[01:28] <monotoko> British trains annoy me...they need a more reliable computer system >.>
[01:42] <MattJ> monotoko: except for the displays next to the seats /in/ the trains, it's usually been ok for me
[01:43] <monotoko> MattJ, I asked the online system for a standard class ticket for a very long journey tomorrow...it crashed, when it came back it charged me for a first class
[01:43] <ball> They have displays next to seats in trains now?
[01:44] <monotoko> seems I'm riding first class tomorrow...some money I could have done without spending really ._.
[01:44] <MattJ> ball: a small LCD to indicate whether the seat is available or reserved
[01:44] <MattJ> It's always wrong, so everyone just ignores them
[01:44] <ball> Wow, that's high tech.
[01:45] <ball> They used to just stick a piece of card in a slot on top of the chair.
[01:45] <ball> (British Rail)
[01:45] <MattJ> They still do on some lines, I believe
[01:45] <MattJ> So old-fashioned :)
[01:52] <monotoko> they do on East Coast
[02:04] <exobuzz> unity works with the latest emgd on my joggler. heh. finally
[02:04] <exobuzz> not that i want to use it but. better than crashing
[02:05]  * ball imagines Britain has free monorails everywhere now.
[02:05] <^zenhoobb-it> hi!
[02:08]  * MattJ hops on the monorail to bed
[02:12] <ball> ...and hovverboards.
[07:02] <ging> is there a way to enable spell checking on gnome terminal on ubuntu?
[07:24] <kaushal> Hi
[07:24] <kaushal> Dell vostro 1014 ubuntu 11.04 keyboard issue
[07:24] <kaushal> Any clue
[07:34] <popey> not with that limited set of detail
[07:41] <AlanBell> http://doodle.com/53dpqtd6qgbvdpmp
[07:49] <davmor2> morning all
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[07:55] <popey> lo
[07:58] <popey> !keyring
[07:58] <popey> bah
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> !popey
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> ha
[08:07] <DJones> Morning
[08:35] <awilkins> Is there a way to distinguish between Unity and GNOME from a shell script (e.g. env variables?)
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: You should be able to do a dbus query?
[08:40] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:43] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, The only query I can see worth executing would be ListNames, but I don't see a value in there that would tell me I'm running Unity over GNOME
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Try querying the Launcher API
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Gnome doesn't have it, Unity does
[08:44] <awilkins> It's only so I can make an rdesktop window 24 pixesl shorter when I'm in Unity :-)
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> wait, that works the other way around
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ask gord, he'll know
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Gord only knows
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> *ahem*
[08:50] <awilkins> Unity gets another chance today. Had switched back to GNOME to avoid bug #781618 but I'm giving Unity another go so I must like it in some way.
[08:50] <gord> no environment variables that i am aware of, sorry. you can check com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service to see if that exists over dbus. or you could just modify the unity script in /usr/bin/unity to set whatever environment variable you want
[08:51] <TheAshMan> Anyone recommend any server monitoring tools to output usage statistics?
[08:51] <awilkins> gord, Thanks ; seems a bit odd that DESKTOP_SESSION still says "gnome" but I suspect that's for backward compatibility
[08:52] <gord> awilkins, yeah, its not really a completely new session, its just a new shell... soo.. but yeah solidifying the story here is something we'll try to do looking forward
[08:53] <awilkins> Is there a "Unity feedback" location?
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> launchpad :)
[08:57] <awilkins> People must like it, unity-shell only has 2 bugs (and one of them is mine...)
[08:58] <hoover> mornin
[08:59] <awilkins> Hmmph, bugs in unity, or unity-shell ???
[09:04] <gord> unity
[09:05] <awilkins> Just suggestions really
[09:06] <DJones> Has anybody tried Chrome OS, I'm tempted to give it a try on a spare laptop & wondered if anybody had tried it & had issues, from what I've read it doesn't require an SSD, but wondered about any hardware issues
[09:08] <dutchie> i was under the understanding it is just ubuntu under the covers
[09:08] <DJones> dutchie: From what I've read, it seems to be Gentoo based
[09:09] <DJones> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS
[09:10] <DJones> Although I'm also seeing comments that there are bits of ubuntu in tehre as well, so maybe a bit of a mish mash
[09:12] <gord> it was ubuntu, but the guy running it is a gentoo fan... so hey lets override our engineers decisions and end up with a frankendistro =\
[09:14] <ali1234> gord: i got a segfault in libdbusmenu :/
[09:14] <ali1234> but i have no idea what to report it against
[09:14] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/81zEtNxN
[09:15] <gord> libdbusmenu maybe?
[09:15] <ali1234> well... ubuntu-bug says that package doesn't exist
[09:16] <gord> i'm not on a machine with unity right now so i can't test
[09:16] <gord> package name is dbusmenu-glib1
[09:16] <gord> libdbusmenu-glib1 even
[09:16] <ali1234> ah thanks
[09:17] <ali1234> nope, neither of those exists either :/
[09:18] <ali1234> there's libdbusmenu-glib3
[09:18] <gord> there you go
[09:18] <ali1234> libdbusmenu-glib.so.3 <- oh, of course
[09:18] <ali1234> (from backtrace)
[09:18] <gord> ;)
[09:26] <oimon> DJones: i was googling last night, and read that chrome OS can't be installed directly onto a eee pc but has to be run within a VM?
