[00:01] I habitually shut down with "sudo poweroff" run from a terminal... is it a bad idea? [00:02] Depends on whether you're running xorg or not. [00:03] Many X applications won't manage to save their settings/state when you kill them. === coalwater is now known as coalwater_away === coalwater_away is now known as coalwater [01:48] <^zenhoobb-it> hi to all, my friends! ;-) [01:48] <^zenhoobb-it> how are you? [01:55] <^zenhoobb-it> hey drubin ! nhandler ! ibuclaw ! tronyx ! [02:07] ^zenhoobb-it: check out #ubuntu-beginners-team :) [02:07] oh well... [05:09] I'm unable to sudo after upgrading to 11.04 - It says Authentication failure, but I know the password is correct [05:09] any ideas? [05:11] SpaceDuck_: re-confirm the password is correct [05:11] then, do something like open synaptic [05:11] as normal user [05:11] see if your normal user has somehow become root [05:12] synaptic accepts the password [05:12] but, you were prompted.. [05:12] SpaceDuck_: whats the exact error? [05:14] yep, prompted on launch [05:14] su: Authentication failure [05:16] i get that when i try [05:16] su root [05:16] SpaceDuck_: try [05:16] sudo apt-get update [05:17] that works, it asked for the password for my username [05:17] and worked fine? [05:18] yep, package list updated [05:18] interesting [05:18] maybe the issue is more with the command you are trying to run [05:18] I was just typing "su" [05:19] no parameters [05:19] oh yeah [05:19] you cant do that [05:19] in buntu [05:20] theres not a traditional root user like that [05:20] you just sudo [05:20] if you want a root shell [05:20] you run [05:20] sudo -s [05:20] like "sudo conky&" [05:21] sudo whatever [05:21] or sudo -s [05:21] then whatever [05:24] holstein, thanks [05:24] SpaceDuck_: anytime :) [05:24] I thought I was using "su" before upgrading.... maybe not [05:24] you can change it [05:25] i wouldnt suggest it though [05:25] but, it can be done [05:25] maybe you did that [05:25] and an upgrade 'fixed' it ? [05:25] Do you happen to know of the app that lets you monitor connections to apache in realtime? [05:26] I just can't remember what its called. [05:27] maybe http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/visitors.1.html ? [05:28] maybe webalizer? [05:28] im not sure [05:31] I'm actually thinking now it's not an app. It the a command to return the the most recent entries of the logfile. [05:31] some grep thing I think === bassador_x is now known as roccity_ [06:53] bioterror: [06:53] holstein: [06:53] you said you will come back after 5 years [06:53] did I sleep for 5 years or what?! [06:53] lol [06:54] do you feel well rested? [06:54] its possible === rror404NotFound is now known as Error404NotFound [06:56] does that mean yer not gonna help me for 5 yrs bioterror [06:57] guess so [07:00] * Error404NotFound cries [07:01] hi [07:03] I forgot how to start a program in an SSH sesssion... I have "xterm -e ssh user@host"... but how do I get it to start a program on the host box? [07:03] bioterror: [07:04] does anyone know anything about the PCSX project? [07:04] kristian_, you mean a program an the computer you connected to? [07:04] xterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands;' [07:04] hello xardas008 - yes [07:06] hi geirha - the xterm shuts down just after I give my password when I try that [07:06] or better yet, a PS emulator that will allow me to play my PS discs... [07:07] Error404NotFound: pong [07:07] ping [07:07] dude i swear my computer is broken [07:08] kristian_: add a read afterwards: xterm -e ssh user@host 'remote commands; read' [07:08] Error404NotFound: start testing hardware [07:08] it worked... [07:09] still works in windows [07:09] xterm closes as soon as all commands you told it to run is complete. The read will make it wait for you to hit enter before closing. [07:09] i just reinstalled natty [07:09] and the stupid nics dont work [07:10] wireless barely works [07:11] Error404NotFound: i would pick one at a time [07:11] and just start troubleshooting [07:11] how [07:11] it all worked [07:11] for almost a month [07:11] ubuntu worked great [07:12] what version? [07:12] 10.04? [07:12] natty [07:12] thats what i would try* [07:13] geirha, hurm.... still not working [07:13] wish i knew why wireless has no speed [07:13] for me [07:13] i usually get hardware working [07:13] literaly bytes per sec [07:13] from the live CD [07:14] *before* installing [07:14] kristian_: Hm. This works for me: xterm -e ssh localhost 'echo hello; read' [07:14] i usually try a few [07:14] the LTS [07:14] the current [07:14] knoppix [07:14] whatever i can use [07:14] holstein: when i installed my nicsx just worked [07:15] Error404NotFound: what broke them? [07:15] updated during install [07:15] updates? [07:15] right [07:15] i have no clue [07:15] so, dont update [07:15] geirha, that works for me to [07:15] OR, take