[00:24] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ping
[14:51] <xTEMPLARx_> switched from unity to gnome 3
[14:51] <xTEMPLARx_> not too bad so far
[15:02] <wrst> hey xTEMPLARx i'm very fond of gnome 3
[15:02] <wrst> the ubuntu ppa last time i tried it royally sucked though
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> that's what I'm using now
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> installed it early yesterday
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> been working pretty well thus far, senor wrst
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> what problems did you run into?
[15:04] <wrst> they may have improved it xTEMPLARx
[15:05] <wrst> well xTEMPLARx it was just a little weird looking compared to the vanilla gnome 3, the vanilla i think competes easily with kde4 on looks
[15:05] <wrst> I had gnome 3 installed in arch so i used it for about 10 minutes didn't like it and went back to arch
[15:05] <wrst> i'm really disappointed in unity
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  unity wasn't so bad imo, but I would probably lean its way if I were installing it on a low-end system without good graphics
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> i like the avant dock though, which gnome 3 is using by default
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> at least from the ubuntu ppa
[15:09] <wrst> gnome 3 fallback is pretty decent looking
[15:09] <wrst> the dock is pretty much the same
[15:09] <wrst> but xTEMPLARx when they put unity on top of gnome3 for the shell it may be much better
[15:09] <wrst> so i haven't given up hope
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> wait
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> what?
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> unity on TOP of gnome shell?
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> no TY
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> I got this Suzuki hatchback, but I'm gonna put it on top of my cadillac escalade to make it cooler!
[15:18] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[15:19] <wrst> no they are going to have unity to be the shell on gnome 3 instead of gnome shell if I'm not mistaken
[15:19] <wrst> but xTEMPLARx, mhall119 can tell us all about it when he gets back from UDS
[15:19] <xTEMPLARx> is that secret code for "bathroom"?
[15:20] <wrst> Ubuntu Developer Summit
[15:20] <wrst> I'm sure they have some fine bathrooms there however, I think budapest is where its at
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> so mhall actually went to budapest to attend?  and he's from TN?
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> REPRESENT!
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:36] <mhall119> I'm from florida
[16:20] <wrst> mhall119: how is it going over there?
[16:20] <wrst> or are you still there?
[17:26] <xTEMPLARx> There's a floridian in here?!
[17:26] <xTEMPLARx> we don't take kindly to outsiders round hyere!
[17:26] <xTEMPLARx> <banjo music>
[17:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think ohh yeah you are implying we have the banjos thats about right
[18:04] <mhall119> xTEMPLARx: I'm not there, I'm in Budapest, weren't you paying attention?
[18:05] <mhall119> wrst: it's been busy, I'm sprinting which means I don't have much time for sessions
[18:05] <wrst> mhall119: sounds like a fun time, hope you can give us an update when you get back, enjoy!
[18:06] <mhall119> wrst: I'd be happy to
[18:06] <wrst> awesome look forward to it be safe
[18:06] <mhall119> all the summit notes are in etherpad though, so you can browse them
[18:06] <wrst> cool
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> leetsauce
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> do they make an etherpad ipad app?  :D
[18:47] <xTEMPLARx> nope no ipad or android versions
[18:47] <xTEMPLARx> booo
[18:55] <wrst> ipad...blah
[18:55] <wrst> :)
[19:20] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[19:20] <xTEMPLARx> don't hate!
[19:20] <xTEMPLARx> it is what it is
[19:20] <xTEMPLARx> and for what I wanted it for, its working nicely
[19:21] <wrst> yes they look wonderful xTEMPLARx i'm just jealous i don't have the $$ for one right now ;)
[19:22] <xTEMPLARx> i had to sell some things
[19:22] <xTEMPLARx> had to part with my last motorcycle
[19:22] <xTEMPLARx> it wasn't running anyway, and was just wasting away, so its in a better place now
[19:23] <wrst> motorcycle heaven?
[19:54] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger, delayed pong ... even though you aren't here
[19:54] <wrst> ha ha pace_t_zulu :)
[19:54] <wrst> and good afternoon
[19:54] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: good afternoon to you.
[19:55] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: guess you saw it but we got an update from Budapest
[19:56] <pace_t_zulu> budapest?
[19:56] <pace_t_zulu> good hustle mhall119
[19:57] <wrst> yes I think he might even be willing to clue us in on all the good stuff when he gets back
[19:57] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: you have a link to etherpad?