[09:26] <oimon> sounds strange to me
[09:27] <dwatkins> sounds like OS X
[09:27] <dwatkins> needing specific hardware, that is
[09:27] <popey> i dont think thats the case
[09:27] <popey> you can build chromium OS from source for any x86 board
[09:27] <oimon> ok, maybe it was the old version they were trying
[09:28] <oimon> maybe it didn't have an installer or something
[09:28] <daubers>  /nick daubers
[09:28] <daubers> stupid xchat
[09:28] <daubers> morning
[09:35] <kazade> morning all
[09:35] <oimon> i have found the chromium os rebuilds at http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/vanilla.php, gonna try on my eeee
[09:36] <dwatkins> I booted hexxeh's build of Chrome OS on my Eee a while ago.
[09:37] <oimon> how did it go dwatkins
[09:37] <dwatkins> oimon: it ran fine, although scrolling was a bit slow - probably because it used a generic gfx driver
[09:42] <oimon> cool, how long ago was that dwatkins
[09:42] <popey> i ran the build script last night on my desktop and it failed :(
[09:42] <popey> might clean out and start again
[09:43] <popey> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os
[09:43] <shauno> I seriously don't 'get' python.  if the aim's to make everything difficult, why not just use C
[09:46] <BigRedS> I'd heard it was relatively easy?
[09:46] <BigRedS> I've never actually written or read any, and I am a Perl sort of person, though
[09:46] <dwatkins> oimon: a year or so
[09:46] <oimon> ah ok, i'm about to try last night's build
[09:46] <oimon> will report back shortly :SD
[09:47] <dwatkins> oimon: I imagine it's significantly better now.
[09:47] <dwatkins> thanks, I'm interested to know more, oimon
[09:47] <oimon> i'm most interested in fast boot
[09:47] <dwatkins> I'mma try it in virtualbox on my Mac.
[09:49]  * popey starts the build again
[10:03] <oimon> doesn't work on my eee :( get a black screen after the boot splash
[10:03] <oimon> ctrl-alt-f2 gives a virtual console tho
[10:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning bigcalm :)
[10:20] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon, what's happening?
[10:21] <brobostigon> bigcalm: nought much, just trying to wake myself upabit. and you?
[10:22] <bigcalm> Glad it's Friday, been a long week.
[10:22] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:23] <BigRedS> well, been a normal week after several short ones :)
[10:25] <ali1234> brobostigon: did you get your arduino interpolation code working?
[10:26] <ali1234> arduino just got a lot more interesting: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html
[10:28] <AlanBell> ick
[10:28] <AlanBell> that looks like an ugly hack
[10:29] <brobostigon> ali1234: yes, i heard about that,could be interesting. i think i have found a solution. let melink you up, i just need to add an equation to it.
[10:29] <popey> "link you up"
[10:29]  * popey checks he's still in the UK.
[10:29] <kazade> :)
[10:30]  * brobostigon sits in the corner.
[10:30] <bigcalm> popey: socity crumbles a little more each day
[10:31] <popey> I weep for the future.
[10:31] <brobostigon> ali1234: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaabv2/BareSaabv2.pde
[10:31]  * oimon gives up on chromium os until it works on his eee :(
[10:33] <popey> oimon: tried it?
[10:33] <ali1234> goto? srsly?
[10:34] <oimon> popey: got a black screen, although virtual console worked but could not login
[10:34] <brobostigon> ali1234: it is the only way, i could immediatly think, of doing what i wanted.
[10:35] <oimon> i was using the hexxeh vanilla builds
[10:35] <ali1234> brobostigon: i came up with this: http://pastebin.com/Gqfwrnh1
[10:37] <brobostigon> ali1234: looks interesting. i will make a version, and try it,
[10:41] <DJones> oimon: It'll probably be an oldish dell laptop that I install on, quite probably won't work, but don't lose out unless I try
[10:42] <ali1234> brobostigon: with comments: http://pastebin.com/nDcs7Ym1
[10:42] <oimon> DJones: yep, it's an unofficial build anyway..maybe there's a fix i just don't know about..seen a few people complaining about the issue without a reslolution
[10:42] <popey> oimon: I couldn't get any of the hexxeh builds to work
[10:42] <popey> thats why I built my own
[10:43] <popey> its dead easy, all scripted
[10:43] <oimon> on which hardware popey
[10:44] <oimon> do i have to trash my current install, or can i install onto usb?
[10:44] <ali1234> brobostigon: there are bugs, see if you can find them
[10:46] <brobostigon> ali1234: i am just looking,
[10:52] <brobostigon> ali1234: you seem to have spaces in some places in mathemaics, and not others,
[10:52] <ali1234> that's habit
[10:52] <ali1234> i like to put spaces around + - but not * /
[10:53] <ali1234> because that's how you'd write it if you wrote it out by hand
[10:53] <popey> oimon: the build script lets you create a vm image, iso or usb stick
[10:53] <ali1234> but then if it's inside the brackets... it comes before the others
[10:53] <ali1234> so no space
[10:53] <brobostigon> ali1234: oh, i see.
[10:53] <ali1234> but that's just me being weird
[10:53] <brobostigon> ok.
