| monotoko | British trains annoy me...they need a more reliable computer system >.> | 01:28 |
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| MattJ | monotoko: except for the displays next to the seats /in/ the trains, it's usually been ok for me | 01:42 |
| monotoko | MattJ, I asked the online system for a standard class ticket for a very long journey tomorrow...it crashed, when it came back it charged me for a first class | 01:43 |
| ball | They have displays next to seats in trains now? | 01:43 |
| monotoko | seems I'm riding first class tomorrow...some money I could have done without spending really ._. | 01:44 |
| MattJ | ball: a small LCD to indicate whether the seat is available or reserved | 01:44 |
| MattJ | It's always wrong, so everyone just ignores them | 01:44 |
| ball | Wow, that's high tech. | 01:44 |
| ball | They used to just stick a piece of card in a slot on top of the chair. | 01:45 |
| ball | (British Rail) | 01:45 |
| MattJ | They still do on some lines, I believe | 01:45 |
| MattJ | So old-fashioned :) | 01:45 |
| monotoko | they do on East Coast | 01:52 |
| exobuzz | unity works with the latest emgd on my joggler. heh. finally | 02:04 |
| exobuzz | not that i want to use it but. better than crashing | 02:04 |
| * ball imagines Britain has free monorails everywhere now. | 02:05 | |
| ^zenhoobb-it | hi! | 02:05 |
| * MattJ hops on the monorail to bed | 02:08 | |
| ball | ...and hovverboards. | 02:12 |
| ging | is there a way to enable spell checking on gnome terminal on ubuntu? | 07:02 |
| kaushal | Hi | 07:24 |
| kaushal | Dell vostro 1014 ubuntu 11.04 keyboard issue | 07:24 |
| kaushal | Any clue | 07:24 |
| popey | not with that limited set of detail | 07:34 |
| AlanBell | http://doodle.com/53dpqtd6qgbvdpmp | 07:41 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 07:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning all | 07:55 |
| popey | lo | 07:55 |
| popey | !keyring | 07:58 |
| popey | bah | 07:58 |
| MartijnVdS | !popey | 08:01 |
| lubotu3 | popey is the UK alternative to elvis. | 08:01 |
| MartijnVdS | ha | 08:02 |
| DJones | Morning | 08:07 |
| awilkins | Is there a way to distinguish between Unity and GNOME from a shell script (e.g. env variables?) | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: You should be able to do a dbus query? | 08:36 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 08:40 |
| awilkins | MartijnVdS, The only query I can see worth executing would be ListNames, but I don't see a value in there that would tell me I'm running Unity over GNOME | 08:43 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: Try querying the Launcher API | 08:43 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: Gnome doesn't have it, Unity does | 08:44 |
| awilkins | It's only so I can make an rdesktop window 24 pixesl shorter when I'm in Unity :-) | 08:44 |
| MartijnVdS | wait, that works the other way around | 08:44 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: ask gord, he'll know | 08:44 |
| MartijnVdS | ♫ Gord only knows | 08:49 |
| MartijnVdS | *ahem* | 08:49 |
| awilkins | Unity gets another chance today. Had switched back to GNOME to avoid bug #781618 but I'm giving Unity another go so I must like it in some way. | 08:50 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 781618 in eclipse (Ubuntu) "Editor windows enter a read only state on screen locks and workspace changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781618 | 08:50 |
| gord | no environment variables that i am aware of, sorry. you can check com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service to see if that exists over dbus. or you could just modify the unity script in /usr/bin/unity to set whatever environment variable you want | 08:50 |
| TheAshMan | Anyone recommend any server monitoring tools to output usage statistics? | 08:51 |
| awilkins | gord, Thanks ; seems a bit odd that DESKTOP_SESSION still says "gnome" but I suspect that's for backward compatibility | 08:51 |
| gord | awilkins, yeah, its not really a completely new session, its just a new shell... soo.. but yeah solidifying the story here is something we'll try to do looking forward | 08:52 |
| awilkins | Is there a "Unity feedback" location? | 08:53 |
| MartijnVdS | launchpad :) | 08:54 |
| awilkins | People must like it, unity-shell only has 2 bugs (and one of them is mine...) | 08:57 |
| hoover | mornin | 08:58 |
| awilkins | Hmmph, bugs in unity, or unity-shell ??? | 08:59 |
| gord | unity | 09:04 |
| awilkins | Just suggestions really | 09:05 |
| DJones | Has anybody tried Chrome OS, I'm tempted to give it a try on a spare laptop & wondered if anybody had tried it & had issues, from what I've read it doesn't require an SSD, but wondered about any hardware issues | 09:06 |
| dutchie | i was under the understanding it is just ubuntu under the covers | 09:08 |
| DJones | dutchie: From what I've read, it seems to be Gentoo based | 09:08 |
| DJones | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS | 09:09 |
| DJones | Although I'm also seeing comments that there are bits of ubuntu in tehre as well, so maybe a bit of a mish mash | 09:10 |
| gord | it was ubuntu, but the guy running it is a gentoo fan... so hey lets override our engineers decisions and end up with a frankendistro =\ | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | gord: i got a segfault in libdbusmenu :/ | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | but i have no idea what to report it against | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/81zEtNxN | 09:14 |
| gord | libdbusmenu maybe? | 09:15 |
| ali1234 | well... ubuntu-bug says that package doesn't exist | 09:15 |
| gord | i'm not on a machine with unity right now so i can't test | 09:16 |
| gord | package name is dbusmenu-glib1 | 09:16 |
| gord | libdbusmenu-glib1 even | 09:16 |
| ali1234 | ah thanks | 09:16 |
| ali1234 | nope, neither of those exists either :/ | 09:17 |
| ali1234 | there's libdbusmenu-glib3 | 09:18 |
| gord | there you go | 09:18 |
| ali1234 | libdbusmenu-glib.so.3 <- oh, of course | 09:18 |
| ali1234 | (from backtrace) | 09:18 |
| gord | ;) | 09:18 |
