[00:16] <ooki2day> szal: here?
[00:23] <szal> ooki2day: another thing (for you to pastebin, that is) -> dpkg -l '*nvidia*'
[00:23] <ooki2day> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606675/
[00:24] <szal> huh?  do you have both nvidia-current and nvidia-173 installed?
[00:25] <ooki2day> installed both? but use one-current
[00:25] <szal> that's most probably the problem then -> uninstall all things nvidia-173
[00:26] <szal> the 173 is for GeForce FX series only
[00:26] <lucas-arg> hey all... any one with flash problems in rekonq?
[00:26] <szal> !anyone
[00:26] <lucas-arg> cant see the videos, i hear sound but no video
[00:27] <ooki2day> then restart computer or X server?
[00:27] <szal> ooki2day: run 'nvidia-xconfig', then reboot
[00:27] <lucas-arg> ok ill try it
[00:28] <szal> lucas-arg: you'll try what?
[00:29] <vorian> haha, that's sadly funny
[00:31] <lucas-arg> ok i did nvidia-xconfig and rebooted, and nothing happend still cant see youtube videos on rekonq
[00:32] <szal> lucas-arg: since when is your nick 'ooki2day'?
[00:32] <ooki2day> ooki2day its me)
[00:32] <lucas-arg> im lucas...
[00:33] <lucas-arg> im not oosomthing
[00:33] <lucas-arg> so reqonk doesnt work...
[00:33] <vorian> lucas-arg: he's saying you followed directions he was giving to ooki2day
[00:33] <lucas-arg> lol
[00:33] <lucas-arg> ok
[00:33] <lucas-arg> so flash doesnt work on rekonq
[00:44] <ooki2day> I uninstalled 173 driver, but can't enable effects again
[00:52] <ooki2day> szal: for desktop effects, I need install compiz?
[00:52] <szal> ooki2day: hell no
[00:52] <szal> Compiz is a totally different pair of shoes & has nothing to do w/ KDE or its effects
[00:53] <szal> the only guess left is that there's still problems w/ the 8800, which was known to be a b*tch when it first came out
[00:54] <szal> s/when/after/
[01:24] <ooki2day_> szal: ping
[01:25] <szal> what's the matter?
[01:26] <ooki2day_> i can enable effects, but with XRender
[01:31] <wafa> hi
[01:33] <wafa> i am in trouble, i tried to remove some files in order to free more space but i did a big mistake
[01:33] <wafa> some files were removed from my ubuntu 10.10
[01:36] <wafa> now i lost the graphic interface of ubuntu 10.10
[01:37] <wafa> can any one help me?
[01:51] <miinsik> After installing kubuntu 11.04 using wubi under windows xp, the bootloader doesn't show the option for 'KUBUNTU'...
[02:09] <gennro> Hello
[02:11] <gennro> So how is everyone?
[02:11] <semistud2354>  can anyone tell me why my programs are turning black when thy are maximized?
[02:11] <semistud2354>  i dont know if its my nvidia card or something else?
[02:13] <mase_wk> semistud2354: is it a new problem ? if so it's likely to be a driver issue
[02:13] <semistud2354> i cant remember when it started
[02:13] <mase_wk> are you using the nouveau drivers or the binary nvidia drivers ?
[02:13] <semistud2354> the drivers that kubuntu told me to install
[02:14] <semistud2354> in the drivers detection program
[02:14] <semistud2354> so i guess their the nvidia one
[02:14] <mase_wk> told you or offered you the option
[02:14] <mase_wk> right yeh it didn't tell you to install them
[02:14] <mase_wk> it gave you the option
[02:14] <mase_wk> and those are the binary nvidia drivers
[02:15] <semistud2354> if i minimize it it works
[02:15] <semistud2354> i dont understand
[02:15] <mase_wk> so you can either try the nouveau drivers or contact nvidia
[02:15] <mase_wk> and see how to file  a bug there
[02:16] <semistud2354> can i still have desktop effects if i use the nouveau drivers
[02:16] <gennro> if you haven't MAKE SURE the nouveau drivers are not installed
[02:16] <gennro> if you have the binary nvidia drivers installed
[02:16] <gennro> because the installer will not remove the nouveau drivers
[02:16] <mase_wk> gennro: why would that make a difference, afaik nvidia ship their own glx stack , mesa replacement etc..
[02:17] <mase_wk> the nvidia driver would not link to any of those
[02:17] <gennro> yes it does
[02:17] <gennro> verified it on several ocasions now
[02:17] <mase_wk> so how did you veryfy this ?
[02:17] <semistud2354> could it be a setting in desktop effects in KDE?
[02:17] <mase_wk> semistud2354: no
[02:18] <semistud2354> i have a feeling its a dumb thing like that
[02:18] <mase_wk> it's not
[02:18] <semistud2354> damn
[02:18] <semistud2354> so i cant do much besides file a bug report
[02:18] <gennro> trust me.......... the nouavou driver is junk and will cause problems
[02:19] <mase_wk> gennro: that's not correct at all. On some cards they perform perfectly fine. I use them on a few of my boxes
[02:19] <gennro> oh and the meta package for the nvidia 185 driver is bad also
[02:19] <mase_wk> you won't win any speed awards
[02:19] <mase_wk> but for regular desktop use, if you have a supported card they are really quite good
[02:20] <semistud2354> omg
[02:20] <semistud2354> i just rebooted X server and now it works
[02:20] <semistud2354> wtf
[02:21] <gennro> it happens
[02:22] <semistud2354> geez i wonder whats making it do that
[02:22] <semistud2354> its not on all programs
[02:22] <semistud2354> and it only happens here and there
[02:22] <mase_wk> gennro: i am curious how you worked out that the nvidia driver was linking against the nouveau driver ?
[02:22] <semistud2354> o...curious
[02:22] <semistud2354> could it be that i'm still on the beta kubuntu
[02:23] <semistud2354> what happend was i doewnloaded the beta and just did all the updates till now
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: have you updated your system since release?
[02:23] <semistud2354> yeah
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: if you have all the updates then you ahve the final version effectivly
[02:23] <semistud2354> like the sudo apt-get update
[02:23] <gennro> go to the KPackageKit and remove"xserver-xorg-video-nouneau"
[02:23] <gennro> will fix your issue
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ^^
[02:24] <gennro> had the same issues after installing the binary nvidia drivers........ removed the nouvaeu driver and all fixed
[02:25] <James147> gennro: how are you so sure? I have never ever seen the open drivers interfer with then closed ones and remvoing them will likly just mean he loses the fallback option
[02:25] <semistud2354> nothings poping up for xserver-xorg-video-nounea
[02:25] <gennro> for some reason xorg likes to load the nouvaeu driver over the nvidia one for no reason also
[02:25] <semistud2354>  or just nouneau
[02:26] <gennro> if the nouvaeu driver is loaded into the kernel at the same time the nvidia one is it will cause issues
[02:26] <semistud2354> how can i find out?
[02:26] <semistud2354> is there an ls command i can imput
[02:26] <semistud2354> input*
[02:27] <James147> semistud2354: lsmod
[02:27] <gennro> the REASON why NVIDIA will blacklist the nouvaeu driver if you install the nvidia driver manually via the package from nvidia's website
[02:28] <gennro> and if you are worried about a fallback the VESA driver is installed and works fine for times when the nvidia drivers fail
[02:28] <semistud2354> im assuming that i look for nouneau after i type lsmod
[02:29] <gennro> it is spelled nouveau.... the reason you can't find it
[02:29] <semistud2354> yea nouveau isn't in my lsmod
[02:29] <semistud2354> is that a bad thing?
[02:30] <James147> semistud2354: it means your not using the open drivers so they shouldnot be conflicting
[02:30] <James147> semistud2354: you should have nvidia instead listed
[02:30] <gennro> just do "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveu" without the quoates into the terminal
[02:31]  * James147 doupts that will do much ^^
[02:31] <mase_wk> i don't think it will either
[02:31] <semistud2354> Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-nouveu
[02:31] <gennro> "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau"
[02:31] <semistud2354> thats what poped up
[02:31] <gennro> forgot the A sorry
[02:32] <James147> ^^ if anything it stop you from falling back to the open drivers should the nvidia ones fail (ie when upgrading to a new version of kubuntu)
[02:32] <gennro> then after that reboot the computer
[02:32] <gennro> and it shouldn't happen anymore
[02:32] <semistud2354> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:32] <semistud2354>   xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:32] <semistud2354> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:32] <semistud2354> After this operation, 356 kB disk space will be freed.
