[01:40] <hcfd> Anyone interested in helping me hack/socially engineer a competition?
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[01:42] <hcfd> 1 more?
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[06:35] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:40] <knightwise> hello AlanBell
[06:40] <knightwise> how are you this mornin
[06:43] <AlanBell> head hurts
[06:44] <AlanBell> extended business meeting at waxy o'connors
[07:01] <ging> any meeting this early would need to provide awsome breakfast
[07:23] <ali1234> hmm... awesome breakfast
[07:28] <AlanBell> heh, no, not at a meeting now, it was last night
[08:00]  * AlanBell files bug 781509
[08:00] <AlanBell> if someone could confirm that would be great
[08:15] <DJones> AlanBell: Looks like its been confirmed and changed to an Invalid status
[08:22]  * AlanBell files bug against sense of humour of the web content team
[08:23] <AlanBell> oh actually maybe not, marked invalid in ubuntu-website and new in ubuntu-website-content
[08:23] <ali1234> i'd say their sense of humour is working ok
[08:33] <DJones> Stupid Win 7 UAC, without switching it off there doesn't seem to be a way of telling the system to always allow an app to run without clicking yes every time
[08:34] <JamesTait> Mornin' all.
[08:34] <DJones> Hi JamesTait
[09:12] <daubers> Morning
[09:13] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:14] <dogmatic69> what is the best way to ssh into a load balanced cluster
[09:15] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: you would probably ssh into one machine at a time
[09:15] <dogmatic69> :(
[09:15] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: why the sad face?
[09:15] <dogmatic69> well there is no static ip for it
[09:16] <dogmatic69> s/it/the machines
[09:16] <dogmatic69> so that means logging into aws each time to get the public dns
[09:16] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: dyndns?
[09:16] <dogmatic69> no pretty .ssh/config
[09:17] <dogmatic69> dont know if that is the correct solution
[09:17] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: it probably isn't, but it would allow you to have a hostname which always reflects the IP address on a single interface of a particular machine
[09:18] <dogmatic69> ye
[09:18] <dwatkins> there should be simpler ways, like having the hostname of each individual part of the cluster
[09:18] <dwatkins> What's aws? Is that the cluster management system? Are the actual machines in a subnet of their own?
[09:18] <dogmatic69> the thing is aws changes the public dns and pvt ip every reboot
[09:18]  * dwatkins has used Platform and SGI's cluster managers
[09:18] <dogmatic69> amazon web services
[09:19] <dwatkins> ahh
[09:19] <dwatkins> do they have any documentation on this?\
[09:19] <dwatkins> someone else must have asked the same question
[09:19] <dogmatic69> loads of unanswered questions in the help
[09:19] <dwatkins> time to e-mail support
[09:20] <dogmatic69> £100 per minute or something silly :P
[09:20] <dwatkins> charging for e-mail support would be insane
[09:20] <dogmatic69> either you have no support, or you have paid support it seems
[09:24] <dwatkins> ah
[09:27] <oimon> why do u need to reboot :P
[09:27]  * oimon checks the uptime on his servers
[09:27] <dogmatic69> ?
[09:28] <oimon> dogmatic69: just wondering why you would reboot a server
[09:28] <dogmatic69> kernel updates?
[09:28] <dogmatic69> replacing ram
[09:29] <BigRedS> fscks
[09:29] <dogmatic69> kernel panic
[09:29] <dogmatic69> running m$ server
[09:30] <oimon> if they are public facing then kernel security updates, yep (unless you want to use ksplice), but it's still not that regular
[09:31] <oimon> a lot of my internal servers haven't seen a reboot in a long time
[09:31] <BigRedS> I've spoken to people with failover clusters who want nodes rebooted regularly to check that a) failover works and b) they come back up again
[09:32] <BigRedS> where regularly measn "to a pattern" rather than "frequently"
[09:32] <oimon> ok
[09:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:46] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[09:46] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hi kids
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:47] <bigcalm> New uupc ep is out incase anybody missed it
[09:49] <oimon> hmm receiving email from a legit company who are using 169.254.x.x on their exchange servers
[09:49] <jpds> oimon: Cool.
[09:50] <oimon> the receipient wondered why spamassassin didn't like the mails
[09:50] <oimon> i wonder how we ever received them in the first place
[10:08] <diplo> Morning all, I know a few of your are web devs. Anyone got a tool or way of grabbing all id's and class's from a project
[10:09] <diplo> Basically got a huge amount of legacy CSS that I don't want to pick through line by line and remove old crud
[10:09] <dutchie> regular expressions :)
[10:09] <dutchie> "now you have two problems"
[10:09] <diplo> heh, already got a page open on reg exp
[10:10] <diplo> It's not my strong point
[10:10] <diplo> :)
[10:10] <diplo> That's why I put it out here to see if anyone knew of app that already did it :)
[10:10] <_serial_> there are some pretty good videos on youtube for regexp
[10:11] <ali1234> so you want a list of all classes/id defined in the html, and a list of all the classes/ids in the css, and then compute what's in css but not html?
[10:12] <popey> morning all
[10:13] <diplo> That would be great ali1234 but I'd be happy with just getting the classes/id's out of the PHP/html code
[10:13] <ali1234> well is it php or html?
[10:13] <ali1234> if its php you have pretty much no chance
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:14] <diplo> php pages with html code inside, use a framework called codeigniter
[10:17] <ali1234> diplo: i think you'll have to resort to grep -R class * or similar
[10:18] <ali1234> if it's php
[10:22] <diplo> heh, I was thinking that
[10:22] <diplo> Good thing is once it's done all the codes the same
[10:23] <diplo> Basically 2-3 other people created some code and used a lot of old CSS and left it in there, this new template has same ID's classes etc everywhere so makes life easier for design
[10:23] <diplo> Just nobody documented anything
[10:23] <diplo> :/
[10:32] <kazade> morning peeps
[10:32] <popey> lo
[10:33] <brobostigon> monring kazade
[10:33] <kazade> popey, just listened to uupc, great show as usual :)
[10:34] <oimon> i watched a bit of the live stream on my phone during ad-break in a tv programme - video was good, audio a bit quiet - might try installing the android ustream app next time
[10:35] <popey> thanks kazade
[10:35] <popey> Yeah, not sure if/when we'll do video again
[10:36] <popey> we only really did it because I happened to be at home that day so could set it up, and I have decent internet at Studio B, tony has rubbish internet at Studio A.
[10:37] <BigRedS> That did confuse me - the audio on ustream seemed much more variable in volume than the audio stream
[10:37] <oimon> tbh i only get to listen to the show on the train - i never watch live streams of stuff normally
[10:38]  * oimon is grappling with flexlm issues today :(
[10:38] <popey> the ustream audio was just from the mic on the webcam
[10:38] <popey> the audio stream came direct from the mixer
[10:38] <popey> I suspect if we did it again we'd take the audio from the mixer to ustream too
[10:39] <BigRedS> ahh
[10:44] <bigcalm> The Google webfonts API is really handy. Does anybody know if you can do the same with your own fonts not listed by google?
[10:45] <dutchie> yeah, should be
[10:45] <dutchie> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/
[10:45] <bigcalm> Aha, http://www.css3.info/preview/web-fonts-with-font-face/
[11:10] <Mez> Hmm... we've been sent a memo telling us "Computers, pedestals and desks are not to be used to store food of any nature or the remnants of partially or fully consumed food."
[11:10] <Mez> Why can't we store food in our computers? It keeps the food warm
[11:10] <oimon> my colleague found a dead mouse in a server once
[11:10] <dogmatic69> clearly you need to invest in cooling.. my food would be chilled :)
[11:11] <Mez> oimon: was someone planning to eat it?
[11:11] <oimon> my desks are full of food
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> My hovercraft is full of eels
[11:11] <oimon> easter eggs drawer1 , sweets and crisps drawer 2
[11:12] <Mez> we're allowed "snacks" (in the form of crisps, chocolate, and sweets)
[11:12] <Mez> bananas = NSFW
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> ...
[11:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: :D
[11:13] <TheAshMan> Morning
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also fun: http://www.omniglot.com/language/idioms/flyingpigs.php
[11:14] <TheAshMan> how do i setup a folder that is writeable to everyone in a specific group?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: mkdir some_directory
[11:14] <brobostigon> any other security recommendations, for my vps, ontop of things like a properly setup firewall, and denyhosts.?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: chmod gu+w some_directory
[11:14] <bigcalm> TheAshMan: chown user:group directory
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: chgrp group directory
[11:15] <BigRedS> brobostigon: tripwire or similar?
