[02:12] <InHisName> yawn
[11:24] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[13:13] <JonathanD> To work!
[13:14] <JonathanD> rmg51: you're late, and missed my good morning :/
[14:23] <teddy-dbear> his computer lost the connection :P
[14:23] <teddy-dbear> didn't see your good morning
[14:24] <teddy-dbear> so...... morning JonathanD
[14:31]  * pleia2 gives teddy-dbear some treats
[14:32]  * teddy-dbear hugs pleia2
[14:32] <pleia2> :)
[14:38] <andrew> noms
[14:38] <andrew> now I'm hungry
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> eat some teddy treats
[15:24] <JonathanD> Morning!
[15:33] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[15:36] <teddy-dbear> Good chocolate to all!
[15:37] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[15:49] <InHisName> Goooooood    ----> BACON! & chocolate  to SamuraiAlba, teddy-dbear, JonathanD, ChinnoDog, andrew, and pleia2
[15:49] <JonathanD> Hello InHisName
[15:49] <InHisName> Whew! lotta early risers and typers today
[15:49] <JonathanD> hi SamuraiAlba
[15:49] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:58] <jrmy> anyone know about the ps3 and linux?
[15:58] <jrmy> good morning btw
[15:59] <jrmy> or perhaphs connecting to an irc server when it only says the address but no port
[15:59] <ChinnoDog> Default IRC port is 6667
[15:59] <jrmy> what does ssl mean?
[16:00] <jrmy> if it says irc.insertwhateverhere.org (ssl) #channel
[16:00] <jrmy> and the default port doesnt seem to work
[16:00] <jrmy> then what?
[16:00] <PennBot> It has been said that then what is jthan, jrmy
[16:01] <jrmy> perhaps the server is down
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> The SSL port is usually different
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> According to wikipedia, it is often 6679 or 6697
[16:02] <jrmy> sucks i dont know that much about irc
[16:02] <ChinnoDog> SSL = secure sockets layer. It is also used by web sites using https, which is http over SSL.
[16:03] <jrmy> eh.. maybe i shoudl just give up
[16:03] <jrmy> sure i can use my ps3 for a computer but i dont know if its worth it
[16:03] <ChinnoDog> http traffic is on port ip, SSL is on port 443. For IRC, unencrypted traffis is on 6667, SSL is often custom but the above mentioned ports are commonly used according to wikipedia
[16:03] <ChinnoDog> err... http traffic is on port 80
[16:04] <jrmy> how do you set the ssl port?
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> In your IRC client? Depends on the client.
[16:05] <ChinnoDog> You are using xchat. idk about in there. Someone here know xchat?
[16:07] <jrmy> hell i should probably just sell it (my ps3)
[16:08] <teddy-dbear> it should be similar to pidgin
[16:08] <teddy-dbear> look under buddy list then tools
[16:09] <teddy-dbear> then prefs
[16:09] <teddy-dbear> there should be a network tab
[16:09] <teddy-dbear> if that doesn't work I don't know
[16:13] <jrmy> uh.. what?
[16:13] <jrmy> whatever.. dont matter
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> You give up so easily
[16:33] <HowdyDoody> Almost 5 days uptime, and no frozen status yet!
[16:37] <jrmy> ChinnoDog: guess life hasnt been to encouraging
[16:37] <jrmy> i didnt have a good father figure
[16:37] <jrmy> yelled at me my whole childhood
[16:38] <jrmy> so i suppose i have an absence of encouragement
[16:39] <jrmy> not your fault..
 Xchat -> network list -> find the net you want to use ssl on, change the server/port to server/sslport
 e.g. irc.freenode.net/6667 to irc.freenode.net/6670
 Then tick the use ssl option.
