[02:14] Good evening! we are back already... :-) [03:08] does anybody know when the daily and daily-live iso's will be out for oneiric [03:18] cpatrick008: usually not until just before alpha1 [03:23] ok [04:01] hey guys === head_v is now known as head_victim [04:55] are daily images of oneiric availible as yet? [05:44] anybody using gnome 3 / gnome shell ? === repete is now known as repete-bbl [13:23] good afternoon [13:24] if i can't run unity cause blacklisted hardware (natty and maybe 11.10) do you think gnome3 + shell can run ? === repete-bbl is now known as repete === sony is now known as Guest16804 [14:39] any indication of when daily images will start for oneiric... I'm guessing a week or two after UDS...? [14:56] sagaci, daily images of what? [14:58] CardinalFang: err, snapshot releases.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [14:58] i assumed they started a bit before alpha 1 === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:48] WOOT! [19:48] Time to break 11.10 [20:02] <__mikem> lolwut [20:18] isn't oneiric ocelet 11.10? [20:22] Yes [20:42] is there a place to read a short overview of what the main goals are for O? [20:44] jo-erlend: Wait a few days for stuff to settle down from UDS and there will be something [20:45] oh, I haven't paid attention this time... I've been moving house, so things have been rather chaotic. It's just finished? [20:47] jo-erlend: it's this week, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-13/ is what's left for tmorrow [20:48] oh... hehe, then it's a little bit early to ask for conclusions. :) [22:26] evening [22:26] YAY [22:26] +1 is open [22:27] wb BUGabundo ^^ [22:27] so what's new? [22:27] just heard about WM change [22:28] BTRFS is terribly broken [22:28] so AVOID using it [22:28] really? I'm on btrfs right now [22:28] without btrfs tools system locks up, corrupts etc [22:28] with it, every boot is being checked [22:28] and terribly slow booting [22:28] I deleted the fsck.btrfs, didn't break anything so far [22:28] do people usually run the development ubuntu in a vm I guess [22:28] semitones: not all of us [22:29] semitones: most people do, I on hardware [22:29] I've been running bare metal since 7.04 [22:29] cool [22:30] i thought it might endanger the disks or something [22:30] btrfs with compression is cool, but I trashed some VMs before I figured out how to revert a root snapshot [22:30] semitones: in a VM certainly not [22:31] semitones: data lost IS real [22:31] I tend to do every two weeks a snapshot to another disk [22:31] well, you VM *will* break at some point, that much I can guarantee [22:31] *your [22:31] and since it's a SSD I have not that much data here [22:31] yeah, backups are essential [23:01] yay, open for business! [23:02] hey hey kklimonda [23:02] hey kklimonda [23:03] huh, gnome devs are smoking some really good stuff.. [23:03] (they are yet again talking about "gnome os" on MLs) [23:04] so, how is oneiric? stable? [23:04] * kklimonda is repeating "I will not upgrade before Beta1, I will not upgrade..." [23:04] kubuntu runs fine for me so far, LOL [23:04] kklimonda: wt heck dude! [23:05] how can you ASK that?! [23:05] it's not like it'll be broken *before* beta1 anyway ^^ [23:05] BUGabundo: I haven't really been keeping tabs on Ubuntu in last few weeks, so I don't know what's going on ;) [23:06] is it possible to use 'update-manager -d' now or do I still have to modify sources.list? [23:07] don't think you can [23:07] you need to sed sources.list for now [23:07] yeah, it's not going to work till alpha1 release afair [23:07] but be free to test :P [23:14] BUGabundo: re. btrfsck, it is a read-only tool, I doubt disabling whould have anything to do with corruption/lockups etc. [23:14] arand: tell that to my drive [23:15] I would guess it's just btrfs in general doing it's thang, beein' 'sperimental etc. [23:15] well, no corruption here so far, let's see how far I get [23:16] wasn't that new btrfsck supposed to be out *really* soon now? ^^ [23:16] "End of month" according to some.. [23:17] odd bug that met me on my eeePC was bug 774217 [23:17] Launchpad bug 774217 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "btrfs, core.img too large" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774217 [23:17] But I guess you can count on it coming out just in time not to make it into oo, that's generally how things go... [23:17] well, I would be fine with that [23:19] I staill can't really fathom why btrfsck was enabled on natty though... I can only assume by unknowing error.. [23:20] right, I was wondering why my eeePC booted so slow with btrfs until I installed bootchart which showed fsck.btrfs taking half a minute [23:22] btrfs decreases speed? [23:23] meh [23:23] I guess ill backup data, upgrade SSD fw [23:23] and clean install on ext4 [23:23] btrfsck is a klunky unfinished tool which was never meant to be run on boot.. [23:24] its not on boot LOL [23:24] I was referring to the boot speed thing.. [23:25] other than btrfsck the speed is ~ok on an SSD, as long as you don't try to use discard === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:25] But yeah in some points btrfs itself is still quite unoptimised.. [23:28] APT is *very* *very* slow :( [23:29] Yea that as well.. [23:29] use eatmydata :) [23:29] for me only with discard enabled, there every fsync call took over a second, without it's usable [23:29] Was just sbout to suggest that :) [23:29] I'm using zlib compression here btw [23:32] Woa, uds is noticable, only 13 package upgrades..