=== xGrind-OFF is now known as xGrind [01:53] absolutely lovin' xubuntu 11.04 [01:54] :D [01:54] congrats [03:27] can anyone assist me in setting up a dell bluetooth mouse? i have looked all over google but it seems all the info is for other/older versions of ubuntu and involve commands and files that dont exist [03:35] !bluetooth > jon5000 [03:35] jon5000, please see my private message [03:36] thx. i will read it [04:22] Hey guys. [04:22] My trackpad has stopped working [04:22] just stopped [04:22] ? [04:23] Anyone know how to change the login screen background in Xubuntu (xfce 4.8) ? I googled for a while but couldn't find anything [04:23] KM0201: yeah [04:23] I can scroll with it [04:23] and I can click [04:23] But I can't move the cursor [04:23] Seqis: google for gdm instead of xfce [04:23] Seqis: if i'm not mistaken, xubuntu uses gdm login doesn't it?... so you should be able to install that. [04:24] oh [04:24] so google "how to change gdm background on login screen" should be closer to the target [04:24] !info gdm | Seqis [04:24] Seqis: gdm (source: gdm): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.1-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 672 kB, installed size 2208 kB [04:25] I didn't know Xubuntu used gdm [04:25] yup... :) [04:25] I thought it used some xfce thing [04:25] naa, gnome and xfce, are kinda like step sisters.... Gnome is the ugly one, Xfce is the hot one [04:26] ^ [04:26] KM0201, it is now (since 3.x) [04:26] I've had to move wholesale from Ubuntu to Xubuntu [04:26] I even tried installing XFCE onto 11.04 .. omg....... all sorts of hell [04:26] * KM0201 switched to lxde [04:27] um, xubuntu comes with Xfce 4.8 [04:27] you know, the lxde site hasn't loaded for me in weeks [04:27] charlie-tca, was that to me? if it was, you failed to understand me completely. [04:27] lxde is changing servers [04:27] This is bizarre guise. [04:27] Seqis: my understanding, they've had some server issues, the place that hosted them refused to host them any longer, or something [04:27] Lubuntu has been approved as an official derivative [04:27] KM0201, oh ok ... the site hasn't loaded in some time [04:27] Seqis: yeah, it's been at least a week i think [04:27] more than that [04:28] maybe 2+ [04:28] XFCE is a lot like gnome 2.x ... which I'm happy about ... I think it's a bit rougher around the edges.. [04:28] Seqis: appologies. I should have read the back log [04:29] also, charlie-tca I don't think Lubuntu is approved yet? [04:30] They will be for next release [04:30] I am reading the lubuntu site and while it looks good, it doesn't look official [04:30] charlie-tca: Correct? [04:30] as far as the shuttleworth comments they have on the front page [04:30] .. [04:31] for me, xfce is the way to go .. 4.8 was a big leap forward in usability [04:31] Lubuntu was approved yesterday, I think [04:31] It is going to be announced very soon [04:32] charlie-tca: really?.. thats good news... hadn't heard that [04:32] do you have a link for that? [04:32] lol all the sites are saying install Ubuntu-tweak to change the gdm wallpaper [04:32] not yet [04:33] !ubuntu-tweak [04:33] !ubuntutweak [04:33] Ubuntu Tweak is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous an informal review of its code is pending and most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools. Please don't ask for or provide support for it in #ubuntu. [04:33] yea I wouldn't use it either [04:33] odd for sites to offer "install this to do that" instead of "do this to accomplish that" [04:33] I upgraded to natty today... It feels strange :/ [04:34] Seqis: Maybe it is safe for some stuff, but for myself, I have to agree. [04:34] i didn't know shipit ended [04:34] !shipit [04:34] Canonical is no longer sending free Ubuntu CDs to individuals through its ShipIt program. For more information please see http://blog.canonical.com/?p=551 !LoCo teams can request CDs through this link https://forms.canonical.com/lococd/ [04:35] not surprising though.. considering the gazillion they had given out for free... i bet that was an expensive endeavor [04:36] Especially when you can make your own [04:37] anyone else looknig for skype alternatives [04:37] Seqis: sip seems OK.. [04:37] eh .. not for my older relatives overseas :( [04:37] (complicated) [04:37] Seqis: complicated? [04:38] i set it up and like 5min w/ linphone [04:38] Seqis: and.. duh, remote desktop, you can set it up for them [04:38] lol [04:38] if i can install linux w/ remote desktop on a PC in Iceland... you can set up sip...lol [04:38] bah [04:39] sip is super easy [04:39] jesus christ [04:39] it really is [04:39] I did it with a concussion [04:39] lol [04:39] Half awake and enraged at life. [04:39] So, I'm PRETTY sure you can do it. [04:39] it's not that.... it's the $hit I am going to have to hear .. after the 3 years it took grandma to get used to the skype-thing (she pronounced it Sky-pee) [04:40] Okay [04:40] lol [04:40] Well [04:40] What's the problem with Skype then? [04:40] just sky-pee me [04:40] KM0201: My face hurts so bad, dude. [04:40] Seqis: wsell, there's Google Talk's web interface? [04:40] bin_bash: lol, at least you're finally admitting you have a concussion [04:40] well I expect in about 1 year that the linux skype client will stop working... "developers developers developers ... developersdevelopers developers" [04:40] Yeah. My boyfriend was like "just take it easy..." [04:41] Seqis: probably.. thats my thinking as well [04:41] Do you expect your elderly relatives to live that long? [04:41] .. [04:41] a true vulcan answer [04:41] hedge your bets, maybe they'll die before you have to bother [04:42] ll [04:42] :P [04:42] I'm not trying to be insensitive. [04:42] Just practical. [04:42] I tried Ekiga and Linphone last night [04:43] here grandma have some more oily food [04:43] Both dudded out for me. My last resort was going to be Googletalk [04:43] There's a client for windows, and webclient for linux [04:43] so googletalk has a voice client like skype? [04:43] or is it web based [04:43] Seqis: its not ike skype, you use it on their website [04:43] Yeah. I reckon you can use voice through pidgin, but not video [04:44] This computer is racist against right-handed people [04:45] uh, that wouldn't be "racist" that would be "biased"...lol [04:46] no. it's racist. right-handed people are a race. [04:46] hmm is there some magical voice chat button I'm missing in the gmail interface? [04:47] .. I see the "call this person" assuming it will actually use google voice to dial the number.. but no voice (computer) chat icon ... I guess I'll go googling [04:48] Seqis: Do you have the Google plugin? I'm guessing not... [04:49] Unit193, ya I do actually [04:50] I suppose it's the voice/video chat button, next to the telephone icon in the google-text-chat window [04:50] ^ [04:53] i wish google would just create a google talk client for linux [04:53] surprised they haven't [04:53] I was thinking the same thing [04:53] because I eas checking my CONTACTS list and I was expecting to see a "voice chat" icon [04:53] ..nope [04:54] phone-dial yes... voice-chat, no.. [04:54] hmm [04:54] screw it I might just go and set up a ventrilo server [04:54] ventrilo clients are easy... oh no linux client [04:54] bah [04:54] mumble maybe then [04:55] really? [04:56] it's at times like this I want to send a small statue carved out of Kopi Luwak beans in the form of RMS and burn it in front of Bill's door [04:57] There are NO ventrilo clients for linux? [04:57] srsly? [04:57] I dont think so [04:57] Seqis: If all you want is calling, then you can use pidgin for googletalk i think [04:57] there's I think some project for it [04:58] I dont think ventrilo offers it... last time I checked it was "in development" ...which has been that way for yrs [04:58] pidgin supports voice? [04:58] Seqis: its less than perfect [04:58] yea :) [04:59] I mean if I printed money like Bill Gates does, I would just call my old relatives on a gold plated phone, with my vocal data packets carried by millions of dwarf-like migrant workers :) [05:00] I'll figure it out ... I'm just half airing my frustration at the whole thing [05:00] So Linphone supports pc-to-pc calls and sip trunking with VoIP providers I gather [05:01] yes. [05:01] linphone should work fine [05:01] yea bin_bash said he had issues with it-- anything worth sharing? [05:01] KM0201, on another topic, you running Xubuntu 11.04? [05:02] Seqis: negative, lubuntu [05:02] oh ok [05:02] I am running Audacious (winamp style music player) and I have an odd bug with the playlist window... just wondering. ok.. [05:02] Seqis: I had a hell of a time configuring sound/mic in linphone [05:03] bin_bash, alsa? [05:03] Seqis: i love audacious [05:03] Seqis: I tried both alsa and pulse. [05:04] KM0201, same here.. running 2.4.4 ... but some odd bug with the playlist window resizing... when I click the lower-right corner to resize, instead of allowing me to click-b-drag to resize, the upper left corner snaps down to the mouse-point which at the moment of clicking was on the lower right corner. [05:05] I'm using moc [05:05] bin_bash, sounds like fun ... I liked skype because it "just worked" [05:05] Seqis: confirmed [05:05] happening to me as well [05:05] KM0201, oh good, not just me [05:05] Seqis: The only reason I was looking for an alternative is because skype was causing kernel crashes and then random freezes [05:05] You guys should use MoC [05:05] So much win. [05:05] bin_bash, so much for my "just working" heh [05:06] Seqis: I'm using it now after purging it a couple times and removing ALL the config files. [05:06] We'll see. I'm not considering it fixed. [05:06] bin_bash: curious... have you tried aMSN?... i've had halfway decent luck w/ it and voice/video chat (don't know why i didn't think of that before [05:06] KM0201: didn't think of it actually [05:07] bin_bash: something to consider... [05:07] If skype fks up again then I'll try it [05:07] lol [05:07] I had to boot into OS X last night *shudder* [05:07] oh cute...MoC looks cute [05:07] aMSN? what's that [05:08] oh [05:08] I see [05:08] !info amsn [05:08] amsn (source: amsn): An MSN messenger written in Tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.98.4-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 396 kB, installed size 1240 kB [05:08] I use pidgin for IMs [05:08] Seqis: yah, so do i.. but aMSn, has built in support for voice/video [05:08] MoC is so awesome, Seqis. I started using it today, and I'll never use a graphical music player again [05:08] Seqis: might be a solution to your prob as well. [05:09] KM0201, we can't seem to break away from MS :( [05:09] Seqis: lol.. we just need to wait for google to take over the world, thats all. [05:09] fkin' Microsuck bought Skype for like over9000 billion dolalrs [05:09] I mean I deal with it @ work too ... domain controllers and all......... [05:09] 8.5billion [05:09] ok [05:09] in hard cash too [05:09] damn [05:10] no stock options, nothing [05:10] wow [05:10] wtf [05:10] thats close to over9000..lol [05:10] Seqis: thats what i couldn't believe, they just plunked cash down for it [05:10] well... there goes linux support. [05:10] yea an actual money transaction... like bill just opened his wallet.. "8.5 billion .. ok ... 20....40....60..." [05:10] bin_bash: maybe... (probably actually) [05:10] LOLOL Seqis [05:10] lol [05:10] He probably wrote them a check from his personal bank account [05:11] "Oh that's my daughter's weekly allowance. No problem!" [05:11] I mean they can afford 8.5 billion in CASH without selling any assets [05:11] and can still .. like .. operate [05:11] 8-\ [05:11] Soon we're going to be the United States of Microsoft [05:12] (-,-)_,,|,, microsoft [05:12] bin_bash: naa, we'll be the Peoples Republic of Google [05:12] lulz [05:13] bin_bash, does MoC offer a tray icon or any hotkeys if the console window isn't up? [05:13] Seqis: yeah actually [05:13] one sex [05:13] sec [05:13] http://code.google.com/p/moc-tray/ [05:13] Seqis: Want to see MoC with conky? [05:14] KM0201, so you live with that window-bug in Audacious? [05:14] Seqis: i honestly had never noticed it until you said something [05:14] I dont use conky, but that's pretty nice there bin_bash [05:14] and it doesn't really bother me to be truthful [05:14] Seqis: http://imgur.com/7uaS7 [05:15] KM0201, yea I just like to size the window to see more text in the playlist [05:15] bin_bash, how about hot key bindings [05:15] it looks like it's worth trying either way bin_bash [05:15] Seqis: I was about to do them when my cursor stopped working [05:16] in Audacious I often use the tray icon to skip fwd or back [05:16] (since