| snap-l | Have you ever heard of someone running hibernate on a desktop machine? | 03:39 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?p=1174740 | 03:40 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: yea, I've heard of it | 12:47 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:22 |
| snap-l | Just had someone from DTE replace our meter with a new smart meter. | 13:22 |
| rick_h__ | coolio | 13:23 |
| greg-g | snap-l: hibernating a desktop makes sense if you don't want to reload all of your apps, but don't want to burn unneeded watts over night | 13:23 |
| snap-l | Well, it would have been nicer if they didn't come right at 8am | 13:24 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, that's true | 13:24 |
| snap-l | Just not a use-case that I've used. | 13:24 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I did when I was a desktop user | 13:24 |
| snap-l | Music to wiggle your mind-controlled cat ears to: It's !openmetalcat Club Metal, Episode 3: http://ur1.ca/463pk | 13:26 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I just keep the machine on all night. ;) | 13:26 |
| rick_h__ | hah, so I got forwarded an email from work asking for my opinions on the cr-48. | 13:33 |
| brousch | point them to your blog post | 13:43 |
| PainBank | oy | 13:53 |
| PainBank1 | hello | 13:58 |
| PainBank1 | why would a channel return"Cannot Send to Channel" ? | 14:00 |
| greg-g | PainBank1: maybe it is muted? | 14:01 |
| snap-l | And you don't have voice | 14:04 |
| brousch | How to get rick_h__ to switch to Unity? http://www.rojtberg.net/419/intruducing-teatime/ | 14:05 |
| snap-l | There ya go | 14:07 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Are they seriously thinking of moving the staff to CR48s? | 14:08 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: no idea, some staff member linked an article to my boss on them and boss forwarded to me asking what I thought about them | 14:11 |
| rick_h__ | I don't see why a lot of staff couldn't use them | 14:11 |
| rick_h__ | and if it means we ditch our exchange wannabe for google apps I'd be happy as a clam | 14:12 |
| snap-l | That would be cool | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Maybe if you give your NC developer a busybox web-app, then he and you will be more productive. ;) | 14:13 |
| snap-l | "I haven't seen any check-ins from NC dude for a while" "I know... isn't it lovely?" | 14:13 |
| rick_h__ | no, his new thing is that he found some vim-like plugin for pycharm and he's all happy | 14:13 |
| rick_h__ | I've been debugging some new, thorny code these last few days and it would have been much less pleasant had I not been able to single step through the code, examine things easily, evaluate expressions on the fly, etc.. | 14:14 |
| rick_h__ | "" ^^ | 14:14 |
| rick_h__ | which looking at his crap code no wonder he needs to step through it | 14:14 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: heh, yea, except I make tea in a kitchen and use a kitchen timer for it | 14:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: But now you can use the power of Unity to help make your tea | 14:18 |
| snap-l | It could only get better if there were a tea-making lens. ;) | 14:18 |
| wolfger | party? | 14:20 |
| wolfger | ok, now that PainBank1 is gone: party! | 14:25 |
| wolfger | snap-l: I did not take your test last night. Did you see my Buzz last night about the Black Metal Chef? | 14:26 |
| snap-l | Yep, I shared that before. ;) | 14:26 |
| wolfger | ah, ok. I picked it up from somebody else | 14:29 |
| brousch | me | 14:29 |
| brousch | i have no idea where i got it from | 14:30 |
| _stink_ | if i had a nickel... | 14:30 |
| wolfger | brousch: You are K Atrus? | 14:33 |
| snap-l | http://identi.ca/notice/73415796 | 14:40 |
| wolfger | snap-l: OpenMetal Cat? | 14:40 |
| snap-l | Bah | 14:41 |
| snap-l | Thanks. | 14:41 |
| wolfger | It's an interesting mental image, at least :-) | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Wel, yeah, if you're wiggling your cat ears, you'll want to listen to Open Metalcat. ;) | 14:43 |