 (forgot to mention, once you find the net you want to ssl on, you need to select it and press edit)
[16:39] <IdleOne> there ya go
[16:40] <IdleOne> at some point in time you need to forgive all those people who weren't so nice to you and move on. I will let you know when I decide to follow my own advice :/
[16:42] <jrmy> i forgave him.. but i dont know how to change how i do things
[16:42] <jrmy> when ive been liek this for over half of my life
[16:42] <jrmy> i feel like at times i have lots of bad memories and little good ones
[16:43] <jrmy> even though im mostly an optimist
[16:43] <IdleOne> it isn't easy and there is no one method but I know that allowing yourself to give up never works.
[16:45] <jrmy> well lets do a new subject
[16:46] <jrmy> if i wanted to use linux for the os and wanted to program robots what would be the best language(s) to use?
[16:46] <jrmy> well.. learn
[16:47] <jrmy> at this point i know nothing on electronics besides basics and nothing as far as programming
[16:47] <IdleOne> python and/or perl
[16:47] <IdleOne> check out supybot
[16:48] <jrmy> i assume linux would be the best choice seeing as some of the distros are less bulky and in turn faster
[16:48] <jrmy> but i'd probably need to write my own distro which if im not mistaken can be done
[16:48] <jrmy> IdleOne: supybot or is that a typo?
[16:49] <IdleOne> no typo
[16:49] <jrmy> k
[16:49] <IdleOne> it can be done, look up Linux from scratch
[16:49] <jrmy> btw i meant tangile robot
[16:50] <jrmy> tangible*
[16:50] <jrmy> not an irc bot.. lol
[16:50] <IdleOne> oh
[16:51] <IdleOne> no idea.
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> That is a tall order for someone that has never done it before
[16:51] <jrmy> idk.. just assumed there were some knowledgable people in this channel
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> What kind of robot do you want to build?
[16:52] <jrmy> well i just plan on taking some classes in college in the near future
[16:52] <jrmy> well eventually a larger more humanoid robot
[16:52] <jrmy> but i'd make just about anything to start with
[16:52] <jrmy> liek a robotic arn
[16:52] <jrmy> arm*
[16:53] <jrmy> or say a bot that mows my lawn.. lol
[16:53] <IdleOne> those exist already
[16:53] <ChinnoDog> Pick one, jrmy. Both are feasable. You probably don't want to build the hardware, but hardware is available.
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> For example, you could get into roomba hacking
[16:54] <jrmy> roomba hacking?
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> There is lots of info online about hacking roombas and adding your own programs
[16:54] <IdleOne> roomba are autonomous vacuum
[16:54] <IdleOne> they zip around the house and clean stuff up
[16:55] <ChinnoDog> Yes. Once you know how it works you can build a bigger oen with a lawnmower blade and program it to not run over small children
[16:55] <jrmy> lol
[16:55] <IdleOne> fun to watch for 5 minutes then you realize it manages to get itself stuck a lot
[16:55] <jrmy> aww... shuucks
[16:55] <ChinnoDog> Make it intelligent enough not to do that
[16:55] <jrmy> i coudl just say what i want to build for the big goal
[16:55] <IdleOne> lawn mower would need GPS
[16:56] <IdleOne> you don't want to be mowing down the neighbors roses
[16:56] <jrmy> sure its even been thought of
[16:56] <jrmy> lol
[16:56] <ChinnoDog> Not /need/ GPS. There are other ways to do it.
[16:56] <ChinnoDog> Roomba does not have GPS
[16:56] <jrmy> my robot would invole using motion sensing
[16:56] <ChinnoDog> It still manages to mow your carpet without taking a trip to the corner store.
[16:56] <IdleOne> it doesn't need to watch out for kids and roses
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> But it doesn't leave the house
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> I think because it uses some kind of programmed barrier, right?
[16:57] <IdleOne> something with a spinning blades that can cut off your leg need a little more "smarts"
[16:57] <jedijf> jrmy: electronics and programming and learning==ti launchpad or arduino, if you want a launchpad email me your address to jedijf at myfisher dot org and i will mail one out to you
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> You can use programmed barrier + no small children directive
[16:58] <jrmy> 2 =?
