[08:03] <kiwinote> alex3f: just fyi there's a s-c session at uds starting shortly in #ubuntu-uds-dery. There's also a live audio stream. More info at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[08:03] <alex3f> kiwinote: thank you
[08:27] <cyphermox> ricotz: I don´t think I got your message, whatever it was ;)
[08:29] <ricotz> cyphermox, hi, it was a pm, let me send it again
[11:12] <pitti> Cimi: you need to put it in oneiric either way
[11:12] <pitti> Cimi: for the rest I think I need to look at the bug first
[11:14] <Us3r_Unfriendly> hi ya guys
[11:15] <Us3r_Unfriendly> no ones awake here either?
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> that's pretty cool
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> it's something else that the mozilla guys are working on ;)
[11:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, stop trying to sell your crack there ;-)
[11:24]  * kenvandine tries
[11:24] <kenvandine> seb128, chrisccoulson: if we get tbird by default we should look at disabling the message syncing by default
[11:24] <kenvandine> that can be huge...
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i will talk to them about that
[11:25] <seb128> kenvandine, the message syncing?
[11:25] <kenvandine> by default it downloads all your messages
[11:25] <kenvandine> in all your folders
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it would probably be better to limit it to the last 100 messages or something
[11:25] <kenvandine> perhaps
[11:25] <seb128> kenvandine, like the content?
[11:26] <kenvandine> yes
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> like on my cell phone ;)
[11:26] <seb128> that's mad
[11:26] <kenvandine> indeed
[11:26] <kenvandine> i have nearly 8G in my gmail...
[11:26] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i really prefer the lazy method that evo uses
[11:26] <kenvandine> it works very well
[11:27] <seb128> the download all messages works fine when you get a small inbox
[11:27] <kenvandine> sure...
[11:27] <ricotz> seb128, hello
[11:28] <seb128> hi ricotz
[11:28] <ricotz> seb128, is there a nice package list for gnome and its close dependencies?
[11:29] <seb128> ricotz, check the jhbuild components list upstream maybe?
[11:29] <seb128> ricotz, what are you trying to do or get?
[11:29] <ricotz> hmm, that might work
[11:29] <ricotz> i just want to have an overview of its deps
[11:30] <ricotz> to know which package might need to be synced to natty if there are dependency bumps
[11:37] <fredp> ricotz: quick jhbuild hack, http://paste.debian.net/116845/
[11:38] <ricotz> fredp, thanks!
[11:39] <ricotz> fredp, which jhbuild module is this from?
[11:39] <fredp> gnome-suite-core-deps-3.0
[11:40] <ricotz> ok
[11:40] <fredp> ricotz: basically it is jhbuild -m gnome-apps-3.0 list -r and a hack to only get modules from suite-core-deps
[12:53] <bigon> something has been decided for gnome-shell in oneiric?
[13:04] <jbicha> bigon: what's your question?
[13:06] <bigon> jbicha: I was asking about the inclusion
[13:07] <jbicha> bigon: Gnome Shell won't be on the CD but it will be in the repositories, I think in main
[13:08] <bigon> jbicha: alright thx
[14:03] <robert_ancell> Riddell, no kubuntu LightDM session?
[15:37] <Amaranth> wow, perfect timing didrocks :)
[15:37] <didrocks> Amaranth: hum? ;)
[15:37] <Amaranth> didrocks: want to get http://git.compiz.org/compiz/plugins/wall/commit/?id=bff12446188ea4d56b8e14f1f649c9a544c009fa in oneiric ASAP so we can get it SRU'ed
[15:38] <Amaranth> smspillaz suggested I talk to you rather than push to bzr, upload, and file an SRU bug :)
[15:38] <didrocks> Amaranth: we have other SRU to upload, can that wait on Monday?
[15:38] <didrocks> (compiz SRU I mean)
[15:38] <Amaranth> sure
[15:38] <didrocks> Amaranth: can you add patch/bzr push ?
[15:39] <didrocks> Amaranth: and of course, do the SRU paperwork :)
[15:39] <Amaranth> heh, sure
[15:39] <didrocks> Amaranth: oh that one (slow internet connexionà
[15:40] <didrocks> Amaranth: I already discussed with the SRU team about that one
[15:40] <Amaranth> Yeah, I keep almost disconnecting from IRC
[15:40] <didrocks> Amaranth: it's a "UI change" not sure we can SRU it
[15:40] <didrocks> well UI/experience change
[15:40] <didrocks> but I agree definitively for oneiric :)
[15:40] <Amaranth> didrocks: Yes but I heard that was when everyone thought it would need some new feature added to the code so I was hoping we could try since it's so simple
[15:41] <didrocks> Amaranth: let me check with pitti before you bzr push, ok? (there is a recent compiz bug about it IIRC)
[15:41] <Amaranth> was just looking for a bug to attach this to actually
[16:22] <Tommeh> Has anyone seen behaviour such as this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/757331 ?