[10:56] <popey> oimon: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide is the guide I followed, very easy
[10:59] <brobostigon> ali1234: float m .
[10:59] <ali1234> that's not a bug
[11:00] <brobostigon> its used,there, and is thenforgotten about.
[11:00] <ali1234> no?
[11:00] <ali1234> it's used on the next two lines?
[11:01] <brobostigon> true.
[11:03] <brobostigon> ali1234: i cant see it, i will probeblykickmyself.
[11:03] <ali1234> it's fencepost error
[11:04] <brobostigon> ?
[11:04] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error
[11:07] <brobostigon> ali1234: and inthe whileloop, points_y does have a position specified.
[11:08] <brobostigon> doesnt*
[11:09] <ali1234> why would it?
[11:09] <ali1234> i could have just written 6 there instead of sizeof(points_y)
[11:09] <ali1234> why?
[11:09] <brobostigon> ali1234: because it needs a place inthe arrayto work from,
[11:10] <ali1234> not for the y
[11:12] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[11:13] <RaycisCharles> Is there a thin client variant of Ubuntu suitable for establishing vnc/ssh sessions?
[12:00] <shauno> ugh, that's annoying.  whois doesn't provide expiry dates for .eu domains
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> http://www.albertoandreu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Diapositiva11.jpg
[12:30] <oimon> nice
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> I've found it to be quite accurate :)
[12:41] <danfish> ls
[12:41] <danfish> oops. morning :)
[12:42] <brobostigon> good afternoon danfish :)
[12:45] <danfish> o/
[12:47] <brobostigon> o/
[12:53] <danfish> hmm. It's been a morning of fail so far (overwrote a project I'd been working on). I think a hearty lunch is in order
[12:57] <DJones> danfish: I'm guessing that from the comment, the backup may have been non-existant or not as up to date as would have been liked
[12:57] <gord> oh dear - no backups?
[12:57] <gord> not making backups for projects is a thing i keep telling myself i should do somehow nicely
[12:58] <danfish> gord: DJones: nah - backups are for wimps ;)
[12:58]  * brobostigon thanks git, for his project backup.
[12:59] <danfish> a combination of foremost and grep worked wonders, but I was near to a 'brown trouser' moment for bit
[12:59] <DJones> danfish: When I was at college, the lecturer always kept saying that if you didn't have a backup, eventually it'd get your back up
[12:59] <gord> well obviously everything is in bzr for me, but that doesn't protect against rm -rf
[12:59] <gord> my current workflow is to try and bzr push as much as possible, but thats kind of a pain. idealy i want to store my project files on my NAS so i can get to it from anywhere, but build locally... tricky
[13:00] <danfish> version control is on my 'to do' list and has now moved to 'to do today' :)
[13:00]  * popey hugs time machine and rsnapshot
[13:01] <brobostigon> sorry, launchpad uses bzr not git.
[13:02]  * danfish hugs crashplan (having just remembered I use that)
[13:02]  * popey pokes chromeos build
[13:02] <popey> takes aaaaages
[13:02] <popey> Pending 203, Ready 46, Running 1, Retrying 0, Total 286 [Time 7m2.4s Load 3.68 3.59 3.36]
[13:02] <popey> come ON!
[13:03] <andylockran> ooh
[13:04] <gord> you should see how long it takes to do arm builds of ubuntu =\ x86 takes like 20 minutes though
[13:05] <gord> so i'm taking a look at my budapest photos, apparently budapest has buses that drive in the river...
[13:09] <oimon> popey: which hardware?
[13:09] <popey> oimon: hmm?
[13:09] <oimon> popey: which hardware u building it on and which hardware u building it for?
[13:11]  * hamitron hears the word "build" and gets excited
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> hamitron the builder?
[13:13] <oimon> slashdot is a bit broken on chromium :(
[13:13] <hamitron> oh no, was thinking more something new on a comp
[13:13] <hamitron> :)
[13:15] <oimon> whenever i have to use a windows machine i'm always amazed at how long it takes to populate the Add/remove programs list
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Registry isn't optimized for speed
[13:18] <gord> huh... managed to make my router overheat and die from uploading photos to my nas... new router time i think
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> gord: Shiny new router time
[13:20]  * DJones orders a shiny new gord with less photos
[13:21] <andylockran> Good Afternoon People.
[13:31] <gord> oops. i guess i broke g-s-d. unity panel looks snazzy in 1996-o-vision
[13:52] <bigcalm> "The current stable release of GNUMP3d is v3.0, which was released upon the 18th of October 2007." - are there any other similar services that are more up to date?
[13:53] <Azelphur> bigcalm: VLC?
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: mpd?
[13:53] <bigcalm> Azelphur: does VLC have a web interface?
[13:53] <Azelphur> I think so xD
[13:53] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'll take a look, ta
[13:54] <oimon> trying to work out whether it was the mozzarella for lunch or having to use a windows server for 30 mins that gave me a headache :(
[13:54] <kaushal> Hi
[13:54] <kaushal> is there a way to know the Serial Number of the Hard disk ?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: what kind of hard disk? USB? SATA? PATA?