[11:15] <brobostigon> !info tripwaire
[11:15] <brobostigon> !info tripwire
[11:15] <BigRedS> maybe a chkrootkit/rkhunter 'clean' db and scheduled test
[11:16] <brobostigon> BigRedS: thank you,
[11:17] <BigRedS> also, there's a bastion or something package, that suggests changes to enhance security, and goes off and does them if you ask it to
[11:17] <brobostigon> let me look thatup.
[11:18] <BigRedS> bastille
[11:18] <BigRedS> provides InteractiveBastille which does the question asking
[11:19] <BigRedS> also, debians come with several services you probably don't want, I suspect Ubuntu does too
[11:19] <TheAshMan> MartijnVdS: Thanks, but my user still can't write to that folder
[11:20] <TheAshMan> I've added myself to the new group
[11:20] <oimon> btw re:food in drawers - if you have mice, that's good - it means you don't have rats
[11:20] <BigRedS> things like telnetd
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: you need to log out and back in if you change groups you're in
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> (or they won't stick)
[11:20] <TheAshMan> ahhhhh
[11:20]  * TheAshMan facepalms
[11:20] <BigRedS> remove stuff that lets any successful attacker build stuff against the kernel (make, gcc, kernel headers)
[11:20] <BigRedS> and disallow outbount HTTP for similar reasons if you like
[11:21] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i did  that, when i setup iptables
[11:21] <BigRedS> if you really want you can make tmps noexec, but nearly all Bad Things seem to be written in Perl now, which gets around that
[11:22] <BigRedS> In fact, Debian used to have a reasonable article on securing Debian
[11:22] <BigRedS> but the last time I saw it it didn't appear to have changed since about etch
[11:22] <brobostigon> i see, hmm.
[11:23] <BigRedS> Also, I like unattended-upgrades, but many people don't
[11:24] <brobostigon> so that automticllyupgrades packages,without myintervention.
[11:26] <brobostigon> why is tripwire, trying to install exim?
[11:28] <BigRedS> yeah, but you can blacklist packages. Mysql-server, for example, tends to prefer manual installation
[11:28] <BigRedS> I've no idea - I've only installed it once or twice, but that'll have been on postfix machines where it was quite happy
[11:28] <BigRedS> under Debian, though. Not sure if it's packaged differently for Ubuntu
[11:28] <BigRedS> (but I thought Ubuntu's default mta was postfix anyway?)
[11:29] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: lsb-invalid-mta - Linux Standard Base sendmail dummy
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[11:31] <bigcalm> Eh?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS:
[11:31] <bigcalm> :)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: big<tab> fial
[11:32] <TheAshMan> Erm, i seem to have removed myself from being a sudoer
[11:32] <TheAshMan> How do i put myself back?
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: did you visudo? or remove yourself from the admin group?
[11:33] <TheAshMan> ahh, dammit, i think i removed myself from the admin group
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> don't do that :)
[11:33] <TheAshMan> orly? :P
[11:33] <TheAshMan> How do I add myself back in?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: do you still have a root shell open somewhere? or the user editor?
[11:33] <TheAshMan> nope
[11:33] <TheAshMan> I'm screwed?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> No
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> but it'll be harder to fix
[11:33] <ali1234> boot single user mode or use livecd to chroot
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: Restart the machine in "rescue mode", tell it you want a shell (you'll get a menu)
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: then type: adduser yourusername admin
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: then "logout" and everything should work again
[11:34] <ali1234> um
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: m?
[11:35] <ali1234> that's gpasswd -A yourusername admin
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: not if you're not in the gui
[11:35] <ali1234> what gui?
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> gpasswd sounds like a GTK app
[11:35] <ali1234> it's not
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> adduser username groupname is The Way® afaik
[11:35] <ali1234> it's group passwd
[11:35] <TheAshMan> is it adduser and not useradd?
[11:35] <ali1234> it's neither
[11:36] <ali1234> it's gpasswd
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: IT IS
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: check the manual.
[11:36] <MartijnVdS>        adduser [options] user group
[11:36] <TheAshMan> you can use either by the looks of it
[11:36] <ali1234> adduser, addgroup - add a user or group to the system
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, and 3 lines later you'll see what I pasted
[11:38] <ali1234> hmm
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> it's also the recommended way in package maintenance scripts (postinst, etc.) afaik
[11:39] <ali1234> ah, adduser is a crazy debian perl script
[11:39] <ali1234> debian sure loves their perl scripts
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> ♥ Perl
[11:39] <ali1234> it just calls gpasswd inside
[11:40] <ali1234> &systemcall($gpasswd, '-a',$existing_user,$existing_group);
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> ah
[11:40] <popey> haha
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: So we're BOTH RIGHT
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[11:40] <popey> crazy + perl = debian
[11:40] <ali1234> indeed
[11:41] <czajkowski> is there any way to find out if a person has an Amazon wish list page
[11:42] <czajkowski> without asking them
[11:42] <ali1234> do you know their amazon username?
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you can search by email address or name I think
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/search.html/?type=wishlist
[11:43] <popey> It's okay czajkowski I'll save you the trouble http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/29FWHGD2GAECA
[11:43] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[11:43] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: aye trying name
[11:47] <selinuxium> hi all   o/
[11:47] <daubers> My amazon wishlist just contains the phrase "I wish amazon didn't use city link"
[11:52] <BigRedS> Haha
[11:52] <popey> I dont recall getting anything from city link from amazon
[11:52] <popey> mind you I get most of my stuff sent to work now, and collect from the post room :)
[11:52] <BigRedS> I did email someone (firebox I think) requesting that I be removed from their 'offers' mailing list until they stopped using City Link, at which point they were free to put me back on
[11:52] <gord> i wish they didn't use royal mail :(
[11:52] <bigcalm> I haven't seen a citylink van around here for a long time
[11:53] <oimon> i don't understand the problem
[11:53] <BigRedS> We get a city link van almost every morning, one of our suppliers uses them with good success
[11:53] <oimon> never have stuff fail to arrive
[11:54] <oimon> although someone dropped our new printers down the steps the other day
[11:54] <BigRedS> hah, oops
[11:54] <oimon> claimed not to speak english when i challenged him
[11:54] <oimon> to be fair , he probably didn't speak english
[11:54] <oimon> ubuntu one seems quite broken still :(
[11:55] <daubers> popey: I've never recieved anything sent by Amazon through city link :)
[11:55] <daubers> They've sent half a dozen things through them, just never arrived in my hands
[11:56] <oimon> I also have a guantanamo watch: http://i.imgur.com/xfq2W.jpg
[11:56] <popey> yay
[11:56] <gord> oh right, i was out of town for a week and a half, time for steam to re-download half my games because there were updates
[11:56] <popey> GITMO TIME!
[11:57] <czajkowski> gord: welcome back
[11:57] <oimon> popey: i don't plan on going to the US so it's no problem :D
[11:57] <gord> czajkowski, thanks :)
[11:58] <oimon> have't been on a plane for ~ 5 years
[11:58] <gord> time to charge the keyboard. what a crazy world we live in
[11:58] <selinuxium> Hi peeps, how would you reset what used to be gnome-panel... the Envelope icon is stuck down...
[11:58] <selinuxium> used to pkill gnome-panel to refresh it from time to time..
[11:59] <gord> selinuxium, just alt+f2 then type unity
[11:59] <selinuxium> gord, Cheers! :)
[12:00] <czajkowski> gord: so how come you only had a half a week at uds
[12:00] <czajkowski> slacker
[12:00] <gord> i think canonical is starting to realise that killing the dx team is not advantagous in the long run ;)
[12:01] <selinuxium> does anyone want to see my bands video? including me doing a Charleston dance to some metal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7vPfGpkDE8
[12:07] <millo> hi
[12:07] <selinuxium> hi millo
[12:08] <millo> since I've upgraded to 11.04 I've been having weird problems with the WIFI.  I'm pretty new to ubuntu - 1-2 months, but I'm completely stumped on this.  Is the right/best place to ask for help?
[12:08] <selinuxium> millo, here and if anyone can help they will and #ubuntu
[12:08] <millo> awesome
[12:09] <millo> in a nutshell - I can see the list of networks in Network Manager.  I can select it, but it just tries to connect (little wifi connecting icon is animating), then after about 2 minutes I just get the error message "Wireless Network Disconnected"
[12:10] <millo> I've checked WPA Personal password many times - defo right one, and it just happened randomly.
[12:10] <BigRedS> millo: try sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
[12:10] <millo> Night before it was working, now it's not (this was about a week ago, first chance I've had to connect using ethernet)
[12:10] <BigRedS> I find that about nine times in ten that fixes that
[12:10] <millo> ok, sec
[12:10] <oimon> popey:  something i didn't notice before: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060630/060630_binLaden_vmed.widec.jpg guess who's wearing the watch?
