[02:36] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[02:37] <dmcglone1> My free $100.00 adword coupon came today, are we still going to do that donation thing?
[02:39] <canthus13> sure.
[02:39] <BiosElement> As a side note
[02:39] <BiosElement> Anyone who has time, please shoot an email off regarding this: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/10/urgent-intellectual.html
[02:44] <dmcglone1> canthus13:  mine expire june 30th
[03:16] <Unit193> canthus13: I take it you went for Gnome? (I missed the release too! And I checked their site not lone ago)
[03:21] <canthus13> Unit193: I haven't had the opportunity to get it yet... I just got home from work.
[03:21] <canthus13> It was released today. :)  I'll start torrenting it soon.
[03:23] <Unit193> You going to go with Gnome? (That or KDE... 64 or 32? I already know what I'm getting ;) )
[03:31] <canthus13> Gnome, of course. :)
[04:27] <TheErk> Night all.
[05:01]  * jgould falls asleep
[05:05] <canthus13> jgould: WAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKEEEEEUUUUPPPP!!!!!!!!
[05:06] <Unit193> jgould: You can't sleep now! The night has just started!
[05:10] <jgould> HEh
[05:10] <jgould> I have to be at work at 7:30 AM
[05:10] <Unit193> That's no fun...
[05:10] <jgould> Nope
[05:11] <Unit193> I have to take a shower tomorrow :/
[05:12] <jgould> I'm actually heading to bed now.  I can feel the drugs kicking in.  Night
[05:12] <Unit193> Night!
[05:58]  * BiosElement yawns
[05:59]  * canthus13 tosses a handful of jacks into BiosElement's mouth.
[05:59] <BiosElement> >.> What's up canthus13?
[05:59] <canthus13> Me.
[05:59] <canthus13> for a few more minutes.
[05:59]  * canthus13 is about to torrent the new backtrack.
[05:59] <BiosElement> *hands canthus13 a black eye patch and a saw
[06:00] <Unit193> Speeds don't seem very fast...
[06:06] <canthus13> Unit193: Slow? Nah...
[06:06] <canthus13> 2.5MB/sec isn't slow.
[06:06]  * canthus13 wonders if he could pull the full 3.6MB/sec he's rated at.
[06:07] <Unit193> But 14KB/s is...
[06:07] <canthus13> Unit193: I'll keep seeding, just for you. :)
[06:07] <canthus13> Unit193: do you have torrent ports forwarded?
[06:07] <Unit193> Yep!
[06:08] <canthus13> Unit193: Hmm...
[06:08] <Unit193> Ohhh! It randomly shoots up to 50!
[06:08] <canthus13> Using transmission?
[06:09] <Unit193> Na. I'm sure I'll get it by morning anyway
[06:09] <canthus13> I'm off to bed... 'nite.
[06:09] <BiosElement> Night
[06:09] <Unit193> Have a good one!
[06:09] <canthus13> Cheri703: Oh.. If you get a chance, you think you could send me a couple of those pics? :)
[06:10] <canthus13> BiosElement: Ever see this? http://www.kuriositas.com/2011/04/complete-history-of-soviet-union.html
[06:10] <BiosElement> Nope
[06:10] <canthus13> Pretty slick little short.
[06:10] <Cheri703> ah, yeah. I have the travelling ones done. I went out and did a minor bit of sight seeing last night, but didn't bring him :/ sorry. plans changed at the last minute, original plan wasn't conducive to pics of him, secondary ones (that popped up while we were out) were :/
[06:10] <Cheri703> will make sure to get some more
[06:10] <BiosElement> I'll chck it out
[06:10] <canthus13> All good. :)
[08:00]  * Cheri703 got stickers and pens for mansfield reloco folks :) if someone else is manning the table later I'll try to snag more :)
[12:04] <canthus13> jacob, paultag, BiosElement:  Check loco mail.  There's a problem with the 11.04 CD shipment.
[12:16] <canthus13> (Not that I'm too upset with the idea of not giving Natty to anyone...)
[14:26] <Derath-Srvr> Hi all
[14:30] <canthus13> Cheri703: Thanks for the pics.. you rock. :)  Those should keep him going for a while...
[14:30] <Cheri703> kk, I'll try to get some more. tomorrow we're going out sightseeing, so I'll bring him along
[14:30] <canthus13> Cool! :)
[14:31] <Derath-Srvr> Hmmm... wonder how long we have to decide a new ship to addy before it's sent back...
