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kristian_I habitually shut down with "sudo poweroff" run from a terminal... is it a bad idea?00:01
geirhaDepends on whether you're running xorg or not.00:02
geirhaMany X applications won't manage to save their settings/state when you kill them.00:03
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^zenhoobb-ithi to all, my friends! ;-)01:48
^zenhoobb-ithow are you?01:48
^zenhoobb-ithey drubin ! nhandler ! ibuclaw ! tronyx !01:55
holstein^zenhoobb-it: check out #ubuntu-beginners-team :)02:07
holsteinoh well...02:07
SpaceDuck_I'm unable to sudo after upgrading to 11.04 - It says Authentication failure, but I know the password is correct05:09
SpaceDuck_any  ideas?05:09
holsteinSpaceDuck_: re-confirm the password is correct05:11
holsteinthen, do something like open synaptic05:11
holsteinas normal user05:11
holsteinsee if your normal user has somehow become root05:11
SpaceDuck_synaptic accepts the password05:12
holsteinbut, you were prompted..05:12
holsteinSpaceDuck_: whats the exact error?05:12
SpaceDuck_yep, prompted on launch05:14
SpaceDuck_su: Authentication failure05:14
holsteini get that when i try05:16
holsteinsu root05:16
holsteinSpaceDuck_: try05:16
holsteinsudo apt-get update05:16
SpaceDuck_that works, it asked for the password for my username05:17
holsteinand worked fine?05:17
SpaceDuck_yep, package list updated05:18
holsteininteresting05:18
holsteinmaybe the issue is more with the command you are trying to run05:18
SpaceDuck_I was just typing "su"05:18
SpaceDuck_no parameters05:19
holsteinoh yeah05:19
holsteinyou cant do that05:19
holsteinin buntu05:19
holsteintheres not a traditional root user like that05:20
holsteinyou just sudo05:20
holsteinif you want a root shell05:20
holsteinyou run05:20
holsteinsudo -s05:20
SpaceDuck_like "sudo conky&"05:20
holsteinsudo whatever05:21
holsteinor sudo -s05:21
holsteinthen whatever05:21
SpaceDuck_holstein, thanks05:24
holsteinSpaceDuck_: anytime :)05:24
SpaceDuck_I thought I was using "su" before upgrading.... maybe not05:24
holsteinyou can change it05:24
holsteini wouldnt suggest it though05:25
holsteinbut, it can be done05:25
holsteinmaybe you did that05:25
holsteinand an upgrade 'fixed' it ?05:25
SpaceDuck_Do you happen to know of the app that lets you monitor connections to apache in realtime?05:25
SpaceDuck_I just can't remember what its called.05:26
holsteinmaybe http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/visitors.1.html ?05:27
holsteinmaybe webalizer?05:28
holsteinim not sure05:28
SpaceDuck_I'm actually thinking now it's not an app. It the a command to return the the most recent entries of the logfile.05:31
SpaceDuck_some grep thing I think05:31
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rror404NotFoundbioterror:06:53
rror404NotFoundholstein:06:53
bioterroryou said you will come back after 5 years06:53
bioterrordid I sleep for 5 years or what?!06:53
rror404NotFoundlol06:53
rror404NotFounddo you feel well rested?06:54
rror404NotFoundits possible06:54
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Error404NotFounddoes that mean yer not gonna help me for 5 yrs bioterror06:56
Error404NotFoundguess so06:57
* Error404NotFound cries07:00
kristian_hi07:01
kristian_I forgot how to start a program in an SSH sesssion... I have "xterm -e ssh user@host"... but how do I get it to start a program on the host box?07:03
Error404NotFoundbioterror:07:03
yax51does anyone know anything about the PCSX project?07:04
xardas008kristian_, you mean a program an the computer you connected to?07:04
geirhaxterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands;'07:04
kristian_hello xardas008 - yes07:04
kristian_hi geirha - the xterm shuts down just after I give my password when I try that07:06
yax51or better yet, a PS emulator that will allow me to play my PS discs...07:06
holsteinError404NotFound: pong07:07
Error404NotFoundping07:07
Error404NotFounddude i swear my computer is broken07:07
geirhakristian_: add a read afterwards: xterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands; read'07:08
holsteinError404NotFound: start testing hardware07:08
Error404NotFoundit worked...07:08
Error404NotFoundstill works in windows07:09
geirhaxterm closes as soon as all commands you told it to run is complete. The read will make it wait for you to hit enter before closing.07:09
Error404NotFoundi just reinstalled natty07:09
Error404NotFoundand the stupid nics dont work07:09
Error404NotFoundwireless barely works07:10
holsteinError404NotFound: i would pick one at a time07:11
holsteinand just start troubleshooting07:11
Error404NotFoundhow07:11
Error404NotFoundit all worked07:11
Error404NotFoundfor almost a month07:11
Error404NotFoundubuntu worked great07:11
holsteinwhat version?07:12
holstein10.04?07:12
Error404NotFoundnatty07:12
holsteinthats what i would try*07:12
kristian_geirha, hurm.... still not working07:13
Error404NotFoundwish i knew why wireless has no speed07:13
holsteinfor me07:13
holsteini usually get hardware working07:13
Error404NotFoundliteraly bytes per sec07:13
holsteinfrom the live CD07:13
holstein*before* installing07:14
geirhakristian_: Hm. This works for me: xterm -e ssh localhost 'echo hello; read'07:14
holsteini usually try a few07:14
holsteinthe LTS07:14
holsteinthe current07:14
holsteinknoppix07:14
holsteinwhatever i can use07:14
Error404NotFoundholstein: when i installed my nicsx just worked07:14
holsteinError404NotFound: what broke them?07:15
Error404NotFoundupdated during install07:15
holsteinupdates?07:15
holsteinright07:15