[13:54] <kaushal> SATA
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: check the disk utility
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: (palimpsest)
[13:55] <kaushal> (palimpsest) ?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: that's the name of the tool, in case you can't find it
[13:55] <kaushal> I mean on the server
[13:56] <kaushal> will it work on the server ?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it's a GUI app, so I guess it won't
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: Next stop: Google :)
[13:56] <kaushal> :)
[13:56] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: i tried dmidecode
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: I'd try sdparm -i
[13:56] <kaushal> ok
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> or hdparm
[14:01] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: hdparm -i /dev/sda
[14:02] <kaushal> worked like a charm
[14:02] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[14:02] <kaushal> is it recommended to upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 using update method or clean install method ?
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[14:03] <kaushal> yes for ?
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> either :)
[14:04] <kaushal> I am not a big fan of upgrade method
[14:04] <kaushal> since i need to always watch the screen :(
[14:04] <kaushal> I prefer clean install method
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> Too bad you lose all custom config that way
[14:05] <kaushal> i see
[14:05] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: but is it 100% safe ?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> Upgrade shouldn't be asking too many questions though
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> Nothing is 100% safe. Make a backup first -- you'll need to do that if you're going to reinstall anyway
[14:06] <kaushal> since i am doing it on a production laptop
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> Even a clean install might not work on your hardware
[14:06] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: makes sense
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: Just try an upgrade. If it breaks, try a clean install. If that breaks, restore the backup.
[14:07] <oimon> struggling to rotate a 3gp video in ubuntu :( stupid ffmpeg comile options
[14:07] <kaushal> so 1) backup 2) upgrade if it fails then clean install ?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> oimon: compile options?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> oimon: why compile options?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: sure
[14:07] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: ok
[14:08] <oimon> MartijnVdS: it doesn't seem to understand -vf option
[14:08] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: whats the difference b/n upgrade and update :)
[14:08] <oimon> seems you need to recompile ffmpeg
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: man apt-get
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: Please just read the release notes, it explains everyhting.
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> oimon: scary
[14:09] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: I mean in general to computing
[14:09] <kaushal> release notes of 11.04 ?
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: Yes
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> oimon: you could try using mencoder
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://thinkmoult.com/2010/04/08/tech-tip-5-rotate-a-video-by-90-degrees-with-mencoder/
[14:11] <oimon> MartijnVdS: cheers,. trying now
[14:15] <oimon> mencoder sort of worked except it stripped audio and was 8x too fast
[14:16] <oimon> i should give up...one of those days
[14:16] <oimon> surrpised not more people don't need to rotate videos from their phone
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> oimon: gstreamer pipeline? :)
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> oimon: most people just hold their phone correctly.. or use Windows/Mac
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> speaking of which
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> can't pitivi do it?
[14:18] <oimon> ah success! avidemux
[14:29] <BigRedS> Hm, I appear unable to add things to the panel in unity, is this by design?
[14:30] <popey> yes
[14:30] <BigRedS> cool, I'll stop trying :)
[14:30] <popey> :)
[14:31] <bigcalm> popey: does one have to have a 'pro' account with bit.ly to use ones own domain name?
[14:31] <oimon> what's the name of the process that causes your gnome classic to look like win 2000 when it crashes?
[14:31] <ali1234> gnome-settings-daemon
[14:34] <oimon> ali1234: ta
[14:57] <popey> bigcalm: so you going to call up for 30mb now ? :)
[14:58] <kaushal> popey: hi
[14:58] <kaushal> How many million lines of code in the linux kernel ?
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: irrelevant :)
[15:01] <popey> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-2-6-38-1205467.html?page=6
[15:01] <popey> "14 March 2011 - Linux 2.6.38 was released (14,294,439 lines of code)"
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> !irc2google
[15:01] <popey> indeed
[15:01] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+lines+of+code+in+the+linux+kernel
[15:02] <popey> thats how I found that information btw
[15:02] <bigcalm> popey: have you had your VM paper bill showing that you're not paying any more?
[15:03] <daubers> bigcalm: Uh oh... now you're in trouble. VM's billing department is a nightmare
[15:05] <kaushal> popey: Thanks
[15:05] <brobostigon> is it posible, either within apache, or serperatly, to create statustics and details, of the peoplewhopull pages from apache?
[15:06] <popey> yes brobostigon
[15:06] <popey> i use webalizer
[15:06] <dwatkins> brobostigon: yeah, there are various ways to process the logs
[15:06] <popey> http://popey.com/usage/ like that
[15:06] <dwatkins> I use webalizer also, although there's also analog.
[15:07] <dwatkins> I like the way popey installs analysis software.
[15:07] <popey> you do?
[15:07] <brobostigon> exactly, that kind of thing popey.
[15:07] <dwatkins> I was going to say "I like the way popey thinks" but it would have been ambiguous ;)
[15:07] <popey> heh
[15:07] <Azelphur> Anyone know what this is about? http://pastebin.com/sa0LeyJX seem to get it on a couple different things I'm trying to compile :P
[15:08] <brobostigon> thank you popey :)
[15:09] <danfish> Azelphur: it means that you've got a macro that you've possibly not defined correctly :P
[15:09] <DJones> Anybody here with Sky anytime plus? I've just been asked whether somebody needs a normal network cable or a crossover one, from what I can see its just a standard patch cable to go from the router to the sky box
[15:09] <Azelphur> wow, I'm so enlightened now :P
[15:10] <danfish> Azelphur: glad to be of help :D
[15:10] <popey> DJones: surely routers auto sense the cable these days?
