[00:05] <rick_h__> really?
[00:05] <rick_h__> ugh
[00:05] <snap-l> ?
[00:05] <rick_h__> oh no, rj-45?! holy crap!
[00:06] <snap-l> heh
[00:07] <waldo323> hungry?
[00:15] <snap-l> Was there a brazillian beef at Penguicon?
[00:15] <snap-l> because I can't for the life of me figure out WTF Brad is talking about
[00:39] <rick_h__> shoot...me...now
[00:39] <rick_h__> waldo323: I hold you responsible for this as well
[00:39] <Blazeix> snap-l: lol, were you paying attention?
[00:40] <Blazeix> "where the hell is settings?" "go, here, under the power menu"
[00:40] <waldo323> snap-l, there wasn't brazillian beef and brad wasn't even there
[00:40] <waldo323> which thing rick_h__
[00:44] <snap-l> waldo323: Yeah, that's what I thought
[00:45] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, I know
[00:45] <snap-l> It's not liek I wasn't John the Baptist of the Settings Menu or anything. ;)
[00:45] <snap-l> REPENT FOR THE SETTINGS MENU IS HIDDEN
[00:45] <Blazeix> snap-l: you are responsible for all of unity, in my mind.
[00:46] <snap-l> Thanks for that.
[00:53] <rick_h__> hah, let's blame snap-l and waldo323
[00:53] <rick_h__> what else can we blame them for
[00:55] <snap-l> Just blame us for everything
[00:55] <rick_h__> next time I'm bringing a timer
[00:55] <snap-l> heh
[00:55] <snap-l> I didn't think we needed one
[00:55] <snap-l> And I'm wrong wrong wrong
[00:55] <rick_h__> I present exhibit A
[00:56] <snap-l> heh
[00:56] <Blazeix> that was actually pretty impressive
[00:58] <Blazeix> ooh, are we going to be on a projector?
[00:59] <Blazeix> oh, nope. It's on #mugorg, I think
[00:59] <rick_h__> ty
[00:59] <rick_h__> lol
[01:00] <rick_h__> almost leaked the back channel
[01:00] <Blazeix> hey look, snap-l is back.
[01:00] <rick_h__> hey!
[01:01] <waldo323> good evening!
[01:11] <snap-l> Man, rick_h__ is making us all look like punters. ;)
[01:11] <greg-g> Oh?
[01:12] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[01:12] <_stink_> awesome, go rick_h__!
[01:13] <Blazeix> and I'm going after him :) luckily my presentation is about 2 minutes.
[01:13] <_stink_> hah
[01:13] <waldo323> :)
[01:14] <greg-g> awesome! sorry I had to miss it
[01:31] <snap-l> Yeah, it's the first time I saw everyone really impressed with the discussion
[04:58] <rick_h__> lol, it's easy when you can finally show something that you're passionate about
[05:20] <snap-l> Alrightie... time for sleep
[05:20] <snap-l> Laterness
[13:41] <brousch> oh yes, that's the shiznit. 24oz of french roast from biggby
[13:41] <brousch> how'd the mug thing go last night?
[13:42] <brousch> you guys are very quiet this morning. still hung over?
[13:54] <rick_h__> late night zzzz
[14:03] <snap-l> heh
[14:03] <snap-l> MUG went pretty well overall
[14:04] <rick_h__> I admit it. Took the boy to day care and went back to bed for another hour
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[14:04] <snap-l> aww, I'm telling
[14:07] <jjesse> wow that must be nice
[14:07] <jjesse> dropped the boy at day care and went to work :(
[14:10] <snap-l> Also, tried Ubuntu One Music player on the iPhone
[14:10] <snap-l> If it was free, I'd be a lot happier
[14:10] <snap-l> Paying $3.99 a month is not worth it
[14:10] <snap-l> drops songs like the iPhone drops calls
[14:11] <rick_h__> lol
[14:11] <rick_h__> even on wifi?
[14:11] <snap-l> On wifi it's fine
[14:11] <rick_h__> k, gotcha
[14:11] <snap-l> but I don't need it on wifi. ;)
[14:31]  * snap-l should have left myself logged in overnight
[14:32] <snap-l> I copied a bunch of music to U1, and it's still copying over.
