[01:28] British trains annoy me...they need a more reliable computer system >.> [01:42] monotoko: except for the displays next to the seats /in/ the trains, it's usually been ok for me [01:43] MattJ, I asked the online system for a standard class ticket for a very long journey tomorrow...it crashed, when it came back it charged me for a first class [01:43] They have displays next to seats in trains now? [01:44] seems I'm riding first class tomorrow...some money I could have done without spending really ._. [01:44] ball: a small LCD to indicate whether the seat is available or reserved [01:44] It's always wrong, so everyone just ignores them [01:44] Wow, that's high tech. [01:45] They used to just stick a piece of card in a slot on top of the chair. [01:45] (British Rail) [01:45] They still do on some lines, I believe [01:45] So old-fashioned :) [01:52] they do on East Coast [02:04] unity works with the latest emgd on my joggler. heh. finally [02:04] not that i want to use it but. better than crashing [02:05] * ball imagines Britain has free monorails everywhere now. [02:05] <^zenhoobb-it> hi! [02:08] * MattJ hops on the monorail to bed [02:12] ...and hovverboards. [07:02] is there a way to enable spell checking on gnome terminal on ubuntu? [07:24] Hi [07:24] Dell vostro 1014 ubuntu 11.04 keyboard issue [07:24] Any clue [07:34] not with that limited set of detail [07:41] http://doodle.com/53dpqtd6qgbvdpmp [07:49] morning all [07:55] Morning all [07:55] lo [07:58] !keyring [07:58] bah [08:01] !popey [08:01] popey is the UK alternative to elvis. [08:02] ha [08:07] Morning [08:35] Is there a way to distinguish between Unity and GNOME from a shell script (e.g. env variables?) [08:36] awilkins: You should be able to do a dbus query? [08:40] Aloha [08:43] MartijnVdS, The only query I can see worth executing would be ListNames, but I don't see a value in there that would tell me I'm running Unity over GNOME [08:43] awilkins: Try querying the Launcher API [08:44] awilkins: Gnome doesn't have it, Unity does [08:44] It's only so I can make an rdesktop window 24 pixesl shorter when I'm in Unity :-) [08:44] wait, that works the other way around [08:44] awilkins: ask gord, he'll know [08:49] ♫ Gord only knows [08:49] *ahem* [08:50] Unity gets another chance today. Had switched back to GNOME to avoid bug #781618 but I'm giving Unity another go so I must like it in some way. [08:50] Launchpad bug 781618 in eclipse (Ubuntu) "Editor windows enter a read only state on screen locks and workspace changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781618 [08:50] no environment variables that i am aware of, sorry. you can check com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service to see if that exists over dbus. or you could just modify the unity script in /usr/bin/unity to set whatever environment variable you want [08:51] Anyone recommend any server monitoring tools to output usage statistics? [08:51] gord, Thanks ; seems a bit odd that DESKTOP_SESSION still says "gnome" but I suspect that's for backward compatibility [08:52] awilkins, yeah, its not really a completely new session, its just a new shell... soo.. but yeah solidifying the story here is something we'll try to do looking forward [08:53] Is there a "Unity feedback" location? [08:54] launchpad :) [08:57] People must like it, unity-shell only has 2 bugs (and one of them is mine...) [08:58] mornin [08:59] Hmmph, bugs in unity, or unity-shell ??? [09:04] unity [09:05] Just suggestions really [09:06] Has anybody tried Chrome OS, I'm tempted to give it a try on a spare laptop & wondered if anybody had tried it & had issues, from what I've read it doesn't require an SSD, but wondered about any hardware issues [09:08] i was under the understanding it is just ubuntu under the covers [09:08] dutchie: From what I've read, it seems to be Gentoo based [09:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS [09:10] Although I'm also seeing comments that there are bits of ubuntu in tehre as well, so maybe a bit of a mish mash [09:12] it was ubuntu, but the guy running it is a gentoo fan... so hey lets override our engineers decisions and end up with a frankendistro =\ [09:14] gord: i got a segfault in libdbusmenu :/ [09:14] but i have no idea what to report it against [09:14] http://pastebin.com/81zEtNxN [09:15] libdbusmenu maybe? [09:15] well... ubuntu-bug says that package doesn't exist [09:16] i'm not on a machine with unity right now so i can't test [09:16] package name is dbusmenu-glib1 [09:16] libdbusmenu-glib1 even [09:16] ah thanks [09:17] nope, neither of those exists either :/ [09:18] there's libdbusmenu-glib3 [09:18] there you go [09:18] libdbusmenu-glib.so.3 <- oh, of