[15:11] <DJones> popey: yeah, probably right there, but the sky receiver is probavly a different matter
[15:11] <Azelphur> wow, looks like I'm not the only one, there's 1880 results for an exact quote for that error on google
[15:11] <Azelphur> but doesn't seem to be much in the way of solutions :/
[15:14] <danfish> DJones: having cannablised a sky box recently for parts, the network card was suprisingly standard - a realtek chip IIRC, so probably autosensing
[15:14]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[15:16] <DJones> danfish: i took one apart, but it was an old hd box that wasn't anyime+ compatibe anyway, all I wanted was the hdd out of it
[15:20] <danfish> DJones: the only particularly proprietary parts I would find were the tv tuners
[15:21] <danfish> the rest looked fairly bog standard
[15:23] <DJones> danfish: I didn't look that closely at it, I just found it a pig to get the drive out without breaking the drive/cables
[15:35] <brobostigon> ok this is weird, i just installed tried to get into /var/log/apache2/ and it wont let me cd into it, unless i am sudo su, and it wont let mereadfiles fromit, or within it, withnormal sudo nano **. this is weird.
[15:41] <popey> they're 640 root:adm owned ?
[15:42] <Azelphur> popey: just picked up an amd 6990 for bitcoining :p
[15:42] <popey> heh
[15:42] <popey> loon
[15:42] <Azelphur> :D
[15:42] <popey> ouch
[15:43] <brobostigon> drwxr-x--- 2 root        adm         4096 2011-05-11 09:55 apache2
[15:44] <Azelphur> in other news, is displayport > dvi > vga sane?
[15:44] <popey> Azelphur: you're gonna display anything on it?
[15:44] <popey> brobostigon: looks right
[15:45] <Azelphur> popey: I'm thinking of using it as my main card as well as bitcoin yes, depending largely on how well displayport goes with multi display and wine performance/breakage
[15:45] <brobostigon> popey: soif i stick webaliser in cron, it will be able  to read the log out of it fine?
[15:51] <popey> brobostigon: yes
[15:52] <brobostigon> popey: thts good tohear :)
[15:52] <popey> you can read them if you sudo -s
[15:53] <brobostigon> ok, let me, try.
[15:53] <popey> is this ubuntu or debian?
[15:53] <brobostigon> ubuntu 10.04 lts.
[15:53] <popey> Azelphur: thats an insanely expensive card
[15:54] <Azelphur> indeed
[15:54] <bigcalm> It would be nice if VLC player knew that track 10 does not come before track 1. I can see why it's sorted incorrectly, but you'd think that this wouldn't be the default
[15:55] <gord> file a bug :)
[15:55] <bigcalm> Lazy
[15:55] <gord> then you have only yourself to blame
[15:55] <bigcalm> Nope, I can blame others and feel quite happy with that
[15:59] <ali1234> at least they're sorted
[15:59] <ali1234> totem just opens them in random order
[15:59] <Azelphur> popey: I got it saturday delivery too :p
[16:00] <ali1234> displayport is supposed to support multiple displays on one connector
[16:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: nice, I'm interested in how well it actually does quad display though
[16:01] <Azelphur> if I'll need to have separate X sessions in order to have >2 displays
[16:01] <Azelphur> or loose composite/acceleration
[16:02] <ali1234> all that will be the same
[16:02] <ali1234> its just a connector
[16:02] <ali1234> actual picture comes from the crtc
[16:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: the problems with nvidia seem to stem from using separate physical cards in order to get more ports
[16:02] <ali1234> from what i hear ati drivers are just as broken as nvidia when you try to do anything unusual with them
[16:03] <ali1234> no, it's not about ports
[16:03] <ali1234> you can get nvidia card with three ports on it, but you can only use two at once
[16:03] <brobostigon> will what i put /etc/cron.**/ automaticlly run, asspecificied inthe timeperiod, both in the folder name,and its reference in /etc/crontab ?
[16:03] <ali1234> ati supports three iirc
[16:03] <Azelphur> I see
[16:03] <ali1234> but that's down to the number of crtcs on the card, not the number of ports
[16:04] <Azelphur> but my card has 1 dvi + 4 displayport, so what happens when you get to >3?
[16:04] <ali1234> dunno
[16:04] <Azelphur> me either :D
[16:04] <ali1234> maybe it does support 4
[16:04] <Azelphur> http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Radeon-HD-6990-Pictures-Sapphire-6990-XFX-6990-Cables-KitGuru.jpg
[16:04] <ali1234> i bet it won't do 5 though
[16:05] <Azelphur> hehe only really need it to do 4, although 5 would be nice.
