it doesn't actually work
[17:08] <popey> define work
[17:09]  * popey pokes dutchie 
[17:09] <dutchie> what
[17:09] <bigcalm> I don't see myself paying my rent with it :)
[17:09] <dutchie> why am i being poked?
[17:09]  * Azelphur pokes dutchie
[17:10] <dutchie> this is worse than facebook
[17:10] <popey> look up dutchie
[17:10] <popey> same convo in two channels
[17:10] <dutchie> yes
[17:10] <dutchie> btc is annoying
[17:10] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:10] <dutchie> every day i think "oh far too expensive to buy any now, should have done it months ago"
[17:11] <dutchie> then the next day they have gained another 50% of value
[17:11] <dutchie> i suspect i would not do particularly well in the world of stocks and shares
[17:19] <danfish> dutchie: you're doing a maths degree aren't you? the analytical arms of broking houses love that sort of degree
[17:19] <bigcalm> Oh I do like "Send to phone" in chrome :)
[17:20] <bigcalm> Until I get a tablet, reading documentation will be done on my phone
[17:20] <bigcalm> (I need to rest my back but do research at the same time)
[17:24] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Ubuntu Developer Summit in Budapest - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4429
[17:24] <popey> Azelphur: you doing pooled mining?
[17:25] <popey> Azelphur: and what cards did you go for in the end?
[17:25] <Azelphur> popey: I might do.
[17:25] <Azelphur> popey: I havn't build a bitcoin miner, this is just my personal PC xD
[17:25] <popey> sure
[17:25] <Azelphur> although using my idle time for bitcoin sounds like fun.
[17:25] <Azelphur> I have a GTX 570 and a 8800GT
[17:26] <dutchie> danfish: i have no desire whatsoever to go into finance of any type
[17:26] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/262643 holy cow
[17:27] <danfish> dutchie: good on you :)
[17:27] <popey> people seriously buy video cards that are 600+notes?
[17:27] <DJones> Whats the betting you need the nvidia driver for it
[17:27] <Psychobudgie> I used to comically buy them
[17:28] <popey> wonder if unity will work better with this GTX460 than my old 7900GT :)
[17:29] <Psychobudgie> well it works absolutely fine with my 8600gt
[17:29] <Psychobudgie> when I say it works absolutely fine, I mean from a graphical performance perspective of course
[17:30] <popey> it's certainly better once you get rid of the stupid delays in alt-tab
[17:30] <popey> why on earth you'd want to deliberately slow down the act of switching from one app to another, I can't quite fathom
[17:31] <Psychobudgie> for the same reason many other decisions where made in unity
[17:32] <Psychobudgie> drugs. stay away from them or if they didn't take drugs, take more of them
[17:32] <popey> i suspect its a compiz default
[17:32] <popey> not a concious decision
[17:32] <Psychobudgie> after much tinkering, playing and tampering I've gone back to gnome 2 and docky
[17:33] <Psychobudgie> it's superior in every wat
[17:33] <Psychobudgie> way even
[17:35] <reaper4334> same, gnome 2 is just much more customisable
[17:35] <Psychobudgie> gnome 3 was ok but still has many issues that they need to sort out
[17:36] <popey> you change your tune :)
[17:37] <popey> < Psychobudgie> in that case put gnome 3 on all the new machines, they'll love you for it
[17:37] <Psychobudgie> popey, that was in response to him commenting that his staff don't like anything new
[17:37] <popey> I know :)
[17:37] <popey> I was pulling you leg.
[17:38] <Psychobudgie> heh
[17:38] <Psychobudgie> gnome 3 though is still a million miles better than unity
[17:39] <reaper4334> I don't know, I'm not sure about the window management and the way that the workspaces now work
[17:39] <Psychobudgie> workspaces work surprisingly well
[17:39] <Psychobudgie> window management while not perfect is way better than unity
[17:39] <Psychobudgie> can atleast find the window I need quickly in gnome 3
[17:40] <reaper4334> gnome 3's workspace management ran realllly slowly with in onboard graphics 'cause of the "slide" on sort of effect changing workspaces
[17:40] <reaper4334> so I kinda gave up with it
[17:40] <reaper4334> that, and I couldn't figure out how to move the close button to the left
[17:40] <Psychobudgie> reaper4334, did you try using fallback mode
[17:41] <reaper4334> What's fallback mode? I can't say I looked into it for long
[17:41] <Psychobudgie> it's for onboard chipsets, etc
[17:41] <Psychobudgie> less graphic effects
[17:41] <reaper4334> ah, I didn't know about that. Whereabouts would I find it? I might have to give it another try with that
[17:42] <Psychobudgie> don't know, never had to use it. It's mentioned on the gnome 3 site though
[17:42] <reaper4334> fair enough, I'll have a look into that and give it another try then
[18:04] <reaper4334> Does anyone know how to make xchat automatically identify with nickserv?