| oimon | DJones: i was googling last night, and read that chrome OS can't be installed directly onto a eee pc but has to be run within a VM? | 09:26 |
| oimon | sounds strange to me | 09:26 |
| dwatkins | sounds like OS X | 09:27 |
| dwatkins | needing specific hardware, that is | 09:27 |
| popey | i dont think thats the case | 09:27 |
| popey | you can build chromium OS from source for any x86 board | 09:27 |
| oimon | ok, maybe it was the old version they were trying | 09:27 |
| oimon | maybe it didn't have an installer or something | 09:28 |
| daubers | /nick daubers | 09:28 |
| daubers | stupid xchat | 09:28 |
| daubers | morning | 09:28 |
| kazade | morning all | 09:35 |
| oimon | i have found the chromium os rebuilds at http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/vanilla.php, gonna try on my eeee | 09:35 |
| dwatkins | I booted hexxeh's build of Chrome OS on my Eee a while ago. | 09:36 |
| oimon | how did it go dwatkins | 09:37 |
| dwatkins | oimon: it ran fine, although scrolling was a bit slow - probably because it used a generic gfx driver | 09:37 |
| oimon | cool, how long ago was that dwatkins | 09:42 |
| popey | i ran the build script last night on my desktop and it failed :( | 09:42 |
| popey | might clean out and start again | 09:42 |
| popey | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os | 09:43 |
| shauno | I seriously don't 'get' python. if the aim's to make everything difficult, why not just use C | 09:43 |
| BigRedS | I'd heard it was relatively easy? | 09:46 |
| BigRedS | I've never actually written or read any, and I am a Perl sort of person, though | 09:46 |
| dwatkins | oimon: a year or so | 09:46 |
| oimon | ah ok, i'm about to try last night's build | 09:46 |
| oimon | will report back shortly :SD | 09:46 |
| dwatkins | oimon: I imagine it's significantly better now. | 09:47 |
| dwatkins | thanks, I'm interested to know more, oimon | 09:47 |
| oimon | i'm most interested in fast boot | 09:47 |
| dwatkins | I'mma try it in virtualbox on my Mac. | 09:47 |
| * popey starts the build again | 09:49 | |
| oimon | doesn't work on my eee :( get a black screen after the boot splash | 10:03 |
| oimon | ctrl-alt-f2 gives a virtual console tho | 10:03 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:19 |
| brobostigon | good morning bigcalm :) | 10:19 |
| bigcalm | Hi brobostigon, what's happening? | 10:20 |
| brobostigon | bigcalm: nought much, just trying to wake myself upabit. and you? | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | Glad it's Friday, been a long week. | 10:22 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 10:22 |
| BigRedS | well, been a normal week after several short ones :) | 10:23 |
| ali1234 | brobostigon: did you get your arduino interpolation code working? | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | arduino just got a lot more interesting: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html | 10:26 |
| AlanBell | ick | 10:28 |
| AlanBell | that looks like an ugly hack | 10:28 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: yes, i heard about that,could be interesting. i think i have found a solution. let melink you up, i just need to add an equation to it. | 10:29 |
| popey | "link you up" | 10:29 |
| * popey checks he's still in the UK. | 10:29 | |
| kazade | :) | 10:29 |
| * brobostigon sits in the corner. | 10:30 | |
| bigcalm | popey: socity crumbles a little more each day | 10:30 |
| popey | I weep for the future. | 10:31 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaabv2/BareSaabv2.pde | 10:31 |
| * oimon gives up on chromium os until it works on his eee :( | 10:31 | |
| popey | oimon: tried it? | 10:33 |
| ali1234 | goto? srsly? | 10:33 |
| oimon | popey: got a black screen, although virtual console worked but could not login | 10:34 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: it is the only way, i could immediatly think, of doing what i wanted. | 10:34 |
| oimon | i was using the hexxeh vanilla builds | 10:35 |
| ali1234 | brobostigon: i came up with this: http://pastebin.com/Gqfwrnh1 | 10:35 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: looks interesting. i will make a version, and try it, | 10:37 |
| DJones | oimon: It'll probably be an oldish dell laptop that I install on, quite probably won't work, but don't lose out unless I try | 10:41 |
| ali1234 | brobostigon: with comments: http://pastebin.com/nDcs7Ym1 | 10:42 |
| oimon | DJones: yep, it's an unofficial build anyway..maybe there's a fix i just don't know about..seen a few people complaining about the issue without a reslolution | 10:42 |
| popey | oimon: I couldn't get any of the hexxeh builds to work | 10:42 |
| popey | thats why I built my own | 10:42 |
| popey | its dead easy, all scripted | 10:43 |
| oimon | on which hardware popey | 10:43 |
| oimon | do i have to trash my current install, or can i install onto usb? | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | brobostigon: there are bugs, see if you can find them | 10:44 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: i am just looking, | 10:46 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: you seem to have spaces in some places in mathemaics, and not others, | 10:52 |
| ali1234 | that's habit | 10:52 |
| ali1234 | i like to put spaces around + - but not * / | 10:52 |
| ali1234 | because that's how you'd write it if you wrote it out by hand | 10:53 |
| popey | oimon: the build script lets you create a vm image, iso or usb stick | 10:53 |
| ali1234 | but then if it's inside the brackets... it comes before the others | 10:53 |
| ali1234 | so no space | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: oh, i see. | 10:53 |
| ali1234 | but that's just me being weird | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 10:53 |
| popey | oimon: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide is the guide I followed, very easy | 10:56 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: float m . | 10:59 |
| ali1234 | that's not a bug | 10:59 |
| brobostigon | its used,there, and is thenforgotten about. | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | no? | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | it's used on the next two lines? | 11:00 |