more control over what updates [07:15] im on a diff hdd and they didnt work when i started my install [07:15] but, what I need to run is ncmpcpp, and it segfaults [07:15] it has to be hardware [07:16] i would think [07:16] Error404NotFound, flaky wifi? [07:16] Error404NotFound: you still have windows installed right? [07:16] if so, test it there [07:16] diff hdd [07:16] both ethernet ports work in windows [07:16] right, but all the other hardware is the same no? [07:16] 50+ mbps [07:16] yes [07:16] Error404NotFound: if they both work in windows [07:16] then, its not hardware [07:16] just a raptor in a hdd dock [07:17] its driver/kernel related i say [07:17] why when i installed the first time did the internet work [07:17] I hate to say this, but I have experienced *terrible* wifi on some ubuntu installations [07:17] b4 install [07:17] Error404NotFound: like i said, if you updated [07:17] a kernel update could break that [07:17] 10.4 to be exact [07:17] ..... [07:18] i am installing natty [07:18] clean [07:18] kristian_: Hm. Sounds like a bug with ncmpcpp, then. [07:18] Error404NotFound: right [07:18] new hdd [07:18] you might want to try 10.10 [07:18] live [07:18] and 10.04 [07:18] kristian_: As a shot in the dark, try with uxterm [07:18] im asking [07:18] i mean, we could refer to 10.10 and 11.04 as 'testing' releases [07:18] why would ethernet work the first time i installed [07:18] geirha, ncmpcpp *is* buggy - I actually have to run an alias for it [07:18] but not now [07:18] Error404NotFound: because thats *prior* to the upgrade [07:19] upgrade of what!? [07:19] that had a potential kernel update [07:19] kristian_: Oh, that alias probably doesn't get used [07:19] or something else that broke funcionality [07:19] Error404NotFound: system package updates [07:19] upgrades* [07:19] did you not see me say new hdd fresh install [07:19] same natty cd [07:19] (it's the latest unstable version, so buggy is expected) [07:19] Error404NotFound: i also saw you say 'updated during install' [07:20] anyways [07:20] Error404NotFound: you can figure it out [07:20] noooooooooooooooo [07:20] the nics dont work [07:20] as in no internet during install [07:20] Error404NotFound: right [07:20] right [07:20] i get it [07:20] but, im out for now [07:20] i would try google [07:20] they worked the first time i installed ubuntu [07:20] kristian_: Add all the options the alias adds [07:20] with the lspci info [07:20] geirha, it's in .bash_aliases [07:20] google or the SE of your choice [07:20] GN all... [07:21] kristian_: Yes, that won't be read by a non-interactive shell. [07:21] lpednone of that he; [07:21] anyone know of a PS emulator that will allow me to play me PS discs? not the ISO's or ROMS [07:21] but yes, it seems to be ignored [07:21] none of that helped [07:22] kristian_: And even if you told it to specifically source it, aliases are disabled by default in non-interactive shells. [07:23] nice to know [07:24] can't do much, tried running top this way... no luck [07:24] kristian_: I see it's a curses program. You probably need to use ssh -t then [07:25] xterm -e ssh -t localhost 'top' # should work [07:26] geirha, progress! [07:26] -t was the flag I forgot, yes [07:33] geirha, yeah, I got it [07:34] alias ncmpcpp-lugosi="xterm -e ssh -t kristian@192.168.0.199 'strace -o ~/bug.txt ncmpcpp; rm ~/bug.txt; read'" - it was this simple all along ;) [07:35] I don't think you need the read in that case [07:35] And it crashes if you don't run it with strace? [07:42] yeah [07:43] Wow, crazy. [07:43] yeah, I filed a report on it... the strange thing is that it gives an mpd error message but it's ncmpcpp that is crashing [07:44] this is the unstable ncmpcpp like I mentioned, though... [07:44] but glad to get it running, thanks [07:48] I seem to be having issues getting my PnP game controller to work... [07:50] hi all,can anyone please tell where to start in packaging.i read packaging guide on someone recomdation but where to apply it in rea aaplications? [07:51] Fvic, did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ? [07:55] xardas008, it was mentioned their only to read that guide.i should go through that again...is it mention their the next step [09:05] anyone know how to setup a generic PnP gamepad? I can't seem to get mine to work... [09:07] I found this thread, but it still doesn't seem to work.... [09:07] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330607&highlight=set+gamepad === sinthoras_ is now known as xardas008 [10:15] * nlsthzn waves [10:52] anyone still alive? [10:52] nope [10:52] I just died [10:52] barely [10:52] why should we be dead? [10:53] just wondering... [10:54] does anyoen know about the xboxdrv? [10:57] yoou woke us up for that. [10:57] ;) [11:00] yes, I've been working on it since 11pm, and I would like to think that your pron can wait :P [11:01] yax51, did