Error404NotFoundi have no clue07:15
holsteinso, dont update07:15
kristian_geirha, that works for me to07:15
holsteinOR, take more control over what updates07:15
Error404NotFoundim on a diff hdd and they didnt work when i started my install07:15
kristian_but, what I need to run is ncmpcpp, and it segfaults07:15
Error404NotFoundit has to be hardware07:15
Error404NotFoundi would think07:16
kristian_Error404NotFound, flaky wifi?07:16
holsteinError404NotFound: you still have windows installed right?07:16
holsteinif so, test it there07:16
Error404NotFounddiff hdd07:16
Error404NotFoundboth ethernet ports work in windows07:16
holsteinright, but all the other hardware is the same no?07:16
Error404NotFound50+ mbps07:16
Error404NotFoundyes07:16
holsteinError404NotFound: if they both work in windows07:16
holsteinthen, its not hardware07:16
Error404NotFoundjust a raptor in a hdd dock07:16
holsteinits driver/kernel related i say07:17
Error404NotFoundwhy when i installed the first time did the internet work07:17
kristian_I hate to say this, but I have experienced *terrible* wifi on some ubuntu installations07:17
Error404NotFoundb4 install07:17
holsteinError404NotFound: like i said, if you updated07:17
holsteina kernel update could break that07:17
kristian_10.4 to be exact07:17
Error404NotFound.....07:17
Error404NotFoundi am installing natty07:18
Error404NotFoundclean07:18
geirhakristian_: Hm. Sounds like a bug with ncmpcpp, then.07:18
holsteinError404NotFound: right07:18
Error404NotFoundnew hdd07:18
holsteinyou might want to try 10.1007:18
holsteinlive07:18
holsteinand 10.0407:18
geirhakristian_: As a shot in the dark, try with uxterm07:18
Error404NotFoundim asking07:18
holsteini mean, we could refer to 10.10 and 11.04 as 'testing' releases07:18
Error404NotFoundwhy would ethernet work the first time i installed07:18
kristian_geirha, ncmpcpp *is* buggy - I actually have to run an alias for it07:18
Error404NotFoundbut not now07:18
holsteinError404NotFound: because thats *prior* to the upgrade07:18
Error404NotFoundupgrade of what!?07:19
holsteinthat had a potential kernel update07:19
geirhakristian_: Oh, that alias probably doesn't get used07:19
holsteinor something else that broke funcionality07:19
holsteinError404NotFound: system package updates07:19
holsteinupgrades*07:19
Error404NotFounddid you not see me say new hdd fresh install07:19
Error404NotFoundsame natty cd07:19
kristian_(it's the latest unstable version, so buggy is expected)07:19
holsteinError404NotFound: i also saw you say 'updated during install'07:19
holsteinanyways07:20
holsteinError404NotFound: you can figure it out07:20
Error404NotFoundnoooooooooooooooo07:20
Error404NotFoundthe nics dont work07:20
Error404NotFoundas in no internet during install07:20
holsteinError404NotFound: right07:20
holsteinright07:20
holsteini get it07:20
holsteinbut, im out for now07:20
holsteini would try google07:20
Error404NotFoundthey worked the first time i installed ubuntu07:20
geirhakristian_: Add all the options the alias adds07:20
holsteinwith the lspci info07:20
kristian_geirha, it's in .bash_aliases07:20
holsteingoogle or the SE of your choice07:20
holsteinGN all...07:20
geirhakristian_: Yes, that won't be read by a non-interactive shell.07:21
Error404NotFoundlpednone of that he;07:21
yax51anyone know of a PS emulator that will allow me to play me PS discs? not the ISO's or ROMS07:21
kristian_but yes, it seems to be ignored07:21
Error404NotFoundnone of that helped07:21
geirhakristian_: And even if you told it to specifically source it, aliases are disabled by default in non-interactive shells.07:22
kristian_nice to know07:23
kristian_can't do much, tried running top this way... no luck07:24
geirhakristian_: I see it's a curses program. You probably need to use ssh -t then07:24
geirhaxterm -e ssh -t localhost 'top'  # should work07:25
kristian_geirha, progress!07:26
kristian_-t was the flag I forgot, yes07:26
kristian_geirha, yeah, I got it07:33
kristian_alias ncmpcpp-lugosi="xterm -e ssh -t kristian@192.168.0.199 'strace -o ~/bug.txt ncmpcpp; rm ~/bug.txt; read'" - it was this simple all along ;)07:34
geirhaI don't think you need the read in that case07:35
geirhaAnd it crashes if you don't run it with strace?07:35
kristian_yeah07:42
geirhaWow, crazy.07:43
kristian_yeah, I filed a report on it... the strange thing is that it gives an mpd error message but it's ncmpcpp that is crashing07:43
kristian_this is the unstable ncmpcpp like I mentioned, though...07:44
kristian_but glad to get it running, thanks07:44
yax51I seem to be having issues getting my PnP game controller to work...07:48
Fvichi all,can anyone please tell where to start in packaging.i read packaging guide on someone recomdation but where to apply it in rea aaplications?07:50
xardas008Fvic, did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?07:51
Fvicxardas008, it was mentioned their only to read that guide.i should go through that again...is it mention their the next step07:55
yax51anyone know how to setup a generic PnP gamepad? I can't seem to get mine to work...09:05
yax51I found this thread, but it still doesn't seem to work....09:07
yax51http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330607&highlight=set+gamepad09:07
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* nlsthzn waves10:15
yax51anyone still alive?10:52
bioterrornope10:52
bioterrorI just died10:52
nit-witbarely10:52
xardas008why should we be dead?10:52
yax51just wondering...10:53
yax51does anyoen know about the xboxdrv?10:54
nit-wityoou woke us up for that.10:57
nit-wit;)10:57