| brobostigon | true. | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: i cant see it, i will probeblykickmyself. | 11:03 |
| ali1234 | it's fencepost error | 11:03 |
| brobostigon | ? | 11:04 |
| ali1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error | 11:04 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: and inthe whileloop, points_y does have a position specified. | 11:07 |
| brobostigon | doesnt* | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | why would it? | 11:09 |
| ali1234 | i could have just written 6 there instead of sizeof(points_y) | 11:09 |
| ali1234 | why? | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: because it needs a place inthe arrayto work from, | 11:09 |
| ali1234 | not for the y | 11:10 |
| brobostigon | hmmm, | 11:12 |
| RaycisCharles | Is there a thin client variant of Ubuntu suitable for establishing vnc/ssh sessions? | 11:13 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| shauno | ugh, that's annoying. whois doesn't provide expiry dates for .eu domains | 12:00 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.albertoandreu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Diapositiva11.jpg | 12:28 |
| oimon | nice | 12:30 |
| MartijnVdS | I've found it to be quite accurate :) | 12:36 |
| danfish | ls | 12:41 |
| danfish | oops. morning :) | 12:41 |
| brobostigon | good afternoon danfish :) | 12:42 |
| danfish | o/ | 12:45 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 12:47 |
| danfish | hmm. It's been a morning of fail so far (overwrote a project I'd been working on). I think a hearty lunch is in order | 12:53 |
| DJones | danfish: I'm guessing that from the comment, the backup may have been non-existant or not as up to date as would have been liked | 12:57 |
| gord | oh dear - no backups? | 12:57 |
| gord | not making backups for projects is a thing i keep telling myself i should do somehow nicely | 12:57 |
| danfish | gord: DJones: nah - backups are for wimps ;) | 12:58 |
| * brobostigon thanks git, for his project backup. | 12:58 | |
| danfish | a combination of foremost and grep worked wonders, but I was near to a 'brown trouser' moment for bit | 12:59 |
| DJones | danfish: When I was at college, the lecturer always kept saying that if you didn't have a backup, eventually it'd get your back up | 12:59 |
| gord | well obviously everything is in bzr for me, but that doesn't protect against rm -rf | 12:59 |
| gord | my current workflow is to try and bzr push as much as possible, but thats kind of a pain. idealy i want to store my project files on my NAS so i can get to it from anywhere, but build locally... tricky | 12:59 |
| danfish | version control is on my 'to do' list and has now moved to 'to do today' :) | 13:00 |
| * popey hugs time machine and rsnapshot | 13:00 | |
| brobostigon | sorry, launchpad uses bzr not git. | 13:01 |
| * danfish hugs crashplan (having just remembered I use that) | 13:02 | |
| * popey pokes chromeos build | 13:02 | |
| popey | takes aaaaages | 13:02 |
| popey | Pending 203, Ready 46, Running 1, Retrying 0, Total 286 [Time 7m2.4s Load 3.68 3.59 3.36] | 13:02 |
| popey | come ON! | 13:02 |
| andylockran | ooh | 13:03 |
| gord | you should see how long it takes to do arm builds of ubuntu =\ x86 takes like 20 minutes though | 13:04 |
| gord | so i'm taking a look at my budapest photos, apparently budapest has buses that drive in the river... | 13:05 |
| oimon | popey: which hardware? | 13:09 |
| popey | oimon: hmm? | 13:09 |
| oimon | popey: which hardware u building it on and which hardware u building it for? | 13:09 |
| * hamitron hears the word "build" and gets excited | 13:11 | |
| MartijnVdS | hamitron the builder? | 13:12 |
| oimon | slashdot is a bit broken on chromium :( | 13:13 |
| hamitron | oh no, was thinking more something new on a comp | 13:13 |
| hamitron | :) | 13:13 |
| oimon | whenever i have to use a windows machine i'm always amazed at how long it takes to populate the Add/remove programs list | 13:15 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: Registry isn't optimized for speed | 13:16 |
| gord | huh... managed to make my router overheat and die from uploading photos to my nas... new router time i think | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: Shiny new router time | 13:18 |
| * DJones orders a shiny new gord with less photos | 13:20 | |
| andylockran | Good Afternoon People. | 13:21 |
| gord | oops. i guess i broke g-s-d. unity panel looks snazzy in 1996-o-vision | 13:31 |
| bigcalm | "The current stable release of GNUMP3d is v3.0, which was released upon the 18th of October 2007." - are there any other similar services that are more up to date? | 13:52 |
| Azelphur | bigcalm: VLC? | 13:53 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: mpd? | 13:53 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: does VLC have a web interface? | 13:53 |
| Azelphur | I think so xD | 13:53 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: I'll take a look, ta | 13:53 |
| oimon | trying to work out whether it was the mozzarella for lunch or having to use a windows server for 30 mins that gave me a headache :( | 13:54 |
| kaushal | Hi | 13:54 |
| kaushal | is there a way to know the Serial Number of the Hard disk ? | 13:54 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: what kind of hard disk? USB? SATA? PATA? | 13:54 |
| kaushal | SATA | 13:54 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: check the disk utility | 13:55 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: (palimpsest) | 13:55 |
| kaushal | (palimpsest) ? | 13:55 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: that's the name of the tool, in case you can't find it | 13:55 |
| kaushal | I mean on the server | 13:55 |
| kaushal | will it work on the server ? | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: it's a GUI app, so I guess it won't | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: Next stop: Google :) | 13:56 |
| kaushal | :) | 13:56 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: i tried dmidecode | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: I'd try sdparm -i | 13:56 |