[16:05] <ali1234> i wish nvidia would make a card with more than two crtc
[16:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:07] <ali1234> so its a dual gpu card
[16:07] <ali1234> the probably explains it
[16:08] <Azelphur> haha
[16:08] <ali1234> but it might still appear like you have two physical cards to xorg... i dunno
[16:08] <ali1234> so you might end up with same problem
[16:12] <Azelphur> hehe, I'll find out soon enough \o/
[16:26] <seeker> Ati use something called eyefinity to do multiple similar monitors
[16:27] <seeker> Where the drivers present a single surface covering all of the monitors
[16:27] <seeker> 5xxx or 6xxx cards should be able to handle 3 monitors
[16:28] <seeker> Although 5xxx cards only have 2 clock generators, so you can only use two of ( dvi, dvi, hdmi) at the same
[16:28] <seeker> Time
[16:28] <seeker> So 3 monitors requires using a displayport connection
[16:30] <Azelphur> seeker I see, not 4 then? :(
[16:32] <Tommeh> You can have up to 6 DP monitors on most.
[16:32] <Tommeh> If the ports are there.
[16:32] <Tommeh> IIRC you can also supplement the pixel generators with active convertors.
[16:32] <Tommeh> clock generators, even
[16:33] <Tommeh> Probably find more info on that on #radeon
[16:33] <Tommeh> Was Bridgeman that I spoke to about it.
[16:33] <Azelphur> interesting :P
[16:34] <Azelphur> Tommeh: lol that's for open drivers
[16:34] <Azelphur> doubt I'mma do much wine gaming on them :D
[16:34] <Tommeh> Good luck :)
[16:34] <Tommeh> (In either case)
[16:34] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[16:35] <Tommeh> Asking 'a lot' of the binary driver is always a fun experience.
[16:35] <Tommeh> Feature-wise.
[16:35] <Azelphur> Tommeh: oh I know, I'm currently doing it with nvidia.
[16:35] <Azelphur> it's not a happy bunny. :(
[16:35] <Tommeh> But hey, despite the lack of higher OpenGL version support, the 3D performance on Gallium is passable for the most part :)
[16:35] <Tommeh> "Usable" I should say
[16:40] <seeker> You can get dp-> dvi converters
[16:40] <archon> =~ is the same =! ?
[16:41] <bigcalm> No, ~ mean approx.
[16:42] <Tommeh> seeker: yes, but unless they're active convertors, it's only possible to drive two DVI/HDMI heads at once.
[16:43] <seeker> Yes. Active connectors have come down in price an awful lot now
[16:43] <Tommeh> That's good to know.
[16:43] <archon> ok thx, have a nice day :)
[16:57] <ali1234> ~ means bitwise invert, ! means boolean not
[17:03] <BigRedS> ~ always implies regex to me, from =~
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: slow Royal Mail is slow :) I got the package _today_
[17:18] <AlanBell> wow :)
[17:18] <AlanBell> fwiw popey doesn't have his hat yet
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: also RM?
[17:19] <AlanBell> no, will be delivered in person at some point when I remember to take it to an event we are both at
[17:23] <gord> there are hats involved?
[17:23] <gord> i want a hat
[17:23] <gord> can i have a hat?
[17:23] <gord> do we all get hats?
[17:26] <Azelphur> I agree, ubuntu-uk should have hats.
[17:27] <gord> if Azelphur gets a hat i want a hat
[17:27] <Azelphur> can it be a dunce hat?
[18:17] <ball> I've just seen a screen shot of Gnome 3...is that why Ubuntu switched to Unity?
[18:20]  * awilkins lost his fedora on the train last year
[18:21] <ball> awilkins: The hat or the installation disc?
[18:21] <awilkins> The hat
[18:21] <awilkins> Since everyone was talking about hats an hour ago
[18:22] <ball> I missed that.
[18:22] <ball> Okay, I should get my haircut.
[18:22] <ball> Bye!
[18:24] <phonex01> A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation !!!!!!! someone hacked Youtube ???
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> phonex01: no, someone wrote a bug in youtube code :)
[18:32] <phonex01> how is that !!!
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> People make mistakes
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> coders write bugs
[18:32] <phonex01> oh
[18:32] <phonex01> but it is ok now
[18:36] <dutchie> :( chrome update got wedged again
[19:36] <jacobw> evening
[19:37] <brobostigon> evening jacobw
[20:21] <daubers> Evening
[20:38] <kkitano> Evening
[20:39] <popey> lo
[20:48] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:50] <AlanBell> I got my polycom communicator working on Natty
[20:51] <AlanBell> bump up the volume, fiddle for ages with no success, unplug, re-plug, all works!
[20:53] <Azelphur> popey: lol, got my gtx570 sustained doing 119Mhash/sec without oc, bitcoin wiki says 105 :)
[20:53] <Azelphur> and I'm only using idle time since I actually want my computer to be responsive lol
[21:05] <DJones> Azelphur: Your computer has idle time? What happened, power cut?
[21:05] <Azelphur> DJones: haha, nah I mean the unused GPU power, when I'm roaming around the desktop I don't really need it
[21:05] <Azelphur> when I'm gaming I obviously stop farming
[21:05] <DJones> :)
[21:06] <Azelphur> DJones: I was just winning in ##hardware http://pastebin.com/YPvsJrkn :P
[21:07] <DJones> :)
[21:07] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:22] <AlanBell> Azelphur: what CPU do you have?
[21:22] <Azelphur> AlanBell: i7 950, I'm not even using it :D
[21:22] <AlanBell> ah, the little 950
[21:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:24] <AlanBell> is this any good? -> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450]
[21:25] <Azelphur> for bitcoin?