yax51yes, I've been working on it since 11pm, and I would like to think that your pron can wait :P11:00
xardas008yax51, did you sleep?11:01
yax51no, am having some issues trying to compile the dang thing, and am not going to let this thing beat me11:01
yax51it's only 3am here....11:01
xardas008hello MrChrisDruif11:02
xardas008hm, what's the error message yax51 ?11:02
yax51http://paste.ubuntu.com/606855/11:03
xardas008puh that's strange, which program should that be?11:05
yax51thats the terminal output with scons11:07
xardas008did you read the install instructions? Maybe you need to set a flag so it will work?11:09
yax51ummm I am not sure what I did.....but it worked.......11:12
xardas008sometimes sleeping works, it's like rebooting your computer11:12
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yax51hehehe true, but I am on a night schedual, so I won't be going to bed for at least anothe few hours11:16
yax51:)11:16
yax51woot woot now I can play ff5 on my pc!!!11:19
bioterrorfirefox 511:19
bioterrorthey just released 411:20
xardas008i think he means final fantasy 5 xD11:20
yax51final fantasy 5 :D11:20
xardas008because you can't play with firefox11:20
yax51yes you can.......11:21
xardas008ok when you test some strange things or play browser games xD11:21
yax51yup, ok so heres the next question, I am creating a launcher, and in the .sh file how do I run the sudo command to automatically enter my password?11:23
xardas008why automatically?11:24
xardas008wouldn't it be a security risk because your password stands in the sh file?11:24
yax51it could be yes, but with a sudo command in the .sh file apparently doesn't call for a password....11:26
xardas008ok you can specify something in the /etc/sudoers file that sudo does not need a password i think11:27
xardas008but if this will be good depends on you11:27
yax51aaah got it. cool thanks!!11:28
MrChrisDruifDoes anybody know which Linux alternative I can best use compared to Skype? (Skype never really worked for me)12:07
MrChrisDruifFor a small comparison: http://askubuntu.com/questions/41970/what-floss-skype-alternatives-are-available12:08
bioterrorekiga?12:17
bioterrorthey all suck if you compare to skype, trolololooooo12:17
MrChrisDruifbioterror; Skype is "not good" (as in the functional way not good)...what is my best shot with an opensource alternative?12:21
bioterrorthere's no other client than skype that talks skype protocol12:22
bioterrorthat's the biggest problem12:22
MrChrisDruifWell....not if your family etc isn't really on skype ;)12:22
bioterrorI would go for ekiga, it's the default in ubuntu?, right?12:24
MrChrisDruifbioterror; Used to be I think. Empathy is default IM and it's got support for Gtalk with Video Chat....so I'm not sure what to do12:26
bioterrorgtalk might be the thing12:27
rileyphi13:05
MrChrisDruifAloha rileyp13:17
rileyphi13:23
rileypwhen running mythbuntu installatll cd iselect manual partition and13:24
M0hi#ubuntu-beginners-team13:33
M0hiGrrrr13:33
geirhaYou're mad at the ubuntu-beginners-team? :P13:34
MrChrisDruifgeirha; He wanted to /join that channel :P)13:34
M0higeirha: sometimes :D13:34
rileypext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode  how can i fix this its a clean install13:36
bioterrorshould be fixed now, as it says?13:37
rileypext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode  will fsck fix a problem like this?14:36
bioterrorshould fix14:36
rileypwell freind had six instances of it in dmesg ran fsck on reboot and now has 2 will another fix you think?14:38
bioterrorgive it a shot14:39
rileypis ther anything else one could do?14:39
rileypIts pretty much a clean install so IDK maybe he didnt shutdown properly as he is a linux newcomer14:40
bioterrorugh14:41
bioterroryou dont shut windows neither just by unplugging power cable14:42
rileypbioter I know but Idk him from a bar of soap just trying to help a linux newcomer14:42
bioterrornext time graceful shutdown14:43
rileypWell I hope thats what he is doing....14:45
rileypElse he will have fun14:45
bobweaverhi there ubuntu beginners team any one have some time for some serious questions?15:31
stlsaintbobweaver: sup man15:32
bobweaverso I have a friend and there HD went out on them and they would like me to fix it I have some extra HD laying around15:33
bobweaverand15:33
bobweaverwant to fix it15:33
bobweaverbut15:33
bobweaverI do not want to be on call all day long for this person15:34
bobweaverthis person knows ubuntu all ready what is a good way to15:34
bobweaverhand this [erson there computer back but lightly tell them that you don't want calls all night long15:35
rileypgive them a cd with lucid on it and a hard drive and say have fun15:36
stlsaintbobweaver: if they already know linux what is the issue that they cannot fix?15:36
rileypif this person knows ubuntu15:36
bobweaverI have the HD15:36
bobweaverfor free15:36
rileypmail it too them :D15:36
bobweaverlol15:37
rileypwith cd15:37
bobweaverso you think that lucid is the way to go thanks15:37
bobweaveryou all are great15:37
rileypthen install on your pc and and get it working remove hdd and put in their pc and reboot make sureit runs and then you run15:38
bobweaverstlsaint, I gave them ubuntu 10.10 a couple of months ago I am they it guy15:38
bobweaverstlsaint, butt they are real poor15:39
rileyplucid is LTS long term support the rest are just flash in pan...15:39
rileyphere today gone tomorrow15:39
stlsaintrileyp: interesting concept there15:40
bobweaverso I dont want to waste anymore time on it but I cant get it out of my mind that some one could have  great os and they llove ubuntu too but time is money and money is time and... I want to help but not enable kinda like the feeding the homeless15:41