[18:08] <kkitano> you need to ctrl-s
[18:08] <kkitano> and go to edit
[18:09] <kkitano> and u put your nickserv password there
[18:09] <kkitano> u also might want to add "set irc_join_delay 5" in connect command
[18:10] <kkitano> to stop it trying to join your channels before indentifying
[18:10] <reaper4334> ctrl-s saves discussion transcript?
[18:10] <kkitano> go to xchat->network list
[18:13] <reaper4334> thanks, I tried that.. I'll reconnect and see if it works
[18:16] <reaper4334> yeah I think that worked, thanks
[18:16] <kkitano> cool :)
[18:50] <Azelphur> popey: grr, it takes me like 2 hours to get a bitcoin connection
[18:50] <Azelphur> wonder what's up with it :s
[18:52] <Azelphur> still, mining now :D, currently pulling 130k mhash
[18:59] <kkitano> what is bitcoin mining?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> bitcoins
[19:26] <DJones> kkitano: From the descriptions, bitcoins seem to be internet money backed by fresh air
[19:27] <Azelphur> damn, conky is annoying me.
[19:27] <Azelphur> It keeps crashing with "Conky: you don't need that many fonts, sorry."
[19:27] <Azelphur> what a stupid, annoying error.
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: well, you don't need that many fonts! :)
[19:28] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:28] <Azelphur> except that I do, I have a rather intricate setup I worked on for quite a while :/
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: 13 years ago: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19981017
[19:30] <Azelphur> exactly :p
[19:30] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/2011-01-13-041505_3840x1200_scrot.png my conky setup wins :(
[19:30] <Azelphur> it also needs lots of fonts.
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> Lots of fonts is usually a sign of doing it wrong :)
[19:33] <Azelphur> or the sign of using weather and icon fonts.
[19:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I think it's actually complaining more because I use the same set of fonts often, rather than different fonts too
[19:38] <Azelphur> omg, it just crashes randomly with that error, so annoying :/
[19:39] <Azelphur> it runs for a while then dies :(
[19:40] <Azelphur> I guess I'll try taking an icon font out and using images to replace it... *sigh*
[19:43] <Azelphur> if it really comes to it I guess I'll have to do something totally retarded like embedding the static text that conky renders onto my wallpaper.
[19:45] <Azelphur> yep still errors, embedding text into the wallpaper ftw.
[19:46] <matthew_> evening all - I'm getting a "504 gateway time-out" on the Ubuntu One Music store (via RhythmBox) for the last couple of evenings - is it actually down?
[19:52] <popey> Azelphur: I do love your conky setup
[19:52] <popey> matthew_: no idea, I'd ask in #ubuntuone
[19:55] <allooba> Hi
[19:56] <allooba> I have aproblem in connecting with en0
[19:56] <allooba> can someone help plz
[19:56] <allooba> hello
[19:56] <allooba> any one here
[19:58] <JGJones> Azelphur, that's an awesome conky setup there :)
[19:58] <allooba> I need help
[19:59] <allooba> I am facing aproblem with connection
[20:05] <reaper4334> I've never tried conky, does it go well with unity?
[20:12] <ali1234> http://alpha.gov.uk/          ........ oh dear
[20:12] <tugrik> oh dear?
[20:13] <ali1234> yes, oh dear
[20:13] <ali1234> they let web designers make it
[20:13] <ali1234> which means it's impossible to find anything
[20:13] <ali1234> but it sure does *look* nice
[20:14] <ali1234> it will look horribly dated in about 6 months of course
[20:14] <reaper4334> and ironically the first thing it says is "Alpha.gov.uk is an experimental prototype of a single UK Government website. It aims to be as simple as possible..."
[20:15] <ali1234> yes
[20:15] <ali1234> that's why everything is in 16pt font
[20:15] <ali1234> incase you have bad eyesight and you don't know how to zoom in
[20:15] <reaper4334> yeahh
[20:15] <ali1234> of course since everything is in 16pt, there's hardly any room for more than about 10 words on each page
[20:15] <ali1234> but that's ok, because too many words just confuses people
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Haha: "that 6 megabyte video becomes 8 MB for transit because it has to be encoded as 80 column lines that are safe for punch cards" http://blog.mimecast.com/2011/02/why-is-email-so-complicated-part-221-the-legacy-of-punch-cards/
[20:31] <GreenDance> Hi, I've done a minimal Ubuntu install, but I have no sound, could someone tell me what I need to do to get sound, Thank You
[20:32] <reaper4334> What sound card do you use?
[20:33] <GreenDance> I'm not sure, I'm using a laptop
[20:33] <reaper4334> What laptop is it?
[20:33] <GreenDance> acer
[20:33] <reaper4334> Not sure. Have you tried checking to see if any additional drivers need to be installed?
[20:33] <reaper4334> System Settings -> Additional Drivers
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> for a sound card?
[20:35] <GreenDance> pardon?
