[01:53] <roderick_> absolutely lovin' xubuntu 11.04
[01:54] <Soupermanito> :D
[01:54] <Soupermanito> congrats
[03:27] <jon5000> can anyone assist me in setting up a dell bluetooth mouse?  i have looked all over google but it seems all the info is for other/older versions of ubuntu and involve commands and files that dont exist
[03:35] <KM0201> !bluetooth > jon5000
[03:36] <jon5000> thx. i will read it
[04:22] <bin_bash> Hey guys.
[04:22] <bin_bash> My trackpad has stopped working
[04:22] <KM0201> just stopped
[04:22] <KM0201> ?
[04:23] <Seqis> Anyone know how to change the login screen background in Xubuntu (xfce 4.8) ? I googled for a while but couldn't find anything
[04:23] <bin_bash> KM0201: yeah
[04:23] <bin_bash> I can scroll with it
[04:23] <bin_bash> and I can click
[04:23] <bin_bash> But I can't move the cursor
[04:23] <charlie-tca> Seqis: google for gdm instead of xfce
[04:23] <KM0201> Seqis: if i'm not mistaken, xubuntu uses gdm login doesn't it?... so you should be able to install that.
[04:24] <Seqis> oh
[04:24] <Seqis> so google "how to change gdm background on login screen" should be closer to the target
[04:24] <KM0201> !info gdm | Seqis
[04:25] <Seqis> I didn't know Xubuntu used gdm
[04:25] <KM0201> yup... :)
[04:25] <Seqis> I thought it used some xfce thing
[04:25] <KM0201> naa, gnome and xfce, are kinda like step sisters.... Gnome is the ugly one, Xfce is the hot one
[04:26] <bin_bash> ^
[04:26] <Seqis> KM0201, it is now (since 3.x)
[04:26] <Seqis> I've had to move wholesale from Ubuntu to Xubuntu
[04:26] <Seqis> I even tried installing XFCE onto 11.04 .. omg....... all sorts of hell
[04:26]  * KM0201 switched to lxde
[04:27] <charlie-tca> um, xubuntu comes with Xfce 4.8
[04:27] <Seqis> you know, the lxde site hasn't loaded for me in weeks
[04:27] <Seqis> charlie-tca, was that to me? if it was, you failed to understand me completely.
[04:27] <Unit193> lxde is changing servers
[04:27] <bin_bash> This is bizarre guise.
[04:27] <KM0201> Seqis: my understanding, they've had some server issues, the place that hosted them refused to host them any longer, or something
[04:27] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu has been approved as an official derivative
[04:27] <Seqis> KM0201, oh ok ... the site hasn't loaded in some time
[04:27] <KM0201> Seqis: yeah, it's been at least a week i think
[04:27] <Seqis> more than that
[04:28] <Seqis> maybe 2+
[04:28] <Seqis> XFCE is a lot like gnome 2.x ... which I'm happy about ... I think it's a bit rougher around the edges..
[04:28] <charlie-tca> Seqis: appologies. I should have read the back log
[04:29] <Seqis> also, charlie-tca I don't think Lubuntu is approved yet?
[04:30] <Unit193> They will be for next release
[04:30] <Seqis> I am reading the lubuntu site and while it looks good, it doesn't look official
[04:30] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Correct?
[04:30] <Seqis> as far as the shuttleworth comments they have on the front page
[04:30] <Seqis> ..
[04:31] <Seqis> for me, xfce is the way to go .. 4.8 was a big leap forward in usability
[04:31] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu was approved yesterday, I think
[04:31] <charlie-tca> It is going to be announced very soon
[04:32] <KM0201> charlie-tca: really?.. thats good news... hadn't heard that
[04:32] <KM0201> do you have a link for that?
[04:32] <Seqis> lol all the sites are saying install Ubuntu-tweak to change the gdm wallpaper
[04:32] <charlie-tca> not yet
[04:33] <charlie-tca> !ubuntu-tweak
[04:33] <charlie-tca> !ubuntutweak
[04:33] <Seqis> yea I wouldn't use it either
[04:33] <Seqis> odd for sites to offer "install this to do that" instead of "do this to accomplish that"
[04:33] <Liv-> I upgraded to natty today... It feels strange :/
[04:34] <charlie-tca> Seqis: Maybe it is safe for some stuff, but for myself, I have to agree.
[04:34] <KM0201> i didn't know shipit ended
[04:34] <KM0201> !shipit
[04:35] <KM0201> not surprising though.. considering the gazillion they had given out for free... i bet that was an expensive endeavor
[04:36] <bin_bash> Especially when you can make your own
[04:37] <Seqis> anyone else looknig for skype alternatives
[04:37] <KM0201> Seqis: sip seems OK..
[04:37] <Seqis> eh .. not for my older relatives overseas :(
[04:37] <Seqis> (complicated)
[04:37] <KM0201> Seqis: complicated?
[04:38] <KM0201> i set it up and like 5min w/ linphone
[04:38] <KM0201> Seqis: and.. duh, remote desktop, you can set it up for them
[04:38] <KM0201> lol
[04:38] <KM0201> if i can install linux w/ remote desktop on a PC in Iceland... you can set up sip...lol
[04:38] <Seqis> bah
[04:39] <bin_bash> sip is super easy
[04:39] <bin_bash> jesus christ
[04:39] <KM0201> it really is
[04:39] <bin_bash> I did it with a concussion
[04:39] <KM0201> lol
[04:39] <bin_bash> Half awake and enraged at life.