[02:32] <semistud2354> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[02:33] <FloodBotK1> semistud2354: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:33] <gennro> hit Y
[02:33] <semistud2354> what should i say?
[02:33] <gennro> Y
[02:33] <semistud2354>  xserver-xorg-video-all <<isnt that important?
[02:33] <gennro> no its not
[02:33] <gennro> just a meta package
[02:34] <semistud2354> whats a meta package?
[02:34] <gennro> just a file that tells what other files to be installed without you having to install all of those files yourself
[02:34] <semistud2354> should i do the update thing
[02:34] <gennro> makes your life easier
[02:34] <semistud2354> ahh i see
[02:35] <semistud2354> update && dist up grade thing
[02:35] <semistud2354> should i do that now
[02:35] <gennro> so if you remove the meta package it doesn't remove anything but the meta package
[02:35] <gennro> yeah you can't
[02:35] <gennro> you can I mean
[02:35] <gennro> will just update the package lists and check your system for any updates and insta;; them if you wish
[02:36] <semistud2354> ok now what?
[02:36] <gennro> "sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrade"
[02:36] <semistud2354> did that
[02:37] <gennro> anything to update?
[02:37] <gennro> oh duh do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:37] <gennro> prolly should be some things that need updated also
[02:38] <semistud2354> nothing to update
[02:38] <semistud2354> is that bad?
[02:38] <semistud2354> should it update or something?
[02:38] <gennro> nah.... just means no updates
[02:38] <gennro> now just reboot your computer and you should be good to go
[02:38] <semistud2354> ok...here goes...brb
[02:40] <gennro> Linux gennro-G50VT 2.6.38-5.dmz.2-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Sat May 7 01:31:23 CDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:40] <melodie> Anyone know how to download Itunes for Kubuntu, I've looked on the forums and can't find anything
[02:41] <James147> melodie: there is no linux version of itunes
[02:41] <gennro> I don't think Itunes works in linux
[02:41] <gennro> DRM
[02:41] <James147> though amarok can sync with `some` apple products
[02:42] <James147> gennro: dont think it has anything to do with drm...
[02:42] <gennro> has a lot to do with it
[02:42] <melodie> >.< so I have to go on virtual machine for that then? I have another program called gtkpod...that dosent work though? So should I just try Amarok then... It is a Ipod nano 4th generation
[02:43] <James147> gennro: considering they dont drm their music anymore I doupt it
[02:43] <James147> melodie: try amarok, see if it can
[02:44] <semistud2354> ok
[02:44] <semistud2354>  back
[02:44] <semistud2354> nothing seemes messed up
[02:44] <semistud2354> so what do i do now
[02:45] <melodie> james147: just out of curiosty do you know why they took drm off..i thought it protected there files if that is what you were talking about??
[02:45] <gennro> and if anyone whats to know the Liquorix kernel works fine in buntu 11.04
[02:45] <gennro> so no issues semistud2354?
[02:45] <semistud2354> nope
[02:45] <gennro> cool
[02:45] <semistud2354> not as of yet
[02:45] <gennro> well there ya go
[02:45] <semistud2354> let me try something that used to give me black screens
[02:46] <semistud2354> opening like 12 documents in ocular
[02:46] <melodie> James147: just out of curiosty do you know why they took drm off..i thought it protected there files if that is what you were talking about??
[02:47] <semistud2354> yeah if i still open like 12 documents in ocular it still does it
[02:47] <James147> melodie: due to overwhelmingly popular demand... since it stoped used from using th files on more then a few devices
[02:47] <gennro> well it would of been nice if you would of informed us of that
[02:48] <James147> stoped users ^^
[02:48] <gennro> thats prolly just a bug in ocular
[02:48] <semistud2354> o
[02:48] <semistud2354> well i have another question...if you dont mind?
[02:49] <James147> semistud2354: if it didnt work then i suggest installing xserver-xorg-video-all again (might help to avoid problems in the furture)
[02:50] <melodie> James147: I don't think it was very smart doing that..oh wel, I'm not running the company, thanks James. You have satisfied my curiousity.
[02:50] <semistud2354> when i first installed kubuntu it took like...10 sec to boot...after i installed the broadcom driver it now takes like 60 secs
[02:51] <James147> melodie: no one likes drm stuff... so its better for the people... and if they only offer drm stuff then allot of people just wont buy from them
[02:51] <mase_wk> drm is a flawed concept
[02:51]  * James147 agrees with mase_wk
[02:51] <gennro> most people don't even know what the DRM is
[02:52] <James147> ^^ people tend to `steal` stuff more out of it being easier then actually buying the stuff in the first place.... though this is really a topic for off topic
[02:53] <mase_wk> yeh i completely agree, most people just want the quickest , easiest way to do something
[02:53] <melodie> James147: In my mind wouldn't it just lead to more copies of music being illigally distibuted and copied?? Then given away for free??
[02:53] <melodie> Maybe I just don't understand drm fully I guess
[02:54] <James147> melodie: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:54] <wss> :)hello
[02:56] <melodie> Now that Amarok is up, I can see the ipod and the tracks on the ipod, but how to I get the music on it... ( feel sort of stupid asking )
[03:02] <ssfdre38> ??
[03:46] <qboster> hi all, how can I find the kubuntu changes with upstream?
[04:20] <valorie> qboster: did you see the link in the /subject line?
[04:20] <valorie> kubuntu stays as current as possible
[04:23] <qboster> valorie, sorry, and how can I get my answer?
[04:29] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release
[04:29] <valorie> and there will be a notice there about 4.6.3 as well
[04:29] <valorie> but say more about what information you need
[04:30] <valorie> as new KDE packages are released, our packagers pack them up
[04:30] <valorie> when there is a new KDE release, that is out for the user usually within a day
[04:31] <valorie> if you want more specific information, you might drop into #kubuntu-devel
[04:31] <valorie> although many of our team are at UDS right now
[04:31] <valorie> or read the kubuntu-devel mail list
[04:32] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[04:32] <qboster> valorie, OK, thanks, and if I want to know how the packager to branding upstream kde, I may go to kubuntu-devel, right ?
[04:33] <valorie> yes, that's an open channel for devel questions and participation
[04:33] <valorie> we're always looking for more packagers
[04:33] <valorie> :-)
[04:34] <qboster> valorie, aha, it sounds good
[04:38] <dan__> Is that pretty hard to do?
[04:39] <dan_l> I don't really have the skillz to contribute.  Because I'm computer fail.
[04:40] <valorie> the packaging is too complex for ME
[04:40] <valorie> but contributions can come from people with all kinds of strengths
[04:41] <valorie> we need translators, documentation writers, web developers, artists, enthusiastic people, wonderful folks like the experts who hang out here to help people
[04:41] <valorie> and on and on
[04:42] <dan_l> heh.  I don't know what of that I could do :)
[04:42] <valorie> sometimes I see absolute beginners helping other beginners here
[04:43] <valorie> it's awesome
[04:43] <dan_l> Well I try to do that.  But that's only rudimentary help.
[04:43] <dan_l> answer a .....'how do I?"
[04:43] <dan_l> I occasionally smugly tell somebody to avoid using badbuntu.
[04:44] <valorie> badbuntu?
[04:45] <dan_l> My pet name for ubuntu:)
[04:45] <dan_l> I'm a total ktard.
[04:45] <dan_l> I have an admittedly irrational love for it.
[04:46] <valorie> well, my favorite is kubuntu
[04:46] <valorie> but we're all in this together
[04:46] <gennro> yup
[04:46] <valorie> Canonical provides support and the basis for kubuntu as well as ubuntu
[04:47]  * mase_wk sighs
[04:47] <valorie> and that extends outward -- we're all in the cause of free and open source
[04:48] <gennro> except fro my nvidia drivers
[04:48] <gennro> for
[04:48] <valorie> our LoCo had a table at LinuxFest Northwest 2 weekends ago
[04:48] <valorie> we presented the newest Ubuntu/Unity as well as Kubuntu
[04:48] <valorie> since I was there
[04:48] <valorie> :-)
[04:49] <valorie> gave away a bunch of CDs I burned for people, as well as a large stack of Kub. stickers
[04:49] <gennro> cool
[04:50] <gennro> so I found out today that the Liquorix kernel works well with Kubuntu and is well worth it
[04:51] <valorie> I've heard another mention of that today
[04:51] <valorie> what is it?
