[08:04] <thorwil> godbyk: hi! are you aware of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo ?
[10:31] <thorwil> godbyk: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo/
[18:19] <godbyk> thorwil: Ah, no. I haven't been to any of the UDS sessions this time around.  (Time zone issues and work getting in the way.)
[18:19] <godbyk> thorwil: I'll definitely read through the notes and listen to the audio recordings when they're available, though.
[18:19] <godbyk> There were a couple other Ubuntu docs sessions as well.
[18:19] <godbyk> And some usability/design sessions.
[18:31] <thorwil> godbyk: i listened to a bit of that session ... don't think we missed much, but the planned announcement, having something to look at might become interesting
[18:49] <godbyk> yeah, definitely.
[18:50] <godbyk> thorwil: while I've got you here, do you have any suggestions for a good color to use for the linkx in the manual?
[18:50] <godbyk> It was this brick red color, but that doesn't fit the Ubuntu color scheme.
[18:50] <godbyk> And their identity documentation lists a bunch of different colors (they disagree with themselves a lot, it seems).
[18:51] <godbyk> I need something that's noticeable on screen (so you can tell it's a link), but when printed in greyscale is still readable and doesn't stand out too much from the black text around it.
[18:51] <godbyk> (Not asking for much, am I? ;-))
[18:53] <thorwil> godbyk: well, dark red or perhaps aubergine (if you're that concerned with staying close to the visual id)?
[18:53] <godbyk> I think I tried an aubergine.  I'll have to look up their suggestions for print colors again, I guess.
[18:53] <thorwil> (i don't think a dark red has to be a problem, even in direct vicinity of that orange
[18:54] <thorwil> )
[18:54] <godbyk> (Last I left my tests in the maverick repository, it was set to some light orange.  And it's too light.)
[18:55] <godbyk> The brick red color we've been using is just one that I had handy from another project. It isn't based on any sort of color theory or the Ubuntu palette.  If they have a dark red in their palette still, we could give that a shot.
[18:55] <thorwil> yeah, any orange is bound to be on the light side, as in the other direction, you either go red or brown (greenish mold slime dirt yuck colored)
[18:56] <godbyk> heh
[18:56] <godbyk> I've never had browns print well.
[18:56] <thorwil> godbyk: do you have the code for the orange at hand?
[18:57] <godbyk> Yeah, let me find it for ya.
[18:57] <godbyk> Looks like the "Ubuntu orange" that I have in the document style is #DD4814.
[18:59] <godbyk> I also have a few different aubergines.  Not sure where I got them all:
[18:59] <godbyk> %\definecolor{UbuntuAubergine}{HTML}{772953}% aubergine (from design.canonical.com heading)
[18:59] <godbyk> %\definecolor{UbuntuAubergine}{HTML}{1A0512}% aubergine (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=boot.png)
[18:59] <godbyk> %\definecolor{UbuntuAubergine}{HTML}{6e154c}% aubergine
[18:59] <godbyk> %\definecolor{UbuntuAubergine}{HTML}{4c0d34}% aubergine
[18:59] <godbyk> %\definecolor{UbuntuAubergine}{HTML}{991a68}% aubergine
[18:59] <thorwil> godbyk: you could try 82230b or 621209
[19:01] <thorwil> godbyk: basically start from the orange, use HSL mode, reduce lightness, shift hue just slightly red-wards the lower you go
[19:02] <thorwil> and no need to obsess over the last degree, as you control over the output hardware, which will vary wildly and often suck, anyway :)
[19:02] <thorwil> * have no control *, even
[19:02] <godbyk> that's certainly true. :)
[19:03] <godbyk> Here's how the 82230b looks: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/thorwil-color-1.pdf
[19:03] <godbyk> (kind of muddy, I think.)
[19:03] <godbyk> building and uploading the second one now.
[19:04] <godbyk> second one is up: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/thorwil-color-2.pdf
[19:05] <thorwil> second looks better, but a bit subtle
[19:05] <thorwil> godbyk: try a7260eff
[19:08] <godbyk> uploaded: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/thorwil-color-3.pdf
[19:09] <godbyk> How the color appears in print should be a secondary concern to how it appears on screen.
[19:09] <thorwil> looks acceptable to me
[19:09] <godbyk> (I mean, we do generate a black-and-white print edition just for printing.)
[19:09] <godbyk> I think it looks good on screen.
[19:10] <godbyk> And I just printed a page on my laser printer and it's readable there, too.
[19:10] <thorwil> fine :)
[19:10] <godbyk> done and done! :)
[19:10] <godbyk> thanks for your help, thorwil.
[19:11] <thorwil> that was nothing :)
[19:11] <godbyk> you were just throwing out random numbers, weren't you!
[19:11] <thorwil> pssst, that's the secret of all my work!
[19:11] <godbyk> I knew it!