[04:39] <bin_bash> So, I'm PRETTY sure you can do it.
[04:39] <Seqis> it's not that.... it's the $hit I am going to have to hear .. after the 3 years it took grandma to get used to the skype-thing (she pronounced it Sky-pee)
[04:40] <bin_bash> Okay
[04:40] <KM0201> lol
[04:40] <bin_bash> Well
[04:40] <bin_bash> What's the problem with Skype then?
[04:40] <Seqis> just sky-pee me
[04:40] <bin_bash> KM0201: My face hurts so bad, dude.
[04:40] <KM0201> Seqis: wsell, there's Google Talk's web interface?
[04:40] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, at least you're finally admitting you have a concussion
[04:40] <Seqis> well I expect in about 1 year that the linux skype client will stop working... "developers developers developers ... developersdevelopers developers"
[04:40] <bin_bash> Yeah. My boyfriend was like "just take it easy..."
[04:41] <KM0201> Seqis: probably.. thats my thinking as well
[04:41] <bin_bash> Do you expect your elderly relatives to live that long?
[04:41] <KM0201> ..
[04:41] <Seqis> a true vulcan answer
[04:41] <Seqis> hedge your bets, maybe they'll die before you have to bother
[04:42] <KM0201> ll
[04:42] <bin_bash> :P
[04:42] <bin_bash> I'm not trying to be insensitive.
[04:42] <bin_bash> Just practical.
[04:42] <bin_bash> I tried Ekiga and Linphone last night
[04:43] <Seqis> here grandma have some more oily food
[04:43] <bin_bash> Both dudded out for me. My last resort was going to be Googletalk
[04:43] <bin_bash> There's a client for windows, and webclient for linux
[04:43] <Seqis> so googletalk has a voice client like skype?
[04:43] <Seqis> or is it web based
[04:43] <KM0201> Seqis: its not ike skype, you use it on their website
[04:43] <bin_bash> Yeah. I reckon you can use voice through pidgin, but not video
[04:44] <bin_bash> This computer is racist against right-handed people
[04:45] <KM0201> uh, that wouldn't be "racist" that would be "biased"...lol
[04:46] <bin_bash> no. it's racist. right-handed people are a race.
[04:46] <Seqis> hmm is there some magical voice chat button I'm missing in the gmail interface?
[04:47] <Seqis> .. I see the "call this person" assuming it will actually use google voice to dial the number.. but no voice (computer) chat icon ... I guess I'll go googling
[04:48] <Unit193> Seqis: Do you have the Google plugin? I'm guessing not...
[04:49] <Seqis> Unit193, ya I do actually
[04:50] <Seqis> I suppose it's the voice/video chat button, next to the telephone icon in the google-text-chat window
[04:50] <bin_bash> ^
[04:53] <KM0201> i wish google would just create a google talk client for linux
[04:53] <KM0201> surprised they haven't
[04:53] <Seqis> I was thinking the same thing
[04:53] <Seqis> because I eas checking my CONTACTS list and I was expecting to see a "voice chat" icon
[04:53] <Seqis> ..nope
[04:54] <Seqis> phone-dial yes... voice-chat, no..
[04:54] <KM0201> hmm
[04:54] <Seqis> screw it I might just go and set up a ventrilo server
[04:54] <Seqis> ventrilo clients are easy... oh no linux client
[04:54] <Seqis> bah
[04:54] <Seqis> mumble maybe then
[04:55] <KM0201> really?
[04:56] <Seqis> it's at times like this I want to send a small statue carved out of Kopi Luwak beans in the form of RMS and burn it in front of Bill's door
[04:57] <bin_bash> There are NO ventrilo clients for linux?
[04:57] <bin_bash> srsly?
[04:57] <Seqis> I dont think so
[04:57] <bin_bash> Seqis: If all you want is calling, then you can use pidgin for googletalk i think
[04:57] <Seqis> there's I think some project for it
[04:58] <Seqis> I dont think ventrilo offers it... last time I checked it was "in development" ...which has been that way for yrs
[04:58] <Seqis> pidgin supports voice?
[04:58] <KM0201> Seqis: its less than perfect
[04:58] <Seqis> yea :)
[04:59] <Seqis> I mean if I printed money like Bill Gates does, I would just call my old relatives on a gold plated phone, with my vocal data packets carried by millions of dwarf-like migrant workers :)
[05:00] <Seqis> I'll figure it out ... I'm just half airing my frustration at the whole thing
[05:00] <Seqis> So Linphone supports pc-to-pc calls and sip trunking with VoIP providers I gather
[05:01] <KM0201> yes.
[05:01] <KM0201> linphone should work fine
[05:01] <Seqis> yea bin_bash said he had issues with it-- anything worth sharing?
[05:01] <Seqis> KM0201, on another topic, you running Xubuntu 11.04?
[05:02] <KM0201> Seqis: negative, lubuntu
[05:02] <Seqis> oh ok
[05:02] <Seqis> I am running Audacious (winamp style music player) and I have an odd bug with the playlist window... just wondering. ok..
[05:02] <bin_bash> Seqis: I had a hell of a time configuring sound/mic in linphone
[05:03] <Seqis> bin_bash, alsa?
[05:03] <KM0201> Seqis: i love audacious
[05:03] <bin_bash> Seqis: I tried both alsa and pulse.