[04:52] <gennro> is a kernel setup for desktop performance
[04:52] <gennro> really made for debian but works fine in ubuntu
[04:52] <valorie> aren't all kernels used "setup for desktop performance"?
[04:52] <gennro> not all
[04:53] <gennro> ost are geared for server
[04:53] <valorie> sure, but we use a different kernel
[04:53] <valorie> for desktop
[04:53] <gennro> generic?
[04:53] <gennro> thats like great value at walmart
[04:53] <gennro> bleh
[04:54] <valorie> I really shouldn't talk about this, since I know so little
[04:56] <gennro> so valorie what do you do for Kubuntu?
[04:58] <valorie> good question
[04:58] <valorie> I test a lot of stuff
[04:58] <valorie> blog and such
[04:59] <valorie> and am working towards contributing to documentation
[04:59] <gennro> cool
[04:59] <dan_l> We need more of it:)
[04:59] <dan_l> So get right on that.
[04:59] <valorie> plus community outreach, I guess
[05:00] <giantpune> hi boys.  im wanting to try out kubuntu for the first time.  im having a bit of trouble finding a torrent download for the latest AMD64 LTS.  can somebody point me in the right direction?
[05:01] <dan_l> giantpune:  http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/natty/release/dvd/kubuntu-11.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:01] <dan_l> ?
[05:01] <giantpune> 11.04 is not LTS
[05:01] <dan_l> Oh.  I fail at failing.
[05:01] <gennro> 10.04 is a LTS release
[05:01] <gennro> its every other release
[05:02] <valorie> there is a torrent for 10.04 as well
[05:02] <valorie> I'm serving it
[05:02] <valorie> or whatever you call it
[05:02] <dan_l> Seeding!
[05:02] <valorie> yep
[05:02] <dan_l> What kind of pirate arrrrrrrrrrrr you?
[05:02] <valorie> not much!
[05:02] <valorie> lol
[05:03] <giantpune> woot   http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/
[05:03] <dan_l> Valorie:  I became quite fond of the notifications in 10.04, 10.10.
[05:04] <valorie> they've only gotten better
[05:04] <valorie> :-)
[05:04] <dan_l> Yeah I don't know.  It seems like my notifications are distributed now.
[05:04] <gennro> 11.04 is the best and most stable I have used so far
[05:05] <dan_l> like the kopete notifications aren't coming from the same place as the other notifications
[05:05] <giantpune> has qt 4.7.2 made it into any of the repos yet?  or are all of kubuntu versions still using 4.6.x?
[05:06] <dan_l> since i upgraded, the good previous from my desktop fence have come back.  That's awesome.
[05:07] <valorie> not sure about the qt versions
[05:08] <gennro> I think I have seen some 4.7.2 in the upstream.... but not much..... running 4.6.3 KDE from the kubuntu ppa
[05:08] <giantpune> im still on ubuntu 10.04 and having to build 4.7.X from source.  theres only 4.6.X in the repos here
[05:09] <gennro> but that is a few QT libs and that is it
[05:09] <valorie> looks like I have 4.7.2 on my system
[05:09] <giantpune> i built gentoo this week and setup arch and they both have 4.7.2 available.
[05:09] <valorie> with KDE 4.6.3
[05:09] <giantpune> valorie, which kubuntu are you using?
[05:09] <valorie> 11.04
[05:10]  * giantpune grabs a torrent for that one as well
[05:10] <gennro> 11.04 works fine with some tweaking and you enable all of the pre-release updates
[05:12] <valorie> I just did an upgrade, and most everything worked well
[05:12] <valorie> however, I still can't get my headphone jack to work
[05:12] <valorie> dunno what is going on there
[05:12] <gennro> asus?
[05:12] <valorie> no idea
[05:13] <valorie> it's an HP laptop, and it's worked up until now
[05:13] <valorie> so I'm fairly sure it has to do with the upgrade
[05:13] <valorie> not the KDE version
[05:13] <gennro> I know there is a fix for that.... its a pulse audio issue
[05:13] <gennro> just can't remember where I saw it
[05:13] <valorie> well, I just installed all the pa gtk control stuff
[05:14] <valorie> everything is turned on
[05:14] <valorie> I might need to visit #pulseaudio and bug colin
[05:15] <dan_l> Valorie:  is it a switched jack?
[05:15] <dan_l> there's a word for it
[05:15] <dan_l> and I forget what it is.
[05:16] <valorie> I haven't a clue
[05:16] <dan_l> I have a compaq lappy.  the jack has the mechanism to detect when headphones have been  plugged in.
[05:16] <valorie> it used to work, now it doesn't
[05:17] <dan_l> If I were to ever go back to windoze 7, it would detect the presence of the headphones.
[05:18] <dan_l> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1734730 <-----there's 1000 different solutions there.  One will work, I promise:)
[05:18] <valorie> well, if I went back to 10.10, it would too
[05:18] <valorie> no magic about windoz
[05:18] <valorie> rofl
[05:18] <valorie> thanks for googling for me!
[05:20] <dan_l> I wasn't trying to be a jerk!
[05:20] <dan_l> wait
[05:20] <dan_l> that was the wrong post
[05:20] <pune> does anybody here used the kubuntu intstaller to create partitions and put /home on a seperate partition?  i tried this several times in the past and the installer always choked on it.  im wondering if it has been fixed since then
[05:20] <dan_l> hang on
[05:20] <valorie> no, I was sincerely thanking you
[05:20] <dan_l> I had one from a like a year ago which is what I used to trouble shoot mine.
[05:20] <dan_l> Oh.  K.  srry.
[05:21] <valorie> I hadn't had time to google, file a bug, or visit a channel
[05:21] <valorie> UDS remotely has been a challenge
[05:21] <valorie> I had to run through one of those checklists long ago for some sound problem
[05:22] <valorie> can't remember what exactly, any more
[05:23] <dan_l> Ya know, that's kind of the embarassing thing when I get people to try the kubuntu.
[05:23] <valorie> eh
[05:23] <valorie> I'll find the solution eventually
[05:24] <valorie> and that will make my husband happy
[05:24] <dan_l> Like, they'll install it and be like "this is fun, and pretty, and what's that?  Not nearly as much malware----GREAT.  But ummm why doesn't my sound work?"
[05:24] <valorie> lol
[05:24] <valorie> sound almost always works without a hit
[05:24] <valorie> hitch
[05:24] <valorie> and I help test new phonon and backends
[05:24] <valorie> etc.
[05:25] <dan_l> See, I've never done a fresh install without having to spend 3 days screwing with the audio.
[05:26] <dan_l> Hell, I guarantee since I upgraded there will be some quirk that will come up in a week that I'll spend a day trying to fix.
[05:32] <pune> anybody know of a realistic guess as to how much space a boot partition should be?  im using whatever grub comes with kubuntu.  50MB?  100MB?
[05:34] <gennro> i set mine for 200
[05:35] <gennro> if u don'
[05:35] <gennro> if you don't mess much with the kernel then set it for 100
[05:36] <pune> ther will be no multibooting and the only time i mess with the kernel here is when it gets updated through the repos
[05:37] <gennro> 100 is fine then
[05:39] <pune> and what about swap?  if i have 2GB or GB of RAM, is swap even needed these days?  or is that just a thing of the past?
[05:39] <pune> or more^
[05:52] <bigbrovar> pune: yep swap is still needed if not for anything for legacy purpose
[05:52] <bigbrovar> I know for a fact that some systems will not hibernate without swap being on.
[05:53] <pune> oops.  too late.  im only setting this up in a VM right now, but ill keep it in mind when i go to install it for real
[05:53] <bigbrovar> I have 4gb of ram but set my swap to 2048mb
[05:53] <bigbrovar> with things like swap, its better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them :)
[05:54] <pune> better to not need to have them
[05:54] <gennro> yeah for like processes to leak over into
[06:03] <gennro> HALP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:06] <valorie> !help | gennro
[06:07] <gennro> !help | gennro
[06:07] <gennro> silly bot
[06:08] <gennro> tricks are for kids
[06:08] <valorie> lol
[06:08] <gennro> its cracks me up
[06:09] <gennro> specially people that come in here
[06:09] <milano30man> current drivers for a HP Color Laserjet 3550 printer are not working for Kubuntu 11.04. The HP site only lists 10.10 drivers. When will a driver update be available for 11.04?