[12:11] <ali1234> brix
[12:11] <selinuxium> millo also check to see if any bugs have been raised against your WiFi card..
[12:12] <BigRedS> selinuxium: "my bands video" = "someone videod us at the barfly" ? :)
[12:12] <millo> that's one of my problems, sounds really stupid - I can't figure out what my wifi card is - I've looked around, but I can't seem to find it anywhere
[12:12] <millo> I'm using Toshiba Satellite A-500
[12:12] <selinuxium> Anybody here been playing Angry Birds in Chrome Browser... :) It is cool!
[12:12] <BigRedS> it crashed my firefox :(
[12:12] <millo> and, that NM restart didn't work - still not connecting
[12:13] <selinuxium> BigRedS, fine in Chrome..
[12:13] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm not enthused enough by the game to start up chrome to play it there :)
[12:13] <selinuxium> millo in a terminal type   lspci    Can you see your wireless card therE?
[12:13] <BigRedS> millo: if you run    lspci    in a terminal, it'll list a bunch of your hardware
[12:13] <BigRedS> including a wireless chipset
[12:14] <selinuxium> BigRedS, Beat ya!
[12:14] <BigRedS> haha, you distracted me with that chrome comment! :)
[12:15] <millo> just restarted lappy as well - still not connecting via wifi
[12:15] <selinuxium> BigRedS, was a fun gig at the Barfly... :)
[12:16] <BigRedS> mm, It's one of the things I miss about not being in London any more, I used to live ~5mins from Camden
[12:16] <selinuxium> Camden = FUN x 1000
[12:16] <selinuxium> I do like it there..
[12:16] <BigRedS> though, if I'm honest, I did end up getting a bit bored of live music :) When it's on your doorstep, and *every night* there's someone wanting to borrow some floor post gig, so you inevitably go to the gig...
[12:16] <selinuxium> lol
[12:17] <selinuxium> Us musicians are a romany bunch...
[12:19] <millo> is there anything else I can try?  my only option I can think of is to format, and I've already had to do that twice since I started using Ubuntu - would rather avoid it if possible..
[12:21] <selinuxium> have you done an   lspci?
[12:22] <millo> erm... i'll say no - as I'm VERY new to anything ubuntu/linuxy...
[12:22] <millo> I take it I just type sudo lspci in terminal?
[12:22] <selinuxium> no need for sudo..
[12:22] <selinuxium> :)
[12:22] <millo> cool, one moment - thanks btw - I really appreciate the help, I've browsed so many different forum threads on iphone and got nowhere - this was pretty much last resort
[12:24] <millo> 14:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
[12:24] <millo> is that what I'd be looking for?
[12:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] UK OpenERP Partner Community - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/12/uk-openerp-partner-community/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uk-openerp-partner-community
[12:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] QA Community Coordinator: Inquire Within - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/12/qa-community-coordinator-inquire-within/
[12:25] <millo> also - whenever I try to download stuff with update manager - it comes up with errors regards to "check internet connection"
[12:31] <millo> just done a google search for RTL8191SEvB +ubuntu and a thread mentioned something regarding WEP acceleration???
[12:31] <millo> bare in mind I've never had a problem with wifi - then I just turned on laptop one evening and it's not connected since.
[12:32] <millo> (sorry - i know it must be irritating for people to come on with these random problems and seem clueless)
[12:33] <awilkins> I found the straw that broke the back of Unity for me...
[12:34] <awilkins> Whenever you switch workspaces, Eclipse locks your edit windows.
[12:34] <ali1234> what does that mean?
[12:34] <awilkins> I'm not saying it's a Unity issue. But GNOME doesn't do it (except occasionally when the screensaver kicks in). So GNOME it is....
[12:35] <awilkins> The Java editor goes into read-only mode - the tab greys out, you can't edit the content.
[12:35] <ali1234> why does it do that?
[12:36] <ali1234> i mean is there any situation where you want it to do that?
[12:36] <awilkins> ali1234, When your file is read-only, I suppose, and you don't want the appearance of editing it
[12:37] <ali1234> but changing workspace can't make file read only
[12:37] <awilkins> I know this... neither does the screensaver kicking in
[12:37] <ali1234> i'm so glad i don't have to use eclipse
[12:37] <awilkins> So obv. a bug with how Eclipse interacts with the desktop or X or something
[12:37] <awilkins> Or GTK
[12:38] <awilkins> But since I can't stop using Eclipse, I have stopped using Unity (at least for Java development...)
[12:41] <daubers> awilkins, I can't reproduce that... got some steps?
[12:43] <daubers> awilkins, However...... I have known eclipse to stop you being able to type in a window at random points in the past. Used to have to go into terminal or gedit or somesuch and type in some grabage, go back to eclipse and all would be well
[12:47] <TheAshMan> daubers: lol!!! City-Link 4tl
[13:00] <selinuxium> MiLLo, Sorry, been running around... .
[13:01] <awilkins> daubers, I was able to reproduce it by having the Eclipse window on the bottom-right workspace, and moving to another workspace (containing an rdesktop instance) using the ctrl-alt-UP / DOWN combo
[13:01] <MiLLo> no problem - I've now managed to break my cursor
[13:01] <MiLLo> it's not working.
[13:01] <selinuxium> can you not wire the laptop in to get updates in case a fix is already available? I will check the other stuff.
[13:02] <MiLLo> I swear I'm normally considered one of the best around on computers in my social circle..
[13:02] <MiLLo> I have done.  but it's saying unable to get updates - no internet connection
[13:02] <MiLLo> which is blatantly wrong..
[13:03] <selinuxium> Right click the connection icon and check the connection info..
[13:03] <selinuxium> MiLLo, ^^
[13:03] <daubers> awilkins, Can't reproduce it :(
[13:03] <daubers> awilkins, Though I haven't got an rdesktop instance running
[13:03] <MiLLo> erm.. ok, lemme just try get cursor working so i can actually right click on things
[13:04] <selinuxium> k
[13:08] <millo> ok, I've spammed it throughout boot - I can't see any grub menu for me to select anything
[13:09] <Laney> fellas
[13:09] <popey> hello
[13:09] <selinuxium> hiya
[13:09] <brobostigon> hey Laney
[13:10] <selinuxium> millo, ??? Sorry, I have no idea what you are up to know.. How did you lose your cursor?
[13:11] <millo> no idea, I rebooted and cursor now works
[13:11] <millo> :D
[13:11] <selinuxium> ok cool
[13:11] <millo> right now - just trying to get wifi to work
[13:11] <andylockran> hey guys
[13:11] <selinuxium> try   rmmod r8192se_pci
[13:11] <exobuzz> hi
[13:12] <selinuxium> then  modprobe r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[13:12] <andylockran> I could do with some help in diagnosing a network connectivity problem.
[13:12] <selinuxium> millo, ^^^
[13:12] <andylockran> When downloading large files/watching youtube videos.. the connection just stops.
[13:12] <millo> is that in terminal?
[13:12] <selinuxium> andylockran, I have that too...
[13:12] <selinuxium> millo, yup
[13:12] <andylockran> selinuxium: you on VM ?
[13:12] <selinuxium> andylockran, nope
[13:12] <andylockran> I phoned them up - and they came up with silly suggestions like emptying the browser cache.
[13:12] <millo> error
[13:13] <millo> removing is not permitted
[13:13] <selinuxium> sudo
[13:13] <andylockran> When i told him I wasn't using a browser he seemed very confused :d
[13:13] <millo> i take it's its a sudo?
[13:13] <andylockran> (wget)
[13:13] <millo> ok cool
[13:13] <selinuxium> andylockran, didnt realise you could wget a youtube...
[13:13] <andylockran> selinuxium: my boss has suggested running something against a port.
[13:13] <millo> millo@millo:~$ rmmod r8192se_pci
[13:13] <millo> ERROR: Removing 'r8192se_pci': Operation not permitted
[13:13] <millo> millo@millo:~$ sudo rmmod r8192se_pci
[13:13] <millo> [sudo] password for millo:
[13:13] <millo> millo@millo:~$ sudo rmmod r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[13:13] <millo> ERROR: Module r8192se_pci does not exist in /proc/modules
[13:13] <andylockran> selinuxium: wget was in relation to the large files...
[13:13] <millo> ERROR: Module hwwep=0 does not exist in /proc/modules
[13:13] <millo> millo@millo:~$
[13:13] <andylockran> !pastebin | millo
[13:14] <popey> that worked
[13:14] <millo> sorry - new to this
[13:14] <popey> the middle one removed it the third one couldn't because the second one removed it
[13:14] <andylockran> millo: no problem. :)
[13:15] <millo> did that paste? using pastebin?