[14:32] <rick_h__> I'm missing the connection
[14:32] <snap-l> It's making my network sloooooow
[14:32] <snap-l> uploads = bandwidth hell
[14:32] <rick_h__> oic
[14:33] <snap-l> Which is why whenever folks come to offer me higher downloads, I ask if they'll offer me higher uploads as well
[14:34] <snap-l> Download speeds are great, but uploads are where I really get killed
[14:36] <rick_h__> yea, understand that
[14:36] <rick_h__> I keep getting tempted by the next plan up on uverse because the upload caps goes up on the highest level
[14:36] <rick_h__> but not until you pay the highest level and I don't use the download enough
[14:38] <snap-l> I blame the 56K modem. Got us used to not having parity between download and upload. :)
[14:41] <greg-g> snap-l: you know..... that isn't the craziest idea in the world
[14:43] <rick_h__> dammit, NC dude getting active and ancy in IM too early this morning
[14:55] <snap-l> greg-g: Which idea is getting me credit this morning?
[14:56] <jjesse> the 56k modem comment
[14:56] <snap-l> Ah, OK. :)
[14:56] <brousch> ok, wtf is this? http://u3d.as/content/noam-gat/python-interpreter/1Qb
[14:57] <brousch> bah, it's some game thing. i thought it was python in Unity desktop thing
[14:57] <brousch> original names people!
[14:57] <brousch> it's not that hard
[14:57] <jrwren> i uploaded 80G of music to my web host once. they didn't like that much, even though they were my rips, they deleted 'em and told me no.
[14:57] <jrwren> bastards.
[14:57] <snap-l> Yeah, there's the Unity 3D game engine
[14:58] <snap-l> jrwren: A2?
[14:58] <jrwren> no
[14:59] <snap-l> jrwren: I love this tweet:
[14:59] <snap-l> RT @babernethy: OH: "Android everywhere?!? Isn't this what Java and Linux were supposed to do ..." -um, dude Android is Java and Linux ...
[14:59] <jrwren> yeah.
[15:00] <snap-l> There's no sense of history, is there?
[15:00] <jrwren> nope
[15:02] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://gigaom.com/2011/05/11/android-everywhere/
[15:04] <brousch> rick_h__: you're giving me a geekon again
[15:04] <snap-l> rick_h__: Gee, the promise of X10 in 1980 is once again being trotted out in 2011
[15:05] <snap-l> "Wake up to a fresh pot of coffee in the morning with X10"
[15:05] <snap-l> but yes, I think we're going to see more smart-home initiatives like this
[15:05] <snap-l> especially now since it's "green"
[15:06] <snap-l> though the mesh networking is very intriguing
[15:06] <jrwren> i'm glad they don't talk about chromeos anymore. android is all you need.
[15:07] <rick_h__> jrwren: it's coming today
[15:07] <rick_h__> rumor is a $20/mo student chromeos laptop
[15:07] <rick_h__> today is chrome day, second keynote
[15:07] <jrwren> lame.
[15:07] <jrwren> they should kill it.
[15:07] <rick_h__> why?
[15:08] <jrwren> there is no need for it when andoid does the same thing
[15:08] <rick_h__> except it doesn't
[15:08] <jrwren> it should
[15:08] <rick_h__> nope
[15:08] <rick_h__> :)
[15:08] <jrwren> why shouldn't it?
[15:08] <rick_h__> chromeos is a desktop OS. Sits on a laptop via keyboard/mouse with big screen and lots of typing
[15:08] <jrwren> id ont' know waht that means.
[15:08] <rick_h__> android is all about touch, media consumption, small bits of checking on stuff
[15:09] <jrwren> disagree strongly.
[15:09] <jrwren> bad vision.
[15:09] <jrwren> if that is really their vision, they shall fail.