you sleep? [11:01] no, am having some issues trying to compile the dang thing, and am not going to let this thing beat me [11:01] it's only 3am here.... [11:02] hello MrChrisDruif [11:02] hm, what's the error message yax51 ? [11:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/606855/ [11:05] puh that's strange, which program should that be? [11:07] thats the terminal output with scons [11:09] did you read the install instructions? Maybe you need to set a flag so it will work? [11:12] ummm I am not sure what I did.....but it worked....... [11:12] sometimes sleeping works, it's like rebooting your computer === Axlin|MB is now known as Axlin [11:16] hehehe true, but I am on a night schedual, so I won't be going to bed for at least anothe few hours [11:16] :) [11:19] woot woot now I can play ff5 on my pc!!! [11:19] firefox 5 [11:20] they just released 4 [11:20] i think he means final fantasy 5 xD [11:20] final fantasy 5 :D [11:20] because you can't play with firefox [11:21] yes you can....... [11:21] ok when you test some strange things or play browser games xD [11:23] yup, ok so heres the next question, I am creating a launcher, and in the .sh file how do I run the sudo command to automatically enter my password? [11:24] why automatically? [11:24] wouldn't it be a security risk because your password stands in the sh file? [11:26] it could be yes, but with a sudo command in the .sh file apparently doesn't call for a password.... [11:27] ok you can specify something in the /etc/sudoers file that sudo does not need a password i think [11:27] but if this will be good depends on you [11:28] aaah got it. cool thanks!! [12:07] Does anybody know which Linux alternative I can best use compared to Skype? (Skype never really worked for me) [12:08] For a small comparison: http://askubuntu.com/questions/41970/what-floss-skype-alternatives-are-available [12:17] ekiga? [12:17] they all suck if you compare to skype, trolololooooo [12:21] bioterror; Skype is "not good" (as in the functional way not good)...what is my best shot with an opensource alternative? [12:22] there's no other client than skype that talks skype protocol [12:22] that's the biggest problem [12:22] Well....not if your family etc isn't really on skype ;) [12:24] I would go for ekiga, it's the default in ubuntu?, right? [12:26] bioterror; Used to be I think. Empathy is default IM and it's got support for Gtalk with Video Chat....so I'm not sure what to do [12:27] gtalk might be the thing [13:05] hi [13:17] Aloha rileyp [13:23] hi [13:24] when running mythbuntu installatll cd iselect manual partition and [13:33] #ubuntu-beginners-team [13:33] Grrrr [13:34] You're mad at the ubuntu-beginners-team? :P [13:34] geirha; He wanted to /join that channel :P) [13:34] geirha: sometimes :D [13:36] ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode how can i fix this its a clean install [13:37] should be fixed now, as it says? [14:36] ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode will fsck fix a problem like this? [14:36] should fix [14:38] well freind had six instances of it in dmesg ran fsck on reboot and now has 2 will another fix you think? [14:39] give it a shot [14:39] is ther anything else one could do? [14:40] Its pretty much a clean install so IDK maybe he didnt shutdown properly as he is a linux newcomer [14:41] ugh [14:42] you dont shut windows neither just by unplugging power cable [14:42] bioter I know but Idk him from a bar of soap just trying to help a linux newcomer [14:43] next time graceful shutdown [14:45] Well I hope thats what he is doing.... [14:45] Else he will have fun [15:31] hi there ubuntu beginners team any one have some time for some serious questions? [15:32] bobweaver: sup man [15:33] so I have a friend and there HD went out on them and they would like me to fix it I have some extra HD laying around [15:33] and [15:33] want to fix it [15:33] but [15:34] I do not want to be on call all day long for this person [15:34] this person knows ubuntu all ready what is a good way to [15:35] hand this [erson there computer back but lightly tell them that you don't want calls all night long [15:36] give them a cd with lucid on it and a hard drive and say have fun [15:36] bobweaver: if they already know linux what is the issue that they cannot fix? [15:36] if this person knows ubuntu [15:36] I have the HD [15:36] for free [15:36] mail it too them :D [15:37] lol [15:37] with cd [15:37] so you think that lucid is the way to go thanks [15:37] you all are great [15:38] then install on your pc and and get it working remove hdd and put in their pc and reboot make sureit runs and then you run [15:38] stlsaint, I gave them ubuntu 10.10 a couple of months ago I am they it guy [15:39] stlsaint, butt they are real poor [15:39] lucid is LTS long term support the rest are just flash in pan... [15:39] here