[05:04] <Seqis> KM0201, same here.. running 2.4.4 ... but some odd bug with the playlist window resizing... when I click the lower-right corner to resize, instead of allowing me to click-b-drag to resize, the upper left corner snaps down to the mouse-point which at the moment of clicking was on the lower right corner.
[05:05] <bin_bash> I'm using moc
[05:05] <Seqis> bin_bash, sounds like fun ... I liked skype because it "just worked"
[05:05] <KM0201> Seqis: confirmed
[05:05] <KM0201> happening to me as well
[05:05] <Seqis> KM0201, oh good, not just me
[05:05] <bin_bash> Seqis: The only reason I was looking for an alternative is because skype was causing kernel crashes and then random freezes
[05:05] <bin_bash> You guys should use MoC
[05:05] <bin_bash> So much win.
[05:05] <Seqis> bin_bash, so much for my "just working" heh
[05:06] <bin_bash> Seqis: I'm using it now after purging it a couple times and removing ALL the config files.
[05:06] <bin_bash> We'll see. I'm not considering it fixed.
[05:06] <KM0201> bin_bash: curious... have you tried aMSN?... i've had halfway decent luck w/ it and voice/video chat (don't know why i didn't think of that before
[05:06] <bin_bash> KM0201: didn't think of it actually
[05:07] <KM0201> bin_bash: something to consider...
[05:07] <bin_bash> If skype fks up again then I'll try it
[05:07] <KM0201> lol
[05:07] <bin_bash> I had to boot into OS X last night *shudder*
[05:07] <Seqis> oh cute...MoC looks cute
[05:07] <Seqis> aMSN? what's that
[05:08] <Seqis> oh
[05:08] <Seqis> I see
[05:08] <KM0201> !info amsn
[05:08] <Seqis> I use pidgin for IMs
[05:08] <KM0201> Seqis: yah, so do i.. but aMSn, has built in support for voice/video
[05:08] <bin_bash> MoC is so awesome, Seqis. I started using it today, and I'll never use a graphical music player again
[05:08] <KM0201> Seqis: might be a solution to your prob as well.
[05:09] <Seqis> KM0201, we can't seem to break away from MS :(
[05:09] <KM0201> Seqis: lol.. we just need to wait for google to take over the world, thats all.
[05:09] <bin_bash> fkin' Microsuck bought Skype for like over9000 billion dolalrs
[05:09] <Seqis> I mean I deal with it @ work too ... domain controllers and all.........
[05:09] <Seqis> 8.5billion
[05:09] <bin_bash> ok
[05:09] <Seqis> in hard cash too
[05:09] <bin_bash> damn
[05:10] <Seqis> no stock options, nothing
[05:10] <bin_bash> wow
[05:10] <bin_bash> wtf
[05:10] <KM0201> thats close to over9000..lol
[05:10] <KM0201> Seqis: thats what i couldn't believe, they just plunked cash down for it
[05:10] <bin_bash> well... there goes linux support.
[05:10] <Seqis> yea an actual money transaction... like bill just opened his wallet.. "8.5 billion .. ok ... 20....40....60..."
[05:10] <KM0201> bin_bash: maybe... (probably actually)
[05:10] <bin_bash> LOLOL Seqis
[05:10] <KM0201> lol
[05:10] <bin_bash> He probably wrote them a check from his personal bank account
[05:11] <bin_bash> "Oh that's my daughter's weekly allowance. No problem!"
[05:11] <Seqis> I mean they can afford 8.5 billion in CASH without selling any assets
[05:11] <Seqis> and can still .. like .. operate
[05:11] <Seqis> 8-\
[05:11] <bin_bash> Soon we're going to be the United States of Microsoft
[05:12] <Seqis>  (-,-)_,,|,, microsoft
[05:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: naa, we'll be the Peoples Republic of Google
[05:12] <bin_bash> lulz
[05:13] <Seqis> bin_bash, does MoC offer a tray icon or any hotkeys if the console window isn't up?
[05:13] <bin_bash> Seqis: yeah actually
[05:13] <bin_bash> one sex
[05:13] <bin_bash> sec
[05:13] <bin_bash> http://code.google.com/p/moc-tray/
[05:13] <bin_bash> Seqis: Want to see MoC with conky?
[05:14] <Seqis> KM0201, so you live with that window-bug in Audacious?
[05:14] <KM0201> Seqis: i honestly had never noticed it until you said something
[05:14] <Seqis> I dont use conky, but that's pretty nice there bin_bash
[05:14] <KM0201> and it doesn't really bother me to be truthful
[05:14] <bin_bash> Seqis: http://imgur.com/7uaS7
[05:15] <Seqis> KM0201, yea I just like to size the window to see more text in the playlist
[05:15] <Seqis> bin_bash, how about hot key bindings
[05:15] <Seqis> it looks like it's worth trying either way bin_bash
[05:15] <bin_bash> Seqis: I was about to do them when my cursor stopped working
[05:16] <Seqis> in Audacious I often use the tray icon to skip fwd or back
[05:16] <Seqis> (since it's hardly the active application)
[05:16] <bin_bash> in a terminal you do
[05:16] <bin_bash> mocp --next
[05:16] <bin_bash> or mocp --previous
[05:16] <bin_bash> but you can set keybindings for them
[05:17] <uofm49426> hey there is a problem this time with my good desktop and same problem with my laptop
[05:17] <uofm49426> freezing
[05:17] <uofm49426> with xubuntu 11.04
[05:17] <Seqis> MoC is in the repo's ... not moc-tray though
[05:17] <bin_bash> Seqis: No, I didn't download the tray.