[15:09] <snap-l> Android could easily fill the spot left by the gaping void of ChromeOS
[15:09] <rick_h__> then just chalk it up as "I don't understand so I won't tell them what to do"
[15:09] <snap-l> It supports a keyboard, and unless you're Gib's $40 laptop, it supports mouse
[15:09] <rick_h__> you're going to give students that go into school a tablet and tell them they don't need a laptop?
[15:10] <jrwren> of course not. I'm talkingabo andriod on laptop
[15:10] <snap-l> rick_h__: So give them a crippled laptop?
[15:10] <rick_h__> snap-l: sure, it'll work great for most of the liberal arts kids out there
[15:10] <rick_h__> can do IM/chat, video conference, youtube, writing papers, etc
[15:10] <snap-l> And can do that via Android as well
[15:10] <rick_h__> more secure, data loss proof, and has mobile connectivity
[15:11] <rick_h__> fine, dont' use macos...iOS can do it as well
[15:11] <snap-l> I think we're talking past each other :)
[15:11] <snap-l> Laptop form factor = A+
[15:11] <snap-l> ChromeOS concept = A+
[15:11] <rick_h__> Thul uses a BT keyboard with his ipad, just give up your macbook
[15:11] <rick_h__> don't need it
[15:11] <snap-l> Android on laptop, doing chromeOS things = A++
[15:12] <jrwren> what snap-l said
[15:12] <jrwren> snap-l++
[15:12] <rick_h__> I don't think so. I like the separation
[15:12] <jrwren> that is what i'm trying to say.
[15:12] <jrwren> U-N-I-T-Y
[15:12] <rick_h__> they're different use cases entirely
[15:12] <jrwren> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cHxydDb7o
[15:12] <rick_h__> I don't sit down with android for hours at a time
[15:12] <jrwren> why not?
[15:13] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, because windows on mobile devices has gone so well for them
[15:13] <rick_h__> everyone's dying for that unified platform on their mobile
[15:13] <rick_h__> :P
[15:13] <jrwren> one pers failed attempts does not make an idea bad. see every invention ever for evidence.
[15:13] <snap-l> rick_h__: Once Apple does it, everyone will do it
[15:13] <snap-l> Don't think it hasn't crossed someone's mind over there. ;)
[15:14] <jrwren> of course it has. when they launched macbookair they called it an ipad with a keybaord
[15:14] <rick_h__> oh I know, and that's part of the macos on arm stuff is to try to help get some binary compatibility
[15:14] <rick_h__> but I think when you try to build something with too different of target audiences you end up making compromises that make both suck
[15:14] <snap-l> rick_h__: Oh, no doubt
[15:14] <rick_h__> be it UI/UX design for the different uses, software sluggishness trying to be all to all
[15:14] <snap-l> which is partially why I think ChromeOS isn't the wave it could be
[15:15] <snap-l> It's a neat concept, but damn it's locked down
[15:15] <rick_h__> just like I don't want linux on my phone (see every failed attempt at that)
[15:15] <rick_h__> I don't want my mobile OS on my daily driver machine
[15:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: Except you have Linux on your phone
[15:15] <snap-l> Maybe a beter example is GNOME on the phone
[15:15] <rick_h__> sorry...I don't want Gnome on my phone...
[15:16] <rick_h__> or KDE, or whatever the flavor toolset of the month is for the next great handset
[15:16] <snap-l> Yeah, totally agree.
[15:16] <snap-l> That's partially why the Nokia 770 was interesting, but not compelling
[15:16] <snap-l> Maemo was an attempt to get a desktop on a mobile device
[15:17] <snap-l> And moblin / meego / mplxplytktx is also doomed if they keep the same goals.
[15:18] <snap-l> And why I stand by my assertion that if you have a phone OS that has "Take screenshot" three menu levels in, you're fucked.
[15:19] <rick_h__> lol
[15:21] <jrwren> now you are just talking implementation details.
[15:21] <jrwren> which are irrelevant.
[15:22] <snap-l> No, it's a statement on how developer-centric your OS is
[15:22] <snap-l> No user is going to want to take a screenshot of their device
[15:23] <greg-g> rick_h__: thought you'd be interested in this: http://pythoscope.org/, found it from http://www.disneyanimation.com/technology/opensource.html
[15:24] <snap-l> nice!