[21:26] <popey> Azelphur: my gtx 460 only manages about 48 Mhash
[21:26] <AlanBell> Azelphur: yes, or in general
[21:26] <Azelphur> popey: hehe
[21:26] <AlanBell> it is on a headless server
[21:26] <Azelphur> AlanBell: it's utterly useless for bitcoin, sorry. OpenCL isn't supported on 3xxx cards.
[21:26] <AlanBell> ok
[21:27] <AlanBell> Azelphur: time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l -q
[21:27] <AlanBell> user 0m24.440s
[21:27] <popey> nooo hugo random benchmark!
[21:27] <AlanBell> oh OK then
[21:28] <popey> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[21:28] <popey>  time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }'
[21:28] <Azelphur> hehe, I'm still 4th on there :D
[21:28] <AlanBell> user 0m4.410s
[21:29] <Azelphur> I need to clock up my CPU, I got plenty of cooling now :)
[21:29] <popey> you made the last edit
[21:29] <AlanBell> would probably be faster than that if it wasn't running 10 VMs as well
[21:29] <popey> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=6
[21:29] <kirior> hi all got a (maybe silly) question
[21:29] <popey> go for it kirior
[21:29] <kirior> how can i get a python programing launguage editor (kinda like the one on the website for linux?)
[21:30] <popey> do you have a specific editor in mind?
[21:30] <kirior> no
[21:30] <kirior> i got
[21:30] <popey> gedit works and comes by default
[21:30] <kirior> a ok :)
[21:32] <Azelphur> 192.71 MH/s Average speed in last 7 minutes wee \o/
[21:33] <popey> nice
[21:33] <Azelphur> I reckon once the 6990 arrives my machine will do a gigahash easy
[21:33] <popey> cant believe you bought a 500 quid video card
[21:34]  * Azelphur is loony :D
[21:34] <AlanBell> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[21:34] <popey> mind you btc has doubled in value in a week or so
[21:34] <Azelphur> exactly
[21:34] <popey> hehe
[21:34] <Azelphur> it's an investment with risk, if it doesn't pay off I can just flog the 6990 and get most of the money back
[21:34] <popey> sure
[21:35] <popey> interesting to see where it goes
[21:35] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[21:35] <popey> and when the next crash is :)
[21:35]  * Azelphur has dreams of building a bitcoin farm
[21:35] <AlanBell> does bitcoin have a tax mechanism?
[21:36] <Azelphur> no
[21:36] <Azelphur> bitcoins are like cash
[21:36] <popey> countdown to it getting shutdown :)
[21:36]  * brobostigon thinks, he would rather have the real thing,
[21:37] <Azelphur> lol
[21:37] <DJones> Azelphur: I'd say it was more like gambling winnings, cash income gets taxed, gambling winnings are tax free
[21:37] <Azelphur> :D
[21:37] <AlanBell> DJones: you mean casino chips?
[21:37] <DJones> Market traders get taxed, lottery winners don;t get taxed
[21:38] <AlanBell> ah, outside the scope of income tax certainly
[21:39] <AlanBell> so you mean mined bitcoins are like gambling wins?
[21:40] <DJones> AlanBell: Seems like it from how I've heard it described, mined bitcoins depend on random chances & processes
[21:40] <AlanBell> yes, but the idea is to build a trading economy on it
[21:40] <DJones> Perhaps more like the lottery than casino/horse racing etc
[21:40] <AlanBell> so they are promisary notes of some description
[21:40] <brobostigon> or gold coins, even better,
[21:41] <AlanBell> the mining bit might be chance, but once mined they can be exchanged for goods and services or real money
[21:42] <brobostigon> oh, i see. hmmm.
[21:42] <DJones> AlanBell: I can see what you're saying, although to me a promisary note would be backed back a hard currency/asset (eg gold etc) what are bitcoins backed by
[21:42] <AlanBell> they are backed by the computer effort required to generate them I think
[21:43] <kirior> me again :P got this error trying to run my hello world program in python
[21:43] <kirior> Warning: unknown mime-type for "Helo World!" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[21:43] <kirior> Error: no such file "Helo World!"
[21:43] <kirior> what is wrong what am i missing??
[21:43] <AlanBell> how are you trying to run it kirior?
[21:43] <kirior> terminal
[21:44] <AlanBell> so you saved it as what? "hello.py" or something?
[21:44] <kirior> exactly hello.py
[21:44] <AlanBell> and you are running "python hello.py"
[21:44] <kirior> no i just typed ./hello.py
[21:45] <kirior> ok that did the trick
[21:45] <AlanBell> did you "chmod +x hello.py"?
[21:45] <kirior> yes
[21:45] <AlanBell> and what is the first line of the file?
[21:45] <kirior> print "Helo World!"
[21:45] <kirior> but after your advice
[21:45] <AlanBell> #!/usr/bin/env python
[21:45] <kirior> /home/marek# python hello.py
[21:45] <kirior> Helo World!
[21:46] <AlanBell> the first line needs to be a directive of where to find the python interpreter to run the file
[21:46] <kirior> shall i add this in every file?
[21:46] <AlanBell> every python file you want to be executable with ./foo.py
[21:46] <kirior> ok
[21:48] <kirior> ok
[21:50] <kirior> can i execute them from directory? or just terminal (or if i get more advanced i will learn how to do both depending on what i am expecting from the program to do?)