[16:58] <jedijf> google it
[16:58] <jrmy> dunno if i need a launchpad account yet
[16:58] <IdleOne> jrmy: you know what would be really awesome is if you can make me a USB Powered coffee maker
[16:58] <IdleOne> not a warmer
[16:59] <IdleOne> I want it to brew coffee
[16:59] <IdleOne> :)
[16:59] <jrmy> heh
[16:59] <ChinnoDog> IdleOne: Have you seen the tower PC with the coffee maker built into it on the internets?
[16:59] <IdleOne> I am serious dude
[16:59] <IdleOne> I have not
[16:59] <IdleOne> but if it is real I will buy one asap
[16:59] <jrmy> has there been any talk on a robot controlled by motion conrtol that is a humanoid?
[17:00] <jrmy> or in development
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> I can't find the full sized pic now, but here it is: http://www.boingboing.net/2002/12/08/coffeemaking-pc-case.html
[17:00] <PennBot> Title: Coffee-making PC casemod - Boing Boing (at www.boingboing.net)
[17:00] <IdleOne> Toyota has been working on and building humanoid robots for 30 years
[17:00] <jrmy> thats essentially what i'd want to build
[17:01] <jrmy> but it would be dumb if someones already gonna make what i'd have planned
[17:01] <jrmy> seeing as thsi would porbably take me at least 2 years to do
[17:01] <jrmy> this*
[17:02] <IdleOne> ChinnoDog: looks cool but I don't want to build it myself
[17:02] <IdleOne> I want to have it delivered to my house with a pound of coffee ready to brew :)
[17:02] <jrmy> and more specifically speaking this robot human interaction would be like playing a virtual reality game
[17:02] <jrmy> except its real and youre controlling a robot
[17:03] <jrmy> either by a controller or motion conrtol in say a ball cage or on a ball with motion sensing
[17:03] <jrmy> whoops to many motion
[17:04]  * jrmy got 3 hours of sleep
[17:04] <jrmy> any of this sound familiar as far as anyone making this?
[17:05] <jrmy> as far as i know thsi isnt existent now..
[17:05] <jrmy> seeing as ive seen no robots walking around or whatever
[17:06] <jrmy> perhaps i coudl make money off of the idea but idk..
[17:06] <jrmy> i know it would be very expensive
[17:06] <teddy-dbear> you never met andrew ;-)
[17:07] <IdleOne> problem Toyota has is getting the robot to walk around and be sure it doesn't step on anybody
[17:07] <jrmy> well is there robots AI controlled or human controlled?
[17:07] <jrmy> are*
[17:08] <jrmy> mine woudl be essentially human controlled besides motor functionality
[17:08] <jrmy> their*
[17:08] <jrmy> derp
[17:09] <jrmy> i'd probably even be to far behind on making the robot when the tiem woudl come
[17:10] <jrmy> probably asking to many questions
[17:11] <jrmy> i just dont know where to look or what keywords to search for proper information
[17:12] <jrmy> anyways i need to either learn some engineering skills or programming
[17:12] <jrmy> and get a team of peopel to help buld said project
[17:12]  * jrmy hates his typos
[17:14] <andrew> teddy-dbear: What about me?
[17:15] <jrmy> i guess everything is available to make my robot
[17:16] <jrmy> ive just been irresponsible with my schooling
[17:16] <jrmy> well.. was fun talking again..
[17:17] <teddy-dbear> andrew: you will always be a bot to me :-D
[17:19] <jrmy> would talking about hacking a current gen game system be innapropriate in this channel?
[17:24] <InHisName> Didn't I read a couple of years ago, a company demo-ing a robotic lawnmower that ran amok the audience and knocked down a small child (infant?) before it was stopped.    Or did I just dream it ?
[19:06] <HowdyDoody> The update manager did not pop up and prompt for updating like it used to before u/g to 11.04.