[05:18] <Seqis> ah ok bin_bash
[05:18] <bin_bash> I plan on doing keybindings
[05:18] <KM0201> ok, now this is stupid.
[05:18] <Seqis> bin_bash, bindings with moc-tray, or outside of moc-tray
[05:18] <bin_bash> KM0201: is that what would happen to me before?
[05:18] <bin_bash> Seqis: Outside. using the terminal commands
[05:18] <uofm49426> is it a upgrade problem from 10.10
[05:18] <KM0201> apparently, msn blocked aMSN, from their servers, so you can't voice/video chat, but you can set up a "conference" apparently
[05:19] <Seqis> bin_bash, ah.... like alt-n for "moc --next" or whatever
[05:19] <bin_bash> Seqis: yeah
[05:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: you like some strange music.
[05:19] <bin_bash> I have next/back/play keys on this computer
[05:19] <KM0201> and bin_bash i don't really remember to be truthful
[05:19] <bin_bash> :P
[05:19] <Seqis> I am old ... most of my music was written & performed ,1985
[05:20] <bin_bash> Seqis: something to note: play != unpause
[05:20] <Seqis> err.. <1985
[05:20] <bin_bash> you would do mocp --unpause to unpause
[05:20] <Seqis> lol
[05:20] <Seqis> ok
[05:20] <Seqis> so play is from a stop position... unpause is to reverse pause
[05:20] <bin_bash> yeah
[05:20] <bin_bash> if you do mocp --play from a pause position it starts the song over
[05:20] <Seqis> totally a coders paradise that logic
[05:20] <Seqis> rofl
[05:21] <Seqis> good tip
[05:21] <bin_bash> lol
[05:23] <bin_bash> this is so weird
[05:23] <bin_bash> i can scroll
[05:23] <Seqis> no releases in 2 yrs for MoC
[05:23] <bin_bash> and i can click
[05:24] <bin_bash> but i can't move the cursor.
[05:24] <bin_bash> I want to find a fix without restarting
[05:27] <KM0201> bin_bash: gyachi may also be an option (yahoo)
[05:27] <bin_bash> KM0201: meh right now i just want to fix my damn mouse lol
[05:27] <KM0201> lol
[05:28] <KM0201> sorry,  i'm just sitting here reading about various messengers, so i'm just coming across stuff..lol
[05:28] <bin_bash> I know
[05:28] <bin_bash> But wtf man why no cursor?!
[05:28] <bin_bash> the thing is
[05:28] <KM0201> i dunno
[05:28] <bin_bash> i can click
[05:28] <bin_bash> and scroll
[05:28] <KM0201> have you tried restarting?
[05:28] <bin_bash> i dont wanna
[05:29] <KM0201> lol
[05:29] <bin_bash> i'm sure restarting would fix it
[05:29] <Seqis> My mouse misbehaves badly when flipping between KVM ports .. I always have to unplug/replug it back in
[05:29] <Seqis> the KVM is right under the monitor, so it's easy
[05:30] <bin_bash> this is a trackpad
[05:30] <bin_bash> it works with an external
[05:34] <KM0201> "the amazing macintosh"
[05:35] <Seqis> ..afk a few mins
[05:44] <bin_bash> KM0201: skippy is so awesome
[05:45] <Seqis> Can you use Linphone to call other linphone clients or it's built only for sip trunking (landline calls)
[05:46] <bin_bash> yeah
[05:46] <Seqis> yea to which part
[05:46] <bin_bash> oh
[05:46] <bin_bash> yes you can call other sip clients
[05:46] <KM0201> bin_bash: what is skippy? (i remember us talking about it...)
[05:47] <Seqis> ah just sign up for Linphone.org's free sip service -- ok I see
[05:47] <bin_bash> it's that expose program
[05:47] <bin_bash> or script rather
[05:47] <KM0201> oh thats right.. for the workspace switcher?
[05:47] <bin_bash> yea
[05:49] <Sysi> bin_bash: how did you install it?
[05:49] <bin_bash> how did i install what
[05:49] <Sysi> skippy
[05:49] <bin_bash> chmod +x
[05:49] <bin_bash> lol
[05:52] <Sysi> the one skippy i know is written in C ?
[05:54] <Sysi> url for that script?
[06:01] <KM0201> hmm, I just tried Google Talk w/ my two Gmail accounts.. I don't have a web cam, but the audio worked flawlessly.
[06:06] <TheBestJohn> video is also great... even on a relatively slow speed
[06:06] <KM0201> hmm
[06:07] <ball> I should try Ekiga again
[06:07] <KM0201> ball: naa, i'd try google talk.. :) ekiga kinda suxors
[06:08] <KM0201> unless you got friends that use a sip client
[06:08] <KM0201> at which point, i'd probably try linphone
[06:08] <TheBestJohn> plus you can call landlines in US and Canada for the remainder of the year free
[06:08] <KM0201> TheBestJohn: i don't thnk you can do that from pidgin though
[06:09] <TheBestJohn> not sure... I'm having some difficulties installing on my laptop
[06:09] <KM0201> TheBestJohn: installing what?.. pidgin?
[06:10] <TheBestJohn> xubuntu
[06:10] <KM0201> whats the prob?