[13:16] <selinuxium> millo, popey was talking to you... :)
[13:16] <millo> oh.. right :P
[13:16] <selinuxium> it worked..
[13:16] <selinuxium> now try your wifi connection...
[13:16] <millo> there's nothing about wifi in NM
[13:16] <millo> shall I try using the laptop switch?
[13:17] <Laney> popey: can you tell me what precipitated http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/ubuntu-codeofconduct/trunk/revision/14 ?
[13:18] <Laney> 'It applies in all of our interactions with other people'
[13:18] <selinuxium> millo, nope.. Sorry, trying to unravel someone elses thread... the third command wouldn't work because you had removed the module..
[13:18] <millo> sigh..  I can't see any wireless networks in NM now.  I've just tried flicking the WIFI switch on my laptop - no go.
[13:19] <millo> soooo... now what do I do?  I'm open for anything at this point to fix it.
[13:19] <selinuxium> millo, instead of this , can you   sudo /etc/modprobe.d/realtek.conf      then plac ethefolowing in it..    options r8192se_pci hwwep=0
[13:20] <millo> sec
[13:20] <millo> "command not found"
[13:20] <selinuxium> doh.
[13:20] <popey> Laney: interesting isnt it :)
[13:20] <selinuxium> actually...
[13:20] <millo> that a me doh? or a you doh?
[13:20] <selinuxium> me doh!
[13:20] <Laney> you could say 'interesting'
[13:20] <popey> you could.
[13:20] <popey> I would imagine there are other things one could say
[13:21] <Laney> i can think of some other words :-)
[13:21] <selinuxium> gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/realtek.conf
[13:21] <oimon> millo: sudo vi /etc/modprobe.d/realtek.conf
[13:21] <popey> mdz wrote that ammendment
[13:21] <millo> which one - selinuxium or oimon?
[13:21] <oimon> oimon: selinuxium
[13:21] <Laney> the CC maintains the document to which it was merged
[13:21] <selinuxium> oimon, vi may be a bit tricky for millo
[13:21] <Laney> presumably they assent
[13:21] <oimon> selinuxium: yep i agree
[13:22] <millo> ok, sec
[13:22] <popey> Laney: yes
[13:23] <millo> ok it's loaded a text box - so I just copy from "options" to "hwwep=0" and save it?
[13:23] <Laney> haha
[13:23] <Laney> I detect caginess
[13:23] <selinuxium> mill
[13:23] <selinuxium> millo, it should of asked you for your password?
[13:23] <millo> nope?
[13:23] <selinuxium> one mo...
[13:23] <millo> although I still have terminal open from the last time I used sudo
[13:24] <selinuxium> the box is asking for your password..
[13:24] <GreenDance> Hi
[13:24] <selinuxium> millo, ^^
[13:24] <millo> it's just a text editor window?
[13:25] <GreenDance> I've done  a minimal ubuntu install but I have no sound, I've installed xfce4-mixer and unmuted sound and turned it up, but still no sound, can anyone  help thanks.
[13:25] <selinuxium> oh, you must of already been sudoed up
[13:25] <popey> Laney: your cageysense is tingling huh?
[13:25] <millo> yeah, think that's the case
[13:26] <selinuxium> millo, then put      options r8192se_pci hwwep=0    in the text and save
[13:26] <millo> done
[13:26] <Laney> i'm concerned about scope creep is all
[13:26] <popey> I can understand that.
[13:27] <selinuxium> millo, restart PC and hope... :)
[13:27] <millo> :P
[13:27] <popey> we did discuss the "does it apply to me and my friends in the pub"
[13:27] <millo> back in 2 minutes with tears in my eyes.
[13:27] <selinuxium> millo, fingers X'd
[13:27] <millo> from joy or despair.. we'll just have to wait and see :P
[13:28] <GreenDance> i've no sound :(
[13:29] <Laney> hence trying to figure out why the change was made
[13:29] <oimon> GreenDance: i usually check alsamixer if i've got no sound
[13:29] <popey> Laney: grab daniel?
[13:30] <Laney> yep
[13:30] <Laney> sitting next to him ;-)
[13:30] <popey> :)
[13:30] <popey> cuddle him from me please
[13:30] <popey>  _   _ _   ____              _      _
[13:30] <popey> | | | (_) |  _ \  __ _ _ __ (_) ___| |
[13:30] <popey> | |_| | | | | | |/ _` | '_ \| |/ _ \ |
[13:30] <popey> |  _  | | | |_| | (_| | | | | |  __/ |
[13:30] <popey> |_| |_|_| |____/ \__,_|_| |_|_|\___|_|
[13:30] <popey>                                       
[13:30] <oimon> ugh
[13:31] <Laney> message passed
[13:31] <andylockran> selinuxium: I'm trying to troubleshoot our problem..
[13:31] <millo> erm...
[13:31] <millo> :(
[13:31] <millo> not worked
[13:31] <millo> same issue
[13:31] <selinuxium> bum...
[13:32] <millo> click my network, it tries to connect, times out and little box pops up saying "Wireless Network Disconnected"
[13:33] <selinuxium> millo, really sorry, but I have to go and do some work... Hopefully somebody else coudl help you...
[13:33] <millo> no problem selinuxium - appreciate the help
[13:33] <popey> millo: probably best asking in #ubuntu
[13:33] <selinuxium> before I dash, run     sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/realtek.conf  to remove the file we created..
[13:34] <millo> I started to - but then apart from one guy, who went - no one else tried.
[13:34] <millo> ok cool
[13:34] <millo> thanks sel
[13:34] <selinuxium> millo, popey is right... many more people there to help..
[13:34] <selinuxium> millo, sometime you have to try a few times to get some help... not every couple of minutes mind... tends to wind peeps up..
[13:35] <millo> yeah - I can get that :P
[13:35] <selinuxium> millo, good luck! :)
[13:35] <millo> thanks - and thanks for the help!
[13:36] <selinuxium> millo, np. wish I had more time... :)
[13:36] <millo> I think I may be resigned for formatting (again) anyway!
[13:36] <selinuxium> millo, formatting wil not resolve the issue..
[13:36] <iclebyte_work>  if i rebuilt a slave name server, then obviously it has a new rndc.key file - how do I authorize this key on the master nameserver?
[13:37] <millo> had a feeling it wouldn't when I tried to boot from livecd and same issue - I was really hoping it would :P  I'll ask on #ubuntu see what ideas they have.
[13:37] <popey> millo: http://askubuntu.com/ is a good alternative
[13:39] <oimon> +1 askubuntu or ubuntuforums is good cos a hardware specific problem can be helpful for the next guy with the same issue
[13:54] <DJones> Dammed chrome.angrybirds.com Where did my lunch hour go
[14:03] <BigRedS> hm. anyone know of a free alternative to Zend guard?
[14:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Network Problem - http://zrmt.com/2011/05/12/network-problem/
[14:25]  * bigcalm streches
[14:25] <bigcalm> Fell asleep on the sofa again :S
[14:26] <Pendulum> bigcalm: lucky
[14:26] <bigcalm> Pendulum: jet lag?
[14:27] <Pendulum> bigcalm: jet lag, plus insomnia my last night in the UK. So about 6 hours of sleep in the last 55
[14:27] <bigcalm> Poop
[14:28] <czajkowski> bigcalm: cocodmol knocks one out if you're not used to it
[14:28] <Pendulum> czajkowski: it does?
[14:29] <czajkowski> yeah seemingly so
[14:29] <czajkowski> has no effect on me
[14:29] <DJones> czajkowski: Pendulum That knocks my wife out, but doesn't affect me
[14:29] <Pendulum> has no effect on me, either
[14:30] <czajkowski> I take a highish dose
[14:31] <Pendulum> that said, most people say marinol/sativex/cannabis knocks them out and/or makes them high and I don't get either of those effects either
[14:31] <Pendulum> ;-)
[14:39] <bigcalm> czajkowski: haven't taken any today. Maybe yesterday just weakened me
[14:51] <gord> nothing will make me sleep on a plane, nothing.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> gord: Valium, in vast quantities.
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> gord: It will make you sleep on a plane.
[14:54] <DJones> gord: Not even a two hour Microsoft advert on the screen
[14:57] <TheAshMan> ive created a folder with group permissions but nothing in that folder inherits the group writable permission
[14:59] <dogmatic69> reading about using 'ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa' to not have to type the pw all the time, is this a good idea?
[15:00] <BigRedS> it's normally advised that you use passphrases on the keys
[15:00] <BigRedS> but passphraseless key auth is probably still better than just password
[15:00] <dogmatic69> ?
