| kiwinote | alex3f: just fyi there's a s-c session at uds starting shortly in #ubuntu-uds-dery. There's also a live audio stream. More info at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ | 08:03 |
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| alex3f | kiwinote: thank you | 08:03 |
| cyphermox | ricotz: I don´t think I got your message, whatever it was ;) | 08:27 |
| ricotz | cyphermox, hi, it was a pm, let me send it again | 08:29 |
| pitti | Cimi: you need to put it in oneiric either way | 11:12 |
| pitti | Cimi: for the rest I think I need to look at the bug first | 11:12 |
| Us3r_Unfriendly | hi ya guys | 11:14 |
| Us3r_Unfriendly | no ones awake here either? | 11:15 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/ | 11:20 |
| chrisccoulson | that's pretty cool | 11:20 |
| chrisccoulson | it's something else that the mozilla guys are working on ;) | 11:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, stop trying to sell your crack there ;-) | 11:24 |
| * kenvandine tries | 11:24 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, chrisccoulson: if we get tbird by default we should look at disabling the message syncing by default | 11:24 |
| kenvandine | that can be huge... | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, i will talk to them about that | 11:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the message syncing? | 11:25 |
| kenvandine | by default it downloads all your messages | 11:25 |
| kenvandine | in all your folders | 11:25 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, it would probably be better to limit it to the last 100 messages or something | 11:25 |
| kenvandine | perhaps | 11:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, like the content? | 11:25 |
| kenvandine | yes | 11:26 |
| chrisccoulson | like on my cell phone ;) | 11:26 |
| seb128 | that's mad | 11:26 |
| kenvandine | indeed | 11:26 |
| kenvandine | i have nearly 8G in my gmail... | 11:26 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i really prefer the lazy method that evo uses | 11:26 |
| kenvandine | it works very well | 11:26 |
| seb128 | the download all messages works fine when you get a small inbox | 11:27 |
| kenvandine | sure... | 11:27 |
| ricotz | seb128, hello | 11:27 |
| seb128 | hi ricotz | 11:28 |
| ricotz | seb128, is there a nice package list for gnome and its close dependencies? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | ricotz, check the jhbuild components list upstream maybe? | 11:29 |
| seb128 | ricotz, what are you trying to do or get? | 11:29 |
| ricotz | hmm, that might work | 11:29 |
| ricotz | i just want to have an overview of its deps | 11:29 |
| ricotz | to know which package might need to be synced to natty if there are dependency bumps | 11:30 |
| fredp | ricotz: quick jhbuild hack, http://paste.debian.net/116845/ | 11:37 |
| ricotz | fredp, thanks! | 11:38 |
| ricotz | fredp, which jhbuild module is this from? | 11:39 |
| fredp | gnome-suite-core-deps-3.0 | 11:39 |
| ricotz | ok | 11:40 |
| fredp | ricotz: basically it is jhbuild -m gnome-apps-3.0 list -r and a hack to only get modules from suite-core-deps | 11:40 |
| bigon | something has been decided for gnome-shell in oneiric? | 12:53 |
| jbicha | bigon: what's your question? | 13:04 |
| bigon | jbicha: I was asking about the inclusion | 13:06 |
| jbicha | bigon: Gnome Shell won't be on the CD but it will be in the repositories, I think in main | 13:07 |
| bigon | jbicha: alright thx | 13:08 |
| robert_ancell | Riddell, no kubuntu LightDM session? | 14:03 |
| Amaranth | wow, perfect timing didrocks :) | 15:37 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: hum? ;) | 15:37 |
| Amaranth | didrocks: want to get http://git.compiz.org/compiz/plugins/wall/commit/?id=bff12446188ea4d56b8e14f1f649c9a544c009fa in oneiric ASAP so we can get it SRU'ed | 15:37 |
| Amaranth | smspillaz suggested I talk to you rather than push to bzr, upload, and file an SRU bug :) | 15:38 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: we have other SRU to upload, can that wait on Monday? | 15:38 |
| didrocks | (compiz SRU I mean) | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | sure | 15:38 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: can you add patch/bzr push ? | 15:38 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: and of course, do the SRU paperwork :) | 15:39 |
| Amaranth | heh, sure | 15:39 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: oh that one (slow internet connexionà | 15:39 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: I already discussed with the SRU team about that one | 15:40 |
| Amaranth | Yeah, I keep almost disconnecting from IRC | 15:40 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: it's a "UI change" not sure we can SRU it | 15:40 |
| didrocks | well UI/experience change | 15:40 |
| didrocks | but I agree definitively for oneiric :) | 15:40 |