[06:09] <valorie> have you tried jockey-kde ?
[06:09] <gennro> thats all on HP bud
[06:10] <valorie> I wouldn't worry about what is on their site
[06:10] <milano30man> I looked. This new release is not listed on the HP site yet.
[06:10] <valorie> I haven't had to build anything from a site for.... too many years to remember
[06:11] <milano30man> Before I updated from 10.10 the printer worked fine...when i udated to 11.04 I now have errors when I try to print
[06:11] <pune> i see dolphin has a lot of different settings and stuff to play with.  but i dont see that it has a quick setting that mimics nautilus' and windows' compact view.  what im shooting for is the on the left side of this image.  does anybody know if there is a simple setting im missing?    http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/875/dolphin.png
[06:12] <gennro> no idea pune
[06:13] <gennro> milano30man: I guess you will need to wait for HP to release updated drivers
[06:13] <mase_wk> pune: if nautilus works for you , you could just use nautilus
[06:13] <gennro> or go back to 10.10
[06:13] <milano30man> ok
[06:13] <milano30man> logging off is also a problem... the only way I can do it without freezing up the desktop is to select restart.
[06:14] <milano30man> log off or shutdown does not work correctly....has anyone noticed this in 11.04?
[06:14] <gennro> nope
[06:14] <pune> i cold mase_wk.  but if possible, i would like to use the default programs and just configure them a bit
[06:15] <mase_wk>  pune so if you put it into details mode
[06:15] <mase_wk> and deselect the size and date
[06:15] <mase_wk> does that do what you want ?
[06:15] <milano30man> well looks like I will go back to 10.10 until this release is a bit more mature.
[06:16] <mase_wk> and remove the information view on the right
[06:17] <mase_wk> pune: then i guess you could choose text only for the icons
[06:17] <pune> it would mase_wk if it filled up the scroll area to the right instead of down.  i would rather have 2 or 3 columns on the screen at once instead of 1 column and a bunch of empty space
[06:19] <pune> thats really what im looking for here is the layout that puts the most icons in view at once
[06:19] <mase_wk> set it to icon mode
[06:19] <mase_wk> and go to preferences and set the arrangement to columns
[06:20] <mase_wk> grid spacing to none
[06:20] <mase_wk> yup that works :)
[06:20] <mase_wk> this is actually quite good, i think i'll keep this view
[06:20] <pune> ahh.  and also turn off the preview mode.  that kept it from shrinking the icons
[06:20] <pune> thanks. :)
[06:21] <mase_wk> np
[06:21] <pune> ( and that was easier than installing and setting up nautilus)
[06:21] <mase_wk> can change the text width to small as well
[06:24] <ubuntu> Hi !
[06:27] <Evoli> I'd like to install DFSee, but I don't know how to install it on Linux...
[06:29] <Evoli> Can anyone help me, please ?
[06:30] <valorie> evoli, is it in kpackagekit?
[06:30] <Evoli> I just downloaded a .zip file...
[06:30] <valorie> that's not a good idea
[06:30] <mase_wk> Evoli: generally not how it's done in the linux world
[06:30] <valorie> much better to be install the packages
[06:31] <valorie> -be
[06:31] <mase_wk> Evoli: generally you want to get all of your packages from the repositories, using something like Kpackagekit or apt
[06:31] <shinkamui> anyone know how to execute an app when lxdm starts?
[06:31] <mase_wk> Evoli: otherwise you could be downloading malicious software or absolutely anything
[06:32] <Evoli> I see...
[06:32] <DarthFrog> Evoli: Use the "unzip" utility to extract from the zip file.  Then read the instructions that should be there.
[06:33] <DarthFrog> Evoli: Might I ask what you want to do with DFSee?  Might gparted or partitionmanager do what you want?
[06:33] <Evoli> I have some problems with my harddrive
[06:34] <Evoli> Some files are corrupted... I think I'd better change my harddrive, but I'd like to try anything I could to save it
[06:34] <Evoli> And I can't start Windows anymore
[06:34] <mase_wk> Evoli: first use dd or partedmagic something like that to clone the disk
[06:35] <mase_wk> that way you don't risk losing any more data
[06:35] <DarthFrog> If you think your hard drive is failing, then replace it before it's totally useless.  You can use dd to make an image of the filesystem for file recovery.
[06:35] <valorie> evoli, according to the DFSee website, you don't need to install it
[06:35] <valorie> you can use it from a USB key
[06:35] <valorie> http://www.dfsee.com/
[06:36] <pune> valorie, you are using the latest and greatest kubuntu.  can you tell me if the default console has support for closable tabs?  there was (finally) a patch that added support for closable tabs into Qt in 4.7.2ish.  but i assume the application would also have to support it
[06:36] <mase_wk> that is one ugly website
[06:36] <mase_wk> pune: what is a closable tab ?
[06:36] <Evoli> How can I download or install dd ?
[06:36] <valorie> closeable tabs?
[06:36] <DarthFrog> pune: Konsole has tabs and they can be opened and closed at will.
[06:36] <valorie> dd is basic
[06:36] <DarthFrog> Evoli: It's already installed.
[06:36] <valorie> you have it
[06:36] <pune> like in firefox, you can click a little X on a tab inside the tab bar to close that tab
[06:37] <valorie> oh
[06:37] <mase_wk> pune: you can do that in konsole, but there is a single X
[06:37] <valorie> close tab is control+shift+W
[06:37] <mase_wk> below the scrollbar
[06:37] <DarthFrog> pune: The X isn't inside the tab but it's there, at the far right.
[06:37] <pune> Qt has had support for tabs and tab bars for a while, but never added the little X onto the tab to close them untill 4.7.2
[06:37] <Evoli> How do I launch dd ?
[06:38] <pune> DarthFrog, which Qt/konsole are you using?
[06:38] <valorie> easier to launch and close tabs from the keyboard
[06:38] <valorie> evoli, you might want to look at dd --help
[06:38] <valorie> or man dd
[06:38] <DarthFrog> Evoli: dd is a command line utiliy.  Open a console and type "man dd" to get usage instructions.  Not for newbies.
[06:38] <DarthFrog> pune: Konsole and yakuake.
[06:38] <DarthFrog> Yakuake mostly.
[06:39] <Evoli> Thanks for your help ^^
[06:39] <pune> i meant which version
[06:41] <DarthFrog> pune: Whatever comes with Natty.
[06:41] <DarthFrog> 4.6.2
[07:18] <omid_> hi.i had installed kubuntu using wubi.and accidentaly formatted the partition which contained kubuntu installition.now i want to remove it from windows boot loader and i dont want a kubuntu option to show up.(i also have openSUSE installed but it is a full instalition and has its grub bootloader)
[07:23] <valorie> !wubi
[07:23] <valorie> omid_: I don't know how to help, but hope the above is useful to you'
[08:16] <giantpune> hi guys, im back.  i have some odd issue going on with the freshly installed kubuntu 10.04.  every time i restart it, it has reset the screen resolution to 800x600 or something small.  i have to enter the settings and adjust it at each boot.  has anybody else had this issue?
[08:51] <Who> i am facing a weird issue, i am getting sound in MP3,notifications, videos but not in flash
[08:51] <Who>  i even reinstalled flash and changed few settings but still it hasn't fixed the issue :(
[09:17] <keithzg> Do you have more than one potential sound card? I've heard of a lot of strange issues with this latest release's PulseAudio device selection combined with flash.
[09:18] <Who> keithzg: well, cat /proc/asound/modules shows
[09:18] <Who>  0 snd_hda_intel
[09:18] <Who>  1 snd_hda_intel
[09:21] <keithzg> what about /proc/asound/cards ? I must admit, though, although I've heard of such problems often I'm unaware of a universal solution.
[09:22] <Who> 0 [Generic        ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
[09:22] <Who>                       HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0244000 irq 42
[09:22] <Who>  1 [SB             ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[09:22] <Who>                       HDA ATI SB at 0xf0240000 irq 16
[09:22] <FloodBotK1> Who: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:23] <Who> keithzg:  well i can see the problem here, maybe its using the generic one
[09:24] <Who> i want it to use ATI SB instead
[09:24] <keithzg> What browser are you using for flash here?