[06:10]  * KM0201 loves troublesome installs
[06:10] <TheBestJohn> well it's reformatting right now (cause I did something stupid) but in order to get it to work with my wifi dongle I had to use ndiswrapper
[06:11] <TheBestJohn> i installed ndiswrapper and installed the driver and it worked well
[06:11] <KM0201> TheBestJohn: well, thats not exactly the most unusual thing in the world
[06:11] <KM0201> whats the USB dongle device?
[06:11] <KM0201> *assuming its usb
[06:11] <TheBestJohn> i then updated and rebooted and alas wlan0 didn't show up after that
[06:12] <TheBestJohn> TEW424ub
[06:12] <TheBestJohn> theres an actual topic on the forums about that specific dongle
[06:12] <KM0201> TheBestJohn: did you try reinstalling inside ndiswrapper again?.. if you did a kernel upgrade... you might have to do that each time it upgrades (i think, my ndiswrapper experieence islimited)
[06:12] <KM0201> TheBestJohn: are you installing 11.04?
[06:13] <TheBestJohn> reinstalling the driver? Yes I did
[06:13] <KM0201> hmm
[06:13] <TheBestJohn> yep 11.04 freshly downloaded today
[06:13] <TheBestJohn> and modprobe showed it running and everything
[06:14] <bin_bash> i got the cursor working
[06:14] <bin_bash> skype crashed do i rebooted
[06:14] <KM0201> weird.. unfortunately my ndiswrapper experience is limited
[06:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: right before you left, we were discussing google talk w/ pidgin.. seems to work ok
[06:14] <TheBestJohn> so this time i'm using a hardline to update kernel and then installing ndiswrapper and it's dependant
[06:14] <TheBestJohn> s
[06:14] <bin_bash> KM0201: yeah the voice works but not the video
[06:15] <KM0201> oh... i couldn't test that
[06:15] <KM0201> bin_bash: just tell him to tape your picture to his monitor.
[06:15] <KM0201> or make your picture his wallpaper
[06:15] <bin_bash> LOL
[06:15] <bin_bash> oh he has that already
[06:15] <bin_bash> :P
[06:15] <KM0201> lol
[06:16] <KM0201> i can't believe video/audio chat is such a PITA w/ linux.
[06:16] <KM0201> lol
[06:17] <ball> KM0201: Skype worked for me, last type I tried it.
[06:17] <bin_bash> what do the feedback/accelration settings do in the mouse?
[06:18] <KM0201> ball: it works pretty good for me as well, bin_bash has lots of probs w/ it.. .and plus, we're anticipating skype going away since MS has purchased skype
[06:18] <KM0201> bin_bash: not sure about feedback, but acceleration, is how fast the cursor goes from "0 to fast"
[06:18] <TheBestJohn> i think acceleration is how long it takes for the mouse to reach max speed
[06:18]  * ball nods
[06:19] <KM0201> ball: so really we're left w/ dealing w/ either aMSN (which doesn't appear to support video right now either, go figure)... or sip clients.
[06:19] <ball> Why not SIP?
[06:19] <KM0201> ball: it works fine for me.
[06:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: has issues (with everything)
[06:20] <bin_bash> ^trufax
[06:20] <KM0201> trufax?
[06:20] <KM0201> you want to send faxes now?
[06:20]  * KM0201 somehow thinks he's missed another internet meme
[06:21] <bin_bash> it means
[06:21] <KM0201> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trufax
[06:21] <bin_bash> yes, good sir. those are all true things that you have said.
[06:21] <KM0201> "a true statement"
[06:21] <KM0201> lol
[06:21] <KM0201> you'd think working in a prison i'd be well adept w/ urban hood speak...
[06:22] <KM0201> never heard trufax though
[06:24]  * ball is *so* tired
[06:24] <KM0201> bin_bash: how do you install com?  i don't see it in the repos
[06:24] <bin_bash> com?
[06:24] <KM0201> isn't that the name of that command line music player yo were using?
[06:24] <bin_bash> moc
[06:24] <KM0201> thats probably why i can't find it, i'm dyslexic
[06:25] <bin_bash> sudo apt-get install moc
[06:25] <KM0201> ok
[06:25] <KM0201> once i knew the package name, i kinda gathered..lol
[06:26] <KM0201> how do you start it?
[06:26] <KM0201> "moc" tells me i need to install more crap (QT libs)
[06:27] <bin_bash> no
[06:27] <bin_bash> mocp
[06:28] <KM0201> oh ok
[06:53] <Seqis> man I totally screwed up my xubuntu trying to install compiz
[06:53] <Seqis> I tried to uninstall (with --purge) and I removed it -- but the xfce window manager isn't loading properly
[06:54] <Seqis> is there any way to run an xfce --replace or something... like I ran compiz --replace ?
[06:55] <Sysi> Seqis: xfwm4 --replace
[06:55] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and save session on logout
[06:56] <Seqis> got it
[06:56] <Seqis> what's stored in sessions
[06:57] <Sysi> ..sessions
[06:57] <Seqis> man that saved me... compiz totally blew out all my window borders... every window was hanging behind the top-panel
[06:57] <Seqis> thanks sysi
[06:58] <Seqis> I thought I had it right with apt-get --purge remove compiz*
[06:58] <Sysi> you'd need to set compiz to offer window borders by some plugin
[06:58] <Seqis> but I suppose I had to xfwm --replace
[06:58] <Seqis> yea I h ad that set - but window borders refused to draw.. everything was headless
[06:59] <Seqis> and I couldn't alt-tab
[06:59] <Seqis> I had to log in with recovery console just to purge compiz*
[06:59] <Seqis> the xfwm --replace fixed it (after my purge of compiz*) .. thank you very much
[16:05] <Rodensky> hello. how do i restart the sound?
