[00:20]  * tazz gotta go sleep too...
[05:12] <ulysses> morning people, still sleeping?:P
[05:32] <ScottK> ulysses: Good morning.
[05:33] <ulysses> good morning ScottK 
[05:33] <ScottK> Hello.  So you are visiting us today?
[05:34] <ulysses> yepp, bus starts at 6:50 to the train station, train at 7:45, arriving Budapest at 10:15
[05:35] <ScottK> Great.
[05:43] <ulysses> I go to the bus, see you later
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> Morning guys
[07:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell 
[07:44] <Riddell> hola
[07:45] <shadeslayer> Morning guys :)
[08:13] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/clean-la.mk'
[08:13] <JontheEchidna> bleh
[08:15] <DarkwingDuck> Hey JontheEchidna 
[08:15] <DarkwingDuck> How are you this morning?
[08:15] <JontheEchidna> pretty good
[08:15] <JontheEchidna> found a bug in a gstreamer package description, and I had to install gnome-pkg-tools to even do a debuild -S -sd
[08:18] <debfx> JontheEchidna: you can use -nc once debuild supports it (devscripts >= 2.10.70)
[08:19] <JontheEchidna> this is -nc for source builds rather than just binary builds?
[08:19] <debfx> I  think it works for both
[08:19] <JontheEchidna> cool
[08:20] <JontheEchidna> that would make things easier
[08:26] <ScottK> That or just use dpkg-buildpackage which supports -nc since approximately forever.
[08:33] <JontheEchidna> jussi: bad news, turns out your bug is a QApt bug after some serious digging. Good news is, I've most likely fixed it.
[08:34] <JontheEchidna> DonKult told me in person that Julian Klode left a really nasty comment in the LP bug, so I am going to be a little troll and never touch it again, but the bug will be fixed
[08:57] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: are you going to the upstream translations session?
[08:57] <JontheEchidna> I'd sort of like to go to a different one, but we need somebody there
[08:59] <udslogger> aye
[09:01]  * valorie will be there remotely
[09:01] <valorie> although no sound yet
[09:07] <valorie> riddell is at least in the channel.....
[09:07] <valorie> and on the etherpad
[09:07] <Riddell> hmm?
[09:07] <Riddell> I'm in launchpad translations
[09:07] <valorie> JontheEchidna was eager that someone be there
[09:08] <valorie> I'm there remotely
[09:08] <JontheEchidna> I'm in the "Improve handling of release announcements in update-manager" session
[09:08] <JontheEchidna> it also has a bit to do with l10n
[09:09] <valorie> cool
[09:09] <udslogger> ScottK: btw, b43 is the floss driver for broadcom, switching to bcmwl makes network work properly
[09:09] <JontheEchidna> The way this discussion is headed I think that there may be some need for kubuntu representation
[09:10] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: what session?
[09:11] <JontheEchidna> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/foundations-o-update-manager-release-announcements
[09:12] <ScottK> udslogger: That explains it then.  I'm using bcmwl.
[09:12] <udslogger> *nod*
[09:13] <udslogger> ulysses: are you at the u and d and s already?
[09:14] <bambee> morning
[09:16] <udslogger> jussi: do you think we can ever get the admins to ensure the font on the irc projection is not flipping small?
[09:16] <udslogger> once again I am sitting in the back of the room and I cannot read fck
[09:16] <jussi> udslogger: Im on it
[09:16] <udslogger> jussi++
[09:17] <udslogger> jussi: they should also create a setup-proceedings paper that includes "ensure font size is appropriate" ;)
[09:17] <jussi> udslogger: where are you?
[09:18] <udslogger> jussi: krudy... upstream translation import
[09:20] <udslogger> hehe, the irc projection is being taken over by dialogs ^^
[09:23] <valorie> my god that room is noisy
[09:24] <afiestas> valorie: which one?
[09:25] <valorie> krudy
[09:25] <valorie> sirens and construction sounds
[09:25] <JontheEchidna> lol
[09:25] <Quintasan> oh shit
[09:25] <JontheEchidna> that's the unventilated room that must have the windows open to avoid heat stroke
[09:25] <Quintasan> the Rodrigo I pulled off was longer I intended
[09:26] <JontheEchidna> you only had 30 minutes when I saw you from the elevator, how long were you planning on?
[09:26] <Quintasan> exactly this long
[09:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[09:26] <Quintasan> where are you now?