[15:01] <BigRedS> that command is to add a key, for key-based SSH auth
[15:01] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: it is a good idea
[15:01] <BigRedS> rather than password (or 'keyboard-interactive')
[15:01] <AlanBell> BigRedS: you can unlock it for the session
[15:01] <AlanBell> or unlock it every time
[15:02] <dogmatic69> i want to just log in once and then not again till i log out / exit the server
[15:02] <dogmatic69> this is the article i was reading http://bashcurescancer.com/setting_up_ssh_keys_for_access_without_password.html
[15:03] <dogmatic69> my id_rsa has a pw on it
[15:03] <awilkins> dogmatic69, That won't stop you from having to use a password for sudo prompts, etc
[15:03] <dogmatic69> sudo is ok
[15:03] <awilkins> dogmatic69, But it does mean that you can unlock your key once and have as many ssh sessions connect as you like
[15:03] <dogmatic69> its just ssh all the time
[15:04] <awilkins> It's also more secure than password
[15:04] <awilkins> Many ssh cracker bots will just give up if your SSH server is configured to refuse keyboard-interactive auth
[15:04] <dogmatic69> well... i think there is another piece to the puzzle... this is not for my desktop
[15:04] <dogmatic69> i got a dev server that has rsa keys to all sorts of servers
[15:05] <dogmatic69> can only access them from that one dev server
[15:21] <Ng> ok so what's like Synergy, but works?
[15:22] <bigcalm> Works for me
[15:22] <Ng> I keep getting stuck modifiers :/
[15:23] <Ng> and since I live in terminals, having a Ctrl be invisibly stuck when I flick onto another monitor and start typing, can be pretty disasterous :(
[15:39] <andylockran> :)
[15:39] <andylockran> Howdy all.
[15:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings andylockran :)
[15:41] <diplo> andylockran, ref your blog post, you don't run a proxy on your router do you ? We had a similair issue at my last place and it was the proxy breaking the downloads.
[15:47] <MiLLo> hi.. are there any wifi geniuses here?
[15:49] <andylockran> diplo: no I don't - good call though
[15:49] <MiLLo> in a nutshell - I can see the list of networks in Network Manager.  I can select it, but it just tries to connect (little wifi connecting icon is animating), then after about 2 minutes I just get the error message "Wireless Network Disconnected"
[15:50] <andylockran> I've bypassed the router and still get the same problem - but my ISP claim that there are no errors on the connection, and that they're not 'traffic shaping' my connection.
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know what this means in JQuery? $('#'+cont).html(data); (I'm especially interested in the $('#'+cont) bit...
[15:52] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: Just asked my programmer..
[15:52] <kazade> TheOpenSourcerer, document.getElementById('#' + some_variable);
[15:52] <kazade> I think
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah but what does the '#' represent?
[15:52] <kazade> there must be an element on the page with id="#something" I assume
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> # is for any ID.
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> normally you'd do $('#mydiv')
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - Thanks kazade the penny has just dropped I think.
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - cont is a (badly named) variable so the end result is $('#contsmeaning')
[15:58] <kazade> TheOpenSourcerer, yeah, that's what I figured :)
[16:11] <KrisDouglas> Hello everyone, I have a tape drive in one of the old servers here, basically I want to try and rip the contents of this windows backup. The server is currently booting ubuntu and the backup is from server 2k3. I am assuming I can use tar to extract the contents?
[16:16] <daubers> andylockran, Tried using the thing that is the opposite of wireshark to see if it's a packets/second issue on the router?
[16:16] <andylockran> daubers: nope, not heard of that?
[16:17] <daubers> andylockran, Ostinato I think.... instead of watching for packets, it generates them
[16:18] <daubers> andylockran, I reckon my belkin has an issue that causes it to crash when it's buffer is full, as I can replicate it with ostinato and has similar issues to what you describe
[16:18] <andylockran> how daubers ooh, interesting
[16:29] <andylockran> taking a look at ostinato
[16:29] <andylockran> looks annoying :)
[16:36]  * JamesTait kicks the laptop
[16:38] <MiLLo> guys i still need help..  problem is:  I can see the list of networks in Network Manager.  I can select it, but it just tries to connect (little wifi connecting icon is animating), then after about 2 minutes I just get the error message "Wireless Network Disconnected".  note - i never used to have a problem with it - i just turned off laptop one day, turned on the next and it stopped working completely.
[16:51] <czajkowski> danfish: when we doing rugby match and pub again
[16:56] <andylockran> czajkowski: last game of the season Worcs v Pirates :)
[16:56] <andylockran> czajkowski: are you off to the #London7s?
[16:56] <czajkowski> not heard about them
[16:56] <andylockran> next weekend
[16:57] <andylockran> http://www.irbsevens.com/destination/edition=8/index.html
[16:57] <gord> it seems that laptop makers are now using HD to mean screen size, so you get listings that say 15" HD.... stop screwing with our heads!
[16:59] <czajkowski> ahhh welcome back to gord rantings
[16:59] <czajkowski> how I missed theee
[17:01] <gord> its not my fault i'm thick >:(
[17:01] <dutchie> woo, worcs
[17:03] <bigcalm> dutchie: for long?
[17:03] <czajkowski> gord: tea jammy dodgers and cats yeah :)
[17:04] <dutchie> bigcalm: no, just andylockran mentioning the rugby stadium i can hear from home on match days
[17:04]  * danfish wakes up
[17:04] <dutchie> still in ox until beginning of july
[17:04] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:05] <bigcalm> Worcester used to have a really good team
[17:05] <gord> phew, the ebuyer next day delivery expired, now i have an entire weekend to make a decision instead of rushing
[17:05] <danfish> czajkowski: I'll look up some fixtures and see what looks good - can't do the finals as already going to watch :D
[17:06] <danfish> there must be some world cup warm ups happening soon
[17:06] <danfish> sorry - warm-ups (as opposed to a ups that's running hot!)
[17:07] <czajkowski> danfish: something less controversial otherwise TheOpenSourcerer may have another heart attack and sulk
[17:07] <czajkowski> and we need to find a quietish pub that we can book tables
[17:09] <andylockran> what was controversial last time?
[17:09] <andylockran> the silly welsh throw in?
[17:09] <czajkowski> andylockran: England V Ireland
[17:09] <czajkowski> and Ireland thrashing England and TheOpenSourcerer not a happy chappy :)
[17:09] <gord> thinkpad edge is looking pretty tempting, anyone had any experience? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/250005
[17:10] <andylockran> czajkowski: bah, shouldn't have asked :)
[17:10]  * czajkowski grins 
[17:10] <andylockran> czajkowski: Chamionship though?
[17:10] <andylockran> :)
[17:11] <czajkowski> andylockran: not grand slam though, contrary to their add they had done before hand and got leaked
[17:11] <danfish> czajkowski: was TheOpenSourcerer *very* upset?
[17:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nah,
[17:11] <czajkowski> VERY
[17:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm fine now.
[17:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was a tad annoyed for a day or two.
[17:12] <czajkowski> :)
[17:13] <danfish> everyone going to oggcamp?
[17:13] <czajkowski> ME
[17:13] <brobostigon> o/
[17:13] <danfish> yeah
[17:14] <popey> o/
[17:14] <jpds> I prefer flac.
[17:14] <popey> flaccamp
[17:14] <danfish> I have a "full pass" for the Saturday for the better half and a "if you have to" for the Sunday :)
[17:14] <popey> :)
[17:15] <davmor2_> jpds: come over 'ere I'll give you as much flac and grief as you can handle
[17:15] <davmor2_> hey gord good trip home?
[17:15]  * czajkowski prods davmor2_ 
[17:15] <gord> davmor2_, nope! it was horrible! but i'm home - thats all that matters :D
[17:15] <danfish> davmor2_: shhh! he's got jetlag
[17:16] <gord> danfish, how far away do you think budapest is? o_O
[17:16] <davmor2_> czajkowski: what?
[17:16] <czajkowski> gord: minus a tshirt
[17:16] <czajkowski> davmor2_: just saying hi darling
[17:16] <gord> davmor2_, you coming to dublin?