[15:24] <snap-l> Disney has been using Python pretty extensively
[15:24] <greg-g> oh, yeah, you too snap-l :)
[15:24] <snap-l> Linux as well.
[15:25] <rick_h__> greg-g: cool
[15:26] <jrwren> they own pixar who has used renderman on linux for over a decade :)
[15:26] <snap-l> right
[15:27] <snap-l> Apparently my current boss' cousin was responsible for Wall-E
[15:27] <snap-l> which, being an animation fan, really made me happy.
[15:30] <jrwren> responsible for?
[15:30] <jrwren> like lead sysadmin
[15:30] <jrwren> or directed the movie?
[15:30] <snap-l> Like director
[15:30] <jrwren> andrew stanton?
[15:30] <snap-l> a-yep
[15:31] <jrwren> wow.
[15:31] <jrwren> legend
[15:31] <jrwren> ary
[15:31] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:32] <brousch> i hav an app to take screenshots of my phone
[15:32] <snap-l> brousch: That's different
[15:32] <brousch> 3 clicks and a shake
[15:32] <snap-l> a) you're a developer, and b) you installed that on your phone
[15:33] <snap-l> I'm not saying that taking a screenshot on a phone isn't important for developers, I'm saying that baking it into the OS means you're not focusing on the users.
[15:33] <snap-l> Which, in turn, means you're fucked.
[15:34] <snap-l> (mobile OS, I mean)
[15:35] <greg-g> snap-l: wait, having a screenshot function is anti-user? how else do you want me to share my fancy iphone weather app information on twitter with such witty commentary as "boy is it cold out!"
[15:39] <snap-l> greg-g: Personally, or for the sake of this conversation? ;)
[15:42] <brousch> i've only been an android developer for a week :P
[15:42] <brousch> had screenshot for a year
[15:43] <snap-l> brousch: You've been a developer longer than that
[15:43] <greg-g> snap-l: for the sake of the conversation. I mean, I see people sharing iphone screenshots all the time, seems to be a wanted feature
[15:44] <greg-g> and by people I mean "non-developers"
[15:44] <snap-l> greg-g: Point taken
[15:45] <snap-l> And yes, there are times where I've wished for screenshots on the iPhone
[15:46] <snap-l> It's mostly a slam on the Open Moko
[15:47] <snap-l> since when I saw it, it didn't do much except make phone calls and take screenshots.
[15:47] <greg-g> gotcha, I missed that reference :)
[15:49] <snap-l> I blame the network. ;)
[15:52] <brousch> omg people have lost their minds today
[15:52] <brousch> i'm going to kick a puppy
[15:52] <snap-l> brousch: What's wrong now?
[15:53] <brousch> everyone has forgotten how todo things they've been doing for a decade
[15:53] <snap-l> Welcome to the age of Google.
[15:53] <snap-l> Idiocracy is not far behind
[15:53] <brousch> yet they resist new systems
[15:53] <brousch> because they would have to learn how to do it a different way
[15:54]  * snap-l just shuddered at the thought of a world where the primary information resource is a SEO-ridden Google.
[15:54] <brousch> half of everything i know i learned from Slashdot
[15:54] <jrwren> that is frightening.
[15:54] <brousch> truly
[15:54] <jrwren> it means that half of everything you know is wrong.
[15:54] <snap-l> Natalie Portman, petrified, with a hot bowl of grits?
[15:55] <brousch> i've been trying to learn "the right way" for about 3 years
[15:55] <snap-l> to petrify Natalie Portman?