| kaushal | ok | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | or hdparm | 13:56 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: hdparm -i /dev/sda | 14:01 |
| kaushal | worked like a charm | 14:02 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: Thanks | 14:02 |
| kaushal | is it recommended to upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 using update method or clean install method ? | 14:02 |
| MartijnVdS | yes. | 14:03 |
| kaushal | yes for ? | 14:03 |
| MartijnVdS | either :) | 14:03 |
| kaushal | I am not a big fan of upgrade method | 14:04 |
| kaushal | since i need to always watch the screen :( | 14:04 |
| kaushal | I prefer clean install method | 14:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Too bad you lose all custom config that way | 14:05 |
| kaushal | i see | 14:05 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: but is it 100% safe ? | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Upgrade shouldn't be asking too many questions though | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Nothing is 100% safe. Make a backup first -- you'll need to do that if you're going to reinstall anyway | 14:06 |
| kaushal | since i am doing it on a production laptop | 14:06 |
| MartijnVdS | Even a clean install might not work on your hardware | 14:06 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: makes sense | 14:06 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: Just try an upgrade. If it breaks, try a clean install. If that breaks, restore the backup. | 14:06 |
| oimon | struggling to rotate a 3gp video in ubuntu :( stupid ffmpeg comile options | 14:07 |
| kaushal | so 1) backup 2) upgrade if it fails then clean install ? | 14:07 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: compile options? | 14:07 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: why compile options? | 14:07 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: sure | 14:07 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: ok | 14:07 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: it doesn't seem to understand -vf option | 14:08 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: whats the difference b/n upgrade and update :) | 14:08 |
| oimon | seems you need to recompile ffmpeg | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: man apt-get | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: Please just read the release notes, it explains everyhting. | 14:09 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: scary | 14:09 |
| kaushal | MartijnVdS: I mean in general to computing | 14:09 |
| kaushal | release notes of 11.04 ? | 14:09 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: Yes | 14:09 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: you could try using mencoder | 14:09 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: http://thinkmoult.com/2010/04/08/tech-tip-5-rotate-a-video-by-90-degrees-with-mencoder/ | 14:10 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: cheers,. trying now | 14:11 |
| oimon | mencoder sort of worked except it stripped audio and was 8x too fast | 14:15 |
| oimon | i should give up...one of those days | 14:16 |
| oimon | surrpised not more people don't need to rotate videos from their phone | 14:16 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: gstreamer pipeline? :) | 14:16 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: most people just hold their phone correctly.. or use Windows/Mac | 14:16 |
| MartijnVdS | speaking of which | 14:16 |
| MartijnVdS | can't pitivi do it? | 14:16 |
| oimon | ah success! avidemux | 14:18 |
| BigRedS | Hm, I appear unable to add things to the panel in unity, is this by design? | 14:29 |
| popey | yes | 14:30 |
| BigRedS | cool, I'll stop trying :) | 14:30 |
| popey | :) | 14:30 |
| bigcalm | popey: does one have to have a 'pro' account with bit.ly to use ones own domain name? | 14:31 |
| oimon | what's the name of the process that causes your gnome classic to look like win 2000 when it crashes? | 14:31 |
| === speedxco1e is now known as Bonds | ||
| ali1234 | gnome-settings-daemon | 14:31 |
| oimon | ali1234: ta | 14:34 |
| popey | bigcalm: so you going to call up for 30mb now ? :) | 14:57 |
| kaushal | popey: hi | 14:58 |
| kaushal | How many million lines of code in the linux kernel ? | 14:58 |
| MartijnVdS | kaushal: irrelevant :) | 15:00 |
| popey | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-2-6-38-1205467.html?page=6 | 15:01 |
| popey | "14 March 2011 - Linux 2.6.38 was released (14,294,439 lines of code)" | 15:01 |
| MartijnVdS | !irc2google | 15:01 |
| popey | indeed | 15:01 |
| popey | http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+lines+of+code+in+the+linux+kernel | 15:01 |
| popey | thats how I found that information btw | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | popey: have you had your VM paper bill showing that you're not paying any more? | 15:02 |
| daubers | bigcalm: Uh oh... now you're in trouble. VM's billing department is a nightmare | 15:03 |
| kaushal | popey: Thanks | 15:05 |
| brobostigon | is it posible, either within apache, or serperatly, to create statustics and details, of the peoplewhopull pages from apache? | 15:05 |
| popey | yes brobostigon | 15:06 |
| popey | i use webalizer | 15:06 |
| dwatkins | brobostigon: yeah, there are various ways to process the logs | 15:06 |
| popey | http://popey.com/usage/ like that | 15:06 |
| dwatkins | I use webalizer also, although there's also analog. | 15:06 |
| dwatkins | I like the way popey installs analysis software. | 15:07 |
| popey | you do? | 15:07 |
| brobostigon | exactly, that kind of thing popey. | 15:07 |
| dwatkins | I was going to say "I like the way popey thinks" but it would have been ambiguous ;) | 15:07 |
| popey | heh | 15:07 |
| Azelphur | Anyone know what this is about? http://pastebin.com/sa0LeyJX seem to get it on a couple different things I'm trying to compile :P | 15:07 |
| brobostigon | thank you popey :) | 15:08 |
| danfish | Azelphur: it means that you've got a macro that you've possibly not defined correctly :P | 15:09 |