[09:26] <JontheEchidna> I am in erkel listening to update-manager stuff and making sure that kubuntu doesn't get left behind
[09:27] <JontheEchidna> others are in the upstream translation import session
[09:27] <Quintasan> That's not relevant to my intrests
[09:28] <ScottK> valorie: I'm in the translations session too and the window is open because the room is quite warm.
[09:28] <Quintasan> docs review is relevant
[09:28] <Quintasan> I'm going to show up there
[09:30] <valorie> yes, me too
[09:31] <valorie> going to try to stay awake for the council session
[09:32] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: oh yeah, I was thinking you should go there :P
[09:33] <udslogger> Quintasan: I dont even know what we do in the doc review session
[09:34] <Quintasan> udslogger: And why else do you think I'm going to show up there instead Rodrigo'ing a little bit more?
[09:35]  * udslogger pulled a rodrigo instead of having breakfast
[09:35] <afiestas> I almost made a Rodrigo today :/ it cost me a little bit to waking up
[09:36] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: Did jussi show you his Unity looking desktop?
[09:36] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: he tweeted it
[09:36] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[09:37] <DarkwingDuck> I was reviewing open browser tabs and saw it again.
[09:37] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: go look at his identica/tweets - on identica there is a huge crazy discussion :P :P
[09:37] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: they might switch from the .txt release upgrade notes to a webpage from marketting
[09:37] <JontheEchidna> so we need to make sure that we get attention
[09:38] <udslogger> yeah, force ubuntu branding into kubuntu
[09:38] <udslogger> hooray
[09:38] <jussi> udslogger: ?
[09:38] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: any reason for that?
[09:39] <JontheEchidna> more l10n-able
[09:39] <udslogger> jussi: if it is a webpage, the webpage will carry ubuntu branding
[09:39] <JontheEchidna> plus dx doesn't think the current notes inspire people to upgrade
[09:39] <udslogger> thus causing more brand polution
[09:39] <jussi> who what? 
[09:39] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: well, so they should create a simple markup :P
[09:39] <udslogger> and then theme accordingly
[09:40] <udslogger> + translating plain text ought to be easier than webpages, no?
[09:40] <JontheEchidna> the current method for whatever reason doesn't have l10n
[09:40] <udslogger> that does not mean that the method is bad though
[09:40] <udslogger> just that the impl is limited
[09:41] <JontheEchidna> here are the notes: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/foundations-o-update-manager-release-announcements/
[09:42] <udslogger> lol
[09:42] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: the first 3 paras are *exactly* what is solved by the existing l10n technologies
[09:45] <valorie> blast and damn
[09:45] <valorie> double sessions twice today
[09:45] <valorie> I'm missing so much!
[09:47] <udslogger> ScottK: would we actually want that?
[09:49] <ScottK> I would have to be convinced.
[09:52] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: pretty much it is the desktop/marketing teams' excuse to pimp out the release notes
[09:52]  * JontheEchidna is in tas now
[09:54] <valorie> I'm going there, but break is now, right?
[09:56] <udslogger> rbelem: persia suggests you should attend the kernel verion and flavors session in krudy
[09:56] <udslogger> since we might need a new kernel for tablets, if we get a device that is
[09:56] <udslogger> if someone sees him plz fwd ^
[09:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Docs stuff is in Tas?
[09:58] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yup
[09:58] <Quintasan> omw
[10:00] <JontheEchidna> I am now saying it is exactly 11:00 
[10:00] <JontheEchidna> valorie, DarkwingDuck^
[10:01] <DarkwingDuck> Yup... it was good. Almost no lag
[10:01] <JontheEchidna> nice
[10:05] <valorie> danke darling
[10:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: /win 26
[10:42] <DarkwingDuck> BAH
[11:14] <bambee> have a good lunch :)
[11:50] <JontheEchidna> udslogger: for your interest: bug 780971
[11:55] <udslogger> jussi: ping
[11:56] <Riddell> ScottK: please approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-lightdm
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Done
[12:02] <c2tarun> ScottK: I just got a mail from you about putting names forward for kubuntu-members. Can I put my name forward?
[12:02] <ScottK> You have to be a kubuntu-member.