course [09:18] (from backtrace) [09:18] ;) [09:26] DJones: i was googling last night, and read that chrome OS can't be installed directly onto a eee pc but has to be run within a VM? [09:26] sounds strange to me [09:27] sounds like OS X [09:27] needing specific hardware, that is [09:27] i dont think thats the case [09:27] you can build chromium OS from source for any x86 board [09:27] ok, maybe it was the old version they were trying [09:28] maybe it didn't have an installer or something [09:28] /nick daubers [09:28] stupid xchat [09:28] morning [09:35] morning all [09:35] i have found the chromium os rebuilds at http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/vanilla.php, gonna try on my eeee [09:36] I booted hexxeh's build of Chrome OS on my Eee a while ago. [09:37] how did it go dwatkins [09:37] oimon: it ran fine, although scrolling was a bit slow - probably because it used a generic gfx driver [09:42] cool, how long ago was that dwatkins [09:42] i ran the build script last night on my desktop and it failed :( [09:42] might clean out and start again [09:43] http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/building-chromium-os [09:43] I seriously don't 'get' python. if the aim's to make everything difficult, why not just use C [09:46] I'd heard it was relatively easy? [09:46] I've never actually written or read any, and I am a Perl sort of person, though [09:46] oimon: a year or so [09:46] ah ok, i'm about to try last night's build [09:46] will report back shortly :SD [09:47] oimon: I imagine it's significantly better now. [09:47] thanks, I'm interested to know more, oimon [09:47] i'm most interested in fast boot [09:47] I'mma try it in virtualbox on my Mac. [09:49] * popey starts the build again [10:03] doesn't work on my eee :( get a black screen after the boot splash [10:03] ctrl-alt-f2 gives a virtual console tho [10:12] good morning everyone, [10:19] Good morning peeps :) [10:19] good morning bigcalm :) [10:20] Hi brobostigon, what's happening? [10:21] bigcalm: nought much, just trying to wake myself upabit. and you? [10:22] Glad it's Friday, been a long week. [10:22] yes. [10:23] well, been a normal week after several short ones :) [10:25] brobostigon: did you get your arduino interpolation code working? [10:26] arduino just got a lot more interesting: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html [10:28] ick [10:28] that looks like an ugly hack [10:29] ali1234: yes, i heard about that,could be interesting. i think i have found a solution. let melink you up, i just need to add an equation to it. [10:29] "link you up" [10:29] * popey checks he's still in the UK. [10:29] :) [10:30] * brobostigon sits in the corner. [10:30] popey: socity crumbles a little more each day [10:31] I weep for the future. [10:31] ali1234: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hydraulic-hybrid/+junk/saab-hybrid/view/head:/BareSaab1/BareSaabv2/BareSaabv2.pde [10:31] * oimon gives up on chromium os until it works on his eee :( [10:33] oimon: tried it? [10:33] goto? srsly? [10:34] popey: got a black screen, although virtual console worked but could not login [10:34] ali1234: it is the only way, i could immediatly think, of doing what i wanted. [10:35] i was using the hexxeh vanilla builds [10:35] brobostigon: i came up with this: http://pastebin.com/Gqfwrnh1 [10:37] ali1234: looks interesting. i will make a version, and try it, [10:41] oimon: It'll probably be an oldish dell laptop that I install on, quite probably won't work, but don't lose out unless I try [10:42] brobostigon: with comments: http://pastebin.com/nDcs7Ym1 [10:42] DJones: yep, it's an unofficial build anyway..maybe there's a fix i just don't know about..seen a few people complaining about the issue without a reslolution [10:42] oimon: I couldn't get any of the hexxeh builds to work [10:42] thats why I built my own [10:43] its dead easy, all scripted [10:43] on which hardware popey [10:44] do i have to trash my current install, or can i install onto usb? [10:44] brobostigon: there are bugs, see if you can find them [10:46] ali1234: i am just looking, [10:52] ali1234: you seem to have spaces in some places in mathemaics, and not others, [10:52] that's habit [10:52] i like to put spaces around + - but not * / [10:53] because that's how you'd write it if you wrote it out by hand [10:53] oimon: the build script lets you create a vm image, iso or usb stick [10:53] but then if it's inside the brackets... it comes before the others [10:53] so no space [10:53] ali1234: oh, i see. [10:53] but that's just me being weird [10:53] ok. [10:56] oimon: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide is the guide I followed, very easy [10:59] ali1234: float m . [10:59] that's not a bug [11:00] its used,there, and is thenforgotten about. [11:00] no? [11:00] it's used on the next two lines? [11:01] true. [11:03] ali1234: i cant see it, i will probeblykickmyself. [11:03] it's fencepost error [11:04] ? [11:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error [11:07] ali1234: and inthe whileloop, points_y does have a position specified. [11:08] doesnt* [11:09] why would it? [11:09] i could have just written 6 there instead of sizeof(points_y) [11:09] why? [11:09] ali1234: because it needs a place inthe arrayto work from, [11:10] not for the y [11:12] hmmm, [11:13] Is there a thin client variant of Ubuntu suitable for establishing vnc/ssh sessions? === denny- is now known as denny [12:00] ugh, that's annoying. whois doesn't provide expiry dates for .eu domains [12:28] http://www.albertoandreu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Diapositiva11.jpg [12:30] nice [12:36] I've found it to be quite accurate :) [12:41] ls [12:41] oops. morning :) [12:42] good afternoon danfish :) [12:45] o/ [12:47] o/ [12:53] hmm. It's been a morning of fail so far (overwrote a project I'd been working on). I think a hearty lunch is in order [12:57] danfish: I'm guessing that from the comment, the backup may have been non-existant or not as up to date as would have been liked [12:57] oh dear - no backups? [12:57] not making backups for projects is a thing i keep telling myself i should do somehow nicely [12:58] gord: DJones: nah - backups are for wimps ;) [12:58] * brobostigon thanks git, for his project backup. [12:59] a combination of foremost and grep worked wonders, but I was near to a 'brown trouser' moment for bit [12:59] danfish: When I was at college, the lecturer always kept saying that if you didn't have a backup, eventually it'd get your back up [12:59] well obviously everything is in bzr for me, but that doesn't protect against rm -rf [12:59] my current workflow is to try and bzr push as much as possible, but thats kind of a pain. idealy i want to store my project files on my NAS so i can get to it from anywhere, but build locally... tricky [13:00] version control is on my 'to do' list and has now moved to 'to do today' :) [13:00] * popey hugs time machine and rsnapshot [13:01] sorry, launchpad uses bzr not git. [13:02] * danfish hugs crashplan (having just remembered I use that) [13:02] * popey pokes chromeos build [13:02] takes aaaaages [13:02] Pending 203, Ready 46, Running 1, Retrying 0, Total 286 [Time 7m2.4s Load 3.68 3.59 3.36] [13:02] come ON! [13:03] ooh [13:04] you should see how long it takes to do arm builds of ubuntu =\ x86 takes like 20 minutes though [13:05] so i'm taking a look at my budapest photos, apparently budapest has buses that drive in the river... [13:09] popey: which hardware? [13:09] oimon: hmm? [13:09] popey: which hardware u building it on and which hardware u building it for? [13:11] * hamitron hears the word "build" and gets excited [13:12] hamitron the builder? [13:13] slashdot is a bit broken on chromium :( [13:13] oh no, was thinking more something new on a comp [13:13] :) [13:15] whenever i have to use a windows machine i'm always amazed at how long it takes to populate the Add/remove programs list [13:16] oimon: Registry isn't optimized for speed [13:18] huh... managed to make my router overheat and die from uploading photos to my nas... new router time i think [13:18] gord: Shiny new router time [13:20] * DJones orders a shiny new gord with less photos [13:21] Good Afternoon People. [13:31] oops. i guess i broke g-s-d. unity panel looks snazzy in 1996-o-vision [13:52] "The current stable release of GNUMP3d is v3.0, which was released upon the 18th of October 2007." - are there any other similar services that are more up to date? [13:53] bigcalm: VLC? [13:53] bigcalm: mpd? [13:53] Azelphur: does VLC have a web interface? [13:53] I think so xD [13:53] MartijnVdS: I'll take a look, ta [13:54] trying to work out whether it was the mozzarella for lunch or having to use a windows server for 30 mins that gave me a headache :( [13:54] Hi [13:54] is there a way to know the Serial Number of the Hard disk ? [13:54] kaushal: what kind of hard disk? USB? SATA? PATA? [13:54] SATA [13:55] kaushal: check the disk utility [13:55] kaushal: (palimpsest) [13:55] (palimpsest) ? [13:55] kaushal: that's the name of the tool, in case you can't find it [13:55] I mean on the server [13:56] will it work on the server ? [13:56] kaushal: it's a GUI app, so I guess it won't [13:56] kaushal: Next stop: Google :) [13:56] :) [13:56] MartijnVdS: i tried dmidecode [13:56] kaushal: I'd try sdparm -i [13:56] ok [13:56] or hdparm [14:01] MartijnVdS: hdparm -i /dev/sda [14:02] worked like a charm [14:02] MartijnVdS: Thanks [14:02] is it recommended to upgrade 10.10 to 11.04 using update method or clean install method ? [14:03] yes. [14:03] yes for ? [14:03] either :) [14:04] I am not a big fan of upgrade method [14:04] since i need to always watch the screen :( [14:04] I prefer clean install method [14:05] Too bad you lose all custom config that way [14:05] i see [14:05] MartijnVdS: but is it 100% safe ? [14:05] Upgrade shouldn't be asking too many questions though [14:06] Nothing is 100% safe. Make a backup first -- you'll need to do that if you're going to reinstall anyway [14:06] since i am doing it on a production laptop [14:06] Even a clean install might not work on your hardware [14:06] MartijnVdS: makes sense [14:06] kaushal: Just try an upgrade. If it breaks, try a clean install. If that breaks, restore the backup. [14:07] struggling to rotate a 3gp video in ubuntu :( stupid ffmpeg comile options [14:07] so 1) backup 2) upgrade if it fails then clean install ? [14:07] oimon: compile options? [14:07] oimon: why compile options? [14:07] kaushal: sure [14:07] MartijnVdS: ok [14:08] MartijnVdS: it doesn't seem to understand -vf option [14:08] MartijnVdS: whats the difference b/n upgrade and update :) [14:08] seems you need to recompile ffmpeg [14:08] kaushal: man apt-get [14:09] kaushal: Please just read the release notes, it explains everyhting. [14:09] oimon: scary [14:09] MartijnVdS: I mean in general to computing [14:09] release notes of 11.04 ? [14:09] kaushal: Yes [14:09] oimon: you could try using mencoder [14:10] oimon: http://thinkmoult.com/2010/04/08/tech-tip-5-rotate-a-video-by-90-degrees-with-mencoder/ [14:11] MartijnVdS: cheers,. trying now [14:15] mencoder sort of worked except it stripped audio and was 8x too fast [14:16] i should give up...one of those days [14:16] surrpised not more people don't need to rotate videos from their phone [14:16] oimon: gstreamer pipeline? :) [14:16] oimon: most people just hold their phone correctly.. or use Windows/Mac [14:16] speaking of which [14:16] can't pitivi do it? [14:18] ah success! avidemux [14:29] Hm, I appear unable to add things to the panel in unity, is this by design? [14:30] yes [14:30] cool, I'll stop trying :) [14:30] :) [14:31] popey: does one have to have a 'pro' account with bit.ly to use ones own domain name? [14:31] what's the name of the process that causes your gnome classic to look like win 2000 when it crashes? === speedxco1e is now known as Bonds [14:31] gnome-settings-daemon [14:34] ali1234: ta [14:57] bigcalm: so you going to call up for 30mb now ? :) [14:58] popey: hi [14:58] How many million lines of code in the linux kernel ? [15:00] kaushal: irrelevant :) [15:01] http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-2-6-38-1205467.html?page=6 [15:01] "14 March 2011 - Linux 2.6.38 was released (14,294,439 lines of code)" [15:01] !irc2google [15:01] indeed [15:01] http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+lines+of+code+in+the+linux+kernel [15:02] thats how I found that information btw [15:02] popey: have you had your VM paper bill showing that you're not paying any more? [15:03] bigcalm: Uh oh... now you're in trouble. VM's billing department is a nightmare [15:05] popey: Thanks [15:05] is it posible, either within apache, or serperatly, to create statustics and details, of the peoplewhopull pages from apache? [15:06] yes brobostigon [15:06] i use webalizer [15:06] brobostigon: yeah, there are various ways to process the logs [15:06] http://popey.com/usage/ like that [15:06] I use webalizer also, although there's also analog. [15:07] I like the way popey installs analysis software. [15:07] you do? [15:07] exactly, that kind of thing popey. [15:07] I was going to say "I like the way popey thinks" but it would have been ambiguous ;) [15:07] heh [15:07] Anyone know what this is about? http://pastebin.com/sa0LeyJX seem to get it on a couple different things I'm trying to compile :P [15:08] thank you popey :) [15:09] Azelphur: it means that you've got a macro that you've possibly not defined correctly :P [15:09] Anybody here with Sky anytime plus? I've just been asked whether somebody needs a normal network cable or a crossover one, from what I can see its just a standard patch cable to go from the router to the sky box [15:09] wow, I'm so enlightened now :P [15:10] Azelphur: glad to be of help :D [15:10] DJones: surely routers auto sense the cable these days? [15:11] popey: yeah, probably right there, but the sky receiver is probavly a different matter [15:11] wow, looks like I'm not the only one, there's 1880 results for an exact quote for that error on google [15:11] but