[02:14] <charlie-tca> Good evening! we are back already... :-)
[03:08] <cpatrick008> does anybody know when the daily and daily-live iso's will be out for oneiric
[03:18] <charlie-tca> cpatrick008: usually not until just before alpha1
[03:23] <cpatrick008> ok
[04:01] <sony_> hey guys
[04:55] <trinikrono> are daily images of oneiric availible as yet?
[05:44] <wolter> anybody using gnome 3 / gnome shell ?
[13:23] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:24] <zniavre> if i can't run unity cause blacklisted hardware (natty and maybe 11.10) do you think gnome3 + shell  can run ?
[14:39] <sagaci> any indication of when daily images will start for oneiric... I'm guessing a week or two after UDS...?
[14:56] <CardinalFang> sagaci, daily images of what?
[14:58] <sagaci> CardinalFang: err, snapshot releases.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[14:58] <sagaci> i assumed they started a bit before alpha 1
[19:48] <rcmaehl> WOOT!
[19:48] <rcmaehl> Time to break 11.10
[20:02] <__mikem> lolwut
[20:18] <rcmaehl> isn't oneiric ocelet 11.10?
[20:22] <Pici> Yes
[20:42] <jo-erlend> is there a place to read a short overview of what the main goals are for O?
[20:44] <Pici> jo-erlend: Wait a few days for stuff to settle down from UDS and there will be something
[20:45] <jo-erlend> oh, I haven't paid attention this time... I've been moving house, so things have been rather chaotic. It's just finished?
[20:47] <yofel> jo-erlend: it's this week, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-13/ is what's left for tmorrow
[20:48] <jo-erlend> oh... hehe, then it's a little bit early to ask for conclusions. :)
[22:26] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:26] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:26] <BUGabundo> +1 is open
[22:27] <yofel> wb BUGabundo ^^
[22:27] <BUGabundo> so what's new?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> just heard about WM change
[22:28] <BUGabundo> BTRFS is terribly broken
[22:28] <BUGabundo> so AVOID using it
[22:28] <yofel> really? I'm on btrfs right now
[22:28] <BUGabundo> without btrfs tools system locks up, corrupts etc
[22:28] <BUGabundo> with it, every boot is being checked
[22:28] <BUGabundo> and terribly slow booting
[22:28] <yofel> I deleted the fsck.btrfs, didn't break anything so far
[22:28] <semitones>  do people usually run the development ubuntu in a vm I guess
[22:28] <BUGabundo> semitones: not all of us
[22:29] <yofel> semitones: most people do, I on hardware
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I've been running bare metal since 7.04
[22:29] <semitones> cool
[22:30] <semitones> i thought it might endanger the disks or something
[22:30] <yofel> btrfs with compression is cool, but I trashed some VMs before I figured out how to revert a root snapshot
[22:30] <yofel> semitones: in a VM certainly not
[22:31] <BUGabundo> semitones: data lost IS real
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I tend to do every two weeks a snapshot to another disk
[22:31] <yofel> well, you VM *will* break at some point, that much I can guarantee
[22:31] <yofel> *your
[22:31] <BUGabundo> and since it's a SSD I have not that much data here
[22:31] <yofel> yeah, backups are essential
[23:01] <kklimonda> yay, open for business!
[23:02] <BUGabundo> hey hey kklimonda
[23:02] <yofel> hey kklimonda
[23:03] <kklimonda> huh, gnome devs are smoking some really good stuff..
[23:03] <kklimonda> (they are yet again talking about "gnome os" on MLs)
[23:04] <kklimonda> so, how is oneiric? stable?
[23:04]  * kklimonda is repeating "I will not upgrade before Beta1, I will not upgrade..."
[23:04] <yofel> kubuntu runs fine for me so far, LOL
[23:04] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: wt heck dude!
[23:05] <BUGabundo> how can you ASK that?!
[23:05] <yofel> it's not like it'll be broken *before* beta1 anyway ^^
[23:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I haven't really been keeping tabs on Ubuntu in last few weeks, so I don't know what's going on ;)
[23:06] <Gulfstream> is it possible to use 'update-manager -d' now or do I still have to modify sources.list?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> don't think you can
[23:07] <BUGabundo> you need to sed sources.list for now
[23:07] <kklimonda> yeah, it's not going to work till alpha1 release afair
[23:07] <BUGabundo> but be free to test :P
[23:14] <arand> BUGabundo: re. btrfsck, it is a read-only tool, I doubt disabling whould have anything to do with corruption/lockups etc.
[23:14] <BUGabundo> arand: tell that to my drive
[23:15] <arand> I would guess it's just btrfs in general doing it's thang, beein' 'sperimental etc.
[23:15] <yofel> well, no corruption here so far, let's see how far I get
[23:16] <yofel> wasn't that new btrfsck supposed to be out *really* soon now? ^^
[23:16] <arand> "End of month" according to some..
[23:17] <yofel> odd bug that met me on my eeePC was bug 774217
[23:17] <arand> But I guess you can count on it coming out just in time not to make it into oo, that's generally how things go...
[23:17] <yofel> well, I would be fine with that
[23:19] <arand> I staill can't really fathom why btrfsck was enabled on natty though... I can only assume by unknowing error..
[23:20] <yofel> right, I was wondering why my eeePC booted so slow with btrfs until I installed bootchart which showed fsck.btrfs taking half a minute
[23:22] <Gulfstream> btrfs decreases speed?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> meh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I guess ill backup data, upgrade SSD fw
[23:23] <BUGabundo> and clean install on ext4
[23:23] <arand> btrfsck is a klunky unfinished tool which was never meant to be run on boot..
[23:24] <BUGabundo> its not on boot LOL
[23:24] <arand> I was referring to the boot speed thing..
[23:25] <yofel_> other than btrfsck the speed is ~ok on an SSD, as long as you don't try to use discard
[23:25] <arand> But yeah in some points btrfs itself is still quite unoptimised..
[23:28] <BUGabundo> APT is *very* *very* slow :(
[23:29] <arand> Yea that as well..
[23:29] <jtaylor> use eatmydata :)
[23:29] <yofel> for me only with discard enabled, there every fsync call took over a second, without it's usable
[23:29] <arand> Was just sbout to suggest that :)
[23:29] <yofel> I'm using zlib compression here btw
[23:32] <arand> Woa, uds is noticable, only 13 package upgrades..