[12:03] <Quintasan> c2tarun: we are voting for council members and to vote you have to be a kubuntu member
[12:03] <c2tarun> ohh... (sorry I misunderstood)
[12:07] <Quintasan> jussi: go to lobby for voucher
[12:07] <debfx> Quintasan: kubuntu_17_enable_qtwebkit_for_qtassistant.diff shouldn't go upstream
[12:07] <Quintasan> jussi: or meet me at lunch
[12:08] <Quintasan> debfx: ddenis told us otherwise
[12:08] <Quintasan> ask him not me
[12:08] <Quintasan> im just pushing tem upstream
[12:08] <debfx> Quintasan: they certainly won't accept it
[12:09] <Quintasan> idont think i pushed it
[12:12] <debfx> you added "keep it and propose upstream" to the whiteboard
[12:13] <debfx> I'm not sure about kubuntu_29_egl_qglcontext_stubs.diff, afaik adding virtual functions is BIC
[12:56] <ScottK> Riddell_: light dm is on the schedule now.
[13:02] <ScottK> claydoh: Can you make some kind of annoucement about KC elections (see /topic) on Kubuntu Forums?
[13:03] <ScottK> It would also be nice if someone with ops in #kubuntu added something there too.
[13:17] <ulysses> ksmanis: kcm-grub2 is going to extragear?
[13:18] <ksmanis> ulysses: it's being reviewed atm
[13:18] <ulysses> I'm doing the Hungarian translation right now
[13:19] <ksmanis> good
[13:20] <ulysses> kcm-grub2 was updated today in Kubuntu 11.10, so I can see my translations to work
[13:21] <Riddell_> seaLne: you've used the alternate CD before, if you have an opinion on if it should still exist there's a session in 40 minutes
[13:23] <ksmanis> ulysses: btw there is already a hungarian translation
[13:23] <ksmanis> by the hungarian kde translation team
[13:26] <ulysses> I am the hungarian translation team ;)
[13:26] <ksmanis> hah
[13:26] <ksmanis> great
[13:26] <Quintasan> jussi: PING
[13:27] <jussi> Quintasan: what?
[13:27] <Quintasan> jussi: Where are you?
[13:27] <jussi> plenary?
[13:27] <Quintasan> jussi: raise your hand
[13:27] <jussi> no.
[13:27] <Quintasan> lol
[13:27] <jussi> center, slightly left of the horizontal aisle
[13:28] <jussi> why do you need me? 
[13:28] <jussi> where are you? 
[13:28] <Quintasan> jussi: next to last exit on the back of the room
[13:28] <seaLne> Riddell_: currently i don't think you can do encrypted disks with the live cd?
[13:28] <Quintasan> jussi: I want to give you voucher before I lose it
[13:28] <udslogger> Quintasan: did I win anything yet?
[13:29] <udslogger> oh
[13:29] <udslogger> and where do I get le voucher?
[13:29] <udslogger> oh
[13:29] <Quintasan> jussi: poke udslogger to get his too because he was too lazy
[13:29] <Quintasan> oh
[13:29] <udslogger> and where is emmit
[13:29] <udslogger> oh
[13:29] <udslogger> and where is denis?
[13:29] <Quintasan> udslogger: Go to confenrence desk ie. where ladies are giving out Qt stickers
[13:29] <jussi> im 2 exits in front of you
[13:29] <seaLne> Riddell_: but yeah my uses apart from encrypted disks would probably be limited these days
[13:30]  * udslogger needs coffee as he has le spellling issu0r
[13:30] <udslogger> Quintasan: meh. I am downstairs
[13:30] <udslogger> jussi can pick it up :P
[13:30] <Quintasan> udslogger: get voucher for jussi
[13:30] <udslogger> Quintasan: did i win anything yet?
[13:31] <Quintasan> I either missed announcement or they are going to announce it at the end
[13:31] <udslogger> zomg that is evil
[13:32] <udslogger> if the talks where even interesting and stuff
[13:33] <Quintasan> udslogger: For denis, #qt-labs
[13:33] <Quintasan> ddenis :P
[13:35] <Riddell_> seaLne: what else did you need it for?
[13:35] <Riddell_> LVM?
[13:37] <Quintasan> udslogger: ohshi-
[13:37] <Quintasan> udslogger: the prizes were for Linaro guys, not for us :S
[13:37] <udslogger> lolwut?
[13:37] <udslogger> terribly eval
[13:39] <seaLne> Riddell_: yeah basically any non plain disk management stuff
[13:39] <seaLne> Riddell_: in the past it was also the only way if you had a proxy
[13:53] <c2tarun> I got this error while compiling telepathy-chat-handler. http://paste.kde.org/62815/ can anyone please help
[14:13] <udslogger> DarkwingDuck: council!
[14:20] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: thanks for the vote of confidence.