[21:50] <Azelphur> kirior: if your application has a GUI, and you have the directive at the top of the file, you can just double click it in a file browser
[21:51] <kirior> ok
[21:51] <Azelphur> kirior: if your application doesn't have a GUI, then you'll need to run it from the command line
[21:51] <kirior> sounds reasonable
[21:51] <Azelphur> :)
[21:51] <Azelphur> well, you could run a no gui app from the file browser, you just wouldn't be able to see what it was doing as it has no GUI XD
[21:53] <kirior> but if i  programmed it so i would know what it was doing :)
[21:53] <kirior> any good online beginner tutorial for python?
[21:53] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/27/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t17:03
[21:53] <AlanBell> have a look through that
[21:54] <AlanBell> there are lots of tutorials out there, that is one I did
[21:54] <Azelphur> AlanBell: didn't know you was into snakes :P
[21:58] <jacobw> http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html
[22:00] <jacobw> ^ very good python based introduction to programming
[22:03] <kirior> cool thank you guys for help :)
[22:03] <kirior> i think ill hit bed for now, c u all next time :)
[22:04] <daubers> \o/
[22:04] <daubers> I solved a driver problem with code \o/
[22:04] <daubers> (Achievment Unlocked)
[22:35] <DeathSling> hi all  :)     anyone here used shorewall?    with multiple ISP's?
[22:37] <Guest25827> hi guys, is there any one here who has made switchable graphics work under linux (ATI+intel), would appreciate some help
[22:37] <AlanBell> hi Guest25827
[22:38] <AlanBell> I nearly found the answer last time you were on
[22:38] <Guest25827> hi AlanBell
[22:39] <Guest25827> AlanBell, would appreciate any help
[22:39] <AlanBell> so it was the FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL thing
[22:40] <AlanBell> so you have a half installed ATI driver or something
[22:40] <Guest25827> AlanBell, yes
[22:40] <AlanBell> it needs to be uninstalled and the left over bits removed
[22:40] <Guest25827> AlanBell, i was trying to install fglrx, but it was giving error message
[22:40] <Guest25827> yes
[22:41] <Guest25827> AlanBell, i have removed it from synaptic as it appeared as broken packages
[22:41] <AlanBell> export FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL=/usr/share/ati
[22:41] <AlanBell> ^^ run that in terminal, then . . .
[22:42] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[22:42] <Guest25827> AlanBell, could u explain me what is it going to do?
[22:42] <Guest25827> AlanBell, i am going to do that anyway
[22:42] <AlanBell> bug 565407
[22:42] <AlanBell> similar bug there
[22:43] <Guest25827> AlanBell, do u need sudo to run that command?
[22:43] <AlanBell> what it does is set an environment variable to the location of the half-installed ati drivers
[22:43] <AlanBell> Guest25827: I don't think so
[22:44] <AlanBell> and when the installer runs it knows it is allowed to force the uninstallation of leftover bits of fglrx from last time it was installed
[22:44] <AlanBell> something like that anyhow
[22:44] <Guest25827> i just copied the command export FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL=/usr/share/ati tppenendoothing ha the command line, n
[22:44] <AlanBell> yeah, nothing will happen
[22:45] <AlanBell> nothing visible anyhow
[22:46] <AlanBell> does it let fglrx install cleanly now is the question?
[22:47] <Guest25827> http://pastebin.com/MeBS5ucY
[22:47] <Guest25827> AlanBell, i got an error message again
[22:47] <AlanBell> /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[22:47] <AlanBell> try that
[22:47] <AlanBell> or sudo /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[22:51] <Guest25827> AlanBell, http://pastebin.com/QCqis3sV
[22:52] <AlanBell> hmm, I am out of ideas
[22:55] <Guest25827> AlanBell, its so disappointing! i waited for 11.04 but the unity wouldnt work and getting the error message that there is no hard ware support. compiz is not working on classical desktop as well
[22:55] <Guest25827> looking forward to mint now, if it can do anything
[22:58] <AlanBell> file a bug
[22:59] <Guest25827> AlanBell, how can i do that
[23:01] <Guest25827> AlanBell, i have filed many bugs on switchable graphics,have never been even looked at
[23:05] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well.
[23:35] <lazybug> i used "sugar" and activated "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard" as my cursor was caught in sugar window how can i disable "ctrl+shift grabs mouse and keyboard"
[23:46] <Azelphur> Seeker`, when you overclock, does /proc/cpuinfo change?
[23:46] <Seeker`> hmm
[23:47] <Seeker`> don't think so
[23:47] <Azelphur> ah
[23:47] <Seeker`> at least, not all of the info
[23:47] <Azelphur> that'll explain it not changing then :D
[23:47] <Azelphur> mine doesn't change at all
[23:47] <Seeker`> because the CPU is still designed as an X GHz processor
[23:48] <Seeker`> Azelphur: try dmidecode?
[23:49] <Azelphur> Seeker`, yep that says it right :D
[23:52] <Azelphur> Seeker`, I'm coming after your perl benchmark record :P
[23:56] <popey> hehe
[23:59] <AlanBell> how many cores have you got Azelphur?