rileypwell it worked on a few of my systems15:41
stlsaintbobweaver: give them the tools to succeed then direct them to other support avenues so that you wont leave them high and dry15:41
stlsaintbobweaver: direct them here ;)15:41
rileyp just dont do stupid stuff like create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then  satr on another system else it wont work15:41
stlsaintrileyp: yea15:42
holsteinbobweaver: yeah, refer them to otehr avenues15:42
bobweaverubuntu forums and ubuntu wiki and ?15:42
holsteinyour question seems more like a statement, i dont want to help my friends with their computers all the time15:42
holsteinso... make that cleat15:42
holsteinclear*15:43
rror404NotFoundhola15:43
holsteini help friends with linux/buntu for free15:43
holsteinand i charge for other work15:43
bobweaverholstein, me too15:43
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holsteinbut, i wouldnt do it to no end15:43
bobweaverall the time15:43
holsteinjust be clear15:43
rileypwe all do but you cant spend all your time helping15:43
bobweaverthat is the point that I am at right now15:44
rileypyou need to do your own thing on your days off too15:44
rileypso theach them post exact probelm into google and .0001 seconds later results15:45
bobweaverI guess that the question is where to point them and also how to let them down with out having them say " this is too complicated I want to use another os .15:45
holsteinbobweaver: you cant15:45
bobweavergooglubuntu.com15:45
bobweaverholstein, what do u mean I cant15:46
holsteinyou can have them not say that15:46
holsteinif they want to reinstall windows15:46
holsteinyou have to let them15:46
bobweaverof cource15:46
bobweaverspelling arghh15:46
holsteinjust show them how to get here15:46
bobweaverthey cant afford windows15:47
holsteinassuming they are online15:47
rileypubuntu wil do everyting average joe wants  anyway internet and email and word documents thses items should not break in general use so whats to hard15:47
Error404NotFoundinternet no work!15:48
bobweaverand that is whole new this I had them going with a daul boot and they want it again15:48
bobweaverwireless flash dvd codec15:48
bobweaveretc15:48
bobweaverthey got software center down15:48
bobweaverthanks gosh15:48
holsteinbobweaver: i would check the hardware15:49
holsteinmake sure the wireless works15:49
holsteininstall ubuntu-restricted-extras15:49
bobweaverits a bcm 14e4 431815:49
bobweaverb4315:49
holsteinright15:49
holsteinso, get that working...15:49
rileypbob ther is a multimedia do this it make everything work post in ubuntu forums it will install everything just a couple of cut and pastes15:49
rileyphang on15:50
bobweaverrileyp, got a link15:50
rileyplooking15:50
holsteinsudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras15:50
IdleOne!broadcom15:50
ubot2Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx15:50
bobweaverI know how to do it all for them I use to have the same puter but I feel that giving away free harddrives is great once someone gave me one when I had none15:51
rileyphttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76668315:52
bobweaverrileyp, thanks15:52
rileypIts like the good news bible for everyting multimedia ripping dvds everythings15:52
bobweaversetting it as a home page?15:52
rileypadd to bookmarks15:52
holsteinor, just do it for them15:53
holsteinbefore handing it over15:53
bobweavermulti tab with diff home pages15:53
Error404NotFoundholstein:15:53
bobweaverholstein, I want to but I am busy my self15:53
bobweaverinstall can do15:53
bobweaverbut extras I want them to learn15:53
bobweaverthey are great people15:54
holsteinall i did wat sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 ubuntu-restricted-extras15:54
holsteinwas*15:54
holsteinyou shouldnt need to add repos15:55
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/15:55
rileypyou need flash etc as well  medibuntu repo15:55
holsteinright15:55
holsteinanyways, i can understand what you are saying15:56
holsteinbut, its really just that one line15:56
holstein!ask Error404NotFound15:57
ubot2holstein: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:57
bobweaverso this is what I have come up with 1) install (lucid)2) give them the links and show off googlubuntu.com and ubuntu.forums and ubuntu.wiiki 3) see how it goes and pray not to get that many phone calls15:57
holstein!ask15:57
ubot2Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)15:57
holsteinError404NotFound: ^^15:57
bobweaverwith all your help15:57
bobweaverof course15:58
Error404NotFounddude i have no idea why my mics dont work anymore15:58
holsteinbobweaver: i say15:58
holsteinit wont take long at all to run that command15:58
holsteinthen, test mp3, dvd playback15:58
holsteinand the hardware15:58
bobweaverholstein, I do not want to enable them15:58
holsteinand tell them not to call you for support15:58
bobweaverholstein, i do want that^^15:59
holsteinbobweaver: i mean, if you want to 'help them learn'15:59
holsteinthen, give them the install disc15:59
holsteinand let em do it all15:59
holsteinthats infomative15:59
holsteininformative*15:59
holsteini did that with my moms computer16:00
holsteinchecked wifi, DVD playback and mp3's16:00
bobweaveryou gave her the disk to install16:00
holsteinthe usual things*16:00
holsteinand i didnt here from her for months16:00
holsteini thought she wasnt using it16:00
holsteinbut, it was just working for her16:00