[15:01] <maco> seaLne: a session this week was on adding LVM support to the Live installer. which apparently i will need to figure out how to do because i said "yes" when asked to be kubuntu-installer-person this time
[15:01] <maco> (ohgodsohgods)
[15:26] <fregl> hi distro people, does this sound like an ok solution to enable accessibility on the fly? https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/ATK2011/Agenda/EnablingAccessibilityProposal
[15:27] <fregl> names and details are up for debate of course
[15:27] <seaLne> maco: will encrypted support also be added?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ubiquity is all pyth0rn right?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yes
[15:47] <yofel> how did the alternate session go?
[15:47] <udslogger> alternate is le dead
[15:48] <fregl> udslogger: soon it's Randa time, you know what that means, right?
[15:48] <udslogger> fluff!!!!
[15:48] <fregl> omg!!! :D
[15:48] <yofel> k, I'm not much of a d-i fan anyway, except that ubiquity is still lacking stuff
[15:48] <udslogger> fregl: somehow that topic creeps up once a day here :P
[15:49] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok, i
[15:49] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:49] <udslogger> also plasma-netbook is crapz because it does not apply fluffy theme for some reason
[15:49] <fregl> udslogger: poor you
[15:49] <udslogger> yeah
[15:49] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i'm thinking of working on the networkmanager stuff for the Kubuntu Ubiquity installer
[15:49] <fregl> udslogger: poke ddenis from me
[15:49] <udslogger> I shall do so
[15:49] <udslogger> fregl: did you see our kubuntu unity prototype?
[15:50] <fregl> udslogger: no, didn't really
[15:50] <udslogger> zomg
[15:50] <fregl> too bad these events are all at the same time
[15:50] <fregl> but gnome+mozilla accessibility people are cool
[15:50] <shadeslayer> fregl: he leaked them KDinty pics
[15:50] <udslogger> fregl: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg
[15:51] <j1mc> could someone who sees apachelogger around uds make sure that he talks to j1mc? (the docs guy)?
[15:51] <fregl> haha
[15:51] <udslogger> j1mc: where are you?
[15:51] <udslogger> been looking for you all day
[15:51] <j1mc> our sessions overlapped today, and i didn't get to see the kubuntu docs thing
[15:51] <udslogger> actually I have a session in a bit
[15:51] <j1mc> udslogger: i'm in the IRC council mtg
[15:52] <udslogger> j1mc: do you have time after sessions?
[15:52] <j1mc> yes, when would you like to meet up?
[15:52] <udslogger> any time you want, I do not need dinner ^^
[15:52] <j1mc> :)
[15:53]  * j1mc looks at my schedule
[15:54] <j1mc> udslogger: i'll join your next session, and we can talk afterwards
[15:55] <udslogger> j1mc: okies, awesome
[16:07] <shadeslayer> !search glibconfig.h
[16:07] <shadeslayer> !find glibconfig.h
[16:11]  * j1mc waves at udslogger 
[16:21] <maco> seaLne: that's a pretty common reason to use LVM, so i would imagine so
[16:23] <j1mc> udslogger: i have to write up some stuff, so will be down in the non-smoking section of the lobby.
[16:23] <udslogger> j1mc: ok
[16:29] <Riddell_> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/63127/
[16:51] <maco> Riddell: are they looking for a program to teach Xhosa? maybe Parley?
[16:52] <Riddell> I've no idea
[16:54] <fregl> nice
[16:54] <fregl> who wouldn't want their daily dosis of xhosa
[17:12] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: i just talked to the guys who wrote plasma kparts and they said it should be possible
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ( embedding KNM KParts in the installer )
[17:14] <jtechidna> cool
[20:27] <afiestas> rbelem: Quintasan aRRRRRm rum rum rum 
[20:27] <afiestas> udslogger: rum?
[20:41] <afiestas> rbelem: udslogger Quintasan rum?
[21:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw, with delay, but I did a bit of kdepim testing. Both versions seem to work fine, but you don't have the same opinion what files are supposed to go where:
[21:17] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a4.5.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[21:17] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/korg-journal.png', which is also in package kjots 4:4.5.95-0ubuntu0~ppa1
[22:09] <allee> active
[22:24] <allee> anyone working on plasma-active pkgs or had a look how much work it would be? 
[22:27] <yofel> don't think so, esp. since most folks are at UDS this week
[22:27] <yofel> iirc there was some talk about it though
[22:29] <allee> yofel: ok, thx!