| Amaranth | didrocks: Yes but I heard that was when everyone thought it would need some new feature added to the code so I was hoping we could try since it's so simple | 15:40 |
| didrocks | Amaranth: let me check with pitti before you bzr push, ok? (there is a recent compiz bug about it IIRC) | 15:41 |
| Amaranth | was just looking for a bug to attach this to actually | 15:41 |
| Tommeh | Has anyone seen behaviour such as this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/757331 ? | 16:22 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 757331 in wine "Display freeze randomly when using Unity desktop (particularly with Windows apps run using wine)" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 16:22 |
| Tommeh | It's the exact same behaviour for me, although I haven't touched Wine for ages. | 16:22 |
| Tommeh | And I can't reproduce it -- it's absolutely random | 16:22 |
| Tommeh | No pattern to the freezing. Although Spotify (linux ver.) is still playing music in the background, the mouse cursor is still moving -- the desktop is just locked to any interaction. | 16:23 |
| Tommeh | I can switch to a terminal and restart GDM, which solves it.. That's all I've found to fix it thus far (which is frustrating given that all my apps need reloading) | 16:23 |
| Tommeh | To clarify, this only happens in Unity, not Gnome Shell | 16:24 |
| Tommeh | (And yes, I have the gnome3/xorg-edgers PPAs installed. Which could well be related.) | 16:24 |
| basso | wooooo! | 22:30 |
| basso | everything works nice again! :D | 22:34 |
| johnhamelink | Hi, is this a good place to work about gnome-3? | 22:34 |
| johnhamelink | *talk | 22:35 |
| basso | yeah sure | 22:35 |
| basso | either here or in the gnome-shell channel in irc.gnome.org | 22:35 |
| basso | depends on the question | 22:35 |
| johnhamelink | I installed gnome-3 from the PPA, but I have artifacts on the bar on the top of the screen, as well as when any kind of animation is triggered | 22:35 |
| johnhamelink | I followed the install guide on askubuntu.com | 22:36 |
| basso | what gfx card and what driver? | 22:36 |
| johnhamelink | lspci says I'm using a "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]" | 22:36 |
| johnhamelink | How do I detect which driver is enabled? | 22:36 |
| basso | uhhh ati :D | 22:36 |
| basso | usualy at "Hardware Drivers" | 22:37 |
| johnhamelink | Where, sorry? | 22:37 |
| basso | ah wops | 22:37 |
| basso | the program is called "Additional Drivers" | 22:38 |
| basso | there you can install and uninstall drivers that are avalible at ubuntus repos | 22:38 |
| johnhamelink | Yeah, the official drivers are installed and enabled | 22:38 |
| basso | and you have artifacts problems? | 22:39 |
| johnhamelink | Yes, and I can't take a picture of exactly what I see, either | 22:39 |
| basso | so a screen shot wont capture it.. hmm | 22:40 |
| johnhamelink | It does, it's just different | 22:40 |
| basso | well, you can try to install the newest drivers from a ppa | 22:40 |
| basso | xorg something | 22:40 |
| johnhamelink | Ok? | 22:40 |
| * basso starts googleing | 22:40 | |
| johnhamelink | Thanks basso :) | 22:40 |
| basso | you have the nice gang here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates | 22:40 |
| basso | i used them before for nvidia drivers | 22:41 |
| johnhamelink | Ok, I'll try that :) | 22:41 |
| johnhamelink | Here's a pic, by the way | 22:41 |
| johnhamelink | http://imgur.com/rfX1O | 22:41 |
| johnhamelink | As I said, it's not exactly what I see | 22:41 |
| basso | you might want to find a guide for installing on that ppa | 22:42 |
| johnhamelink | I've just done an upgrade | 22:42 |
| basso | can you try to restart gnome shell | 22:42 |
| johnhamelink | that should work | 22:42 |
| basso | by running alt+f2 and typing r | 22:42 |
| johnhamelink | Ok | 22:42 |
| johnhamelink | Hmm, interesting | 22:43 |
| basso | what did happen? | 22:43 |
| johnhamelink | it looks better now, but the icons are still muddled | 22:43 |
| basso | hehe | 22:43 |
| basso | well maybe a driver update might help | 22:44 |
| johnhamelink | and the artifacts are gone when animating | 22:44 |
| basso | uhhh | 22:44 |
| johnhamelink | Awesome, I'll let you know how it goes :) | 22:44 |
| basso | well its atleast an improvement | 22:44 |
| johnhamelink | yeah :) | 22:44 |
| basso | yeah you just drop inn here after your done, ill be sticking around for a while^^ | 22:44 |
| johnhamelink | Awesome, cheers :) | 22:44 |
| johnhamelink | ok, brb :) | 22:45 |
| basso | okidoki | 22:45 |
| basso | my fear is, after the driver update, we will never see him again :O | 22:47 |
| basso | It has begun | 22:50 |
| zniavre | :o) | 22:51 |
| basso | ^^ | 22:52 |
| zniavre | i reinstalled the whole system yesterday cause gnome3/shell unsuccessfull test | 22:53 |
| basso | aiai? | 22:54 |
| basso | what happened? | 22:54 |
| basso | what was the problem? | 22:54 |