| DJones | Anybody here with Sky anytime plus? I've just been asked whether somebody needs a normal network cable or a crossover one, from what I can see its just a standard patch cable to go from the router to the sky box | 15:09 |
| Azelphur | wow, I'm so enlightened now :P | 15:09 |
| danfish | Azelphur: glad to be of help :D | 15:10 |
| popey | DJones: surely routers auto sense the cable these days? | 15:10 |
| DJones | popey: yeah, probably right there, but the sky receiver is probavly a different matter | 15:11 |
| Azelphur | wow, looks like I'm not the only one, there's 1880 results for an exact quote for that error on google | 15:11 |
| Azelphur | but doesn't seem to be much in the way of solutions :/ | 15:11 |
| danfish | DJones: having cannablised a sky box recently for parts, the network card was suprisingly standard - a realtek chip IIRC, so probably autosensing | 15:14 |
| * davmor2 prods czajkowski | 15:14 | |
| DJones | danfish: i took one apart, but it was an old hd box that wasn't anyime+ compatibe anyway, all I wanted was the hdd out of it | 15:16 |
| danfish | DJones: the only particularly proprietary parts I would find were the tv tuners | 15:20 |
| danfish | the rest looked fairly bog standard | 15:21 |
| DJones | danfish: I didn't look that closely at it, I just found it a pig to get the drive out without breaking the drive/cables | 15:23 |
| brobostigon | ok this is weird, i just installed tried to get into /var/log/apache2/ and it wont let me cd into it, unless i am sudo su, and it wont let mereadfiles fromit, or within it, withnormal sudo nano **. this is weird. | 15:35 |
| popey | they're 640 root:adm owned ? | 15:41 |
| Azelphur | popey: just picked up an amd 6990 for bitcoining :p | 15:42 |
| popey | heh | 15:42 |
| popey | loon | 15:42 |
| Azelphur | :D | 15:42 |
| popey | ouch | 15:42 |
| brobostigon | drwxr-x--- 2 root adm 4096 2011-05-11 09:55 apache2 | 15:43 |
| Azelphur | in other news, is displayport > dvi > vga sane? | 15:44 |
| popey | Azelphur: you're gonna display anything on it? | 15:44 |
| popey | brobostigon: looks right | 15:44 |
| Azelphur | popey: I'm thinking of using it as my main card as well as bitcoin yes, depending largely on how well displayport goes with multi display and wine performance/breakage | 15:45 |
| brobostigon | popey: soif i stick webaliser in cron, it will be able to read the log out of it fine? | 15:45 |
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| popey | brobostigon: yes | 15:51 |
| brobostigon | popey: thts good tohear :) | 15:52 |
| popey | you can read them if you sudo -s | 15:52 |
| brobostigon | ok, let me, try. | 15:53 |
| popey | is this ubuntu or debian? | 15:53 |
| brobostigon | ubuntu 10.04 lts. | 15:53 |
| popey | Azelphur: thats an insanely expensive card | 15:53 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 15:54 |
| bigcalm | It would be nice if VLC player knew that track 10 does not come before track 1. I can see why it's sorted incorrectly, but you'd think that this wouldn't be the default | 15:54 |
| gord | file a bug :) | 15:55 |
| bigcalm | Lazy | 15:55 |
| gord | then you have only yourself to blame | 15:55 |
| bigcalm | Nope, I can blame others and feel quite happy with that | 15:55 |
| ali1234 | at least they're sorted | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | totem just opens them in random order | 15:59 |
| Azelphur | popey: I got it saturday delivery too :p | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | displayport is supposed to support multiple displays on one connector | 16:00 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: nice, I'm interested in how well it actually does quad display though | 16:01 |
| Azelphur | if I'll need to have separate X sessions in order to have >2 displays | 16:01 |
| Azelphur | or loose composite/acceleration | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | all that will be the same | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | its just a connector | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | actual picture comes from the crtc | 16:02 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: the problems with nvidia seem to stem from using separate physical cards in order to get more ports | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | from what i hear ati drivers are just as broken as nvidia when you try to do anything unusual with them | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | no, it's not about ports | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | you can get nvidia card with three ports on it, but you can only use two at once | 16:03 |
| brobostigon | will what i put /etc/cron.**/ automaticlly run, asspecificied inthe timeperiod, both in the folder name,and its reference in /etc/crontab ? | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | ati supports three iirc | 16:03 |
| Azelphur | I see | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | but that's down to the number of crtcs on the card, not the number of ports | 16:03 |
| Azelphur | but my card has 1 dvi + 4 displayport, so what happens when you get to >3? | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | dunno | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | me either :D | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | maybe it does support 4 | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Radeon-HD-6990-Pictures-Sapphire-6990-XFX-6990-Cables-KitGuru.jpg | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | i bet it won't do 5 though | 16:04 |
| Azelphur | hehe only really need it to do 4, although 5 would be nice. | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | i wish nvidia would make a card with more than two crtc | 16:05 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | so its a dual gpu card | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | the probably explains it | 16:07 |
| Azelphur | haha | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | but it might still appear like you have two physical cards to xorg... i dunno | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | so you might end up with same problem | 16:08 |