[09:25] <Who> firefox
[09:25] <keithzg> Hmm. Make sure the firefox-3.5-branding package isn't installed.
[09:25] <Who> though i even checked it in rekonq yesterday and it had the same problem
[09:26] <szal> Who: tried to play something in Flash & locate the playback stream in the mixer to put it on the other sound device?
[09:26] <keithzg> Ah. Well. Short of fiddling with padevchooser, then, I'm outta ideas.
[09:30] <Who> hmm
[09:30] <Who> it was working before, not sure what i messed up though
[11:23] <ehsan> kwin freaze when i resize windows. i use oxygen trancparent and kubuntu 11.04
[11:23] <ehsan> but in compiz work fine
[11:31] <nicolas_> Hi everyone
[11:32] <nicolas_> does anyone know if it's possible to display your screen instead of webcam in Kopete?
[11:37] <ehsan> kwin freaze when i resize windows. i use oxygen trancparent and kubuntu 11.04
[11:37] <ehsan> but in compiz work fine
[11:42] <giantpune> hey again.  does anybody know a workaround or fix for the authentication window popping up behind KPackageKit?  i see some old bug reports of it on the google machine, but never any thing to solve it
[11:46] <dnivra> hello. I'm fairly new to Kubuntu-have used ubuntu before. I went to the network applet and added the DSL connection I want to connect to just like in Ubuntu. How do I connect to it? Ubuntu listed available connections but not so in Kubuntu. I could find no help using google-most returned "Connecting to internet in Ubuntu and Kubuntu is same". I guess I'm missing something here.
[11:50] <m477> how restert X server?
[11:53] <ehsan> use gmome network manager or pppoeconf
[11:53] <ehsan> i use pppoeconf
[11:53] <dnivra> m477: try "sudo service x11-common restart". might work.
[11:54] <dnivra> ehsan: pppoeconf failed to detect any ppp connection; i tried that :).
[11:55] <ehsan> use sudo before pppoeconf
[11:55] <ehsan> or sudo pon dsl-provider
[11:55] <dnivra> "Access concentrator failed to find any" etc etc etc. that's the error message.
[11:57] <dnivra> ehsan: the gnome network manager isn't installed by default is it?
[11:57] <dnivra> in kubuntu that is. and I need to connect to internet to download-which is precisely what I need to do :)
[11:57] <ehsan> no install from synaptic or etc
[11:58] <ehsan> and run it
[11:58] <ehsan> nm-applet
[11:58] <dnivra> ehsan: to install from synaptic, i need to be connected to internet and to connect to internet, i need gnome network manager. paradox :)
[11:59] <ehsan> kubuntu dvd
[12:00] <dnivra> ehsan: the iso has the package?
[12:00] <dnivra> gotta check that out hope it's there.
[12:00] <ehsan> i think yes
[12:27] <dnivra> i guess he's not around. could someone help me with connecting to a DSL connection in kubuntu? i thought it was the same as in ubuntu but am missing something. and pppoeconf doesn't work-already tried that. "Access concentrator failed to " etc goes the error message in that case.
[12:28] <dnivra> ehsan asked me to install gnome network manager from disc-but am not able to create a startup disk with my USB; there's some problem with it. any help would be appreciated.
[12:44] <dnivra> I have a live USB of kubuntu 11.10 and would like to install network-manager-gnome from it. I do not have an internet connection. could someone tell me how to do it?
[12:52] <dnivra> has anyone connected to internet in Kubuntu by a method other than pppoeconf?
[12:54] <giantpune> rae you saying that you are at a computer now and wanting to install a network manager but there is no internet service at all for that compuer?
[12:56] <dnivra> giantpune: i am using another computer. I can connect using means such as using a mobile phone, plug in internet but not DSL.
[12:57] <dnivra> giantpune: I have an internet service at home-i've used it before with ubuntu but not with kubuntu; i'm fairly new to kde as well.
[12:57] <dnivra> i thought it was fairly the similar procedure; that is what even the internet says. but it doesn't seem to work.
[12:57] <dnivra> and neither does pppoeconf.
[12:58] <giantpune> you can grab the .debs from the computer you are at, slap them an a SD card, and put that SD card in your other PC and install them
[12:58] <dnivra> that is a solution i agree. but why is it that I cannot connect using KDE?
[12:59] <dnivra> thing is I do not know my way around KDE like gnome. That is why the question "How to connect using KDE and not command line?"
[13:01] <giantpune> i honestly have no clue.  ive only been using kde myself for a few hours
[13:02] <dnivra> and you're connected to internet in KDE?
[13:02] <giantpune> i also see in their package manager a place to add alternate software sources.  maybe it will lets you add the liveCD there like ubuntu does
[13:02] <giantpune> yes, im using ethernet to connect, but it is connected
[13:02] <dnivra> ahh ethernet. that works fine; not DSL :(
[13:03] <dnivra> oh yeah I know that but I do not have a live CD, only live USB and iso. I do not know how to add them as a source.
[13:04] <dnivra> if i did, i would have just installed the gnome one and be done with the issue :).
[13:04] <giantpune> look at kpackagekit in the settings
[13:04] <giantpune> the "other software" tab
[13:05] <giantpune> with the CD in the drive, mine has an entry for "cdrom:...."  if i were you, i would try to use "/dev/sdb2"  or mount your liveUSB and add "/media/blablabla" in there
[13:07] <dnivra> i've to specf\ify a URL i think. let me check.
[13:10] <giantpune> dnivra, look at post #4  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1403679
[13:10] <giantpune> youd have to replace "maverick" with "lucid"  but it should work
[13:11] <dnivra> looking at it. and it's natty not lucid :). 11.10.
[13:12] <dnivra> any idea what is meant by DCODE?
[13:12] <dnivra> oh wait that's the tag terminator i think :)
[13:18] <dnivra> ahh i'll try a bit later. thanks giantpune . it isn't working yet; hope it does. i lost all my package lists now :*(
[13:32] <Babalau> anyone here can help me ?
[13:40] <Kaspi> Babalau: that's quite possible, you just have to let people know what do you need to help with.
[13:41] <Babalau> Kaspi: thx.. i've found an workarround
[14:08] <muneeb> is there any widget for setting frequency scaling?
[14:28] <jmper> help one link download free cine
[14:28] <jrdnyquist> Hey, I've installed Kubuntu 11.04 (64 bit). I am having an issue where my tg3 network driver seems to have some issue. ethtool show Autoneg is on and @ 1000/full. This matches my switch and should be fine. I am howver getting framing errors in ifconfig and my connection is extremely bogged down. I don't think this is ness. a Kubuntu issue but has anyone else experienced this?
[14:29] <jmper> whats
[14:31] <mr-rich> jrdnyquist: what's your uptime?
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> 19 mins
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> I tried powering down and unplugging jsut to reset everything
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> pulled the plug
[14:32] <mr-rich> ok ... not the problem I was thinking of then ...
[14:33] <mr-rich> are you sure the right driver is installed?
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> kinda strange, I was running ubuntu 10.10 with no issues, I am assuming there may be tg3 driver issue
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> lsmod shows tg3 running
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> not sure what other options there are for broadcom
[14:33] <mr-rich> do you know which version of the driver 10.10 was running?
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> nah
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> this is what happens when there isa duplex issue usually
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> liek switch at 100/full nic at 10/half etc
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> framing errors
[14:36] <mr-rich> well, the only thing I can think to try is back porting to the driver/kernel that 10.10 was using ... I know that some of those broadcoms also have to have firmware uploaded to them at boot, so aslo check to see if you have the correct firmware version, too ...
[14:39] <mr-rich> I have to back port the tvtime program to 2 versions ago to get my tv card to work ...
[14:40] <jrdnyquist> oh man never used quassel, how do I make it word wrap? it's running off the chat screen
[14:42] <mr-rich> try KVirc instead ..
[14:51] <elchi> hi
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:55] <DarthFrog> Hide the cheese, BluesKaj is here! :-)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> hey DarthFrog :)
[14:56] <Squeak> hullo all
[14:57] <Squeak> if i'm doing a clean install of 11.04 on a system that had 10.10 on it (because the upgrade process barfed completely and left my system unusable), and i tell it to use the same partition for /home that it used to, but not to format it, what files in /home will it overwrite?