holsteinbobweaver: im just saying, if you dont want to 'enable' them16:01
holsteinthrow them in the deep end then16:01
holsteininstalling ubuntu is really quite automated16:01
holsteinfrom the live CD16:01
holsteinError404NotFound: if you get a minute16:01
holsteincheck out16:01
holstein!ask16:02
ubot2Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)16:02
Error404NotFoundi didnt ask to ask a question16:03
holsteini was just clarifiying the process16:03
holsteinhelp me help you :)16:04
Error404NotFoundneither ethernet port on my computer works now16:04
bobweaversee I messed up too the last time I walked them though alot compiz and a lot more and I know that that is going to be the first thing that he is going to say where did the 3d cube go? I have to just tell them lightly that I am busy and give them the puter with the cd thanks you all nice to meet you :>)16:04
Error404NotFoundfor some reason they just stopped16:04
holsteinError404NotFound: for example16:05
bobweaverError404NotFound, what happened with the mic is it internal ?16:05
holstein"i have a Atheros Communications Atheros AR8132 net card, and recently it has stoppped working"16:05
Error404NotFoundyes internal realtek rtl-8110sc/8169sc16:07
bobweaverlsmod | grep rtl16:07
holsteinError404NotFound: how does your hardware work with the 10.04 live CD?16:07
Error404NotFoundwouldnt know16:07
holsteinOK16:07
Error404NotFounddont have 10.0416:07
holsteinif you get a chance16:07
holsteintry that16:07
holsteinthat was a recent suggestion*16:07
Error404NotFoundwhat good is 10.04 when i dont use it16:08
Error404NotFoundyou guys keep thinking its software16:08
Error404NotFoundwhen i dont think it is16:08
holsteinError404NotFound: ok16:09
holsteinthe deal is16:09
holsteinyou said it works fine when in windows16:09
holsteinis that the case?16:09
holsteinif so16:09
holsteinthen, when you change software16:09
Error404NotFoundive installed natty fresh twice16:09
holsteinfrom windows to linux16:09
holsteinand the hardware is not working properly16:09
Error404NotFoundthe nics have worked right away both times16:09
holsteinim at that point going to assume its software16:10
holsteinError404NotFound: is that not logical?16:10
Error404NotFoundjust installed clean again lastnight and they didnt work16:10
holsteinyou will need to help me understand that Error404NotFound16:10
Error404NotFoundits not software16:10
holsteinError404NotFound: right, i realize thats your opinion16:10
bobweaveryou think that there is a switch?16:10
Error404NotFoundthats fact16:10
holsteinim just asking how you tink that?16:10
holsteinthink* ?16:10
holsteinError404NotFound: how?16:11
Error404NotFoundi just explained it16:11
holsteinif it works fine in windows16:11
holsteinright now16:11
Error404NotFoundif you didnt understand i give up16:11
holsteinError404NotFound: is that not true?16:11
holsteindo the NIC's work as expected with windows?16:11
Error404NotFoundyes16:11
Error404NotFounddoesnt mean anything16:12
holsteinOK16:12
bobweaverError404NotFound, You have no internet?16:12
holsteinthats how i rule out a hardware problem16:12
Error404NotFoundi wouldnt16:12
holsteinwhen the hardware is functional in windows16:12
bioterroroh you two, get a room! :D16:12
Error404NotFoundit has to be hardware16:12
holsteinError404NotFound: maybe we have issues with nomenclature16:12
Error404NotFoundit cant be software16:12
Error404NotFoundnow i just need to know why its doing this16:12
holsteinwhat im saying is, the software in linux needs to be further configured16:13
Error404NotFoundno16:13
Error404NotFoundit doesnt16:13
bioterrorError404NotFound, is your nic built in on system board?16:13
Error404NotFoundyes16:13
Error404NotFoundlisten16:13
holsteinError404NotFound: but it works when you reboot into windows?16:13
bioterrorwhats your system board16:13
Error404NotFoundyou know it asks to update while installing yes?16:13
bioterrorbrand and model16:13
Error404NotFoundit has always worked to update while installing16:13
Error404NotFoundsame natty cd16:13
Error404NotFoundfresh install lastnight and it didnt work16:14
Error404NotFoundso unless god changed crap on the same ubuntu cd ive been using16:14
Error404NotFoundits hardware16:14
holsteinso, when you reboot in windows, its broken?16:15
Error404NotFounddoes it matter?16:16
holsteinif you want to say 'my hardware is broken'16:16
holsteinand you reboot in windows16:16
holsteinand its not16:16
holsteini would say that matters16:17
Error404NotFoundso then god changed crap on an ubuntu cd ive used b4...16:17
Error404NotFoundthats more likely than hardware16:17
holstein?16:17
holsteinError404NotFound: if you think your hardware is bad16:18
holsteinreboot in windows16:18
holsteinand see16:18
holsteinif its working, then its not bad16:18
holsteini would leave it on for a while16:18
Error404NotFoundso then you really think god changed my ubuntu cd?16:18
holsteinto make sure its not an intermittened issue16:18
holsteinError404NotFound: thats not the only scenario :)16:18
Error404NotFoundive tried a few times now16:18
holsteini dont know what iso you have16:18
Error404NotFoundubuntu cd install16:18
holsteinor what hareware chnages16:18
Error404NotFoundthey just dont work anymore16:18
Error404NotFoundno hardware changes16:19
holsteinError404NotFound: right, except in windows? right?16:19
Error404NotFoundwho cares about windows16:19
Error404NotFoundirrelivant16:19
Error404NotFoundexplain why they worked during install twice now they dont16:19
holsteinError404NotFound: lets just take your machine16:20
holsteinas-is16:20
holsteinIF you boot windows16:20