| Azelphur | hehe, I'll find out soon enough \o/ | 16:12 |
| seeker | Ati use something called eyefinity to do multiple similar monitors | 16:26 |
| seeker | Where the drivers present a single surface covering all of the monitors | 16:27 |
| seeker | 5xxx or 6xxx cards should be able to handle 3 monitors | 16:27 |
| seeker | Although 5xxx cards only have 2 clock generators, so you can only use two of ( dvi, dvi, hdmi) at the same | 16:28 |
| seeker | Time | 16:28 |
| seeker | So 3 monitors requires using a displayport connection | 16:28 |
| Azelphur | seeker I see, not 4 then? :( | 16:30 |
| Tommeh | You can have up to 6 DP monitors on most. | 16:32 |
| Tommeh | If the ports are there. | 16:32 |
| Tommeh | IIRC you can also supplement the pixel generators with active convertors. | 16:32 |
| Tommeh | clock generators, even | 16:32 |
| Tommeh | Probably find more info on that on #radeon | 16:33 |
| Tommeh | Was Bridgeman that I spoke to about it. | 16:33 |
| Azelphur | interesting :P | 16:33 |
| Azelphur | Tommeh: lol that's for open drivers | 16:34 |
| Azelphur | doubt I'mma do much wine gaming on them :D | 16:34 |
| Tommeh | Good luck :) | 16:34 |
| Tommeh | (In either case) | 16:34 |
| Azelphur | hehe :) | 16:34 |
| Tommeh | Asking 'a lot' of the binary driver is always a fun experience. | 16:35 |
| Tommeh | Feature-wise. | 16:35 |
| Azelphur | Tommeh: oh I know, I'm currently doing it with nvidia. | 16:35 |
| Azelphur | it's not a happy bunny. :( | 16:35 |
| Tommeh | But hey, despite the lack of higher OpenGL version support, the 3D performance on Gallium is passable for the most part :) | 16:35 |
| Tommeh | "Usable" I should say | 16:35 |
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| seeker | You can get dp-> dvi converters | 16:40 |
| archon | =~ is the same =! ? | 16:40 |
| bigcalm | No, ~ mean approx. | 16:41 |
| Tommeh | seeker: yes, but unless they're active convertors, it's only possible to drive two DVI/HDMI heads at once. | 16:42 |
| seeker | Yes. Active connectors have come down in price an awful lot now | 16:43 |
| Tommeh | That's good to know. | 16:43 |
| archon | ok thx, have a nice day :) | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | ~ means bitwise invert, ! means boolean not | 16:57 |
| BigRedS | ~ always implies regex to me, from =~ | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: slow Royal Mail is slow :) I got the package _today_ | 17:17 |
| AlanBell | wow :) | 17:18 |
| AlanBell | fwiw popey doesn't have his hat yet | 17:18 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: also RM? | 17:18 |
| AlanBell | no, will be delivered in person at some point when I remember to take it to an event we are both at | 17:19 |
| gord | there are hats involved? | 17:23 |
| gord | i want a hat | 17:23 |
| gord | can i have a hat? | 17:23 |
| gord | do we all get hats? | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | I agree, ubuntu-uk should have hats. | 17:26 |
| gord | if Azelphur gets a hat i want a hat | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | can it be a dunce hat? | 17:27 |
| ball | I've just seen a screen shot of Gnome 3...is that why Ubuntu switched to Unity? | 18:17 |
| * awilkins lost his fedora on the train last year | 18:20 | |
| ball | awilkins: The hat or the installation disc? | 18:21 |
| awilkins | The hat | 18:21 |
| awilkins | Since everyone was talking about hats an hour ago | 18:21 |
| ball | I missed that. | 18:22 |
| ball | Okay, I should get my haircut. | 18:22 |
| ball | Bye! | 18:22 |
| phonex01 | A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation !!!!!!! someone hacked Youtube ??? | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | phonex01: no, someone wrote a bug in youtube code :) | 18:32 |
| phonex01 | how is that !!! | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | People make mistakes | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | coders write bugs | 18:32 |
| phonex01 | oh | 18:32 |
| phonex01 | but it is ok now | 18:32 |
| dutchie | :( chrome update got wedged again | 18:36 |
| jacobw | evening | 19:36 |
| brobostigon | evening jacobw | 19:37 |
| daubers | Evening | 20:21 |
| kkitano | Evening | 20:38 |
| popey | lo | 20:39 |
| AlanBell | o/ popey | 20:48 |
| AlanBell | I got my polycom communicator working on Natty | 20:50 |
| AlanBell | bump up the volume, fiddle for ages with no success, unplug, re-plug, all works! | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | popey: lol, got my gtx570 sustained doing 119Mhash/sec without oc, bitcoin wiki says 105 :) | 20:53 |
| Azelphur | and I'm only using idle time since I actually want my computer to be responsive lol | 20:53 |
| DJones | Azelphur: Your computer has idle time? What happened, power cut? | 21:05 |
| Azelphur | DJones: haha, nah I mean the unused GPU power, when I'm roaming around the desktop I don't really need it | 21:05 |
| Azelphur | when I'm gaming I obviously stop farming | 21:05 |
| DJones | :) | 21:05 |
| Azelphur | DJones: I was just winning in ##hardware http://pastebin.com/YPvsJrkn :P | 21:06 |
| DJones | :) | 21:07 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: what CPU do you have? | 21:22 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: i7 950, I'm not even using it :D | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | ah, the little 950 | 21:22 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 21:23 |
| AlanBell | is this any good? -> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | for bitcoin? | 21:25 |
| popey | Azelphur: my gtx 460 only manages about 48 Mhash | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: yes, or in general | 21:26 |
| Azelphur | popey: hehe | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | it is on a headless server | 21:26 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: it's utterly useless for bitcoin, sorry. OpenCL isn't supported on 3xxx cards. | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | ok | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l -q | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | user 0m24.440s | 21:27 |