[14:57] <DarthFrog> It won't.
[14:58] <Squeak> not even any configuration files?
[14:58] <DarthFrog> I don't think so.  I've not noticed any such changes.  And I've done what you're going to do many times.
[14:59] <Squeak> gracias senor :)
[14:59] <DarthFrog> It might add some files (ala KDE3 to KDE4).
[14:59] <Squeak> I
[14:59] <Squeak> I'm pretty sure I was at the latest kde version anyway, backports enabled
[14:59] <BluesKaj> yup, Squeak your data should be ok
[15:00] <Squeak> fortunately my important data's all on other disks on a mirror
[15:00] <BluesKaj> done that at least 5 times myself without any probs
[15:00] <Squeak> cool, here goes :)
[15:02] <Squeak> while i'm here, I have another minor issue on another PC
[15:02] <Squeak> after an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, the background of the kicker app launcher is utterly garbled, and it's unusable
[15:02] <Squeak> anyone else seen anything like that?
[15:03] <DarthFrog> I have 3 partitions on my hard disk for Kubuntu: one 20 GB for the current Kubuntu root system, one 20 GB for the previous Kubuntu version and a 960 GB one that's mounted on /home.  When the next version of Kubuntu reaches beta status, I install it on the partition that contains the previous version and switch to it.
[15:03] <Squeak> http://oi55.tinypic.com/96kkt0.jpg
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Squeak, no plasma panel there , wonder if that has any effect?
[15:06] <Squeak> it's on a panel, just with the bare naked background
[15:06] <Squeak> but I still get the same effect if I use the oxygen plasma theme
[15:06] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:06] <BluesKaj> deskt effects enabled?
[15:07] <Squeak> yep
[15:07] <mr-rich> Is there a website that explains the differences between all the flavors of Ubuntu (K, X ED, etc)?
[15:07] <DarthFrog> mr-rich:  Ask the bot:
[15:07] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu | mr-rich
[15:07] <DarthFrog> !xubuntu | mr-rich
[15:07] <Squeak> and I get the same if I turn desktop effects off
[15:08] <mr-rich> !edubuntu
[15:09] <t2_> hi, is it a good idea to disable Nepomuk file indexing on a laptop ?  I don't search often so I don't really care about the speed
[15:10] <t2_> or does it also index for Alt-F2 runner ?
[15:10] <DarthFrog> t2_: Krunner is indexed.
[15:10] <DarthFrog> Which I find to be a nuisance.
[15:11] <t2_> DarthFrog: sorry I didn't understand, so if I disable Nepmuk Krunner won't update ?  I'm thinking of using Gnome-do to replace it
[15:12] <briandw1969> having probs with package manager
[15:15] <BluesKaj> t2_, I always turn nepomuk off , if I need krunner it because I'm editing and doin new stuff and followig a trutorial which normally tells me the ile pats anyway
[15:15] <DarthFrog> t2_: Krunner will run just fine, with or without Nepomuk.  If Nepomuk is disabled however, it won't have the same search ability.
[15:15] <briandw1969> hey guys
[15:16] <BluesKaj> gawd this kb
[15:16] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  It can't spell. :-)
[15:16] <briandw1969> lol
[15:17] <briandw1969> install from package manager doesnt seem to work
[15:17] <Squeak> damn, that was a quick install
[15:26] <t2_> what was the name of the tool/utility that helps you take a break every so minutes ?
[15:26] <t2_> It had a GTK interface from what I recall
[15:28] <PhilRod_> rsibreak used to exist
[15:28] <PhilRod_> dunno if it got ported to kde 4
[15:29] <Squeak> put a bash script to call "sleep 600 && reboot" in your startup scripts :)
[15:29] <Squeak> (disclaimer: don't actually do that)
[15:42] <klaus> Hallo an alle
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I've been looking at tutorials for methods that will automount remote music and video files on a networked pc  ..been try some autofs tutorials using sshfs, but the symlink and automount strings in / etc/auto/sshfs and /etc/auto.master don't mount the folders There arent any errors when I do "autofs start" , and even outputs a running message but really there's nothing happening at all. This an attempt automount at boot . I can manually mount the
[15:50] <BluesKaj> folders
[16:05] <elchi> hhhh
[16:05] <elchi> hmmmm .... ich komme hier noch nicht so ganz klar
[16:06] <[Po]lentino> de ! elchi
[16:06] <elchi> ??
[16:07] <James147> !de | elchi
[16:09] <Thinkerer68> Something strange happened.
[16:09] <Thinkerer68> I transferred about 8 GB of files over Samba and all of them were corrupted  :-/
[16:10] <Thinkerer68> About 20 different files were corrupted in all.
[16:10] <Thinkerer68> weird
[17:05] <chachan> guys, which are the best IRC clients of KDE in your opinion?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> chachan, I use Konversation , altho the default is quassel, which is good as well , but it's a matter of taste mostly...some evn use xchat
[17:10] <Tm_T> or irssi, or ...
[17:11] <Tm_T> !best
[17:12] <chachan> yeah, I think is matter of taste, and I don't want to make a poll here hehe, sorry
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, I use the scp command to copy files while sshd into the source pc , it works very well and is a lot daster then samba
[17:16] <BluesKaj> faster
[17:17] <Thinkerer68> I don't run sshd.
[17:17] <Thinkerer68> I need Samba because my LAN has Windows and Mac computers
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, bummer :(
[17:18] <Thinkerer68> Samba is a kind of lowest common denominator.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> yeah
[17:18] <BluesKaj> altho puTTY seems to work with windows
[17:19] <Thinkerer68> I know about putty
[17:19] <Thinkerer68> TBH I don't know how to configure sshd securely.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I tried a couple of other ssh clients/servers for windows but the guis are hard to read on this monitor , for windows smb it is
[17:20] <BluesKaj> ssh is secure
[17:20] <Thinkerer68> The idea of any kind of remote login scares the bejeepers out of me.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> imeant ssh'd into
[17:21] <BluesKaj> remote as in past the routers on the internet or on a LAN ?
[17:22] <Thinkerer68> Well, I can block SSH ports on my router. Problem is that I can't block _all_ ports on my router.
[17:23] <Thinkerer68> I am also not convinced that closing ports on the router would be enought to prevent intelligent attackers from gaining access.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> port 22 is the default port for ssh behind a router
[17:24] <Thinkerer68> ^ Using default ports is not good security.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> are you keeping corporate secrets or someting ?
[17:24] <Thinkerer68> No, but I am paranoid about my data.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> paranoid is probly correct since samba isn't nearly as secure so i think your paranoia is misdirected
[17:26] <BluesKaj> but that's your call
[17:26] <Thinkerer68> Samba is not routable by default. NetBIOS stops at the LAN because it was not designed to be routable to begin with.
[17:27] <Thinkerer68> In order to make Samba shares accessible outside the LAN one must run an WINS server.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ssh encryption works well over the net ...seems very secure from all reports
[17:29] <Thinkerer68> Maybe it is, but I still wouldn't want my host exposed to the Internet
[17:29] <James147> Thinkerer68: unless you forward the port in your router it wont be exposed
[17:30] <BluesKaj> James147, thx you took the words right of my KB :)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> off
[17:30] <Thinkerer68> I understand that.
[17:31] <Thinkerer68> But security is best applied in layers.
[17:31] <James147> and if anything should be exposed then ssh is as good as anything ^^
[17:31] <Thinkerer68> At any rate, SSH is not the solution to my Samba woes.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> bah,we had this discussion before ...no point
[17:32] <Thinkerer68> It's fine. I don't mind the discussion.
[17:34] <Thinkerer68> upon first reboot after upgrading from Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty to kubuntu 9.10 Karmic I got this message in TTY2: "could not access PID file for nmbd"
[17:35] <Thinkerer68> I have not rebooted the newly upgraded system since then.
[17:37] <Thinkerer68> tty8: "init: ureadahead-other main process (893) terminated with status 4"
[18:09] <blip-> hi all, anyone know how often playonlinux get's updated in the repos ?  Am I better of downloading the the ubuntu deb package from POL website ?