today gone tomorrow [15:40] rileyp: interesting concept there [15:41] so I dont want to waste anymore time on it but I cant get it out of my mind that some one could have great os and they llove ubuntu too but time is money and money is time and... I want to help but not enable kinda like the feeding the homeless [15:41] well it worked on a few of my systems [15:41] bobweaver: give them the tools to succeed then direct them to other support avenues so that you wont leave them high and dry [15:41] bobweaver: direct them here ;) [15:41] just dont do stupid stuff like create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then satr on another system else it wont work [15:42] rileyp: yea [15:42] bobweaver: yeah, refer them to otehr avenues [15:42] ubuntu forums and ubuntu wiki and ? [15:42] your question seems more like a statement, i dont want to help my friends with their computers all the time [15:42] so... make that cleat [15:43] clear* [15:43] hola [15:43] i help friends with linux/buntu for free [15:43] and i charge for other work [15:43] holstein, me too === rror404NotFound is now known as Error404NotFound [15:43] but, i wouldnt do it to no end [15:43] all the time [15:43] just be clear [15:43] we all do but you cant spend all your time helping [15:44] that is the point that I am at right now [15:44] you need to do your own thing on your days off too [15:45] so theach them post exact probelm into google and .0001 seconds later results [15:45] I guess that the question is where to point them and also how to let them down with out having them say " this is too complicated I want to use another os . [15:45] bobweaver: you cant [15:45] googlubuntu.com [15:46] holstein, what do u mean I cant [15:46] you can have them not say that [15:46] if they want to reinstall windows [15:46] you have to let them [15:46] of cource [15:46] spelling arghh [15:46] just show them how to get here [15:47] they cant afford windows [15:47] assuming they are online [15:47] ubuntu wil do everyting average joe wants anyway internet and email and word documents thses items should not break in general use so whats to hard [15:48] internet no work! [15:48] and that is whole new this I had them going with a daul boot and they want it again [15:48] wireless flash dvd codec [15:48] etc [15:48] they got software center down [15:48] thanks gosh [15:49] bobweaver: i would check the hardware [15:49] make sure the wireless works [15:49] install ubuntu-restricted-extras [15:49] its a bcm 14e4 4318 [15:49] b43 [15:49] right [15:49] so, get that working... [15:49] bob ther is a multimedia do this it make everything work post in ubuntu forums it will install everything just a couple of cut and pastes [15:50] hang on [15:50] rileyp, got a link [15:50] looking [15:50] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [15:50] !broadcom [15:50] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [15:51] I know how to do it all for them I use to have the same puter but I feel that giving away free harddrives is great once someone gave me one when I had none [15:52] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683 [15:52] rileyp, thanks [15:52] Its like the good news bible for everyting multimedia ripping dvds everythings [15:52] setting it as a home page? [15:52] add to bookmarks [15:53] or, just do it for them [15:53] before handing it over [15:53] multi tab with diff home pages [15:53] holstein: [15:53] holstein, I want to but I am busy my self [15:53] install can do [15:53] but extras I want them to learn [15:54] they are great people [15:54] all i did wat sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 ubuntu-restricted-extras [15:54] was* [15:55] you shouldnt need to add repos [15:55] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/ [15:55] you need flash etc as well medibuntu repo [15:55] right [15:56] anyways, i can understand what you are saying [15:56] but, its really just that one line [15:57] !ask Error404NotFound [15:57] holstein: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:57] so this is what I have come up with 1) install (lucid)2) give them the links and show off googlubuntu.com and ubuntu.forums and ubuntu.wiiki 3) see how it goes and pray not to get that many phone calls [15:57] !ask [15:57] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:57] Error404NotFound: ^^ [15:57] with all your help [15:58] of course [15:58] dude i have no idea why my mics dont work anymore [15:58] bobweaver: i say [15:58] it wont take long at all to run that command [15:58] then, test mp3, dvd playback [15:58] and the hardware [15:58] holstein, I do not want to enable them [15:58] and tell them not to call you for support [15:59] holstein, i do want that^^ [15:59] bobweaver: i mean, if you want to 'help them learn' [15:59] then, give them the install disc [15:59] and let em do it all [15:59]