[17:16]  * davmor2_ runs off screaming
[17:16] <danfish> gord: not far geographically, but time wise...10 or so years behind ;)
[17:17] <davmor2_> gord: no idea at this point that's mostly for platform if I recall though
[17:17] <czajkowski> davmor2_: thought ti was launchpad sprint
[17:17] <gord> if you don't know by now then i would guess not :( dang, will have to get someone to pick me up a tshirt
[17:17] <davmor2_> danfish: it ain't 10 years behind at all
[17:17] <gord> czajkowski, platform rally. i think we are calling it a rally now
[17:18] <davmor2_> gord: marathons is what they should be called
[17:18] <czajkowski> gord: so no more sprinting and more rallying
[17:18] <czajkowski> ok
[17:18] <czajkowski> odd balls
[17:19] <davmor2_> czajkowski: that from you! Pot kettle black :P
[17:20]  * davmor2_ gives czajkowski a hug
[17:20] <czajkowski> davmor2_: see am somewhat back
[17:20] <czajkowski> :)
[17:20] <czajkowski> at least to kicking your ass
[17:20] <czajkowski> :)
[17:21] <davmor2_> ha, your only feeling brave cause I'm miles away :P
[17:22] <czajkowski> davmor2_: darling I'm the one to fear remember
[17:30] <gord> the thinkpad X220 looks very cool. 8 hours battery life is useful
[17:31] <davmor2_> gord: be nice to know if that is the battery length with Ubuntu on :)
[17:35] <gord> davmor2_, in my experience? half it :(
[17:36] <davmor2_> haha
[17:38] <gord> loved taking my little arm netbook around uds though, great conference netbook
[17:42] <gord> i'm starting to realise i have no idea where to buy laptops from, anyone have recommendations for places that do customisations and don't suck?
[17:45] <czajkowski> gord: system 76 ?
[17:46] <gord> oh wow, i click on to their page and they offer me an ubuntu laptop, neat
[17:46] <gord> oh its got unity on it ¬_¬
[17:52] <gord> oh and the exchange rate isn't too bad...
[17:54] <davmor2_> gord: but it is like 1.2 million for import right ;)
[17:55] <gord> could always get one delivered to a US person who brings it to dublin and then... forgets... to take it home
[17:56] <gord> these things happen
[17:56] <davmor2_> gord: haha
[18:50] <MiLLo> but does anyone know how to set up dualscreens with ubuntu - it's never worked for me.  I want to set it up so that it's running two screens, through the HDMI cable, and they're "separate" - not mirror screens.
[18:55] <gord> MiLLo, whats your graphics card?
[18:55] <MiLLo> erm
[18:56] <MiLLo> how can i find out@?
[18:56] <MiLLo> since moving to ubuntu i'm not sure
[18:57] <MiLLo> Graphics chipset 	ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4570
[18:57] <MiLLo> weirdly i'm sure I have Nvidia running on this, not ATI
[18:57] <MiLLo> but this was an autodownloaded driver from ubuntu
[19:04] <gord> install the package mesa-utils and run "glxinfo | grep Vendor"
[19:04] <gord> that'll tell you
[19:05] <czajkowski> yawns
[19:06] <MiLLo> that command didn't work gord
[19:07] <gord> are you sure?
[19:07] <MiLLo> when i run it - just brings up the next line
[19:07] <MiLLo> as if i'd not done anything
[19:07] <gord> then just glxinfo
[19:08] <MiLLo> GeForce GT 230M/PCI/SSE2
[19:08] <MiLLo> I thought it was a geforce - which is why I was surprised it said ATI when I searched for my Laptop model :s
[19:09] <gord> okay, then go to system -> administration -> Nvidia Settings (might be called something different, but the icon has an nvidia logo)
[19:09] <MiLLo> how do i go to system on 11.04?
[19:09] <gord> from there in the monitors info you can configure multi-monitor. you'll need the other monitor attached first for it to detect it
[19:09] <MiLLo> it's all gone
[19:09] <gord> oh right sorry, this netbook is on 10.10
[19:10] <MiLLo> yeah - i think i can find nvdia
[19:10] <gord> just press the super/windows key and type nvidia
[19:10] <MiLLo> bare with me one moment - thanks btw
[19:12] <MiLLo> i've found nvidia server settings
[19:12] <MiLLo> but it means nothnig to me (I'm very new to ubuntu)
[19:12] <gord> that'll be it
[19:13] <gord> you'll have a thing for display.monitors there
[19:13] <MiLLo> right
[19:13] <MiLLo> i've detecetd my tv
[19:13] <MiLLo> says i need to asve to config file
[19:14] <MiLLo> i do that - and it says error, unable to parse config file
[19:14] <MiLLo> given me a save as box
[19:14] <gord> thats fine
[19:14] <MiLLo> save?
[19:14] <gord> yeah
[19:14] <MiLLo> now i need to restart xserver
[19:14] <gord> just restart your machine
[19:15] <MiLLo> thanks - I'll hopefully be back soon very happy :D
[19:16] <Azelphur> Has anyone tried displayport on ATI cards with >2 monitors?
[19:16] <Azelphur> or does anyone know anyone who has
[19:17] <AlanBell> issyl0: o/
[19:17] <issyl0> AlanBell: Hey!
[19:18] <AlanBell> do you have anything for the jumble sale?
[19:18] <issyl0> AlanBell: Oh, that.  No - I hadn't planned to get involved in that.
[19:19] <AlanBell> ok, just wondered if you wanted any help pitching anything
[19:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] LightDM, or: an examination of a misunderstanding of the problem - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html
[19:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] OggCamp 11  Worth the wait - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/05/12/oggcamp-11-worth-the-wait/
[19:27] <Azelphur> does anyone know if it costs lots of import money if I buy something from a shop in NL and have it shipped here?
[19:27] <MiLLo> hmm, that sort of worked gord.
[19:29] <MiLLo> it created a second screen - but it won't let me open stuff onto it - or drag across...
[19:29] <MiLLo> like I want to use it to watch films on my TV
[19:29] <MiLLo> it created a second screen - but it won't let me open stuff onto it - or drag across... like i want to use it to watch stuff on my tv
[19:29] <gord> MiLLo, back in the settings set it to use twinview rather than separate x screens
[19:30] <MiLLo> won't that mean it shows the same screen on both?
[19:31] <MiLLo> ah
[19:31] <MiLLo> no
[19:31] <MiLLo> just read up on it
[19:32] <gord> it just has a silly name ;)
[19:32] <gord> it can do that though, if you want. but you don't
[19:32] <MiLLo> there is one issue i've always had with this
[19:32] <MiLLo> and it stems back from windows
[19:33] <MiLLo> my tv is 1080p - it's a 42" LED 3d tv - so it's full hd.  yet whenever I set it to 1080p resolution from dualscreen - the resolution seems "oversized" like it's bigger than the tv can cope with?
[19:33] <MiLLo> tried on 4-5 different tv's and it's the same problem
[19:38] <gord> honestly? your tv isn't 1080p
[19:38] <gord> i'v seen this a lot, they can take a 1080p signal, but they just don't have enough physical pixels
[19:38] <MiLLo> is that the case for all TV's then?
[19:38] <gord> not all, but a hell of a lot
[19:39] <MiLLo> sigh..  I was so hoping this TV would be able to take it!
[19:39] <gord> you *might* be able to play with settings on your tv to resize the 1080p image to whatever resolution your monitor is, on one of my tv's i had to find out its actual resolution and set a custom modeline and horrible stuff like that
[19:40] <MiLLo> i think i did that before on windows - manually shrank it slightly
[19:40] <MiLLo> anything i played looked HORRIBLE
[19:40] <MiLLo> considering I'm losing like a real life centimetre top and bottom - it's not worth it
[19:40] <gord> yup, if your playing video. just leave it alone, hopefully you won't notice because overscan is factored in to the video editing
[19:41] <MiLLo> here's a question - best video player for ubuntu?
[19:41] <MiLLo> especially for both MKV's and subtitles
[19:41] <MiLLo> i'm trying ubuntu vlc
[19:41] <gord> totem, the default, will handle MKV's and subtitles just fine
[19:41] <MiLLo> and it's disappointing compared to the windows version - am I best just using WINE VLC?
[19:42] <gord> no, the windows and ubuntu versions of vlc are the same
[19:42] <MiLLo> ? not functionally
[19:42] <MiLLo> i can't slow down/speed up subtitles on ubuntuvlc
[19:42] <gord> yeah you can
[19:42] <MiLLo> whereas the windows one I could do all of that easily
[19:43] <gord> its the same source code just compiled for ubuntu
[19:43] <MiLLo> ??? really?  do you have any idea how?
[19:43] <gord> look in the options
[19:43] <kvarley> MiLLo: The most powerful player I find is mplayer - you may want to try umplayer or smplayer for a nice GUI. VLC will be the easiest for you to use - you may want to install it from their PPA
[19:43] <MiLLo> ah
[19:43] <MiLLo> ooops
[19:43] <MiLLo> want to laugh?  I have been running totem thinking it's vlc
[19:43] <gord> i personally use XBMC for outputing video to my tv
[19:43]  * MiLLo blushes
[19:43] <gord> yeah thats... quite a difference
[19:44] <MiLLo> :(
[19:44] <MiLLo> I'm very new, still learning how to set up stuff..  thought I'd made it default!!!
[19:44] <MiLLo> XBMC any good?