holsteinall the hareware works right?16:20
Error404NotFoundok im gonna say no here16:20
holsteinin that scenario, your hardware is all working16:20
holsteinError404NotFound: OK16:20
Error404NotFoundcuz it doesnt matter if it works in windows16:20
holsteinError404NotFound: it does16:20
Error404NotFoundno16:20
Error404NotFoundit doesnt16:20
holsteinthe driver support is different16:20
holsteinError404NotFound: check this out16:20
holsteini use a -realtime kernel16:21
holsteinon a laptop16:21
Error404NotFoundif you think that you dont know much about computers16:21
holsteinabout every 6th boot16:21
holsteinthe wifi works16:21
holstein*maybe16:21
holsteingod doenst change anything16:21
bioterrorit was gaia16:21
Error404NotFoundthen its hardware16:21
holsteinits just a sketchy driver+kernel scenario16:21
holsteinError404NotFound: thats where i think we are refering to different things16:21
holsteinwhen you say 'its hardware'16:21
Error404NotFoundso if i keep reinstalling it16:21
holsteinto me16:21
Error404NotFoundit will eventualy work?16:22
holsteinthat mean 'the hardware is broken'16:22
holsteinand im saying16:22
holsteinmy hardware is find16:22
holsteinfine*16:22
holsteinthe driver+kernel are kinda sketchy on my laptop16:22
holsteinso, its intermittened16:22
holsteinBUT, booting with the -generic kernel16:22
holsteinall is good16:22
bobweaverError404NotFound, could we know some hard ware ?16:22
holsteinSO, i can rule out that my hardware is bad16:23
holsteinits related to software16:23
holstein*in my case16:23
Error404NotFoundim using generic16:23
holsteinand, im proposing that with your case16:23
holsteinwhere16:23
holsteinat one point16:23
holsteinthe NIC gets picked up16:23
Error404NotFoundstill doesnt explain why it worked during install b416:23
holsteinkinda works16:23
Error404NotFoundand now it dont16:23
holsteinthen the next time doest16:23
holsteinBUT16:23
holsteinin windows it works fine16:23
holsteinwhich, since it works fine in windows, thats how i rule out that my hardware is bad16:24
holsteinhowever, if you disagree16:24
holsteinbuy new hardware16:24
holsteinError404NotFound: i'll tell you where you can ship your 'broken' hardware :)16:24
bobweaverholstein, hardware switch to what16:24
Error404NotFoundits a brand new mobo16:24
Error404NotFoundlike a week old16:24
bobweaverk16:25
holsteinError404NotFound: brand new?, so you think the hardware is not bad?16:25
holsteinbecause, thats what i think too16:25
Error404NotFoundi think it is bad16:25
holsteinlol16:25
holsteinthen get an RMA16:25
Error404NotFoundits more likely than god changing files on my ubuntu cd16:25
holsteinError404NotFound: right16:25
holsteini addressed that16:25
holsteingod doesnt change my setup16:25
holsteinsometimes the wifi works16:25
holsteinusually it doenst16:26
holsteinnothing emaculate about it16:26
holsteinits just the -realtime kernel16:26
bioterrorcan you tell us whats the brand and model of the system board16:26
bobweaverYES^^16:26
bioterrorholstein has chromium with google ready16:27
holsteinbioterror: :)16:27
Error404NotFoundabit ip35 pro xe16:27
bioterrorim on train using phone16:27
bioterroris that a sandybridge board?-)16:31
Error404NotFound?16:31
holsteinError404NotFound: i dont see anything obvious around that makes me think that MB is unsupported16:33
holsteinim not sure whats going on there16:33
holsteinif i were you, i would DL http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/16:34
holsteinsee how the NIC's and everything seem with that running live16:34
holsteinthats quite a different kernel, so that should tell us if its a kernel regression16:35
Error404NotFoundhow do i change kernel16:35
holsteinError404NotFound: well, an easy way to use a totally different kernel is with the live CD i suggested16:35
holsteinyou *can* change kernels16:35
holsteinbut, theres really no need16:36
holsteintil you are certain that helps16:36
holsteinand the live CD is a great way to see16:36
holsteinhaving the LTS live CD is handy anyways16:36
Error404NotFoundim in live cd now16:36
Error404NotFound11.0416:36
holsteinError404NotFound: the 10.04?16:36
Error404NotFounddoesnt work16:36
holsteinlucid = 10.04 live16:36
holsteinhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/16:37
holsteinyou'll see it there ^16:37
holsteinat that link16:37
Error404NotFoundi dont want to use old crap16:38
holsteinError404NotFound: thats my suggestion16:38
holsteinit will tell you important information16:38
holsteinAND16:38
holsteinits the LTS release16:38
Error404NotFoundso if i had problems in windows 7 would you tell me to try 98?16:38
holsteinso, its actually going to be supported longer16:38
holsteinError404NotFound: thats not a good anolg16:38
holsteinError404NotFound: thats not a good anolog*16:38
Error404NotFoundwhy is there not an iso for intel 64x16:39
holsteinError404NotFound: there is16:39
Error404NotFoundnot on the page you just gave me16:39
holsteinlike http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/16:40
holsteinyou just want the 64bit16:40
holsteinBUT16:40
holsteinyou could try the 32 if you want16:40
Error404NotFoundlol!16:46
Error404NotFoundtold you it was hardware!16:47
holsteinnot working in windows now?16:47
Error404NotFoundits working in linux now16:47
Error404NotFoundi reset bios16:47
Error404NotFoundworks fine now16:47
holsteinbios = software16:47
holsteinbut whatever16:47
holsteinglad its working Error404NotFound :)16:47
Error404NotFoundbios = firmware16:48
Error404NotFoundtechnicaly still hardware16:48
Error404NotFounderm now bluetooth dont work16:49