[15:55] <rick_h__> brousch: keep going, 3yrs means you've learned how to do it wrong 3 ways
[15:56] <snap-l> I believe it starts by stuffing hot bowls of grits down your pants
[15:56] <rick_h__> then you learn how to do it wrong 5 ways in 5 years
[15:56] <rick_h__> and after that I think you just decide "@#$*@# it, my way is pretty damn good enough"
[15:57] <brousch> i've learned a lot from better devs in here and in various user groups
[15:57] <snap-l> Hi Craig,
[15:58] <snap-l> We do not publish, nor indeed, create the content that is sold through Kobo. We work alongside publishers by ensuring our technical standards run parallel, but we are not experts in creating content, publishers provide us with the books they wish to sell, and the format they prefer to sell it in. The vast majority of content works without any issues, those that have errors in them, we refer back to the publisher to be resolved. We apologiz
[15:58] <snap-l> Sincerely,
[15:58] <snap-l> The Kobo Team
[15:58]  * snap-l will post the rest in paste-bin
[16:00] <brousch> SPAMMER
[16:01] <snap-l> Blergh. rick's paste-bin isnt' working
[16:01] <rick_h__> snap-l: loads here ?
[16:02] <snap-l> It's giving me an internal server error when I paste in this text.
[16:02] <rick_h__> ah, sucky
[16:02] <snap-l> I'll post it later
[16:03] <snap-l> Once u1 finishes syncing 8GB of music
[16:04] <snap-l> Only 418 more files
[16:05] <snap-l> watch "u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l" ;)
[16:06] <rick_h__> hah
[16:07] <snap-l> There's only 877 files in the directory
[16:07] <snap-l> *sigh*
[16:07] <snap-l> Not one of my brightest moves
[16:07] <rick_h__> 50% baby!
[16:07] <brousch> hah, i was going to suggest using mine, but it 500'd too
[16:08] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/73195364
[16:08] <snap-l> well, that's comforting
[16:08] <rick_h__> heh, time to kill/wait for the weekend
[16:09] <snap-l> Somehow I'm thinking I'm the one degrading the performance
[16:09] <snap-l> Can't imagine anyone else using this. ;)
[16:12] <greg-g> hey snap-l, do you have the Michigan Team LocoDirectory calendar loaded up in your gcal?
[16:13] <snap-l> Yeah
[16:13] <greg-g> the UH:CHC events appear to start at 4pm
[16:13] <snap-l> on it
[16:13] <snap-l> They're set for 20:00UTC
[16:13] <greg-g> thanks man. I guess I could have complained to rick_h__ as well :)
[16:14] <snap-l> Wow, that's annoying
[16:14] <greg-g> hehe
[16:16] <rick_h__> ahahahahahahahaha http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/05/11/1450208/Developer-Blames-Apple-For-Ruining-eBook-Business
[16:16] <rick_h__>  "We bet everything on Apple and iOS and then Apple killed us by changing the rules in the middle of the game."
[16:17] <greg-g> holy.... http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg
[16:17] <rick_h__> greg-g: what am I missing here?
[16:17] <brousch> heh, someone created a unity clone in kde?
[16:18] <jjesse> hahah
[16:18] <jjesse> brousch those are just customizing kde to look like unity
[16:18] <jjesse> no actual code
[16:18] <brousch> yeah yeah
[16:18] <rick_h__> so instead of writing unity, they could have figured out the kde settings menus instead :P
[16:18] <brousch> same level of complexity
[16:19] <jjesse> big rumor/flameware on identi.ca today from one of the kubuntu developers whos posted a smart ass comment about kubuntu switching to unity
[16:19] <jjesse> its a good converstation
[16:20] <rick_h__> if re.match('/unity/'): conversation == False
[16:20] <snap-l> Ah, I think I figured this out
[16:20] <rick_h__> and with that, I've got to run...
[16:20] <snap-l> If you put a location for the event, you can set the timezone
[16:21] <snap-l> doing that makes it not have to use UTC
[16:21] <greg-g> snap-l: I *thought* there was somethign like that
[16:21] <greg-g> snap-l: there should be a little notice about that on the event details edit page, so you dont' have to remembe those things :)
[16:22] <snap-l> Probably the same UI developers that thought the top menu was a great idea. (just saying)
[16:22] <greg-g> hehe
[16:23] <snap-l> in any event, there's a location for Caribou, along with a note that Google Maps is fucked.