[19:44] <MiLLo> like I say - I like to configure subtitles and play MKV's more than anything else
[19:44] <gord> i like it, its for home theatres though really
[19:45] <MiLLo> how're you defining home theatre?
[19:45] <gord> it has a 10ft gui
[19:45] <MiLLo> ooooook :P
[19:45] <MiLLo> i just typed xbmc into ubuntu software thingy
[19:46] <gord> its not in there, you have to install a ppa :(
[19:46] <MiLLo> ah
[19:46] <MiLLo> google i take it?
[19:46] <gord> eh? no no, just get the ppa from launchpad
[19:47] <MiLLo> launchpad?
[19:47] <gord> http://launchpad.net/~team-xbmc i think
[19:47] <MiLLo> yeah... thanks :D
[19:47] <MiLLo> it's telling me to add software sources
[19:48] <MiLLo> i've little idea how to do this
[19:48] <MiLLo> is using the terminal version on XBMC website likely to be easier?
[19:49] <gord> no
[19:49] <kvarley> MiLLo: To add software sources open Terminal and type "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa && sudo apt-get update" (minus quotes)
[19:51] <MiLLo> thanks!
[19:51] <MiLLo> i think it's installing now
[19:51] <kvarley> MiLLo: That won't install xmbc, just add the sources. Afterwards you will have to install it
[19:51] <MiLLo> apt-get install xbmc ??
[19:52] <kvarley> MiLLo: "sudo apt-get install xmbc"
[19:52] <MiLLo> yeah
[19:52] <kvarley> MiLLo: You beat me to it
[19:52] <MiLLo> i foret the sudo
[19:52] <MiLLo> i'm SLOWLY getting the hang of terminal
[19:52] <kvarley> MiLLo: You'll be able to view the stuff available from that PPA in your Ubuntu Software Centre too
[19:52] <MiLLo> awesome
[19:53] <MiLLo> we needs an idiots guide to ubuntu
[19:53] <MiLLo> :D
[19:53] <kvarley> MiLLo: Not an idiots guide, I wouldn't call anybody an idiot lol. Learning a new OS takes time, people seem to forget that when coming from another one
[19:54] <MiLLo> haha
[19:55] <MiLLo> how long have you guys been using ubuntu?
[19:57] <jibadeeha> MiLLo, about 2 years here .. but been using Linux since Slackware 2.1
[19:57] <MiLLo> nice... i quite like it, but just the occasional thing on it bugs me
[19:58] <kvarley> MiLLo: 6 years I think, 4 as my main OS.
[19:58] <MiLLo> ok
[19:58] <jibadeeha> MiLLo, yeah there a few things that bug me but then again there is more that bugs me about Windows and other Linux distros i've used ... Ubuntu fairs well for me
[19:58] <MiLLo> terminal has finished installing xbmc
[19:59] <MiLLo> but i can't see it in my software list when i press super/windows key
[20:01] <kvarley> MiLLo: type in "xmbc" and hit enter and it should load
[20:01] <MiLLo> command not found
[20:01] <MiLLo> =/
[20:02] <MiLLo> karma for ignoring gord and using terminal :D
[20:04] <MiLLo> !pastebin
[20:04] <MiLLo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606607/
[20:04] <MiLLo> that mean anything to anyone?
[20:05] <MiLLo> far as i can understand (not much) the sources list are down or something?  #404 error?
[20:06] <czajkowski> whoo eurovision time
[20:07] <MiLLo> ant ideas kvarley / jibadeeha?
[20:08] <MiLLo> *any
[20:09] <ali1234> badram :(
[20:10] <gord> MiLLo, find the team-xbmc file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ - open it and change instances of natty to maverick
[20:10] <MiLLo> including the 11.04 number to 10.10?
[20:12] <gord> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13374048 the irony is delicious
[20:12] <gord> MiLLo, no, just the natty to maverick bit
[20:13] <MiLLo> it won't let me edit/save it
[20:13] <MiLLo> i'm not sure how to open via terminal /open as sudo through the actual file browser :(
[20:13] <gord> its a root owned file, you need to open it with root privilages. just get to the directory in the terminal, then sudo gedit filename
[20:16] <MiLLo> ah
[20:16] <MiLLo> thanks :D
[20:16] <MiLLo> ok that's done
[20:16] <MiLLo> I've saved as -maverick as well
[20:16] <MiLLo> do I delete the original natty one?
[20:16] <gord> if you like
[20:17] <MiLLo> now what do i do?
[20:19] <gord> update
[20:19] <MiLLo> kk thnakds#
[20:19] <MiLLo> or even thanks...
[20:21] <MiLLo> ah, starting to get this now
[20:29] <ali1234> hmm how does sergey expect developers to write code using chromeos?
[20:29] <ali1234> after all i thought that's what google mainly does
[20:30] <ali1234> reckon they've got an implementation of my etherpad/git ide mashup?
[20:32] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/dblock/GB-496000-189000/page/20 I remember being in Mr Brown's class :)
[20:35] <ali1234> hmm they didn't recode the bizarre 3d user interface in flash and/or webgl?
[20:36] <ali1234> well they managed to make it just as difficult to use as the original at least :/
[20:39] <AlanBell> ali1234: look at the screen! http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/dblock/GB-484000-141000
[20:40] <ali1234> how do you rewind a laser disc???????????????
[20:40] <ali1234> that's clearly not an original error message
[20:40] <AlanBell> heh, good point
[20:41] <AlanBell> indeed, 404 error on the BBC master would not be common
[20:41] <MiLLo> ok
[20:41] <MiLLo> so..
[20:41] <MiLLo> i opened it - it opened across both my lappy screen and tv screen
[20:41] <MiLLo> and still wasn't big enough (I need to open it on just tv and have it scaled to fit)
[20:42] <MiLLo> and I coudln't figure out how to close it/alt+tab out and thus had to restart laptop :D
[20:42] <ali1234> what did you open?
[20:43] <MiLLo> xbmc
[20:43] <ali1234> oh
[20:43] <ali1234> no idea then
[20:44] <MiLLo> gord, you still around - any suggestions?
[21:23] <Guest73686> hi guys. I am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit on hp dv6 3150sa laptop. it has got a switchable graphics with ATI radeon HD 5000 series with intel chip set. on VGA switcheroo when i choose high perfomance graphics card i am loosing my compiz and 3D desktop. the properietary software fglrx gave error message when tried to install. if i install the driver from the AMD website, is it going to help/
[21:23] <Guest73686> ?
[21:26] <AlanBell> Guest73686: personally I would stick to the packaged drivers
[21:26] <AlanBell> however if things are totally borked I suppose you haven't got much to lose!
[21:28] <daubers_> evening
[21:28] <Guest73686> AlanBell, I am not able to install the fglrx driver though.its returning error message
[21:28] <AlanBell> o/ daubers_
[21:28] <AlanBell> Guest73686: what error?
[21:28] <AlanBell> daubers: British Library thingie
[21:29] <Guest73686> its says its not archived
[21:30] <daubers> AlanBell: Oh yeah.. forgotten about that. I need to throw together a doodle poll or somesuch
[21:30] <AlanBell> I don't recognise that error message, what is the exact text of it?
[21:30] <AlanBell> daubers: yeah, we had a chat about it at the last meeting
[21:30] <Guest73686> AlanBell, install archives() failed
[21:30] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20110505?action=show&redirect=UKTeam%2FLastMeeting#Daubers%20-%20British%20Library%20Sci-Fi%20Exhibition
[21:31] <AlanBell> bug 2599059
[21:31] <AlanBell> bug 504287
[21:33] <Guest73686> AlanBell, sorry AlanBell, i am not tha wise to understand it all. is there anything that i can
[21:33] <Guest73686> do to fix it
[21:33] <AlanBell> Guest73686: just looking up similar sounding bugs at the moment
[21:33] <Guest73686> AlanBell, i tried 11.04 as well.my compiz is not working at al l on it. so i have deccided not to go for it at the moment
[21:35]  * daubers wonders if doodle can do polls with an AV based system
[21:35] <AlanBell> Guest73686: can you try "sudo apt-get install fglrx-installer" in a terminal window, you should get a better error message that way
[21:37] <Guest73686> AlanBell, uUnable to locate package fglrx-installer
[21:38] <AlanBell> !info fglrx-installer maverick
[21:38] <AlanBell> fair enough!
[21:39] <AlanBell> um, anyone else?
[21:39] <DJones> !find fglrx
[21:40] <Guest73686> AlanBell, i tried installing the Fglrx on 11.04, installation was alright, but still wouldnt let me opn the catlayst centre
[21:40] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer
[21:41] <DJones> This might help listing fglrx packages in maverick http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all
[21:41] <daubers> AlanBell: June/July/August/September? I reckon  July or August which give us 8 weekends or 16 days to choose from
[21:42] <AlanBell> !info fglrx maverick
[21:42] <Guest73686> DJones, AlanBell, is there anything i can do to fix it?