it's hardly the active application) [05:16] in a terminal you do [05:16] mocp --next [05:16] or mocp --previous [05:16] but you can set keybindings for them [05:17] hey there is a problem this time with my good desktop and same problem with my laptop [05:17] freezing [05:17] with xubuntu 11.04 [05:17] MoC is in the repo's ... not moc-tray though [05:17] Seqis: No, I didn't download the tray. [05:18] ah ok bin_bash [05:18] I plan on doing keybindings [05:18] ok, now this is stupid. [05:18] bin_bash, bindings with moc-tray, or outside of moc-tray [05:18] KM0201: is that what would happen to me before? [05:18] Seqis: Outside. using the terminal commands [05:18] is it a upgrade problem from 10.10 [05:18] apparently, msn blocked aMSN, from their servers, so you can't voice/video chat, but you can set up a "conference" apparently [05:19] bin_bash, ah.... like alt-n for "moc --next" or whatever [05:19] Seqis: yeah [05:19] bin_bash: you like some strange music. [05:19] I have next/back/play keys on this computer [05:19] and bin_bash i don't really remember to be truthful [05:19] :P [05:19] I am old ... most of my music was written & performed ,1985 [05:20] Seqis: something to note: play != unpause [05:20] err.. <1985 [05:20] you would do mocp --unpause to unpause [05:20] lol [05:20] ok [05:20] so play is from a stop position... unpause is to reverse pause === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:20] yeah [05:20] if you do mocp --play from a pause position it starts the song over [05:20] totally a coders paradise that logic [05:20] rofl [05:21] good tip [05:21] lol [05:23] this is so weird [05:23] i can scroll [05:23] no releases in 2 yrs for MoC [05:23] and i can click [05:24] but i can't move the cursor. [05:24] I want to find a fix without restarting [05:27] bin_bash: gyachi may also be an option (yahoo) [05:27] KM0201: meh right now i just want to fix my damn mouse lol [05:27] lol [05:28] sorry, i'm just sitting here reading about various messengers, so i'm just coming across stuff..lol [05:28] I know [05:28] But wtf man why no cursor?! [05:28] the thing is [05:28] i dunno [05:28] i can click [05:28] and scroll [05:28] have you tried restarting? [05:28] i dont wanna [05:29] lol [05:29] i'm sure restarting would fix it [05:29] My mouse misbehaves badly when flipping between KVM ports .. I always have to unplug/replug it back in [05:29] the KVM is right under the monitor, so it's easy [05:30] this is a trackpad [05:30] it works with an external [05:34] "the amazing macintosh" [05:35] ..afk a few mins === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:44] KM0201: skippy is so awesome [05:45] Can you use Linphone to call other linphone clients or it's built only for sip trunking (landline calls) [05:46] yeah [05:46] yea to which part [05:46] oh [05:46] yes you can call other sip clients [05:46] bin_bash: what is skippy? (i remember us talking about it...) [05:47] ah just sign up for Linphone.org's free sip service -- ok I see [05:47] it's that expose program [05:47] or script rather [05:47] oh thats right.. for the workspace switcher? [05:47] yea [05:49] bin_bash: how did you install it? [05:49] how did i install what [05:49] skippy [05:49] chmod +x [05:49] lol [05:52] the one skippy i know is written in C ? [05:54] url for that script? [06:01] hmm, I just tried Google Talk w/ my two Gmail accounts.. I don't have a web cam, but the audio worked flawlessly. === m00se is now known as tarball === tarball is now known as m00se [06:06] video is also great... even on a relatively slow speed [06:06] hmm [06:07] I should try Ekiga again [06:07] ball: naa, i'd try google talk.. :) ekiga kinda suxors [06:08] unless you got friends that use a sip client [06:08] at which point, i'd probably try linphone [06:08] plus you can call landlines in US and Canada for the remainder of the year free [06:08] TheBestJohn: i don't thnk you can do that from pidgin though [06:09] not sure... I'm having some difficulties installing on my laptop [06:09] TheBestJohn: installing what?.. pidgin? [06:10] xubuntu [06:10] whats the prob? [06:10] * KM0201 loves troublesome installs [06:10] well it's reformatting right now (cause I did something stupid) but in order to get