[17:17] <ochosi> Rodensky: first alt+f2 "pulseaudio -k" then again alt+f2 "pulseaudio"
[18:09] <Soupermanito> where do i add a service to start up manually
[18:10] <ochosi> Soupermanito: what do you mean with "start up manually"?
[18:10] <ochosi> if you  want a service to start up manually, just start it manually :)
[18:10] <ochosi> or did you mean automatically?
[18:10] <Soupermanito> now i have to run it manually by ./OctoshapeClient -url:octoshape:BROADCASTER.channel but i want it to be started whit the system
[18:11] <Soupermanito> XD yeah sorry
[18:11] <ochosi> add it to settings > sessions and startup > applications
[18:11] <ochosi> but don't use relative paths
[18:12] <ochosi> (at least i assume the script OctoshapeClient is in your home, not in /)
[18:12] <Soupermanito> :D there it is! i knew it was somewhere
[18:12] <Soupermanito> no no relatives
[18:12] <Soupermanito> :P
[18:13] <ochosi> okeydokey
[18:14] <Soupermanito> how do i test if i did it rigth?
[18:14] <Soupermanito> need to log off log in?
[18:21] <ochosi> Soupermanito: yep guess so
[19:12] <captnemofulcrum> hello my 'file' 'edit' etc are missing from the windows (all windows) i'm using XFCE any ideas
[19:15] <drc> xfwm4 --replace > in a terminal
[19:16] <captnemofulcrum> drc, doesn't seem to fix it
[19:16] <drc> try sudo with it
[19:18] <captnemofulcrum> (xfwm4:5606): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `prefix != NULL' failed xfwm4:5606): xfwm4-WARNING **: Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined
[19:18] <captnemofulcrum> is what it gives me
[19:19] <drc> Yeah...I never remember whether sudo is required or not...guess not.  If that didn't work (usually works for me, but this appears to be a different problem), I'm out of ideas...sorry
[19:19] <Soupermanito> mmm i think you are missing windows borders
[19:20] <captnemofulcrum> is there a way to go back to the default xubuntu session and just nuke all my changes?
[19:20] <Soupermanito> try disabling the compositor? that might help
[19:23] <captnemofulcrum> anyway to do a default session?
[19:26] <drc> captnemofulcrum: I <think> that deleting/renaming ~/.config/xfce4 and restarting X/reboot should work.
[19:27] <captnemofulcrum> drc, so sanity check should i be running gdm or is that part of the problem?
[19:29] <drc> captnemofulcrum: You're asking <me> for a "sanity check"?  HaHaHa.  I don't think gdm is part of the problem...it's more likely to something with the window manager (that's what the xfwm4 --replace was for)
[19:29] <captnemofulcrum> ok thank i be trying stuff :p
[20:17] <new_kid1> Is it possible to create a keyboard shortcut which will force logout ?? How?
[20:20] <W0lner> Hello
[20:21] <new_kid1> W0lner: Hello :-D
[20:26] <bin_bash> is there a way to remove the gmusicbrowser icon from the sound applet?
[20:30] <bin_bash> anyone?
[20:30] <Sysi> remove gmusicbrowser?
[20:30] <bin_bash> i did that
[20:30] <bin_bash> i purged it and everything
[20:30] <drc> bin_bash: You want to keep gmusicbrowser around?
[20:30] <Sysi> relogin
[20:30] <bin_bash> ok
[20:30] <drc> what Sysi said
[20:31]  * drc need to create a macro that says that...he always beats me to the punch ;)
[20:31] <bin_bash> durrr
[20:31] <bin_bash> wow
[20:37] <gilles> hello,
[20:38] <gilles> im just trying xubuntu for the first time. Does it have a feature similar to aero snap?
[20:39] <drc> gilles: What <is> aero snap?
[20:40] <gilles> sorry, its what windows calls the feature where you drag a window to the side (or top) of the desktop and it will snap to fill half of the desktop (or maximise it)
[20:40] <Soupermanito> don't know if compiz can do that kind of thing
[20:41] <bin_bash> drc: yeah it does
[20:41] <bin_bash> err
[20:41] <bin_bash> gilles: it does
[20:41] <bin_bash> lemme find it
[20:41] <gilles> i followed this guide http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/get-aero-snap-in-ubuntu/
[20:42] <gilles> but it isnt working
[20:42] <bin_bash> wait
[20:42] <bin_bash> it's built into xwm4
[20:42] <bin_bash> xfwm4*
[20:42] <bin_bash> hold on
[20:42] <bin_bash> ok
[20:42] <bin_bash> go to settings > window manager > advanced
[20:42] <bin_bash> It's there with window snapping
[20:43] <drc> gilles: That article is very old (in computer years :)
[20:43] <bin_bash> 2009 oh god lol
[20:43] <gilles> didnt see that
[20:43] <gilles> i have the box checked but it doesnt seem to work
[20:44] <bin_bash> what do you  mean it doesnt work
[20:44] <gilles> when i drag the window to an  edge it doesnt do anything
[20:44] <drc> bin_bash: if  you mean Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Window Manager>Advanced it doesn't change the window size, just the "snappiness"
[20:44] <bin_bash> what are you expecing it to do
[20:44] <bin_bash> oh
[20:44] <bin_bash> i didnt read that
[20:44] <bin_bash> get a different window manager like awesome or soemthing
[20:44] <bin_bash> i think awesome does that
[20:45] <gilles> kde does it
[20:45] <drc> oooo...tornado warning :)
[20:46] <bin_bash> so then go use kde
[20:46] <bin_bash> have fun with your bloat on bloat
[20:47] <drc> gilles: So does Unity.