| popey | nooo hugo random benchmark! | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | oh OK then | 21:27 |
| popey | http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark | 21:28 |
| popey | time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }' | 21:28 |
| Azelphur | hehe, I'm still 4th on there :D | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | user 0m4.410s | 21:28 |
| Azelphur | I need to clock up my CPU, I got plenty of cooling now :) | 21:29 |
| popey | you made the last edit | 21:29 |
| AlanBell | would probably be faster than that if it wasn't running 10 VMs as well | 21:29 |
| popey | http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=6 | 21:29 |
| kirior | hi all got a (maybe silly) question | 21:29 |
| popey | go for it kirior | 21:29 |
| kirior | how can i get a python programing launguage editor (kinda like the one on the website for linux?) | 21:29 |
| popey | do you have a specific editor in mind? | 21:30 |
| kirior | no | 21:30 |
| kirior | i got | 21:30 |
| popey | gedit works and comes by default | 21:30 |
| kirior | a ok :) | 21:30 |
| Azelphur | 192.71 MH/s Average speed in last 7 minutes wee \o/ | 21:32 |
| popey | nice | 21:33 |
| Azelphur | I reckon once the 6990 arrives my machine will do a gigahash easy | 21:33 |
| popey | cant believe you bought a 500 quid video card | 21:33 |
| * Azelphur is loony :D | 21:34 | |
| AlanBell | http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark | 21:34 |
| popey | mind you btc has doubled in value in a week or so | 21:34 |
| Azelphur | exactly | 21:34 |
| popey | hehe | 21:34 |
| Azelphur | it's an investment with risk, if it doesn't pay off I can just flog the 6990 and get most of the money back | 21:34 |
| popey | sure | 21:34 |
| popey | interesting to see where it goes | 21:35 |
| Azelphur | indeed :) | 21:35 |
| popey | and when the next crash is :) | 21:35 |
| * Azelphur has dreams of building a bitcoin farm | 21:35 | |
| AlanBell | does bitcoin have a tax mechanism? | 21:35 |
| Azelphur | no | 21:36 |
| Azelphur | bitcoins are like cash | 21:36 |
| popey | countdown to it getting shutdown :) | 21:36 |
| * brobostigon thinks, he would rather have the real thing, | 21:36 | |
| Azelphur | lol | 21:37 |
| DJones | Azelphur: I'd say it was more like gambling winnings, cash income gets taxed, gambling winnings are tax free | 21:37 |
| Azelphur | :D | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | DJones: you mean casino chips? | 21:37 |
| DJones | Market traders get taxed, lottery winners don;t get taxed | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | ah, outside the scope of income tax certainly | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | so you mean mined bitcoins are like gambling wins? | 21:39 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Seems like it from how I've heard it described, mined bitcoins depend on random chances & processes | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | yes, but the idea is to build a trading economy on it | 21:40 |
| DJones | Perhaps more like the lottery than casino/horse racing etc | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | so they are promisary notes of some description | 21:40 |
| brobostigon | or gold coins, even better, | 21:40 |
| AlanBell | the mining bit might be chance, but once mined they can be exchanged for goods and services or real money | 21:41 |
| brobostigon | oh, i see. hmmm. | 21:42 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I can see what you're saying, although to me a promisary note would be backed back a hard currency/asset (eg gold etc) what are bitcoins backed by | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | they are backed by the computer effort required to generate them I think | 21:42 |
| kirior | me again :P got this error trying to run my hello world program in python | 21:43 |
| kirior | Warning: unknown mime-type for "Helo World!" -- using "application/octet-stream" | 21:43 |
| kirior | Error: no such file "Helo World!" | 21:43 |
| kirior | what is wrong what am i missing?? | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | how are you trying to run it kirior? | 21:43 |
| kirior | terminal | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | so you saved it as what? "hello.py" or something? | 21:44 |
| kirior | exactly hello.py | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | and you are running "python hello.py" | 21:44 |
| kirior | no i just typed ./hello.py | 21:44 |
| kirior | ok that did the trick | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | did you "chmod +x hello.py"? | 21:45 |
| kirior | yes | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | and what is the first line of the file? | 21:45 |
| kirior | print "Helo World!" | 21:45 |
| kirior | but after your advice | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | #!/usr/bin/env python | 21:45 |
| kirior | /home/marek# python hello.py | 21:45 |
| kirior | Helo World! | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | the first line needs to be a directive of where to find the python interpreter to run the file | 21:46 |
| kirior | shall i add this in every file? | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | every python file you want to be executable with ./foo.py | 21:46 |
| kirior | ok | 21:46 |
| kirior | ok | 21:48 |
| kirior | can i execute them from directory? or just terminal (or if i get more advanced i will learn how to do both depending on what i am expecting from the program to do?) | 21:50 |
| Azelphur | kirior: if your application has a GUI, and you have the directive at the top of the file, you can just double click it in a file browser | 21:50 |
| kirior | ok | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | kirior: if your application doesn't have a GUI, then you'll need to run it from the command line | 21:51 |
| kirior | sounds reasonable | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | :) | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | well, you could run a no gui app from the file browser, you just wouldn't be able to see what it was doing as it has no GUI XD | 21:51 |
