[08:03] alex3f: just fyi there's a s-c session at uds starting shortly in #ubuntu-uds-dery. There's also a live audio stream. More info at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ [08:03] kiwinote: thank you [08:27] ricotz: I don´t think I got your message, whatever it was ;) [08:29] cyphermox, hi, it was a pm, let me send it again [11:12] Cimi: you need to put it in oneiric either way [11:12] Cimi: for the rest I think I need to look at the bug first [11:14] hi ya guys [11:15] no ones awake here either? [11:20] kenvandine, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/ [11:20] that's pretty cool [11:21] it's something else that the mozilla guys are working on ;) [11:24] chrisccoulson, stop trying to sell your crack there ;-) [11:24] * kenvandine tries [11:24] seb128, chrisccoulson: if we get tbird by default we should look at disabling the message syncing by default [11:24] that can be huge... [11:25] kenvandine, i will talk to them about that [11:25] kenvandine, the message syncing? [11:25] by default it downloads all your messages [11:25] in all your folders [11:25] kenvandine, it would probably be better to limit it to the last 100 messages or something [11:25] perhaps [11:25] kenvandine, like the content? [11:26] yes [11:26] like on my cell phone ;) [11:26] that's mad [11:26] indeed [11:26] i have nearly 8G in my gmail... [11:26] chrisccoulson, i really prefer the lazy method that evo uses [11:26] it works very well [11:27] the download all messages works fine when you get a small inbox [11:27] sure... [11:27] seb128, hello [11:28] hi ricotz [11:28] seb128, is there a nice package list for gnome and its close dependencies? [11:29] ricotz, check the jhbuild components list upstream maybe? [11:29] ricotz, what are you trying to do or get? [11:29] hmm, that might work [11:29] i just want to have an overview of its deps [11:30] to know which package might need to be synced to natty if there are dependency bumps [11:37] ricotz: quick jhbuild hack, http://paste.debian.net/116845/ [11:38] fredp, thanks! [11:39] fredp, which jhbuild module is this from? [11:39] gnome-suite-core-deps-3.0 [11:40] ok [11:40] ricotz: basically it is jhbuild -m gnome-apps-3.0 list -r and a hack to only get modules from suite-core-deps [12:53] something has been decided for gnome-shell in oneiric? [13:04] bigon: what's your question? [13:06] jbicha: I was asking about the inclusion [13:07] bigon: Gnome Shell won't be on the CD but it will be in the repositories, I think in main [13:08] jbicha: alright thx [14:03] Riddell, no kubuntu LightDM session? [15:37] wow, perfect timing didrocks :) [15:37] Amaranth: hum? ;) [15:37] didrocks: want to get http://git.compiz.org/compiz/plugins/wall/commit/?id=bff12446188ea4d56b8e14f1f649c9a544c009fa in oneiric ASAP so we can get it SRU'ed [15:38] smspillaz suggested I talk to you rather than push to bzr, upload, and file an SRU bug :) [15:38] Amaranth: we have other SRU to upload, can that wait on Monday? [15:38] (compiz SRU I mean) [15:38] sure [15:38] Amaranth: can you add patch/bzr push ? [15:39] Amaranth: and of course, do the SRU paperwork :) [15:39] heh, sure [15:39] Amaranth: oh that one (slow internet connexionà [15:40] Amaranth: I already discussed with the SRU team about that one [15:40] Yeah, I keep almost disconnecting from IRC [15:40] Amaranth: it's a "UI change" not sure we can SRU it [15:40] well UI/experience change [15:40] but I agree definitively for oneiric :) [15:40] didrocks: Yes but I heard that was when everyone thought it would need some new feature added to the code so I was hoping we could try since it's so simple [15:41] Amaranth: let me check with pitti before you bzr push, ok? (there is a recent compiz bug about it IIRC) [15:41] was just looking for a bug to attach this to actually [16:22] Has anyone seen behaviour such as this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/757331 ? [16:22] Launchpad bug 757331 in wine "Display freeze randomly when using Unity desktop (particularly with Windows apps run using wine)" [Undecided,Fix committed] [16:22] It's the exact same behaviour for me, although I haven't touched Wine for ages. [16:22] And I can't reproduce it -- it's absolutely random [16:23] No pattern to the freezing. Although Spotify (linux ver.) is still playing music in the background, the mouse cursor is still moving -- the desktop is just locked to any interaction. [16:23] I can switch to a terminal and restart GDM, which solves it.. That's all I've found to fix it thus far (which is frustrating given that all my apps need reloading) [16:24] To clarify, this only happens in Unity, not Gnome Shell [16:24] (And yes, I have the gnome3/xorg-edgers PPAs installed. Which could well be related.) [22:30] wooooo! [22:34] everything works nice again! :D [22:34] Hi, is this a good place to work about gnome-3? [22:35] *talk [22:35] yeah sure [22:35] either here or in the gnome-shell channel in irc.gnome.org [22:35] depends on the question [22:35] I installed gnome-3 from the PPA, but I have artifacts on the bar on the top of the screen, as well as when any kind of animation is triggered [22:36] I followed the install guide on askubuntu.com [22:36] what gfx card and what driver? [22:36] lspci says I'm using a "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]" [22:36] How do I detect which driver is enabled? [22:36] uhhh ati :D [22:37] usualy at "Hardware Drivers" [22:37] Where, sorry? [22:37] ah wops [22:38] the program is called "Additional Drivers" [22:38] there you can install and uninstall drivers that are avalible at ubuntus repos [22:38] Yeah, the official drivers are installed and enabled [22:39] and you have artifacts problems? [22:39] Yes, and I can't take a picture of exactly what I see, either [22:40] so a screen shot wont capture it.. hmm [22:40] It does, it's just different [22:40] well, you can try to install the newest drivers from a ppa [22:40] xorg something [22:40] Ok? [22:40] * basso starts googleing [22:40] Thanks basso :) [22:40] you have the nice gang here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates [22:41] i used them before for nvidia drivers [22:41] Ok, I'll try that :) [22:41] Here's a pic, by the way [22:41] http://imgur.com/rfX1O [22:41] As I said, it's not exactly what I see [22:42] you might want to find a guide for installing on that ppa [22:42] I've just done an upgrade [22:42] can you try to restart gnome shell [22:42] that should work [22:42] by running alt+f2 and typing r [22:42] Ok [22:43] Hmm, interesting [22:43] what did happen? [22:43] it looks better now, but the icons are still muddled [22:43] hehe [22:44] well maybe a driver update might help [22:44] and the artifacts are gone when animating [22:44] uhhh [22:44] Awesome, I'll let you know how it goes :) [22:44] well its atleast an improvement [22:44] yeah :) [22:44] yeah you just drop inn here after your done, ill be sticking around for a while^^ [22:44] Awesome, cheers :) [22:45] ok, brb :) [22:45] okidoki [22:47] my fear is, after the driver update, we will never see him again :O [22:50] It has begun [22:51] :o) [22:52] ^^ [22:53] i reinstalled the whole system yesterday cause gnome3/shell unsuccessfull test [22:54] aiai? [22:54] what happened? [22:54] what was the problem? [22:55] i think my hardware is too old (nvidia/nouveau were slow ) [22:55] i use the propiatierearyea drivers [22:55] on the 9600 [22:55] and yes [22:55] gnome shell gets slow sometimes on nviida [22:55] nvidia* [22:56] ho ? [22:56] that is because when using the proproerieyat drivers (cant spell it), nvidia has a nice feature to clock down the card dynamicly [22:56] and when gnome shell was slow, the card was clocked to a minimum [22:56] Hi again [22:57] so natrualy i put it on maximum performance [22:57] Hello hello johnhamelink [22:57] so did you survive? [22:57] Yeah, no luck [22:57] basso i did not know this point , any idea how to workaround this point ? [22:57] I survived, but no progress, unfortunately = [22:57] *=/ [22:57] zniavre: but how slow was it?, what gfx card and what drivers? [22:57] johnhamelink: aw thats bad :( [22:58] johnhamelink: last time i check the gnome shell bugtracker, there were alot related to gfx, so it might be fixed in the future [22:58] gfx is fx5500 with 173.14.30 nvidia (repos and binary) and nouveau the lag was like one minute between clic and action [22:59] awww.. the fx5500 is indeed an old card [22:59] and i dont think its supported anymore by nvidia.. i think [22:59] Ok thanks basso, I guess I'll have to wait it out :) [23:00] they supply driver (at least to e compiled with recent kernel) [23:00] be* [23:00] zniavre: yes i see that now at their site [23:01] johnhamelink: hehe yes :) [23:01] this card can't run unity :o( i have the feeling new interfaces must be on recent hardwares [23:02] zniavre: there are always alternatives, but i know how you feel, got sad myself when my old cards didnt really like new fancy 3d drivers desktops :3 [23:03] zniavre: well you do have unity 2d avalible at the repos [23:03] i stick with gnome until they will upgrade to gnome3 and then maybe switch to xfce [23:03] unity2d is not the experience like unity [23:04] zniavre: but its 2d, and a dock and the universal-gnome-panel-thingi :) [23:05] but gnome shell eats ram [23:05] that s true but unity is much better [23:05] i beg to differ [23:06] :o) [23:06] the desktop experience unity, which uses compiz, a compiz-plugin dock called unity, and a modified gnome panel isnt that good, and i cant handle compiz because of vertical tearing and performance [23:07] with mutter in gnome shell, i dont have any vertical tearing what so ever, i pooped myself when i found out :O [23:07] and the workflow is so much better [23:08] i finaly now can have the ugliest clutter of windows and programs, and can manage it like a wizard eating brownies [23:08] how did you do with this gfx clocked ? [23:08] I think gnome-shell is nicer from a UX perspective [23:08] its in the nvidia x server settings [23:09] and in powermizer [23:09] ok i ll check this [23:09] johnhamelink: UX perspective? [23:09] thank you [23:09] zniavre: no problemo :) [23:09] basso, yeah the user experience on gnome-shell is nicer in my opinion [23:10] ah yes [23:10] that is true [23:10] but the biggest challenge, is getting a child to use it [23:10] Yep [23:10] i want to see how children react to it :O [23:11] i remember when i used my first computer [23:11] :) [23:11] 166mhz, 16mb ram Windows 95 best of doom [23:11] beast* [23:11] i thought the dos prompt was a text editor [23:11] lol [23:12] and now my main computer is a macbook pro with ubuntu and gnome 3 [23:12] and no, i dont recommend running gnome 3 on your main computer xD [23:12] :o) [23:12] I'm on a shitty toshiba, and this is my main computer right now :P [23:13] the computer running this stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/narvik-studentradio is a P3 running lubuntu [23:13] nice :P [23:14] thats so nice about GNU/Linux, there is something for everything, no matter how crappy the hardware [23:15] *mature [23:15] :) [23:17] ^^ [23:17] i just found the best wallpaper in the world [23:19] and i cant get it out :O