[14:12] <Pendulum> so did all of the documentation/outreach stuff just kinda get dropped from UDS?
[14:13] <Pendulum> (sorry, vaguely online now, but not really here, just looking at the session notes from Tuesday finally)
[14:13] <Cheri703> we did talk about outreach a bit...
[14:13] <Cheri703> (also, glad you traveled safely :) )
[14:14] <Pendulum> okay, just no notes on the etherpad...
[14:14] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum 
[14:14]  * Cheri703 was taking notes, did a crappy job, sorry
[14:14] <AlanBell> Pendulum: there is audio too
[14:14] <Pendulum> or very little
[14:14] <AlanBell> http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[14:14] <Pendulum> AlanBell: bad auditory processing so listening without the discussion won't help me :-/
[14:15] <Pendulum> Cheri703: no worries!
[14:15] <Cheri703> Pendulum: there weren't necessarily specifics about it, just "we should probably do more outreach" I think
[14:15] <Pendulum> I guess the documentation/outreach stuff that was on the etherpad from our last meeting just never made it onto the UDS etherpad :-/
[14:15] <Pendulum> (so didn't get discussed)
[14:16] <Cheri703> well, I think some of the testing classes charlie-tca and I were talking about would be outreach at least to a degree
[14:16] <Pendulum> yes
[14:16] <Pendulum> true
[14:16] <Pendulum> I was mostly thinking personas and that side of stuff
[14:16] <Cheri703> yeah, we didn't talk much about that
[14:17] <Pendulum> and the fact that we need to look at what documentation needs updating/overhauling/to be created
[14:18] <Cheri703> we did talk about creating a document that would explain exactly what accessibility things exist and how they fit together (I think that was in the meeting you're talking about)
[14:26] <UndiFineD> but there has been done a lot of outreach onto various sessions regarding a11y and docu
[14:26] <Pendulum> cool :)
[14:26] <UndiFineD> where appropiate I dropped achecker.ca
[14:27] <UndiFineD> so they themselves can test for it
[14:27] <UndiFineD> which is better then no attention to it at all
[15:12] <fregl> feedback appreciated: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/ATK2011/Agenda/EnablingAccessibilityProposal
[15:13] <fregl> maco: ^
[15:15] <maco> fregl: i don't know anything about dbus, but in #kde-accessibility someone wondered whether the reason QT_ACCESSIBILITY had to be set first is that the widgets have to be created post-ATK-startup.. not the case?
[15:15] <fregl> right, I can also post in kde-accessibility ... too many channels :p
[15:15] <fregl> widgets created post atk startup?
[15:15] <fregl> I don't understand
 jpwhiting: dbus signal would work, but I wonder if the qt-bridge assumes its loaded at the start of execution
 ah, as in it only creates accessible objects for widgets as they are created? maybe
 but maybe not, it seems to work right on windows where a signal turns on accessibility (I think from fregl's email)
 jpwhiting: yeah, its cetainly a possibility, I just mean that it might take some work on the bridge to make it work
[15:16] <fregl> well, if I am going to implement this inside Qt, then it's going to work (I hope at least :p)
[15:16] <fregl> no, I can create everything at any time, it just needs a bit of work. but that is required no matter what
[15:17] <maco> cool