[14:31] <Cheri703> last night we went out, but the original plan wasn't sully conducive. plans changed and it would have been awesome, but I didn't have him and we were already out
[14:31] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: I think it's taken care of.. Jon got them his work address.
[14:31] <canthus13> I should prolly forward the latest stuff to the ML.
[14:39] <Derath-Srvr> Would be good :)
[15:05] <thafreak> Morning peoples
[15:05] <Derath-Srvr> Mornin
[15:05] <thafreak> Anyone interested in combinding something like linkedin with the web of trust? Like a gpg key app for linkedin?
[15:06] <thafreak> I'm kind of surprised the number of CS people on there, and something like that hasn't been done
[15:14] <Cheri703> from what I understand (and granted, I don't have a super in-depth knowledge of them), gpg keys are not especially important to a lot of people
[15:35] <thafreak> Yes, they aren't now, but they should be
[15:35] <Cheri703> k
[15:36] <thafreak> For example, if gpg keys were in higher use, I doubt there'd be nearly as much spam
[15:36] <thafreak> If you only accept email that's signed, or only email encrypted for you...
[15:36] <Cheri703> it would still get sent
[15:37] <thafreak> spammers keep jumping through hoops, but if they have to start signing their email with gpg keys...I kind of think it won't last too long
[15:37] <Derath-Srvr> they'd spoof the keys...
[15:37] <thafreak> spoof keys?
[15:38] <Derath-Srvr> Yep... Do you think a spammer would use his own key?
[15:38] <Derath-Srvr> so it'd be spoofed or faked...
[15:38] <thafreak> that's kind of the point of these keys...can't be spoofed...they can be compromised..but not spoofed
[15:39] <thafreak> I'm not saying normal everyday people will have to have much of a clue about what gpg keys are...but they should have one, even if they don't know it.
[15:40] <thafreak> These are all parts of the puzzle I've decided to work on, that I'm calling email 2.0...
[15:40] <thafreak> or...object oriented secure messaging...
[16:24] <jgould> is it time to go home yet?
[16:27] <jgould> does any one know how to reset my server saying i have packages to upgrade?
[16:40] <Derath-Srvr> As in, you don't want them to upgrade?
[16:40] <Derath-Srvr> Or you already installed them, and it's still saying upgrade?
[16:52] <thafreak> I've had that problem too lately
[16:53] <thafreak> zap the file /etc/motd.tail
[17:02] <jgould> as in there is nothing to upgrade
[17:04] <thafreak> zap the file /etc/motd.tail, it will get rid of the message about packages that need upgraded
[17:10] <jgould> done  now i need to log out and in but i dont feel like it right now
[18:17] <jgould> that worked.
[18:18] <jgould> thank you, thafreak
[18:20] <J21> Dang computer! (I lost the account/internet again...)
[18:33] <canthus13> thafreak: People have been kicking around various antispam solutions involving emial control for years... signed mail was toyed with years ago, but eventually discarded, as was micropayments for email...
[19:11] <dmcglone1> Hey all. Anybody know how I can connect to one of my networked computers when I'm away from home?
[19:11] <dmcglone1> I want to use remote desktop
[19:12] <dmcglone1> do I use port forwarding?
[19:12] <canthus13> FreeNX.  it uses SSH.
[19:12] <canthus13> YOu'd have to log in as a different user.. it's more like terminal services.
[19:14] <dmcglone1> remote desktop uses SSH too
[19:15] <dmcglone1> I thought I could use a combination like "WAN IP : IP OF NETWORKED COMPUTER"
[19:18] <dmcglone1> never mind I got it, used "WAN IP : PORT"
[19:33] <canthus13> Heh.  http://toblender.com/comic/linux-commands-heard-out-of-context/
[19:33] <canthus13> rdp is slow. :/
[19:33] <canthus13> FreeNX uses better compression.. as long as you're using KDE or GNOME, anyway.
[19:34] <canthus13> It doesn't do quite so well with XFCE, apparently.
[19:34] <canthus13> It's sort of a combination of RDP and X forwarding... and the windows client is portable, so no need to install anything.
[20:12] <Derath-Srvr> btw, great link canthus... and I get the same look when talking about service daemons, rooting, kill -9's, etc...
[20:46] <thafreak> Ok, back...what did I miss
[20:47] <thafreak> ended up re-installing my os on the server I use for irssi
[20:49] <Unit193> Welcome back thafreak
[20:50] <thafreak> so irssi is in main...but vim is not? weird
[20:50] <jgould> hmm...  My Lubuntu install is borked
[20:51] <J21> jgould: That stinks. Do you know what went wrong?