[16:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 757331 in wine "Display freeze randomly when using Unity desktop (particularly with Windows apps run using wine)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[16:22] <Tommeh> It's the exact same behaviour for me, although I haven't touched Wine for ages.
[16:22] <Tommeh> And I can't reproduce it -- it's absolutely random
[16:23] <Tommeh> No pattern to the freezing. Although Spotify (linux ver.) is still playing music in the background, the mouse cursor is still moving -- the desktop is just locked to any interaction.
[16:23] <Tommeh> I can switch to a terminal and restart GDM, which solves it.. That's all I've found to fix it thus far (which is frustrating given that all my apps need reloading)
[16:24] <Tommeh> To clarify, this only happens in Unity, not Gnome Shell
[16:24] <Tommeh> (And yes, I have the gnome3/xorg-edgers PPAs installed. Which could well be related.)
[22:30] <basso> wooooo!
[22:34] <basso> everything works nice again! :D
[22:34] <johnhamelink> Hi, is this a good place to work about gnome-3?
[22:35] <johnhamelink> *talk
[22:35] <basso> yeah sure
[22:35] <basso> either here or in the gnome-shell channel in irc.gnome.org
[22:35] <basso> depends on the question
[22:35] <johnhamelink> I installed gnome-3 from the PPA, but I have artifacts on the bar on the top of the screen, as well as when any kind of animation is triggered
[22:36] <johnhamelink> I followed the install guide on askubuntu.com
[22:36] <basso> what gfx card and what driver?
[22:36] <johnhamelink> lspci says I'm using a "01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]"
[22:36] <johnhamelink> How do I detect which driver is enabled?
[22:36] <basso> uhhh ati :D
[22:37] <basso> usualy at "Hardware Drivers"
[22:37] <johnhamelink> Where, sorry?
[22:37] <basso> ah wops
[22:38] <basso> the program is called "Additional Drivers"
[22:38] <basso> there you can install and uninstall drivers that are avalible at ubuntus repos
[22:38] <johnhamelink> Yeah, the official drivers are installed and enabled
[22:39] <basso> and you have artifacts problems?
[22:39] <johnhamelink> Yes, and I can't take a picture of exactly what I see, either
[22:40] <basso> so a screen shot wont capture it.. hmm
[22:40] <johnhamelink> It does, it's just different
[22:40] <basso> well, you can try to install the newest drivers from a ppa
[22:40] <basso> xorg something
[22:40] <johnhamelink> Ok?
[22:40]  * basso starts googleing
[22:40] <johnhamelink> Thanks basso :)
[22:40] <basso> you have the nice gang here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[22:41] <basso> i used them before for nvidia drivers
[22:41] <johnhamelink> Ok, I'll try that :)
[22:41] <johnhamelink> Here's a pic, by the way
[22:41] <johnhamelink> http://imgur.com/rfX1O
[22:41] <johnhamelink> As I said, it's not exactly what I see
[22:42] <basso> you might want to find a guide for installing on that ppa
[22:42] <johnhamelink> I've just done an upgrade
[22:42] <basso> can you try to restart gnome shell
[22:42] <johnhamelink> that should work
[22:42] <basso> by running alt+f2 and typing r
[22:42] <johnhamelink> Ok
[22:43] <johnhamelink> Hmm, interesting
[22:43] <basso> what did happen?
[22:43] <johnhamelink> it looks better now, but the icons are still muddled
[22:43] <basso> hehe
[22:44] <basso> well maybe a driver update might help
[22:44] <johnhamelink> and the artifacts are gone when animating
[22:44] <basso> uhhh
[22:44] <johnhamelink> Awesome, I'll let you know how it goes :)
[22:44] <basso> well its atleast an improvement
[22:44] <johnhamelink> yeah :)
[22:44] <basso> yeah you just drop inn here after your done, ill be sticking around for a while^^
[22:44] <johnhamelink> Awesome, cheers :)
[22:45] <johnhamelink> ok, brb :)
[22:45] <basso> okidoki
[22:47] <basso> my fear is, after the driver update, we will never see him again :O
[22:50] <basso> It has begun
[22:51] <zniavre> :o)
[22:52] <basso> ^^
[22:53] <zniavre> i reinstalled the whole system yesterday cause gnome3/shell unsuccessfull test
[22:54] <basso> aiai?
[22:54] <basso> what happened?
[22:54] <basso> what was the problem?
[22:55] <zniavre> i think my hardware is too old (nvidia/nouveau were slow )
[22:55] <basso> i use the propiatierearyea drivers
[22:55] <basso> on the 9600
[22:55] <basso> and yes
[22:55] <basso> gnome shell gets slow sometimes on nviida
[22:55] <basso> nvidia*
[22:56] <zniavre> ho ?