[20:36] <GreenDance> is there a command line command I can do?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> GreenDance: try alsamixer first -- see if the channels aren't muted
[20:41] <ocean22> hi guys I recently installed ubuntu 11.04 on my hp pavilion laptop dv6-3150 sa. i am using gnome interface and my compiz is not wokring, can any one help
[20:41] <ocean22> pls
[20:42] <ocean22> i have got switchable graphics inside
[20:42] <ocean22> ati+intel
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ocean22: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[20:44] <ocean22> MartijnVdS, thanks, i had a look at that, i think switcheroo is already installed, where can i find it to switch
[20:45] <popey> reaper4334: cat /proc/asound/cards
[20:45] <popey> reaper4334: anything listed there?
[20:52] <reaper4334> popey, did you mean to ask that to GreenDance?
[20:55] <daubers> Lightning is rubbish
[20:55] <daubers> I can't seem to find a way to customise the printed calender very much
[20:59] <popey> oops
[20:59]  * daubers considers altering the JS to pull a stylesheet from somewhere else
[21:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E06  Look for the Truth - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/05/11/s04e06-look-for-the-truth/
[21:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Video of the Week: Chromebooks - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/05/video-of-the-week-chromebooks/
[21:31] <czajkowski> popey: fix your url link
[21:31] <czajkowski> extra S
[21:35] <DJones> Heh www.pocket-lint.com seems to be having problems, nice error message being displayed http://www.pocket-lint.com/images/im-in-ur-serverz.gif
[21:35] <DJones> And seems to be fixed very quickly
[21:38] <popey> czajkowski: can you be slightly more specific?
[21:38] <czajkowski> S04E06 S Look for the Truth
[21:38] <czajkowski> the S
[21:39] <czajkowski> is there a reason for it or am I being thick in reading it ?
[21:39] <popey> not a problem I can fix
[21:39] <popey> its the bot, not the site
[21:39] <popey> possibly a unicode issue
[21:40] <czajkowski> ah okie dokie
[21:40] <czajkowski> but not me being thick
[21:40] <czajkowski> which ya know is also possible
[21:40] <popey> :)
[21:41] <Mr-Woof> lo all
[21:41] <popey> hello
[21:43] <czajkowski> http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ <<---
[21:43] <ali1234> you could use - instead of –
[21:44] <popey> dunno where the – comes from
[21:44] <popey> i think wordpress is doing it
[21:46] <mgdm> popey: it does
[21:46] <popey> ah
[21:46] <popey> silly wordpress
[21:46] <mgdm> it also has a function that capitalizes any mention of the word 'Wordpress' properly
[21:47] <mgdm> on every request, content or template
[21:47] <popey> oh dear
[21:47] <ali1234> lol
[21:47] <czajkowski> mgdm: I wish Ubuntu did on its system
[21:47] <popey> I had a tweet from a friend today
[21:47] <popey> "If I ask nicely will you install Ubuntu on my Dads PC?"
[21:47] <czajkowski> awwwww
[21:47] <popey> bet it's a manky old heap of junk
[21:47] <popey> I have asked for specs :)
[21:47] <Mr-Woof> charge him :)
[21:50] <Mr-Woof> Does anyone have 11.04 running in a VM using VirtualBox? Does Virtualbox support unity?
[21:53] <DJones> Mr-Woof: Not sure if this willhelp, but http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-test-ubuntu-1104-with-unity-in.html
[21:53] <Mr-Woof> thanks for the link, I'll have a look
[21:54] <DJones> There may be something more up-to-date on the web, but that was the first link I found, somebody has posted either that one or something similar fairly recently though
[21:55] <Mr-Woof> It's just installing now in VirtualBox, I'll have a go and report back with results :-)
[22:14] <shauno> Mr-Woof: I've heard it works if you use the latest vbox, and install guest additions from ubuntu's repo rather than thru the vbox ui
[22:17] <Mr-Woof> hmm thanks, It's installed and using the command in the link didn't work. It came up with a 3d hardware error.
[22:17] <Mr-Woof> I'll see what else I can find
[22:18] <dogmatic69> anyone by change used awstats with cherokee?
[22:22] <czajkowski> nn folks
[22:24] <Mr-Woof> laters
[22:26] <gord> home :)
[22:26] <gord> uds was fun!
[22:29] <ocean22> hi guys i was trying to install simple-ccsm on ubuntu 11.04 (64 bit) i am getting this error meessage simple-ccsm:
[22:29] <ocean22>  Depends: python-compizconfig but it is not going to be installed
[22:29] <ocean22>  Depends: compizconfig-settings-manager but it is not going to be installed
[22:29] <ocean22> can any one help
[22:30] <gord> do you explicitly need simple-ccsm?
[22:31] <ocean22> gord, i was trying to install ubuntu control centre. it needs simple cssm to complete its installation
[22:33] <gord> interesting, not sure what the solution is there
[22:35] <ocean22> gord, is there any chance that u can help me with some issue of switchable graphics on ubuntu
[22:58] <ali1234> ubuntu kernel git is down :(
[22:58] <ali1234> anyone got a mirror?
[22:58] <ali1234> maybe there'sone on kernel.org