[21:43] <AlanBell> ah, ok, source package name is fglrx-installer but binary is fglrx
[21:43] <AlanBell> Guest73686: ok, try sudo apt-get install fglrx
[21:43] <DJones> Guest73686: I've never had to deal with ati graphics, so I'm not sure of what might help
[21:43] <AlanBell> this will probably fail, but hopefully with a useful error
[21:45] <AlanBell> daubers: agreed, throw up a poll, feel free to leave out any dates you can't make
[21:45] <Guest73686> AlanBell, http://pastebin.com/pd9VZuv7
[21:45] <AlanBell> anyone else got particular dates in the july/august area they don't want in the poll?
[21:46] <AlanBell> daubers: avoid oggcamp
[21:46] <daubers> AlanBell: Good point
[21:46] <AlanBell> Guest73686: excellent, much better error message
[21:47] <popey> Evening all.
[21:48] <AlanBell> Guest73686: that is an interesting one, it tells you how to fix it and ends with (this is not recommended)
[21:49] <AlanBell> so by that I think they mean "do this right now"
[21:49] <daubers> Doodley pollingness! http://doodle.com/53dpqtd6qgbvdpmp
[21:50] <AlanBell> when something says "set the FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL environment variable" what does that mean? what should it be set to?
[21:50] <Guest73686> AlanBell, ok
[21:54] <daubers> AlanBell: Email away
[21:54] <Guest99378> AlanBell, anything else that i can do ?
[21:55] <czajkowski> whoo we're through to the final
[21:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski <3 jedward
[21:57] <daubers> Oh flying spaghetti monsters, thats on this weekend isn't it
[21:57] <czajkowski> :D
[21:58] <AlanBell> wasn't me!
[21:59]  * DJones also denys any knowledge
[22:00]  * popey whistles nonchalantly
[22:00] <daubers> popey can whistle now?
[22:01] <DJones> ....And Whistling popey also makes it through to Eurovision final in a head to head with Jedward
[22:01] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KW2dIXmPVk
[22:03] <daubers> At least popey has some talen
[22:03] <daubers> t
[22:03] <gord> i am just now learning what a jedward is, from a friend. the world is strange and confusing to me.
[22:03] <gord> are they what passes for entertainment in ireland?
[22:04] <ali1234> no, they're famous from britain's got x factor
[22:08] <AlanBell> uh oh
[22:08] <czajkowski> behave!
[22:08] <popey> http://handbag.popey.com/
[22:08] <popey> "special" powers
[22:09] <czajkowski> move along here
[22:09] <czajkowski> nothing to see
[22:10] <czajkowski> gord: yer special
[22:10] <czajkowski> you need to get out more
[22:11] <popey> or stay in more
[22:11] <popey> to be fair
[22:11] <popey> smart move bigcalm!
[22:11] <popey> stay out of it!
[22:12] <popey> BARK BARK BARK Joeb454! BARK BARK!
[22:13]  * czajkowski wonders wtf popey is on about 
[22:13] <Joeb454> BARK BARK popey BARK BARK BARK!
[22:13]  * Joeb454 too
[22:14] <gord> WOOF WOOF WOOF!
[22:14] <gord> this is fun, we should do this every night
[22:14] <popey> :)
[22:14] <popey> Milk cat would not approve
[22:14] <popey> http://meow.popey.com/
[22:14] <Joeb454> I'll make sure to leave and join to remind popey to do it all over again
[22:14] <popey> heh
[22:16] <AlanBell> popey: http://oo00.eu/
[22:16] <popey> haha
[22:17] <mgdm> that's tremendous
[22:21] <AlanBell> best viewed with a webkit browser btw
[22:28] <mgdm> yeah, worked in Chrome :)
[22:47] <ali1234> hamitron: http://imagebin.org/152944
[22:47] <hamitron> omg
[22:47] <hamitron> :D
[22:48] <hamitron> you gotta make a ppa for it?
[22:48] <hamitron> you've just converted me over :/
[22:48] <ali1234> no need its only 1 file
[22:48] <AlanBell> bitcoin mining appindicator?
[22:48] <hamitron> no, something more important
[22:49] <ali1234> well, it's two if you count the eveapi.py
[22:49] <hamitron> eve online ;)
[22:49] <hamitron> I got a feeling I will be unlucky on this bitcoin
[22:52] <ali1234> bitcoin would be another good candidate for this type of thing i guess
[22:52] <ali1234> except that the count is a integer
[22:52] <ali1234> and only 3 digits will fit
[22:53] <hamitron> ali1234: so it won't even work for my eve account?
[22:54] <hamitron> :/
[22:54] <ali1234> well not if you're super rich, no
[22:54] <AlanBell> that isn't going to work well for people with 4816 unread emails in their inbox
[22:54] <ali1234> no, it isn't
[22:54]  * hamitron has 2060
[22:54] <hamitron> :D
[22:54] <hamitron> and I have 4.4 bil isk in eve
[22:54] <hamitron> :/
[22:55] <ali1234> i have nearly 1B in market orders
[22:55] <ali1234> i wanted this so i don't have to log in to check if they've sold
[22:55] <hamitron> I'm not playing atm
[22:55] <hamitron> yeh
[22:55] <hamitron> makes sense
[23:03] <ali1234> hamitron: source: https://github.com/ali1234/eve-unity
[23:04] <hamitron> will take a look later
[23:04] <hamitron> :)
[23:14] <ali1234> since count is a integer
[23:14] <ali1234> maybe it could be abbreviated
[23:14] <ali1234> like, instead of 1000, 1K
[23:14] <ali1234> instead 1000000, 1M... etc
[23:14] <ali1234> that could be done in libunity
[23:15] <ali1234> and no change to the API
[23:17]  * gord adds another checkmark to the number of projects sharing the unity namespace
[23:18] <ali1234> is that not allowed?
[23:18] <ali1234> what should i call it?
[23:18] <gord> oh wait its talking to unity - i get it
[23:18] <gord> i thought the project was just called eve-unity or something :)
[23:18] <ali1234> no, it's a bridge between eve api and unity api
[23:18] <ali1234> but i guess you figured that out
[23:19] <gord> fyi, libunity api is still subject to change come 11.10
[23:19] <gord> but for what your doing, doesn't look like anything will hurt much
[23:20] <ali1234> i know those meego guys are touchy about calling your meego related apps "meego-whatever"
[23:21] <ali1234> trademarks
[23:23] <gord> ah, we have no official standing on that, though it sounds like <project>-unity is better than unity-<project> - because its bindings to unity
[23:33] <ali1234> i wonder if i can index into the launchers and make them do a nightrider style wave animation with the urgent property
[23:34] <exobuzz> gord, is there anything i can do currently to get the brightness control applet working with unity ?
[23:34] <ali1234> is it a gnome panel applet?
[23:34] <exobuzz> yes
[23:35] <ali1234> i think no then
[23:35] <ali1234> you can only whitelist system tray stuff afaik
[23:35] <exobuzz> part of gnome-power-manager
[23:35] <exobuzz> whats the plan for this? its serious loss of functionality without this currently on the joggler
[23:35] <AlanBell> exobuzz: on my laptop I have fn+cursor up/down to do brightness
[23:35] <AlanBell> ah
[23:36] <exobuzz> yeh heh
[23:36]  * AlanBell spots a flaw
[23:36] <ali1234> no keyboard ...
[23:36] <exobuzz> even with the on screen keyboard, it wouldnt be "easy"
[23:38] <exobuzz> ali1234, whats the plan for all these applets? seems a bit of loss of functionality - shame there is no panel emu sort of thing (no idea how applets work so speculation on possibility)
[23:38] <exobuzz> woops
[23:38] <exobuzz> i mean gord
[23:39] <exobuzz> does gnome 3 shell use indicators or this is unity specific? if it's unity only, isnt that fragmenting things and giving users less choice?
[23:40] <exobuzz> aah i just read gnome 3 doesnt use applets also ?
[23:42] <ali1234> exobuzz: as i understand it, gnome-shell uses neither indicators nor gnome-panel applets, but something different
[23:43] <exobuzz> might not then ubuntu users find themselves rather alone if other dists go with gnome shell? in terms of software support
[23:44] <ali1234> perhaps
[23:44] <ali1234> but otoh gnome-shell is even more disliked than unity
[23:45] <exobuzz> i only recently switched back to ubuntu, to try out some natty stuff. now linux mint 11 is out, i might go back to their desktop, since i liketh their start menu
[23:45] <exobuzz> (rc is out)
[23:48] <bittin_> is both Sounder and shipit closed down now?