[20:51] <jgould> That I do not...  (at least yet...)
[20:52] <jgould> let me log out and log back in so I can get the exact error...
[20:52] <dmcglone1> jgould: can you check the logs?
[20:54] <jgould> that's odd...  I'm in Lubuntu now, with the proper desktop...  Let me go root around the logs
[20:56] <jgould> the logs don't indicate what went wrong...
[20:56] <dmcglone1> tail /var/log/syslog
[20:57] <dmcglone1> or /var/log/kern.log
[21:01] <canthus13> thafreak: you missed me shooting down your antispam idea as already been tried and shot down.
[21:02] <thafreak> HA! oh really canthus13
[21:02] <thafreak> are you refering to DKIM or SPA records?
[21:02] <jgould> Nope.  Nothing there, dmcglone1
[21:02] <thafreak> orly
[21:02] <dmcglone1> weird
[21:02] <canthus13> thafreak: Yep. about 8 or 10 years ago they were kicking around the idea of signed email, micropayments for email, and a few others...
[21:03] <thafreak> yeah, but they were NOT talking about changing the fundamental protocols I bet...
[21:03] <thafreak> just adding crap on to the already over burdoned implementation...
[21:04] <thafreak> what if we started over, and put trust at the center of the new design...no messages are exchanged without some trust
[21:04] <canthus13> changing the protocols isn't gonna happen.  That's like changing railroad gauges or switching the gas and brake pedals.
[21:05] <thafreak> so not so much email 2.0, as web 2.0 is to the original...
[21:05] <paultag> I'm sorta with thafreak
[21:05] <paultag> I think a rewrite from scratch is needed
[21:05] <paultag> we can lean from the mistakes of web1
[21:05] <thafreak> they would change them if they just plain didn't work
[21:05] <thafreak> who cares if it's adopted as widely as current smtp...
[21:06] <thafreak> maybe I only want to receive messages from certain people I do business with anyway
[21:06] <paultag> aye
[21:06] <paultag> I like the idea of a ring of trust
[21:06] <jgould> then the spammers would have no one to spam...
[21:07] <thafreak> the question is...how to verify a key without doing an in person fingerprint exchange
[21:07] <paultag> if someone violates the RoT, cut that person off, revoke his vert
[21:07] <paultag> verification *
[21:07] <dmcglone1> why not just use PGP?
[21:07] <canthus13> thafreak: Whitelisting already exists.
[21:07] <BiosElement> canthus13: Was that worked out? I saw that thismorning
[21:07] <paultag> dmcglone1: because you can't sign in person easy
[21:07] <canthus13> BiosElement: yep.
[21:07] <paultag> unless it was widly adopted
[21:07] <paultag> and cool to do
[21:07] <dmcglone1> thats true
[21:07] <paultag> and it would let you fingerprint all trafic
[21:08] <BiosElement> Great
[21:08] <paultag> which means no more anon surfing
[21:08] <paultag> which is a bit of an issue
[21:08] <thafreak> yeah, but even if I white list...email is still sucky...have you looked at a mime encoded email message?
[21:08] <canthus13> BiosElement: Only a few of us were included in the emails.. I have no idea why I was one of them.  Silly canonical employees.
[21:08] <BiosElement> canthus13: Weird? I was included too, I'm not even a Ubuntu Member >.< hah
[21:08] <BiosElement> Reminds me
[21:08] <dmcglone1> I haven't seen any spam in quite a few years
[21:09] <BiosElement> Anyone who uses bluehost might wanna read this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/02091314225/koch-brothers-cant-abuse-trademark-hacking-laws-to-sue-satirical-critics.shtml
[21:09] <canthus13> BiosElement: neither am I.. I *AM* a reloco lead, but then so is Cheri and she wasn't included.
[21:09] <canthus13> BiosElement: gmail rocks. :)
[21:09] <paultag> BRB, back to thinking about some issues
[21:09] <BiosElement> canthus13: gmail totally rocks, yes.
[21:09] <paultag> one love
[21:09] <BiosElement> canthus13: And best of all, IMAP access
[21:09] <thafreak> Sure you haven't gotten any spam, but I absolutely could not send people email without my legit email being marked as spam...
[21:10] <thafreak> I had to throw in the towel of hosting my own email at that point...