[18:31] <areichman> can anybody recommend a good, free proxy for accessing US based content from france?
[18:43] <katsrc> what's the best equalizer settings for Trance music on Amarok?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> katsrc, none , trance isn't music :)
[18:45] <katsrc> lol
[18:45] <katsrc> wish there was a preset
[18:49] <BluesKaj> katsrc, there eqs in the repos / package managers
[18:50] <katsrc> BluesKaj: are they for amarok?
[18:50] <katsrc> or general equalizers?
[18:52] <katsrc> BluesKaj: there was a good scrip for Amarok 1
[18:52] <katsrc> autoEQ
[18:52] <katsrc> script*
[18:52] <BluesKaj> depends on  what backend you use I dunno for sure since I don't use amarok , I use vlc as a backend in phonon.. I guess if I used the eq in vlc it should apply globally
[18:54] <BluesKaj> more and more ppl are dropping gstreamer and xine as their bottom line audio server, katsrc , since vlc is so verstile
[18:55] <Peace-> vlc rulez hi BluesKaj
[18:55] <katsrc> BluesKaj: VLC does this weird static thing during the intro of whatever i play on it
[18:55] <katsrc> but that's really interesting
[18:55] <katsrc> i'll check it out
[19:00] <BluesKaj> katsrc, do use pulseaudio ?
[19:00] <katsrc> BluesKaj: it's set to default
[19:01] <katsrc> i use Xine with Phonon
[19:01] <katsrc> is Pulse default with Kubuntu 11.04?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> katsrc, yes
[19:03] <woodzy_> HELP! How do I download the source code to packages I've already downloaded?
[19:05] <blip99> hi, is there a way to bind the Meta/Win key to have it open up the "start menu" like it does on Windows ?
[19:07] <katsrc> BluesKaj: thanks, I played around with the VLC audio source and it fixed the issue
[19:07] <BluesKaj> katsrc, cool :)
[19:08] <BluesKaj> blip99, the startmenu for window equivalent is the kmenu kicker in the plasma panel .
[19:09] <blip99> BluesKaj: yes kmenu, is there a command I can bind to open it the menu itself ?
[19:09] <blip99> BluesKaj: there is no 'kmenu' binary that I can run from command line
[19:10] <woodzy_> HELP! How do I download the source code to packages I've already downloaded?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> blip99,sorry dunno
[19:14] <BluesKaj> woodzy_, follow the readme in the extracted application folder
[19:23] <woodzy_> ok thx blueskaj
[19:24] <BluesKaj> ppl forget about readmes , saves alot of googling
[19:44] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: there is a source code repository you can enable in your package managaer
[19:57] <junrrein> does someone know if kde 4.6.3 packages will be available por kubuntu 10.10?
[19:59] <junrrein> is someone there?
[20:00] <junrrein> can someone answer me a pair of questions?
[20:02] <eMyller> hi all
[20:02] <junrrein> hi
[20:03] <eMyller> why is natty so unstable on intel-based pcs? :(
[20:03] <Thinkerer68> hi
[20:03] <junrrein> i don't know, i was just about to ask if there are any issues upgrading to natty :P
[20:03] <eMyller> i really love it for bringing python 2.7, kde 4.6 and some new stuff in, but it's failing so much that i'm tempted to go back to maverick :\
[20:04] <eMyller> junrrein: if you're on a intel based chipset, don't, for the sake of your humor.
[20:04] <eMyller> kded4 is freezing all the time, eating 30~50% of CPU
[20:04] <junrrein> thanks, i'll remember that. and i'm on an intel based chipset
[20:04] <junrrein> mmm
[20:04] <eMyller> i have to kill it everytime, but then all the system gets 'desynced'
[20:04] <junrrein> have you tried login in with another user?
[20:05] <eMyller> junrrein: yep
[20:05] <eMyller> junrrein: actually, i made a clean install, so i don't think that user stuff may cause problems
[20:06] <junrrein> actually, it was reported that in fresh installs, kde 4.6 could freeze like hell like you say, and it could be solved by creating another user and using it
[20:06] <eMyller> also, i use a 3g connection as default; everytime i lose the conn, the system breaks up
[20:06] <junrrein> but i don't think it's related with your problem then :/
[20:06] <junrrein> what a pain
[20:06] <eMyller> i'm forced to restart everything in order to get back to work :\
[20:06] <eMyller> (and it's freaking annoying)
[20:07] <junrrein> what a shame
[20:07] <eMyller> hm, i'll try to create another user, anyway
[20:07] <eMyller> i've already done that, but i just imported the confs from another box
[20:07] <eMyller> i'll do it cleanly
[20:07] <junrrein> are you sure there isn't any PPA for python 2.7 for maverick?
[20:07] <junrrein> mmm
[20:08] <eMyller> junrrein: even if there is one, using it may break everything up
[20:08] <eMyller> because all the system depends on 2.6.*
[20:08] <eMyller> actually, i'm considering switching temporarily to gnome, because i need natty stuff :(
[20:09] <eMyller> but hell, i don't know what sucks more: gnome or broken kde
[20:09] <junrrein> thanks for the explanation, i didn't knew that
[20:09] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:11] <junrrein> eMyller: is kde 4.6.3 going to be packaged for maverick?
[20:11] <eMyller> junrrein: undoubtly
[20:12] <junrrein> i don't want to sound rude but are you sure or is it just your assumption?
[20:13] <kubuntuu> HI, I'd like to install the new kubuntu 11.04. I'm on a 10.10 now. If I install the 11.04, will grub always be there (to choose between windows and linux) ?
[20:13] <eMyller> junrrein: every new kde release will be backported until the support cycle ends.
[20:13] <eMyller> kubuntuu: most likely
[20:13] <junrrein> eMyller: ok, thank you
[20:14] <eMyller> junrrein: except if some very rare exception comes up
[20:14] <junrrein> eMyller: one more question: when you tried the live cd, was it frozen like after the install?
[20:14] <eMyller> junrrein: i havent played much with the live cd
[20:15] <eMyller> i think i didn't give it opportunity to break
[20:15] <junrrein> eMyller: hahaha thank you
[20:15] <kubuntuu> eMyller: are you saying that If I delete the 10.10 and I install the 11.04 so grub screen boot will stay?
[20:16] <eMyller> kubuntuu: it should be the default behavior of the installation
[20:16] <junrrein> eMyller: i was trying chakra linux (pure kde) but firefox was very crashy on the live session :(
[20:16] <eMyller> kubuntuu: i can't tell you it WILL happen because i'm not on a dual-boot box; but it must happen, at least.
[20:16]  * eMyller doesn't use firefox anymore
[20:17] <junrrein> eMyller: what do you use for browsing?
[20:17] <kubuntuu> eMyller thanks a lot. I'm gonna install tha.
[20:17] <eMyller> lol i was a mozilla dude and now i'm a chromium fan :P
[20:17] <eMyller> kubuntuu: good luck. :)
[20:18] <areichman> +1 for chromium :-)
[20:18] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't like the download manager in chromium :(
[20:18] <junrrein> does anyone know of a good download manager for chromium?
[20:18] <junrrein> it's the only thing holding me from using it
[20:19] <eMyller> it's just simple and works well; i'm not any fan of it too, tho
[20:19] <eMyller> junrrein: wget :P
[20:19] <eMyller> use an external one
[20:19] <eMyller> [kget sucks]
[20:19] <FloodBotK1> eMyller: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:19] <eMyller> lol i'm typing too fast. haha
[20:20] <junrrein> eMyller: what a smartass :P is there something with a gui? :/
[20:20] <junrrein> haha
[20:20] <eMyller> junrrein: sure there is. i don't have a favorite, you better look at the repos
[20:20] <eMyller> junrrein: i used fatrat once; it's not kde-based, but is qt-based, at least.
[20:21] <junrrein> eMyller: thank you, i'll try that :)
[20:21] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't have any problem with gtk
[20:21] <eMyller> i do.
[20:22] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:22] <eMyller> just because it's ugly -- oxygen-gtk been saving that -- and because gtk apps tend to fill me home dir with conf files frenetically.
[20:22] <eMyller> s/me/my
[20:23] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't use oxygen, i use a pretty decent qtcurve style, so it looks pretty good in gtk too. I never had the problems you mention. What does that mean?
[20:24] <eMyller> do a ls -la in a fresh kde install. then do the same in a fresh gnome install.