[19:07] <HowdyDoody> What to check for re-setting to automatically run?
[19:08] <IdleOne> check the Software Sources under the update tab
[19:11] <HowdyDoody> Hmmm, Auto Updt: check for updt [checked]   only notify about available updates [checked]
[19:12] <IdleOne> you have normal releases selected?
[19:12] <HowdyDoody> impnt, reccom, unsupp, selected
[19:13] <HowdyDoody> set for 'daily'
[19:14] <IdleOne> yeah under that you should see Release Upgrade
[19:14] <IdleOne> set that to Normal Releases
[19:14] <HowdyDoody> Yes, 'normal releases'
[19:15] <IdleOne> ok, close that and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:15] <HowdyDoody> ok
[19:16] <HowdyDoody> It was ran 5 days ago, and run manually just this hour.  30 items found and updated.
[19:17] <HowdyDoody> I would have expected some to be other days than today and 5 days ago.  Like 1-4 days ago.   Doing apt-get now
[19:18] <HowdyDoody> for what its worth: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:19] <HowdyDoody> I guess I wait a few days and see if its gonna work automatically .
[19:19] <IdleOne> you can run sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:20] <IdleOne> what version are you running right now?
[19:21] <HowdyDoody> what ever came with 11.04 upgrade
[19:22] <IdleOne> ok so you are running 11.04 right now
[19:22] <HowdyDoody> yes
[19:22] <IdleOne> I am confused
[19:22] <IdleOne> what updates/upgrades were you expecting?
[19:23] <HowdyDoody> I ran update manager 'check' and found 30 to install today.
[19:23] <IdleOne> ok sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:23] <HowdyDoody> I u/g 5+ days ago. and all good then.
[19:23] <HowdyDoody> Nothing to update since then till I clicked 'check'
[19:25] <HowdyDoody>  sudo apt-get upgrade  ---->0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:25] <IdleOne> if it tells you 0 packages then there isn't any to upgrade
[19:25] <IdleOne> so you are all up to date
[19:26] <HowdyDoody> I am now, I installed the 30 I   MANUALLY found by clicking 'check'.     I expected some of that 30 to have dribbled in on days # 1-4 between days 0 and 5.
[20:17] <JonathanD> Playing with unity a bit more I have now found a few things that annoy me.
[20:18] <JonathanD> (still don't hate it yet)
[20:20] <jedijf> me waits to see Unity report on JonathanD
[20:20] <jedijf> doh
[20:20] <jedijf> /me
[20:20] <JonathanD> It looks nice. It just doesn't flow as well as I'm used to...
[20:21] <jedijf> 6 weeks
[20:21] <JonathanD> also I wanted to try padre and it doesn't work (ubuntu 11.04 problem, not a unity problem)
[20:22] <jrmy> i wonder if 11.04 woudl work on my machine
[20:29] <SamuraiAlba> Backtrack 5 is out :O  ubuntu 10.04 based :O
[20:31] <andrew> 10.04?
[20:31] <PennBot> It has been said that 10.04 is and LTS, right, andrew
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> 11.04?
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> He doesn't know about that one
[21:13] <andrew> Teach him!
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: 11.04 is an Ubuntu release involving narwhals
[21:15] <PennBot> Okay!
[21:19] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: jrmy?
[21:19] <PennBot> hmm... jrmy is not pennsylvanian but I, ChinnoDog
[21:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: jrmy is also taking over the world with fembots
[21:20] <PennBot> Gotcha.
[21:21] <jrmy> what?
[21:21] <PennBot> SWINE FLU
[22:20] <SamuraiAlba> when is the next PLUG?
[22:21] <JonathanD> We'll find out when people come on irc saying they are there ;)
[22:22] <SamuraiAlba> hehe  I wanna go to one :)
[22:35] <andrew> SamuraiAlba: last night?
[23:09] <SamuraiAlba> ?