[22:56] <basso> that is because when using the proproerieyat drivers (cant spell it), nvidia has a nice feature to clock down the card dynamicly
[22:56] <basso> and when gnome shell was slow, the card was clocked to a minimum
[22:56] <johnhamelink> Hi again
[22:57] <basso> so natrualy i put it on maximum performance
[22:57] <basso> Hello hello johnhamelink
[22:57] <basso> so did you survive?
[22:57] <johnhamelink> Yeah, no luck
[22:57] <zniavre> basso i did not know this point , any idea how to workaround this point ?
[22:57] <johnhamelink> I survived, but no progress, unfortunately =
[22:57] <johnhamelink> *=/
[22:57] <basso> zniavre: but how slow was it?, what gfx card and what drivers?
[22:57] <basso> johnhamelink: aw thats bad :(
[22:58] <basso> johnhamelink: last time i check the gnome shell bugtracker, there were alot related to gfx, so it might be fixed in the future
[22:58] <zniavre> gfx is fx5500 with 173.14.30 nvidia (repos and binary) and nouveau  the lag was like one minute between clic and action
[22:59] <basso> awww.. the fx5500 is indeed an old card
[22:59] <basso> and i dont think its supported anymore by nvidia.. i think
[22:59] <johnhamelink> Ok thanks basso, I guess I'll have to wait it out :)
[23:00] <zniavre> they supply driver (at least to e compiled with recent kernel)
[23:00] <zniavre> be*
[23:00] <basso> zniavre: yes i see that now at their site
[23:01] <basso> johnhamelink: hehe yes :)
[23:01] <zniavre> this card can't run unity  :o(  i have the feeling new interfaces must be on recent hardwares
[23:02] <basso> zniavre: there are always alternatives, but i know how you feel, got sad myself when my old cards didnt really like new fancy 3d drivers desktops :3
[23:03] <basso> zniavre: well you do have unity 2d avalible at the repos
[23:03] <zniavre> i stick with gnome until they will upgrade to gnome3 and then maybe switch to xfce
[23:03] <zniavre> unity2d is not the experience like unity
[23:04] <basso> zniavre: but its 2d, and a dock and the universal-gnome-panel-thingi :)
[23:05] <basso> but gnome shell eats ram
[23:05] <zniavre> that s true but unity is much better
[23:05] <basso> i beg to differ
[23:06] <zniavre> :o)
[23:06] <basso> the desktop experience unity, which uses compiz, a compiz-plugin dock called unity, and a modified gnome panel isnt that good, and i cant handle compiz because of vertical tearing and performance
[23:07] <basso> with mutter in gnome shell, i dont have any vertical tearing what so ever, i pooped myself when i found out :O
[23:07] <basso> and the workflow is so much better
[23:08] <basso> i finaly now can have the ugliest clutter of windows and programs, and can manage it like a wizard eating brownies
[23:08] <zniavre> how did you do with this gfx clocked ?
[23:08] <johnhamelink> I think gnome-shell is nicer from a UX perspective
[23:08] <basso> its in the nvidia x server settings
[23:09] <basso> and in powermizer
[23:09] <zniavre> ok i ll check this
[23:09] <basso> johnhamelink: UX perspective?
[23:09] <zniavre> thank you
[23:09] <basso> zniavre: no problemo :)
[23:09] <johnhamelink> basso, yeah the user experience on gnome-shell is nicer in my opinion
[23:10] <basso> ah yes
[23:10] <basso> that is true
[23:10] <basso> but the biggest challenge, is getting a child to use it
[23:10] <johnhamelink> Yep
[23:10] <basso> i want to see how children react to it :O
[23:11] <basso> i remember when i used my first computer
[23:11] <johnhamelink> :)
[23:11] <basso> 166mhz, 16mb ram Windows 95 best of doom
[23:11] <basso> beast*
[23:11] <basso> i thought the dos prompt was a text editor
[23:11] <johnhamelink> lol
[23:12] <basso> and now my main computer is a macbook pro with ubuntu and gnome 3
[23:12] <basso> and no, i dont recommend running gnome 3 on your main computer xD
[23:12] <zniavre> :o)
[23:12] <johnhamelink> I'm on a shitty toshiba, and this is my main computer right now :P
[23:13] <basso> the computer running this stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/narvik-studentradio is a P3 running lubuntu
[23:13] <johnhamelink> nice :P
[23:14] <basso> thats so nice about GNU/Linux, there is something for everything, no matter how crappy the hardware
[23:15] <Omega> *mature
[23:15] <Omega> :)
[23:17] <basso> ^^
[23:17] <basso> i just found the best wallpaper in the world
[23:19] <basso> and i cant get it out :O