doesn't seem to be much in the way of solutions :/ [15:14] DJones: having cannablised a sky box recently for parts, the network card was suprisingly standard - a realtek chip IIRC, so probably autosensing [15:14] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [15:16] danfish: i took one apart, but it was an old hd box that wasn't anyime+ compatibe anyway, all I wanted was the hdd out of it [15:20] DJones: the only particularly proprietary parts I would find were the tv tuners [15:21] the rest looked fairly bog standard [15:23] danfish: I didn't look that closely at it, I just found it a pig to get the drive out without breaking the drive/cables [15:35] ok this is weird, i just installed tried to get into /var/log/apache2/ and it wont let me cd into it, unless i am sudo su, and it wont let mereadfiles fromit, or within it, withnormal sudo nano **. this is weird. [15:41] they're 640 root:adm owned ? [15:42] popey: just picked up an amd 6990 for bitcoining :p [15:42] heh [15:42] loon [15:42] :D [15:42] ouch [15:43] drwxr-x--- 2 root adm 4096 2011-05-11 09:55 apache2 [15:44] in other news, is displayport > dvi > vga sane? [15:44] Azelphur: you're gonna display anything on it? [15:44] brobostigon: looks right [15:45] popey: I'm thinking of using it as my main card as well as bitcoin yes, depending largely on how well displayport goes with multi display and wine performance/breakage [15:45] popey: soif i stick webaliser in cron, it will be able to read the log out of it fine? === ball is now known as ball_ [15:51] brobostigon: yes [15:52] popey: thts good tohear :) [15:52] you can read them if you sudo -s [15:53] ok, let me, try. [15:53] is this ubuntu or debian? [15:53] ubuntu 10.04 lts. [15:53] Azelphur: thats an insanely expensive card [15:54] indeed [15:54] It would be nice if VLC player knew that track 10 does not come before track 1. I can see why it's sorted incorrectly, but you'd think that this wouldn't be the default [15:55] file a bug :) [15:55] Lazy [15:55] then you have only yourself to blame [15:55] Nope, I can blame others and feel quite happy with that [15:59] at least they're sorted [15:59] totem just opens them in random order [15:59] popey: I got it saturday delivery too :p [16:00] displayport is supposed to support multiple displays on one connector [16:01] ali1234: nice, I'm interested in how well it actually does quad display though [16:01] if I'll need to have separate X sessions in order to have >2 displays [16:01] or loose composite/acceleration [16:02] all that will be the same [16:02] its just a connector [16:02] actual picture comes from the crtc [16:02] ali1234: the problems with nvidia seem to stem from using separate physical cards in order to get more ports [16:02] from what i hear ati drivers are just as broken as nvidia when you try to do anything unusual with them [16:03] no, it's not about ports [16:03] you can get nvidia card with three ports on it, but you can only use two at once [16:03] will what i put /etc/cron.**/ automaticlly run, asspecificied inthe timeperiod, both in the folder name,and its reference in /etc/crontab ? [16:03] ati supports three iirc [16:03] I see [16:03] but that's down to the number of crtcs on the card, not the number of ports [16:04] but my card has 1 dvi + 4 displayport, so what happens when you get to >3? [16:04] dunno [16:04] me either :D [16:04] maybe it does support 4 [16:04] http://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Radeon-HD-6990-Pictures-Sapphire-6990-XFX-6990-Cables-KitGuru.jpg [16:04] i bet it won't do 5 though [16:05] hehe only really need it to do 4, although 5 would be nice. [16:05] i wish nvidia would make a card with more than two crtc [16:06] hehe [16:07] so its a dual gpu card [16:07] the probably explains it [16:08] haha [16:08] but it might still appear like you have two physical cards to xorg... i dunno [16:08] so you might end up with same problem [16:12] hehe, I'll find out soon enough \o/ [16:26] Ati use something called eyefinity to do multiple similar monitors [16:27] Where the drivers present a single surface covering all of the monitors [16:27] 5xxx or 6xxx cards should be able to handle 3 monitors [16:28] Although 5xxx cards only have 2 clock generators, so you can only use two of ( dvi, dvi, hdmi) at the same [16:28] Time [16:28] So 3 monitors requires using a displayport connection [16:30] seeker I see, not 4 then? :( [16:32] You can have up to 6 DP monitors on most. [16:32] If the ports are there. [16:32] IIRC you can also supplement the pixel generators with active convertors. [16:32] clock generators, even [16:33] Probably find more info on that on #radeon [16:33] Was Bridgeman that I spoke to about it. [16:33]