[20:47] <bin_bash> unity makes me want to throw up.
[20:48] <gilles> but i dont want to use kde
[20:48] <bin_bash> well
[20:48] <bin_bash> you sound like a whining child
[20:48] <drc> bin_bash: Manners please
[20:48] <bin_bash> Sorry.
[20:49] <drc> bin_bash:  Forgiven and forgotten :)
[20:49] <Sysi> gilles: everything isn't possible on xfwm4, you can try settings up compiz or kwin
[20:49] <Soupermanito> but xfce does that as default, the snap thingy
[20:50] <drc> Oh snap!
[20:50] <bin_bash> He wants special fancy resize snap
[20:50] <bin_bash> try using a different wm
[20:50] <Sysi> Soupermanito: snapping to edge is totally different
[20:50] <bin_bash> like awesome
[20:52] <Sysi> awesome is more keyboard-oriented i think
[20:53] <Unit193> It is kinda keyboard-oriented, but you can also use the mouse
[20:53] <bin_bash> well you can't have everything, man
[20:53] <Sysi> women can? :P
[20:54] <bin_bash> yes.
[20:54] <bin_bash> :P
[20:54] <TheSheep> only as a nation
[20:54] <bin_bash> man, MoC is so much better than gmusic
[20:55] <gilles> i tried following the guide I posted but it didnt work. Im pretty new to linux so wondered whether compiz was compatible with xubuntu
[20:55] <bin_bash> gilles: if you want compiz you're beter off using regular ubuntu
[20:56] <gilles> im not a fan of unity
[20:56] <bin_bash> no but you can use gnome
[20:56] <gilles> didnt know that.
[20:57] <drc> bin_bash: What id MoC?
[20:57] <bin_bash> music on console
[20:57] <bin_bash> cli music player
[20:58] <drc> bin_bash: ah..thanks
[20:58] <bin_bash> so awesome. i have it working with conky.
[20:58] <bin_bash> you can easily add it to the conky config file
[20:58] <Sysi> gilles: you need some setupping to get window borders if you're using compiz, but basically works
[20:59] <bin_bash> but a couple friends of mine whipped up a python script so that when moc isn't running it displays as false
[21:00] <Sysi> gilles: you can set keyboard shortcuts to that kind of functions with xfwm4, see window manager settings
[21:03] <gilles> thanks, ill have a look at that.
[21:08] <pimperle> hi
[21:08] <pimperle> on xubuntu lucid i used xfapplet to embed the gnome clock applet into my panel, which i like better than the xfce one
[21:08] <pimperle> on natty the applet is installed but does not show up in the list of available applets in xfapplet configuration dialog
[21:09] <bin_bash> Sysi: I'm trying to change the audio properties of this file, but anytime I try to enter something it just blanks it out and returns it to the default
[21:09] <pimperle> in /usr/share/gnome-panel/applets it starts with org.gnome.panel instead of org.gnome.applets. could this be the reason for xfapplet not finding it?
[21:09] <Sysi> bin_bash: gmb?
[21:10] <bin_bash> what?
[21:10] <Sysi> where is that happening?
[21:10] <bin_bash> it happens with all music files
[21:10] <bin_bash> thunar
[21:11] <pimperle> i cannot find anything looknig like that in the source however
[21:11] <Sysi> bin_bash: what do you mean by audio properties?
[21:11] <bin_bash> if you right click a music file
[21:11] <bin_bash> and select "properties"
[21:12] <Sysi> never even tried that
[21:13] <bin_bash> try it
[21:13] <bin_bash> see if u can do it
[21:15] <drc> bin_bash: nope...returns to what it was before.
[21:15] <bin_bash> hmmm
[21:16] <bin_bash> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116356
[21:18] <drc> bin_bash: Check launchpad and see if there is a bug filed?
[21:18] <bin_bash> im googling
[21:18] <Soupermanito> oh great just great
[21:18] <Soupermanito> i floped things up
[21:20] <Soupermanito> so i activated compiz, because im that stupid, and now if i stop compiz it will take away my window borders, and also the keyboard, so i can't type
[21:21] <Sysi> later one is bit weird
[21:23] <Soupermanito> Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators
[21:23] <bin_bash> just type xfwm4
[21:23] <Soupermanito> Starting gtk-window-decorator
[21:23] <Soupermanito> (gtk-window-decorator:3989): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_set_string: assertion `val != NULL' failed
[21:23] <Soupermanito> i, can't, type
[21:23] <bin_bash> sucks bro
[21:23] <bin_bash> idk what to tell you
[21:23] <Soupermanito> :D i can now
[21:23] <bin_bash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/thunar-media-tags-plugin
[21:23] <bin_bash> Sysi: do i need to build that
[21:24] <Sysi> idk
[21:25] <bin_bash> well
[21:25] <bin_bash> make and .make don't work
[21:26] <drc> bin_bash: Check Synaptic...it looks like it is installed by default...at least on my system
[21:26] <bin_bash> well crap
[21:29] <Soupermanito> so if i dont manually run >compiz at a terminal it won't work?