[20:24] <eMyller> * ls -la ~
[20:25] <eMyller> then do it in your own install. couldn't that be cleaner?
[20:25] <junrrein> i see what you mean. i'm starting to think you are bugged by everything :P but i understand your need for cleanness
[20:26] <eMyller> i'm just a perfectionist guy. :P
[20:27] <eMyller> hey, check http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3116537.0 out
[20:27] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:27] <junrrein> hey thanks. i'll read that
[20:35] <Edward_Nigma> hey
[20:35] <junrrein> hi
[20:38] <him> any one there?
[20:38] <blazen> yea
[20:39] <Edward_Nigma> me... but kinda busy
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> i am trying to remember a name of a ubuntu app
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> but i'm not being sucesfull
[20:40] <blazen> aww. good luck
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> thx
[20:44] <meatmachine> Hey dudes and dudets. How's it hangin'?
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> ooh
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> i remembered
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> fak that was hard .-.
[20:52] <blazen> and what name was it?
[20:53] <Edward_Nigma> conky lol
[20:53] <blazen> lol :)
[20:53] <Edward_Nigma> my mind made a huge confusion on names
[21:03] <blazen> ajaj.. me too
[21:12] <woodzy_> Thinkerer68: i have it enabled but how do i download after the fact?
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> compiz in kde?
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> in 11.4 it shows me 2 transparent windows near panels
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> anybody have seen that?
[21:15] <MaximLevitsky> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/snapshot2g.png/
[21:15] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: same as any other package. look up the source you want in the package manager and select it for installation
[21:16] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: TBH though, I've never actually tried this before. It only makes sense though, so call me stupid if it doesn't work  :P
[21:17] <woodzy_> i thought there was an easy way to download all the source code for the installed packages i already have. :)
[21:17] <MaximLevitsky> any ideas?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, if you have compiz /ccsm install it's rather redundant , if you have desktop effects enabled as well . To me compiz isn't necessary anymore
[21:21] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, hence you probly have compz and desktop effects running simultaneously
[21:21] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: please stop trolling!
[21:21] <BluesKaj> hehe
[21:21] <erebus> do i install wine with sudo apt-get wine?
[21:23] <BluesKaj> erebus, yes, or with kpackagekit
[21:23] <erebus> BluesKaj: any restricted extras package to get?\
[21:24] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricrted-extras is usually recommended , for flash, java and multimedia codecs etc
[21:25] <erebus> BluesKaj: if i have it
[21:25] <erebus> it tells me right?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricrted-extras contains flash, java and multimedia codecs etc
[21:26] <BluesKaj> sorry i should have been more clear on that, erebus
[21:26] <erebus> BluesKaj: what is the package for libreoffice?
[21:27] <BluesKaj> erebus, if you have it alrady , it wn't install
[21:28] <BluesKaj> libreoffice  is the pckage , erebus
[21:29] <erebus> kk
[21:29] <erebus> ty
[21:31] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, btw i wasn't trolling , some ppl aren't aware of the desktop effects in the newer releases, I had to mention it because i don't know what you know ..we're not mindreaders here
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: I though you say, stop using compiz, switch to kwin...
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> if not, then sorry!
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> btw kwin isn't bad at all, it just is too slow with nouveau
[21:33] <MaximLevitsky> I wanted to use compiz to see if it has the same problem
[21:33] <MaximLevitsky> compiz in gnome works superb
[21:33] <BluesKaj> that's just my personal prefernce , it's an example of uses and options available
[21:34] <BluesKaj> nouveau ,,hmm thats; the default driver if you haven't chosen to to install the recommended one in additional drivers
[21:35] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: I know it very well, and it works here very well
[21:35] <MaximLevitsky> in fact nvidia blob crashes kwin outright when I use the cube....
[21:35] <m477> i did upgarde ( 11.04 ) and unity crashed down and i dont have windows frame, what to return it?
[21:35] <m477> reboots dont help
[21:39] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, seems to me I've had this discussion about nvidia driver before ...not going there. too busy doing other stuff today
[21:40] <BluesKaj> m477, ask in #ubuntu
[22:00] <erebus> BluesKaj: how can i install disper package?
[22:02] <dniMretsaM> wut is a disper package?
[22:02] <erebus> http://willem.engen.nl/projects/disper/
[22:03] <dniMretsaM> compile the source from the GZipped tarball?
[22:04] <BluesKaj> nm , he left
[22:05] <BluesKaj> dniMretsaM, I use unp decompress the file , then follow the readme to compile
[22:05] <BluesKaj>  use unp to decompress
[22:15] <dniMretsaM> does anybody know how to have the taskbar items (what you would click on to maximize a window) in a panel only for the desktop that it's in?
[22:15] <dniMretsaM> I liked that when i used GNOME, but I can't figure out how to do that on KDE
[22:25] <yofel> dniMretsaM: in the task manager settings you can enable 'only show tasks from the current desktop'
[22:26] <dniMretsaM> yofel: thanks!
[22:50] <Cammy> Hi, when I partitioned and formatted this drive, I made the Swap partition 2GB, put it at the start of the drive, but Kubuntu doesn't even use it
[22:51] <Cammy> Is there a way to tell it where this swap partition is so I don't keep running out of RAM
[22:58] <orys_> hello ;-)
[23:08] <orys_> guys, I have problem with pulseaudio. I have two sound cards in my system and it puts the one I don't want on the top and the one I want on the bottom. I removed the one from BIOS, but it's still in pulseaudio (but grey) and he still puts it on front
[23:08] <orys_> I can't change it - my changes aren't saved. File rights problem? Where it saves it?
[23:10] <amichair> is there a way to see a torrent's hash in ktorrent?
[23:11] <coz_> hey guys,, ok  switched to kde desktop,,,   apparenlty there is an issue with the plassma wiidget window ,, ghosting after its  closed,, an alt+F4   closes it but reappears on next login,, I am sure that will be fixed,, however,, since I am most likely going to move to kde permanently,,   with gnome3  caca  on it's way,, i do need to have a single wallpaper  across both monitors on this dual monitor set up
[23:12] <coz_> and this   has not been fixed  for about a year
[23:15] <dniMretsaM> amichair: not that I know ot. I use qBittorrent though, so I might be missing something
[23:27] <Cammy> Hey guys, if you need some help with Kubuntu, I have found you may get more success if you ask in an Amiga OS channel rather than a Linux one
[23:28] <Cammy> Those guys seem smarter and more friendly and willing to help anyway
[23:30] <James147> Cammy: are you insulting us?
[23:32] <Thinkerer68> lol
[23:33] <Thinkerer68> Amiga OS  :P
[23:35] <Cammy> No, I'm telling the truth, take it how you want
[23:35] <Cammy> Amiga OS guys seem a lot more open minded
[23:35] <Cammy> They've branched out beyond the big three
[23:36] <Cammy> Like wise old nomads that wander the net, fixing things where they go
[23:37] <Thinkerer68> Cammy: Can I run Amiga OS on my A500 ?
[23:38] <seidos> Amiga OS isn't open sores
[23:38] <seidos> (sic)
[23:54] <Belial> Hi there, I currently have 10.04 Ubuntu installed, after looking at 11.04, seems I would like to shift to KDE. Is there a supported upgrade path from 10.04 Ubuntu to Kubuntu, or to keep things clean am I better off with a clean install and restoring data from backups?
[23:57] <James147> Belial: install kubuntu-desktop then:
[23:57] <James147> !purekde
[23:57] <James147> then upgrade as normal
[23:57] <orys_> Belial: from my experience, there is even not a working path from Kubuntu 10... to 11.. :D
[23:57] <orys_> o James, hi ;-)
[23:57] <Belial> Thanks James147, obiously asked enough to ahve the bot pre-loaded, apologies :)
[23:58] <James147> Belial: though to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 you will ahve to upgrade to 10.10 first
[23:58] <Belial> James147: Asking for more trouble than a clean install?
[23:58]  * James147 notes that 11.04 is not an LTS
[23:59] <James147> Belial: that depends on how customised you have made your install
[23:59] <James147> Belial: you are able to keep /home intact if you reinstall and NO NOT format the drive with /home on
[23:59] <James147> (though always take backups of important stuff)
[23:59] <James147> so you dont ahve to lose user settings