holsteinwell, i dont want to split hairs16:51
holsteinbut, your hardware is *not* broken16:52
holsteinand thats the important thing16:52
Error404NotFoundwas still hardware issue16:52
holsteinwhatever16:52
Error404NotFoundwhich resolved16:52
Error404NotFoundnow i need blue tooth to work16:52
holsteinright16:52
holsteinyou remember how it works?16:52
holsteinlspci and all that?16:52
duanedesignimport localtime16:55
duanedesigntime = localtime16:55
duanedesignprint 'good'  localtimE16:56
bobweaverrfkill unblock all16:57
bobweaveror rfkill unblock bluetooth16:58
bobweaverError404NotFound, ^^16:58
stlsaintduanedesign: hey i forgot the command to connect to my people.ubuntu.com sftp17:08
bobweavercprofitt, got a min?#lugor ?17:15
cprofitthey bobweaver17:16
cprofittsure17:16
cprofittbobweaver: should we go to #ubuntu-beginners-team though?17:17
bobweavercprofitt, YES17:17
bobweaversure17:17
bobweaverI want to know what else I can do to help local and abroad17:17
bobweaverI have to go to work @117:18
cprofittjoin #ubuntu-beginners-team17:18
cprofittwe can cover it in there17:18
cprofittand leave this open for technical assistance17:18
Error404NotFoundholstein:17:35
holsteinError404NotFound: ?17:37
Error404NotFoundhow do i install a bin file17:37
holsteinits a windows file?17:37
Error404NotFoundno17:38
Error404NotFoundsays linux17:38
holsteinwhat is it?17:38
Error404NotFoundadobe reader17:38
holsteinright17:38
holsteinError404NotFound: theres a package17:39
holsteinused to be in the mutlitverse repository17:40
holsteinacroread17:40
Error404NotFoundgot adobe17:40
Error404NotFoundsoftware center17:40
holsteinError404NotFound: check out17:40
holsteinhttp://blog.sudobits.com/2011/04/25/how-to-install-adobe-reader-in-ubuntu-11-04/17:40
cprofittadobe files should already be opened in DocViewer in Ubuntu17:41
holsteinyeah, i havent used adobes reader in a long time actually17:41
Error404NotFoundnow im mad that i didnt reset bios b4 deleting ubuntu lol17:42
Error404NotFoundthat dude made flash work great17:42
Error404NotFoundnow i have to do it again17:42
philinuxFor Acroread, enable the Partner repo in software sources. 150 mb download too.17:42
philinuxCorrection 65mb17:43
holsteinError404NotFound: im sure you know how to find the official logs of this channel17:45
holsteinbut17:45
holstein22:30 < Captainkrtek> Error404NotFoun1, http://rootzwiki.com/flash.sh download it, chmod +x it then in a terminal ./flash.sh17:45
Error404NotFoundit didnt work though17:46
Error404NotFoundhe used teamviewer to fix it17:46
holsteinok17:46
holsteinwell, you can just thank mr for my time then17:46
holsteinand move on :)17:46
Error404NotFoundlol17:46
DraZoroHello everyone17:49
Error404NotFoundhola17:49
Error404NotFoundwoot i fixed flash by myself18:10
* holstein gives Error404NotFound a gold star18:11
Error404NotFoundholstein:18:26
Error404NotFoundcould you help me to get my bookmarks from windows into firefox?18:26
bioterrorError404NotFound, export a .html file from windows18:34
bioterrorand import into firefox18:34
Error404NotFound...18:34
bioterrorjust like you do it in windows18:35
Error404NotFoundi just copy the faborites folder18:35
bioterroroh18:35
bioterroryou're IE user18:35
Error404NotFoundyes ma'am18:36
bioterrorwhat?18:36
Error404NotFoundlol18:36
bioterrorinstall firefox18:36
bioterrortell it to import stuff from Internet Explorer when you run it for the first time18:36
bioterrorand export bookmarks from there18:36
bioterrorif only you wouldnt have anything against google18:37
bioterrorChrome/Chromiu, can sync bookmarks, settings, themes, extensions between clients OTA18:37
Error404NotFoundbrb18:38
Error404NotFoundok that didnt work18:51
holsteinthat?18:53
holsteinError404NotFound: you'll need to install FF in windows18:53
Error404NotFoundexporting favorites18:53
holsteinthen, let FF import what you need from IE18:53
holsteinTHEN, you'll be able to export from FF to FF18:53
Error404NotFoundwhen i hit import on ubuntu it says no programs that contain bookmarks history or password data could be found18:54
holsteinError404NotFound: right18:54
holsteinyou wont just hit the magic 'import' button18:54
holsteinyou'll navigate to the file you exported18:54
holsteinfrom the windows FF18:55
holsteinOR18:55
holsteinyou can google (or whatever) on how to just move the entire config over18:55
holsteini cant remember how well that worked when i tried it18:55
holsteinFF also has some nice syncing options18:56
bioterrorholstein, not as nice as chromium18:56
bioterrorand well, chromium is faster ;)18:57
holsteini still preffer it18:57
holsteinthere was something about open tab sync18:57
holsteinthat sounded interesting18:57
holstein*in FF418:57
holsteinbut, its still a little laggy for my taste18:57
Error404NotFoundchromium ran like hell when i installed it18:57
holstein*much better though18:57
Error404NotFoundffs i deleted crap on top bar19:26
holstein?19:28
Error404NotFoundas in i cant shut down anymore lol19:30
holstein?19:30
Error404NotFound?19:30
holsteincant shutdown?19:30
holsteinsudo shutdown -h now19:30
holsteinmost of my powerbuttons trigger the shutdown dialog19:31
Error404NotFound...19:32
Error404NotFoundhow do i get it back19:32
holsteinit?19:32
holsteinlet me assume you are in gnome19:32
Error404NotFoundare you retr19:32
holsteinand you want a powerbutton added to the panel19:32
Error404NotFoundretarded19:32
holstein*added back19:32
Error404NotFoundwhat comes installed19:32
Error404NotFoundi want back19:32
Error404NotFoundnothing in there19:33
holsteinyou right click on the panel19:33