[21:29] <bin_bash> You have to replace xfwm4 with compiz
[21:30] <Soupermanito> D: but i don't want to
[21:30] <bin_bash> why
[21:30] <Soupermanito> have you seen the compiz layouts? they are awful
[21:30] <Sysi> then xfwm4 --replace
[21:30] <bin_bash> then why are you using it in the first placE?
[21:31] <Soupermanito> i wanted to try stuff, like the cube and to see if i could do nice things whit it, but is just eyed candies
[21:31] <Sysi> bin_bash, asking that doesn't actually help on anything
[21:31] <bin_bash> Well it helps to understand why he wouldnt replace it
[21:32] <Sysi> that isn't relevant in getting it working
[21:33] <Soupermanito> :D ok, now i have xfwm4 working again :D
[21:33]  * Sysi testing gnonom3, yet in fallback because need to install new kernel before installing nvidia
[21:33] <Soupermanito> thanks
[21:33] <Soupermanito> gotta do stuff
[21:42] <xubuntu222> hello
[22:00] <Guest50649> hi, the system recognize my audio board but i can`t make it work. it doesn`t have a sound
[22:00] <Guest50649> any help?
[22:01] <bin_bash> okay are you using 11.04?
[22:01] <Guest50649> yes
[22:02] <bin_bash> okay open up a terminal and type alsamixer
[22:02] <Guest50649> ok
[22:02] <Guest50649> done
[22:02] <Guest50649> but one thing before that
[22:02] <bin_bash> ok
[22:03] <Guest50649> the sys recognize that i have 2 boards. the off and the onboard.
[22:03] <Guest50649> the off has no sound
[22:03] <Guest50649> but the on has sound
[22:03] <bin_bash> oh
[22:04] <Guest50649> i just had to say it, so you could know if it would make any difference
[22:05] <Guest50649> so... what to do now, sir?
[22:07] <Sysi> install pavucontrol
[22:08] <gilles> could somebody recommend a vnc client?
[22:08] <Sysi> remmina or vinagre should work
[22:09] <gilles> thanks
[22:09] <Guest50649> installed pavucontrol
[22:12] <Guest50649> it totally worked.
[22:12] <Guest50649> you`re genius
[22:12] <Guest50649> thaks!
[22:13] <Guest50649> i have another problem
[22:13] <Guest50649> where do i set my keyboard type
[22:13] <Guest50649> ?
[22:13] <gilles> I keep getting a window popping up with nothing in it, but with the title Debconf.
[22:13] <gilles> is this a problem?
[22:14] <Sysi> menu → settings → settings → keyboard
[22:14] <Guest50649> it seems that it doesnt have my keyboard setting
[22:14] <Guest50649> i mean, i need abtn2
[22:14] <Guest50649> setting
[22:14] <Guest50649> where do i get it?
[22:17] <Guest50649> i was just messing with the wrong menu (keyboard method). the keyboard menu actually done the job.
[22:17] <Guest50649> thank you
[22:27] <bin_bash> drc: know of a good way to convert mp4 to mp3?
[22:29] <drc> sound converter (repos) is what I use when I cont to convert audio.  Don't now if it does mp4, but google is your friend :)
[22:30] <drc> bin_bash:  "It reads sound files in any format supported by GStreamerand outputs them in Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, or WAV format, or MP3 format if
[22:30] <drc> you have the GStreamer LAME plugin.
[22:30] <bin_bash> no
[22:31] <drc> no, what?
[22:32] <bin_bash> no i don't plugin
[22:33] <drc> ok...there is a link in the app that will make getting the plugin easy.
[22:34] <drc> In the preference
[22:35] <drc> http://soundconverter.berlios.de/gstreamer-mp3-encoding-howto/   This is it...can't be much easier :)
[22:37] <bin_bash> yeah but i have to isntall gnome2 it says
[22:38] <drc> I doubt it, I just installed it without installing gnome2.
[22:39] <drc> It does add a bunch of dependencies though
[22:39] <bin_bash> ok
[22:40] <drc> use synaptic and read the dependencies, just to be sure.
[22:42] <bin_bash> okay now wyat
[22:42] <drc> looksd like the dependencies are python and gts streamer
[22:42] <drc> installed?
[22:44] <drc> and the mp3 dependency installed?
[22:44] <bin_bash> yeah i got
[22:44] <drc> set the preferences
[22:47] <drc> then use the menu or drag and drop the files to be converted and convert
[23:02] <netrat> how do i prevent cupsd starting on boot? in previous versions of ubuntu all the startup scripts were stored in /etc/rc2.d. has this changed?
[23:03] <netrat> xubuntu*
[23:12] <Annunakey> anybody on?
[23:12] <Annunakey> need help :/
[23:13] <drc> There's very little chance of us guessing what your problem is.
[23:15] <Annunakey> lol
[23:15] <Annunakey> i am trying to install xubuntu 10.10 on old machine
[23:15] <Annunakey> 660mghz, 192 SDram
[23:15] <Annunakey> an alternate cd
[23:16] <Annunakey> but an error apeared "... Tha failing step is: Load installer components from cd"
[23:16] <Annunakey> looks like could not mount the cd rom
[23:17] <Annunakey> any sugestions:?\