[20:25] <mhall119> pace_t_zulu: if you go to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/ then pick a day or track, most of the meetings  will have a small pad and pen icon that will take you to that session's pad
[20:56] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: ty
[21:02] <Xpistos> You, peeps
[21:03] <Xpistos> Is there any reason why I can't install 32 bit os on my wife's AMD 64 computer?
[21:05] <wrst> no Xpistos
[21:05] <wrst> how much ram does she have Xpistos?
[21:06] <Xpistos> 4 gb
[21:06] <wrst> If i don't have over 4GB of RAM on a machine I always install 32bit
[21:06] <Xpistos> what iso do I use?
[21:06] <wrst> I would certainly go 32bit unless you are using it for something that 64bit gives you a "real" advantage on
[21:07] <pace_t_zulu> "Ubuntu 11.10 To Switch From GDM To LightDM" ... http://digitizor.com/2011/05/12/ubuntu-11-10-lightdm/
[21:08] <Xpistos> no she has nad nothing but trouble with 64 bit Mint
[21:08] <Xpistos> so I want to get her off to go to 11.04 Ubuntu 32-bit
[21:08] <wrst> Xpistos: 32 bit just generally works better with things like flash etc, I run both  and have really no issues now but used to have more with 64
[21:09] <Xpistos> so, what can you install lightdm now/
[21:09] <Xpistos> Cause frankly I cna't stand unity!
[21:09] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: you know what the "Punchy Penguin" is?
[21:09] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: that makes a lot of good sense
[21:11] <Xpistos> So on a AMD  64_bit computer, I can just install the standard 32 bit Ubuntu?
[21:11] <wrst> yes Xpistos
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: sounds like a good move to me
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: lightdm would replace gdm .... similar to how unity replaced gnome2
[21:12] <Xpistos> col
[21:12] <wrst> and btw Xpistos the AMD 64 builds work on intel 64 bit too
[21:12] <Xpistos> cool
[21:12] <Xpistos> now if I can only get it to install from the usb I will be good
[21:12] <wrst> Xpistos: should install easily from usb if your bios supports it
[21:12] <Xpistos> Daugther DE-STROYED the cd-rw drive.
[21:13] <Xpistos> I tried during the weekend and it got to installin the software and then errered out
[21:15] <wrst> hmm haven't had that Xpistos but could be a bug?
[21:16] <Xpistos> well I was using the 64-it AMD versiion so we will testout the normal ubuntu and see
[21:17] <pace_t_zulu> amd64 is just one name for 64-bit extensions to the x86 architecture... 'amd64' and 'x86_64' are the common shortnames for the architecture ... only reason it ever got the 'amd64' name is because it was developed by AMD during Intel's misguided project the make Itanium the 64-bit platform of the future.... please correct me if i'm wrong
[21:18] <pace_t_zulu> any 32-bit x86 code should run just fine on an amd64/x86_64 processor
[21:18] <Xpistos> Thanks pace_t_zulu
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: yw ... np
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> "Mark Shuttleworth: Our Goal Is 200 Million Ubuntu Users In 4 Years" ... http://digitizor.com/2011/05/09/mark-shuttleworth-ubuntu/
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> ambitious
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu> especially given the fact that it has take nearly 7 years to amass ~12 million users
[21:25] <pace_t_zulu> from the article ... "We’re not playing a game for developers hearts and minds" - Mark Shuttleworth ... that is not very comforting
[21:26] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I think that is exactly what i was trying to remember on the 64 stuff :)
[21:27] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: any buzz about wayland at UDS-O?
[21:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i think what i said is accurate ... that's my recollection of how that architecture came about
[21:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[21:29] <wrst> that sounds like what i had read and was googling for :)
[21:29] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: first scan looks like you were exactly right
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: first time for everything ;)
[21:30] <wrst> from my experience that's not the first time ;)
[21:37] <mhall119> pace_t_zulu: there was I think one question about it
[21:37] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: so really... nothing
[21:37] <mhall119> the answer was pretty much "Wayland is the future of linux desktops, but the future is a long way away"
[21:37] <pace_t_zulu> mhall119: that would indicate that wayland will not land before the next LTS ... but maybe after... right?
[21:38] <mhall119> from what little I've heard about it, 13.04 would be the absolute soonest it could be the default, but that's highly unlikely
[21:38] <mhall119> it will probably be in a PPA before then