| kirior | but if i programmed it so i would know what it was doing :) | 21:53 |
| kirior | any good online beginner tutorial for python? | 21:53 |
| AlanBell | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/27/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t17:03 | 21:53 |
| AlanBell | have a look through that | 21:53 |
| AlanBell | there are lots of tutorials out there, that is one I did | 21:54 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: didn't know you was into snakes :P | 21:54 |
| jacobw | http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html | 21:58 |
| jacobw | ^ very good python based introduction to programming | 22:00 |
| kirior | cool thank you guys for help :) | 22:03 |
| kirior | i think ill hit bed for now, c u all next time :) | 22:03 |
| daubers | \o/ | 22:04 |
| daubers | I solved a driver problem with code \o/ | 22:04 |
| daubers | (Achievment Unlocked) | 22:04 |
| DeathSling | hi all :) anyone here used shorewall? with multiple ISP's? | 22:35 |
| === ocean is now known as Guest25827 | ||
| Guest25827 | hi guys, is there any one here who has made switchable graphics work under linux (ATI+intel), would appreciate some help | 22:37 |
| AlanBell | hi Guest25827 | 22:37 |
| AlanBell | I nearly found the answer last time you were on | 22:38 |
| Guest25827 | hi AlanBell | 22:38 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, would appreciate any help | 22:39 |
| AlanBell | so it was the FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL thing | 22:39 |
| AlanBell | so you have a half installed ATI driver or something | 22:40 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, yes | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | it needs to be uninstalled and the left over bits removed | 22:40 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, i was trying to install fglrx, but it was giving error message | 22:40 |
| Guest25827 | yes | 22:40 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, i have removed it from synaptic as it appeared as broken packages | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | export FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL=/usr/share/ati | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | ^^ run that in terminal, then . . . | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | sudo apt-get install fglrx | 22:42 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, could u explain me what is it going to do? | 22:42 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, i am going to do that anyway | 22:42 |
| AlanBell | bug 565407 | 22:42 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 565407 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu Lucid) "package fglrx (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 - inst_path_default or inst_path_override does not exist in /etc/ati when ATI Drivers are previously installed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565407 | 22:42 |
| AlanBell | similar bug there | 22:42 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, do u need sudo to run that command? | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | what it does is set an environment variable to the location of the half-installed ati drivers | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | Guest25827: I don't think so | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | and when the installer runs it knows it is allowed to force the uninstallation of leftover bits of fglrx from last time it was installed | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | something like that anyhow | 22:44 |
| Guest25827 | i just copied the command export FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL=/usr/share/ati tppenendoothing ha the command line, n | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | yeah, nothing will happen | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | nothing visible anyhow | 22:45 |
| AlanBell | does it let fglrx install cleanly now is the question? | 22:46 |
| Guest25827 | http://pastebin.com/MeBS5ucY | 22:47 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, i got an error message again | 22:47 |
| AlanBell | /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh | 22:47 |
| AlanBell | try that | 22:47 |
| AlanBell | or sudo /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh | 22:47 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, http://pastebin.com/QCqis3sV | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | hmm, I am out of ideas | 22:52 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, its so disappointing! i waited for 11.04 but the unity wouldnt work and getting the error message that there is no hard ware support. compiz is not working on classical desktop as well | 22:55 |
| Guest25827 | looking forward to mint now, if it can do anything | 22:55 |
| AlanBell | file a bug | 22:58 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, how can i do that | 22:59 |
| Guest25827 | AlanBell, i have filed many bugs on switchable graphics,have never been even looked at | 23:01 |
| brobostigon | good night, sleep well. | 23:05 |
| lazybug | i used "sugar" and activated "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard" as my cursor was caught in sugar window how can i disable "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard" | 23:35 |
| Azelphur | Seeker`, when you overclock, does /proc/cpuinfo change? | 23:46 |
| Seeker` | hmm | 23:46 |
| Seeker` | don't think so | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | ah | 23:47 |
| Seeker` | at least, not all of the info | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | that'll explain it not changing then :D | 23:47 |
| Azelphur | mine doesn't change at all | 23:47 |
| Seeker` | because the CPU is still designed as an X GHz processor | 23:47 |
| Seeker` | Azelphur: try dmidecode? | 23:48 |
| Azelphur | Seeker`, yep that says it right :D | 23:49 |
| Azelphur | Seeker`, I'm coming after your perl benchmark record :P | 23:52 |
| popey | hehe | 23:56 |
| AlanBell | how many cores have you got Azelphur? | 23:59 |
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