holstein*if this is the gnome panel19:33
holsteinwhich im still assuming19:33
holsteinsince you havent told me*19:33
holsteinyou right click, and go to 'add to panel'19:33
holsteinyou'll see all kinds of things you can add there19:33
Error404NotFoundlike i said19:34
holsteinyou can literally just go through and add them all19:34
Error404NotFoundnot in there19:34
holsteinand see what you want to have19:34
holsteinError404NotFound: and i would not only appreciate you not calling me retarded, but, i would appreciate you not using that type of language here19:34
* holstein thanks you in advance19:34
Error404NotFoundwhats wrong with retarded19:35
holsteinits just not that kind of channel19:35
Error404NotFoundive been around retards nearly my whole life19:35
holsteinand even if you are being light and friendly19:35
Error404NotFoundthey dont care19:35
holsteini dont know you like that19:35
Error404NotFoundonly thing in add to panel is shutdown19:36
Error404NotFounda single button that only shuts down19:36
holsteinError404NotFound: you mean, the only option to be added to the panel is that?19:37
* holstein still assuming gnome19:37
Error404NotFoundthe only power object19:37
holsteinError404NotFound: thats what you want right?19:37
holsteinyou should try the others19:37
holsteinthe applets have been, and are being reworked19:37
holsteinSO, it wont say 'shutdown'19:38
holsteinit'll just have the shutdown button in there19:38
Error404NotFoundwhy cant i make it like b419:38
holsteinyou can*19:38
Error404NotFoundnot inthis menu i cant19:39
holsteinError404NotFound: try adding 'indicator applet session'19:40
holsteini just found that by randomly adding several19:40
holsteinand checking them out19:40
holsteinwhich is what i suggested*19:40
mang0Guys, I messed up xorg.cfg, but  I have a backup in my home folder. How do I replace the messed up one with the backup?20:38
bioterror:o20:39
bioterrorI know xorg.conf20:39
bioterrorit's located in /etc/X11/20:39
mang0okay20:39
mang0thanks20:39
bioterroryou can create new one by using command Xorg -configure20:40
bioterrorbut you need to stop your Xdm first20:40
mang0oh20:40
bioterrorand use console aka teletype20:40
mang0oh20:40
bioterrorctrl+alt+f1 for example20:40
bioterrorto get into tty20:40
mang0k, so I hit ctrl alt f1 and type Xorg-configure20:40
mang0or is there a space between Xorg and -configure20:40
bioterrorsudo Xorg -configure20:41
mang0kk20:41
mang0can I c&p that or is c&p dead in TTY20:41
bioterrorif you use gpm20:42
mang0sudo Xorg -configure20:42
mang0isn't that hard to remember20:42
mang0lol, cya ina sec20:42
Error404NotFoundim trying to move a file and it says permission denied. how can i get permission22:11
bioterrorsudo22:11
bioterrorsuprise suprise22:12
bioterror!sudo | Error404NotFound22:12
ubot2Error404NotFound: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo22:12
Error404NotFoundbe more specific lol22:12
tron101im trying to run a program from terminal...do i do su command first?22:21
bioterrorexplain more22:21
bioterrorwhich program22:21
tron101ifetch?22:21
tron101its for ip cam22:21
bioterrordoes it require root access?22:22
bioterrorpriviledges22:22
tron101i think so cuz i keep getting permission denide22:22
tron101Error encountered reading the ifetch-tools.conf file of: Permission denied - /etc/ifetch-tools/ifetch-tools.conf22:23
bioterrorsudo command22:23
tron101i do that but am unable to type in the password22:24
bioterrorit's your password22:24
tron101it wont type out as letters in terminal22:24
bioterrorgeee22:24
Error404NotFoundit dont22:24
bioterrorit doesnt prompt marks22:24
Error404NotFoundjust enter pass and hit enter22:25
tron101ill try agian22:25
bioterrorthat's called security22:25
tron101tron101@ubuntu:~$ sudo command22:28
tron101[sudo] password for tron101:22:28
tron101sudo: command: command not found22:28
bioterrorhey22:28
tron101it wont take my password22:28
bioterrora little bit more common sense22:28
bioterrorokay?22:28
bioterror!sudo | tron10122:28
ubot2tron101: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo22:28
bioterror!cli | tron10122:28
ubot2tron101: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro22:28
tron101errrrrrrrr22:36
Error404NotFoundooh it worked22:40
bioterrorError404NotFound, you have now working NIC?22:40
Error404NotFoundyeah that was fixed awhile ago22:40
Error404NotFoundreset bios and viola22:40
tron101is there another way to run software downloaded from software center?22:48
bioterroruse your application menu22:49
tron101why would it not show up there?22:52
tron101i dont think ubuntu is for me22:56
Error404NotFoundlol22:56
Error404NotFoundsounds familiar22:57
bioterrorbut still you hang here fighting with your ubuntu22:58
bioterroratleast you're trying22:58
Error404NotFoundstill be nice to have all my windows favs on ubuntu23:02
Error404NotFoundim not one to give up easily23:03
midnightryderEver since I installed Ubuntu 11.04 and install or uninstall programs from Ubuntu Software Center, A window pops up & disappears, with the black border on top. In that border it says "Debconf for robert-YORKTOWN". YORKTOWN being my Gateway computer. Inside the window is blank.23:24
midnightryderWhy does this window appear and what can I do about it?23:24
recenthello, can someone tell me where does recentmanager store its data?23:57
coalwateri don't really know what's recent manager, u mean something like recent documents u've opened?23:58
recentcoalwater, yes, that's the one.23:59
coalwateri think it's a zeitgeist thing, give me a sec23:59

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