[21:10] <dmcglone1> speaking of google, they are rolling out their own amason like music service
[21:10] <BiosElement> Re Bluehost, basically they handed over contact info to someone hosted on their anon service plan without a court order and then went on record calling them criminals. :P
[21:10] <BiosElement> thafreak: I could help you with that if you needed, it's not so difficult once you read 500 pages of docs
[21:10] <thafreak> help with what?
[21:10] <thafreak> I did everything you could possibly do...
[21:11] <BiosElement> thafreak: Setting up a mail server that isn't marked as spam 24/7 It takes a hell of a bit of work, I actually plan to move to gapps
[21:11] <thafreak> had reverse dns setup properly...I wasn't listed in any of the bad iplists...
[21:11] <thafreak> I had SPF records...
[21:12] <thafreak> the only thing I never tried was setting up DKIM, cause I just didn't have the time
[21:12] <BiosElement> thafreak: The SPF records are key to gmail's antispam, there's not much you can do to avoid being marked as spam for aol :P
[21:12] <thafreak> well, spf records didn't help me with gmail, they still marked most of my normal emails as spam
[21:13] <dmcglone1> I'm amazed that you guys are having a problem with spam
[21:13] <thafreak> I think part of the problem, was sending email from home...even some web interfaces (zimbra) put the ip address you sent the mail from in the damned headers...
[21:13] <BiosElement> thafreak: That may be part of it
[21:14] <thafreak> you have to jump through so many damn hoops...it's pointless
[21:15] <canthus13> now my own mail server at home gets a bazillion spams a day to my kid's account, since he likes to put his email address on every fecking site he comes in contact with...
[21:15] <dmcglone1> canthus13: use disposable e-mails
[21:15] <thafreak> canthus13: you can send emails from your home? Do they get marked as spam?
[21:16] <BiosElement> thafreak: What ISP?
[21:17] <thafreak> Infolink
[21:17] <thafreak> that's who owns the IP's of my server
[21:19] <BiosElement> Oh for heavens sake I'm really going to have to stop reading these gmail 'privacy' issue articles. They're utter nonsense and just make me want to shoot the author >.<
[21:23] <jgould> Now I just need to figure out the sensitivty of the trackpad and I'll be set
[21:31] <BiosElement> I think it's telling that I wakeup and remember a dream in which I'd somehow crushed my pc tower and laptop...I suspect that's a sign of a true techie >.>
[21:35] <dmcglone1> BiosElement: sounds like your too much in love with your computers
[21:36] <BiosElement> hah, perhaps.
[21:40] <Unit193> canthus13: Still downloading.....
[21:43] <canthus13> Unit193: Wow.
[21:44] <canthus13> Unit193: How much is left?
[21:44] <Unit193> 81%
[21:44] <Unit193> Totoal
[21:44] <Unit193> Or total...
[21:44] <canthus13> Good grief.  Mine finished in about 13 minutes. :)
[21:44] <Unit193> Normally it's REALLY fast...
[21:44] <canthus13> (Which still kinda annoyed me... but my wife was using skype video, so I had to throttle back a little.)
[21:46] <dmcglone1> can ubuntu handle multi gesture touchpads?
[21:48]  * canthus13 makes guestures at his touchpad all the time.  usually when it decides to not work right.
[21:48] <BiosElement> "How many times have you handed off a design and it come back changed? It’s heartbreaking right? Imagine the guy who designed the button submit, or select control for Safari and how he must feel whenever he sees it swapped out for something else. It’s like you keep telling him his design was wrong and yours is better."
[21:48] <BiosElement> ^So apparently I should feel bad for changing it >.>
[21:50] <dmcglone1> thats nuts.. LOL everyone has their own taste. I wouldn't feel bad at all
[21:52] <BiosElement> Anyway, the dude who designed buttons for Safari gets paid more then I do. >.>
[21:54] <BiosElement> "Open protocols that are recipes for losing business will never be widely adopted."
[21:54] <BiosElement> ^Someone tell that to google.
[21:59] <deejoe> because those are the only two options: bad or better
[21:59] <deejoe> not "better for me, on this machine, in this use"
[22:00] <deejoe> or, in short, dmcglone1++
[23:01] <thafreak> whoa
[23:01] <thafreak> I'm working on this solaris box...
[23:01] <thafreak> uptime 1091 days
[23:16] <canthus13> thafreak: Nice.
[23:16] <canthus13> ..Of course, there's no kernel updates.
[23:16] <canthus13> that's 3 years worth of kernel-related security issues...
[23:26] <Unit193> You can use uptrack