[16:23] <brousch> google maps is the bizomb
[16:23] <brousch> do not speak ill of it
[16:27] <ColonelPanic001> I nearly got hopelessly lost going to CHC once because of that bug
[16:27] <ColonelPanic001> I had to call _stink_ and have him give me directions. I was a mile or two in the wrong direction
[16:27] <greg-g> oh yeah, that issue, East vs West and such
[16:28] <ColonelPanic001> I reported it on google maps, I think. That was what, a year ago or something? meh
[16:28] <snap-l> I've been bit by that when I had to go to the urologist's office
[16:28] <snap-l> Said their office was on the Van Dyke Espressway bridge
[16:30] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: you can fix those bugs yourself now
[16:31] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[16:31] <ColonelPanic001> they have a bajillion dollars, they can hire someone to answer my email and fix it. :P
[16:32] <brousch> http://www.google.com/mapmaker
[16:33] <brousch> it's free! contribute!
[16:33] <brousch> just like open source software
[16:36] <snap-l> Funny enough, they have the right location when you type Caribou Coffee
[16:36] <snap-l> but not when you type the address
[16:37] <jjesse> i have had two changes accepted already
[16:37] <rick_h__> ok, that explains it then
[16:37] <rick_h__> I was going to say I've never seen this bug/issue you guys talk about
[16:37] <rick_h__> but I find by name
[16:48] <greg-g> sure, be slave labor
[16:49] <greg-g> why not instead own the contributions you make and contribute to Open Street Map
[16:49] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg&feature=youtu.be
[16:55] <rick_h__> ok, so not taking anyone as metal that's cutting tofu
[16:55] <snap-l> It's funny
[16:55] <snap-l> laugh
[16:56] <snap-l> Totally subscribing to this channel
[16:57] <snap-l> Hey, Qik is also going to Microsoft
[16:57] <snap-l> http://www.geekwire.com/2011/confirmed-qik-part-microsoft
[17:02] <rick_h__> why wouldn't it?
[17:02] <snap-l> Considering eBay managed to get Skype but not the IP, I'm impressed Microsoft had enough forethought to ask. ;)
[17:04] <rick_h__> lol
[17:05] <snap-l> Also, I love how everyone's little GNU pet project for telephony is getting dusted off
[17:05] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/h8u52/is_it_the_time_for_gnu_free_call/
[17:05] <_stink_> ekiga!
[17:06] <snap-l> The time for GNU Free-call was about 1 year before this announcement
[17:07] <snap-l> _stink_: You should have been at MUG last night
[17:07] <snap-l> I don't think anyone mentioned ekiga at all... oh, wait. Yeah, yeah they did
[17:07] <snap-l> about 4 different ways.
[17:07] <rick_h__> lol
[17:07] <_stink_> haha
[17:08] <_stink_> nice
[17:09] <snap-l> And they got indignant when I said that I couldn't get it to do shit
[17:10] <snap-l> I think it's partially because of my firewall
[17:16] <wolfger> jjesse: flameware? Is that what Slashdot runs on?
[17:20] <snap-l> You might know it better as "perl"
[17:35] <jrwren> pretty cool that google is saying linux is the same as windows and mac in this chrome presentation.
[17:35] <jrwren> he didn't even say "oh and also linux" like i often here.
[17:37] <wolfger> where? ;-)
[17:40] <rick_h__> jrwren: heh, no problem here in linux on flash including to fullscreen and back
[17:41] <jrwren> good for you.
[17:41] <snap-l> Apparently all I need to do is set up QOS right. :)
[17:41] <tjagoda> QOS?
[17:41] <snap-l> Quality of Service
[17:41] <tjagoda> Yes
[17:42] <tjagoda> What are you trying to set it up on?
