| charlie-tca | Good evening! we are back already... :-) | 02:14 |
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| cpatrick008 | does anybody know when the daily and daily-live iso's will be out for oneiric | 03:08 |
| charlie-tca | cpatrick008: usually not until just before alpha1 | 03:18 |
| cpatrick008 | ok | 03:23 |
| sony_ | hey guys | 04:01 |
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| trinikrono | are daily images of oneiric availible as yet? | 04:55 |
| wolter | anybody using gnome 3 / gnome shell ? | 05:44 |
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| zniavre | good afternoon | 13:23 |
| zniavre | if i can't run unity cause blacklisted hardware (natty and maybe 11.10) do you think gnome3 + shell can run ? | 13:24 |
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| sagaci | any indication of when daily images will start for oneiric... I'm guessing a week or two after UDS...? | 14:39 |
| CardinalFang | sagaci, daily images of what? | 14:56 |
| sagaci | CardinalFang: err, snapshot releases.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ | 14:58 |
| sagaci | i assumed they started a bit before alpha 1 | 14:58 |
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| rcmaehl | WOOT! | 19:48 |
| rcmaehl | Time to break 11.10 | 19:48 |
| __mikem | lolwut | 20:02 |
| rcmaehl | isn't oneiric ocelet 11.10? | 20:18 |
| Pici | Yes | 20:22 |
| jo-erlend | is there a place to read a short overview of what the main goals are for O? | 20:42 |
| Pici | jo-erlend: Wait a few days for stuff to settle down from UDS and there will be something | 20:44 |
| jo-erlend | oh, I haven't paid attention this time... I've been moving house, so things have been rather chaotic. It's just finished? | 20:45 |
| yofel | jo-erlend: it's this week, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-13/ is what's left for tmorrow | 20:47 |
| jo-erlend | oh... hehe, then it's a little bit early to ask for conclusions. :) | 20:48 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | YAY | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | +1 is open | 22:26 |
| yofel | wb BUGabundo ^^ | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | so what's new? | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | just heard about WM change | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | BTRFS is terribly broken | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | so AVOID using it | 22:28 |
| yofel | really? I'm on btrfs right now | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | without btrfs tools system locks up, corrupts etc | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | with it, every boot is being checked | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | and terribly slow booting | 22:28 |
| yofel | I deleted the fsck.btrfs, didn't break anything so far | 22:28 |
| semitones | do people usually run the development ubuntu in a vm I guess | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | semitones: not all of us | 22:28 |
| yofel | semitones: most people do, I on hardware | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | I've been running bare metal since 7.04 | 22:29 |
| semitones | cool | 22:29 |
| semitones | i thought it might endanger the disks or something | 22:30 |
| yofel | btrfs with compression is cool, but I trashed some VMs before I figured out how to revert a root snapshot | 22:30 |
| yofel | semitones: in a VM certainly not | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | semitones: data lost IS real | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | I tend to do every two weeks a snapshot to another disk | 22:31 |
| yofel | well, you VM *will* break at some point, that much I can guarantee | 22:31 |
| yofel | *your | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | and since it's a SSD I have not that much data here | 22:31 |
| yofel | yeah, backups are essential | 22:31 |
| kklimonda | yay, open for business! | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | hey hey kklimonda | 23:02 |
| yofel | hey kklimonda | 23:02 |
| kklimonda | huh, gnome devs are smoking some really good stuff.. | 23:03 |
| kklimonda | (they are yet again talking about "gnome os" on MLs) | 23:03 |
| kklimonda | so, how is oneiric? stable? | 23:04 |
| * kklimonda is repeating "I will not upgrade before Beta1, I will not upgrade..." | 23:04 | |
| yofel | kubuntu runs fine for me so far, LOL | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: wt heck dude! | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | how can you ASK that?! | 23:05 |
| yofel | it's not like it'll be broken *before* beta1 anyway ^^ | 23:05 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: I haven't really been keeping tabs on Ubuntu in last few weeks, so I don't know what's going on ;) | 23:05 |
| Gulfstream | is it possible to use 'update-manager -d' now or do I still have to modify sources.list? | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | don't think you can | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | you need to sed sources.list for now | 23:07 |
| kklimonda | yeah, it's not going to work till alpha1 release afair | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | but be free to test :P | 23:07 |
| arand | BUGabundo: re. btrfsck, it is a read-only tool, I doubt disabling whould have anything to do with corruption/lockups etc. | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | arand: tell that to my drive | 23:14 |
| arand | I would guess it's just btrfs in general doing it's thang, beein' 'sperimental etc. | 23:15 |
| yofel | well, no corruption here so far, let's see how far I get | 23:15 |
| yofel | wasn't that new btrfsck supposed to be out *really* soon now? ^^ | 23:16 |
| arand | "End of month" according to some.. | 23:16 |
| yofel | odd bug that met me on my eeePC was bug 774217 | 23:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 774217 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "btrfs, core.img too large" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774217 | 23:17 |
| arand | But I guess you can count on it coming out just in time not to make it into oo, that's generally how things go... | 23:17 |
| yofel | well, I would be fine with that | 23:17 |
| arand | I staill can't really fathom why btrfsck was enabled on natty though... I can only assume by unknowing error.. | 23:19 |
| yofel | right, I was wondering why my eeePC booted so slow with btrfs until I installed bootchart which showed fsck.btrfs taking half a minute | 23:20 |
| Gulfstream | btrfs decreases speed? | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | meh | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | I guess ill backup data, upgrade SSD fw | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | and clean install on ext4 | 23:23 |
| arand | btrfsck is a klunky unfinished tool which was never meant to be run on boot.. | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | its not on boot LOL | 23:24 |
| arand | I was referring to the boot speed thing.. | 23:24 |
| yofel_ | other than btrfsck the speed is ~ok on an SSD, as long as you don't try to use discard | 23:25 |
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| arand | But yeah in some points btrfs itself is still quite unoptimised.. | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | APT is *very* *very* slow :( | 23:28 |
| arand | Yea that as well.. | 23:29 |
| jtaylor | use eatmydata :) | 23:29 |
| yofel | for me only with discard enabled, there every fsync call took over a second, without it's usable | 23:29 |
| arand | Was just sbout to suggest that :) | 23:29 |
| yofel | I'm using zlib compression here btw | 23:29 |
| arand | Woa, uds is noticable, only 13 package upgrades.. | 23:32 |
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