| zniavre | i think my hardware is too old (nvidia/nouveau were slow ) | 22:55 |
| basso | i use the propiatierearyea drivers | 22:55 |
| basso | on the 9600 | 22:55 |
| basso | and yes | 22:55 |
| basso | gnome shell gets slow sometimes on nviida | 22:55 |
| basso | nvidia* | 22:55 |
| zniavre | ho ? | 22:56 |
| basso | that is because when using the proproerieyat drivers (cant spell it), nvidia has a nice feature to clock down the card dynamicly | 22:56 |
| basso | and when gnome shell was slow, the card was clocked to a minimum | 22:56 |
| johnhamelink | Hi again | 22:56 |
| basso | so natrualy i put it on maximum performance | 22:57 |
| basso | Hello hello johnhamelink | 22:57 |
| basso | so did you survive? | 22:57 |
| johnhamelink | Yeah, no luck | 22:57 |
| zniavre | basso i did not know this point , any idea how to workaround this point ? | 22:57 |
| johnhamelink | I survived, but no progress, unfortunately = | 22:57 |
| johnhamelink | *=/ | 22:57 |
| basso | zniavre: but how slow was it?, what gfx card and what drivers? | 22:57 |
| basso | johnhamelink: aw thats bad :( | 22:57 |
| basso | johnhamelink: last time i check the gnome shell bugtracker, there were alot related to gfx, so it might be fixed in the future | 22:58 |
| zniavre | gfx is fx5500 with 173.14.30 nvidia (repos and binary) and nouveau the lag was like one minute between clic and action | 22:58 |
| basso | awww.. the fx5500 is indeed an old card | 22:59 |
| basso | and i dont think its supported anymore by nvidia.. i think | 22:59 |
| johnhamelink | Ok thanks basso, I guess I'll have to wait it out :) | 22:59 |
| zniavre | they supply driver (at least to e compiled with recent kernel) | 23:00 |
| zniavre | be* | 23:00 |
| basso | zniavre: yes i see that now at their site | 23:00 |
| basso | johnhamelink: hehe yes :) | 23:01 |
| zniavre | this card can't run unity :o( i have the feeling new interfaces must be on recent hardwares | 23:01 |
| basso | zniavre: there are always alternatives, but i know how you feel, got sad myself when my old cards didnt really like new fancy 3d drivers desktops :3 | 23:02 |
| basso | zniavre: well you do have unity 2d avalible at the repos | 23:03 |
| zniavre | i stick with gnome until they will upgrade to gnome3 and then maybe switch to xfce | 23:03 |
| zniavre | unity2d is not the experience like unity | 23:03 |
| basso | zniavre: but its 2d, and a dock and the universal-gnome-panel-thingi :) | 23:04 |
| basso | but gnome shell eats ram | 23:05 |
| zniavre | that s true but unity is much better | 23:05 |
| basso | i beg to differ | 23:05 |
| zniavre | :o) | 23:06 |
| basso | the desktop experience unity, which uses compiz, a compiz-plugin dock called unity, and a modified gnome panel isnt that good, and i cant handle compiz because of vertical tearing and performance | 23:06 |
| basso | with mutter in gnome shell, i dont have any vertical tearing what so ever, i pooped myself when i found out :O | 23:07 |
| basso | and the workflow is so much better | 23:07 |
| basso | i finaly now can have the ugliest clutter of windows and programs, and can manage it like a wizard eating brownies | 23:08 |
| zniavre | how did you do with this gfx clocked ? | 23:08 |
| johnhamelink | I think gnome-shell is nicer from a UX perspective | 23:08 |
| basso | its in the nvidia x server settings | 23:08 |
| basso | and in powermizer | 23:09 |
| zniavre | ok i ll check this | 23:09 |
| basso | johnhamelink: UX perspective? | 23:09 |
| zniavre | thank you | 23:09 |
| basso | zniavre: no problemo :) | 23:09 |
| johnhamelink | basso, yeah the user experience on gnome-shell is nicer in my opinion | 23:09 |
| basso | ah yes | 23:10 |
| basso | that is true | 23:10 |
| basso | but the biggest challenge, is getting a child to use it | 23:10 |
| johnhamelink | Yep | 23:10 |
| basso | i want to see how children react to it :O | 23:10 |
| basso | i remember when i used my first computer | 23:11 |
| johnhamelink | :) | 23:11 |
| basso | 166mhz, 16mb ram Windows 95 best of doom | 23:11 |
| basso | beast* | 23:11 |
| basso | i thought the dos prompt was a text editor | 23:11 |
| johnhamelink | lol | 23:11 |
| basso | and now my main computer is a macbook pro with ubuntu and gnome 3 | 23:12 |
| basso | and no, i dont recommend running gnome 3 on your main computer xD | 23:12 |
| zniavre | :o) | 23:12 |
| johnhamelink | I'm on a shitty toshiba, and this is my main computer right now :P | 23:12 |
| basso | the computer running this stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/narvik-studentradio is a P3 running lubuntu | 23:13 |
| johnhamelink | nice :P | 23:13 |
| basso | thats so nice about GNU/Linux, there is something for everything, no matter how crappy the hardware | 23:14 |
| Omega | *mature | 23:15 |
| Omega | :) | 23:15 |
| basso | ^^ | 23:17 |
| basso | i just found the best wallpaper in the world | 23:17 |
| basso | and i cant get it out :O | 23:19 |
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