it to work with my wifi dongle I had to use ndiswrapper [06:11] i installed ndiswrapper and installed the driver and it worked well [06:11] TheBestJohn: well, thats not exactly the most unusual thing in the world [06:11] whats the USB dongle device? [06:11] *assuming its usb [06:11] i then updated and rebooted and alas wlan0 didn't show up after that [06:12] TEW424ub [06:12] theres an actual topic on the forums about that specific dongle [06:12] TheBestJohn: did you try reinstalling inside ndiswrapper again?.. if you did a kernel upgrade... you might have to do that each time it upgrades (i think, my ndiswrapper experieence islimited) [06:12] TheBestJohn: are you installing 11.04? [06:13] reinstalling the driver? Yes I did [06:13] hmm [06:13] yep 11.04 freshly downloaded today [06:13] and modprobe showed it running and everything [06:14] i got the cursor working [06:14] skype crashed do i rebooted [06:14] weird.. unfortunately my ndiswrapper experience is limited [06:14] bin_bash: right before you left, we were discussing google talk w/ pidgin.. seems to work ok [06:14] so this time i'm using a hardline to update kernel and then installing ndiswrapper and it's dependant [06:14] s [06:14] KM0201: yeah the voice works but not the video [06:15] oh... i couldn't test that [06:15] bin_bash: just tell him to tape your picture to his monitor. [06:15] or make your picture his wallpaper [06:15] LOL [06:15] oh he has that already [06:15] :P [06:15] lol [06:16] i can't believe video/audio chat is such a PITA w/ linux. [06:16] lol [06:17] KM0201: Skype worked for me, last type I tried it. [06:17] what do the feedback/accelration settings do in the mouse? [06:18] ball: it works pretty good for me as well, bin_bash has lots of probs w/ it.. .and plus, we're anticipating skype going away since MS has purchased skype [06:18] bin_bash: not sure about feedback, but acceleration, is how fast the cursor goes from "0 to fast" [06:18] i think acceleration is how long it takes for the mouse to reach max speed [06:18] * ball nods === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [06:19] ball: so really we're left w/ dealing w/ either aMSN (which doesn't appear to support video right now either, go figure)... or sip clients. [06:19] Why not SIP? [06:19] ball: it works fine for me. [06:19] bin_bash: has issues (with everything) [06:20] ^trufax [06:20] trufax? [06:20] you want to send faxes now? [06:20] * KM0201 somehow thinks he's missed another internet meme [06:21] it means [06:21] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trufax [06:21] yes, good sir. those are all true things that you have said. [06:21] "a true statement" [06:21] lol [06:21] you'd think working in a prison i'd be well adept w/ urban hood speak... [06:22] never heard trufax though [06:24] * ball is *so* tired [06:24] bin_bash: how do you install com? i don't see it in the repos [06:24] com? [06:24] isn't that the name of that command line music player yo were using? [06:24] moc [06:24] thats probably why i can't find it, i'm dyslexic [06:25] sudo apt-get install moc [06:25] ok [06:25] once i knew the package name, i kinda gathered..lol [06:26] how do you start it? [06:26] "moc" tells me i need to install more crap (QT libs) [06:27] no [06:27] mocp [06:28] oh ok [06:53] man I totally screwed up my xubuntu trying to install compiz [06:53] I tried to uninstall (with --purge) and I removed it -- but the xfce window manager isn't loading properly [06:54] is there any way to run an xfce --replace or something... like I ran compiz --replace ? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [06:55] Seqis: xfwm4 --replace [06:55] rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and save session on logout [06:56] got it [06:56] what's stored in sessions [06:57] ..sessions [06:57] man that saved me... compiz totally blew out all my window borders... every window was hanging behind the top-panel [06:57] thanks sysi [06:58] I thought I had it right with apt-get --purge remove compiz* [06:58] you'd need to set compiz to offer window borders by some plugin [06:58] but I suppose I had to xfwm --replace [06:58] yea I h ad that set - but window borders refused to draw.. everything was headless [06:59]