[17:42] <snap-l> My router so I don't get into suckville
[17:42] <tjagoda> Be careful with QoS over wifi
[17:42] <tjagoda> lots of consumer routers don't do it right and it screws with Ubuntu particularly
[17:43] <snap-l> Yeah, I know
[17:43] <snap-l> Which is why I'm using Tomato. :)
[17:43] <tjagoda> Nice
[17:46] <snap-l> Let's just put it this way: I can watch The Daily Show, upload to U1, and still have the ability to ssh without having it all go to hell
[17:47] <rick_h__> man as a web dev I love watching these IO things
[17:48] <jrwren> yeah, its just like watching MSFTs Ie10 keynote *sigh*
[17:48] <rick_h__> except it runs on multiple platforms
[17:48] <rick_h__> oh, and doesn't require Win8
[17:49] <snap-l> Or Silverlight
[17:49] <rick_h__> oh, and is still faster/nicer (I tried IE9 the other day for a few)
[17:49] <snap-l> a version that hasn't been released yet
[17:49] <rick_h__> IE can just go away, I've no need to ever see it again. consider it deprecated
[17:50] <snap-l> Legacy. ;)
[17:53] <jrwren> is silverlight?
[17:53] <jrwren> ie10 is silverligth?  I missed that. I don't think it is true.
[17:54] <jrwren> i'm glad MS is doing ie9 and ie10. for many speed things, they seem to be the only ones pushing google.
[17:54] <rick_h__> heh, no I think he more means MS stuff requiring silverlight
[17:54] <snap-l> I meant the viewing the keynotes via silverlight
[17:54] <jrwren> better than flash.
[17:55] <jrwren> i'd much rather see a html5 stream, but we ain't got that.
[17:55] <snap-l> Much like tying your balls to a locomotive is better than being gang-banged by a den of grizzly bears
[17:56] <rick_h__> lol, chrome has arrived, has angry birds now
[17:56] <greg-g> wow, I can always count on you, snap-l, for wonderful one-liners when I glance at IRC
[17:56] <snap-l> greg-g: You're welcome. :)
[17:57] <snap-l> That's me, aiming to please.
[18:02] <wolfger> snap-l: it's better???
[18:15] <rick_h__> here we go, ChromeOS video conferencing
[18:56] <snap-l> greg-g: Should we remove the Ubuntu QA meeting from the group calendar? :)
[19:06] <rick_h__> sweet, angry birds in chrome is cool and works in linux just peachy
[19:30] <tjagoda> https://www.iflowreader.com/Closing.aspx
[19:30] <tjagoda> Anybody need some reason to hate Apple? ^
[19:32] <rick_h__> yea, brought that up a while ago
[19:32] <rick_h__> but honestly, it's more like "YOU STUPID PEOPLE KEEP DOING IT OVER AND OVER"
[19:32] <rick_h__> as people build their business on apple and then when apple taketh, act like it's never happened before and all suprised
[19:33] <tjagoda> Idiots.
[19:34] <tjagoda> Even Microsoft is cooler than the iBook douchbaggery.
[19:34] <tjagoda> =(
[19:34] <snap-l> Nice
[19:35] <tjagoda> We should all send e-mails to iFlow
[19:35] <tjagoda> and tell them to come to the Ubuntu software center.
[19:36] <tjagoda> jcastro, get somebody from Canonical on that shit. =P
[19:36] <rick_h__> nope, why go from one wall to another :P
[19:38] <snap-l> rick_h__: You're so negative. ;)
[19:38] <snap-l> What could be better than getting the 2 users that purchase content under Ubuntu to buy your product? :)
[19:40] <rick_h__> snap-l: bitter from the banshee stuff?
[19:40] <snap-l> cold, man... cold. ;)
[19:40] <rick_h__> or just ack the fact that the ubuntu world is doing some linux splintering
[19:42] <snap-l> NEVER!
[20:01] <greg-g> snap-l: heh, sure :) (re QA meeting)
[20:24] <snap-l> color it gone
[20:24] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:44] <snap-l> Nuts, got outbid on a Wendy Carlos box set.
[20:46] <snap-l> Her stuff goes for insane prices because most of it is OOP
[20:52] <snap-l> http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/05/process-kills-developer-passion.html
[21:17] <snap-l> man, I need to go to Google IO
[21:17] <brousch> you can watch it online
[21:17] <snap-l> Screw the talks, I want the toys.
[21:18] <brousch> i would like to try a chromeos computer
[21:19] <snap-l> Of course the time that I'd go, they'd likely announce the new Google Pet Rock
[21:23] <brousch> or 10 more free appengine slots
[21:58] <snap-l> Yeah, something like that