| wolfger | Look for snap-l next year at Penguicon wearing a headbanging cat fursuit | 14:44 |
| snap-l | You can look all you want. | 14:45 |
| wolfger | or at the next launch party... ocelot is a cat, innit? | 14:45 |
| wolfger | so what's Ocelot+1 going to be? Pearly Parrot? With fully functional Parrot interpretor for Perl6 shipping as the default scripting language? | 14:47 |
| snap-l | Plump Pompadoms. | 14:48 |
| brousch | wolfger: no, i posted the vegan black meta chef to twitter and FB wednesday. i assumed you had picked it up there | 14:52 |
| wolfger | no, I got it off of Buzz | 14:56 |
| brousch | i tend to neglect posting to buzz. it feels like no one reads it on there | 14:57 |
| wolfger | It's the only social media (other than Identica) that I can access from work, and since it's part of Gmail, it's also what I check the most outside of work, too | 14:59 |
| brousch | yeah, read it regularly, just rarely post to it | 14:59 |
| wolfger | wow... "also" and "too" in the same sentence. I are a good writer :-p | 14:59 |
| wolfger | I have my Buzz set up to feed Twitter and FB everything I post :-) | 15:00 |
| brousch | you misspelled 'r' | 15:00 |
| brousch | wolfger: i used to, then i looked at the tweets and FB posts it generated. they are inferior to native tweets and posts | 15:01 |
| brousch | for instance, your post to FB does not include a normal youtube video link | 15:01 |
| wolfger | true, and I dislike that | 15:01 |
| brousch | it also chops off after like 140 characters and tacks on a bitly link back to the buzz | 15:02 |
| brousch | i got too annoyed by that | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Yeah, my buzz is all posts from identi.ca | 15:07 |
| snap-l | I check it every now and again because I might miss somethng that was on twitter. | 15:08 |
| wolfger | Pic #4 kinda reminds me of greg-g... :-D http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/10/norway.beard.moustache.championship/index.html?hpt=C2 | 15:39 |
| brousch | wolfger: omg that is him! | 15:42 |
| greg-g | wolfger: hey now! | 15:43 |
| wolfger | does wearing a fox on your head make you a furry? ;-) | 15:44 |
| snap-l | Wow. Now if he could only work in some welding goggles, I think we'd have Mr. Steampunk 2011 | 15:44 |
| snap-l | #5 is a personal favorite | 15:45 |
| wolfger | "steampunk": Any costume that incorporates leather-and-brass goggles. | 15:45 |
| snap-l | http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=79719 <- Man, Unity is not getting any love | 16:01 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: and you were expecting? | 16:03 |
| rick_h__ | this is the great exodus cyle | 16:03 |
| rick_h__ | cycle | 16:03 |
| rick_h__ | they'll come back around LTS after getting some reminder why then went to ubuntu and as unity solidifies and lets people do things like move that bar around | 16:03 |
| snap-l | I was really hoping people would use it first before jumping ship | 16:03 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Agreed | 16:04 |
| rick_h__ | sounds like this guy did | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Though I pimped lococast. ;) | 16:04 |
| rick_h__ | and I don't like it... | 16:04 |
| snap-l | ? | 16:04 |
| rick_h__ | that he did an upgrade and tried it | 16:04 |
| rick_h__ | just responding to your wish people try it | 16:05 |
| rick_h__ | sounds like he did, and found it lacking for him | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but Unity is not somethingthat you can try for 10 minutes | 16:05 |
| snap-l | You need 15 minutes with someone who can tell you where everything is | 16:05 |
| snap-l | It's not discoverable. | 16:05 |
| rick_h__ | lol "I don't care for either Unity or Gnome 3 for my goto system for a few different reasons. However, I'm not their target audience... | 16:06 |
| rick_h__ | " | 16:06 |
| rick_h__ | glad I'm not the only one to realize that | 16:06 |
| Milyardo_ | Where did this Patrick Goetz guy trolling ubuntu-dev come from? After reading that thread on the mailing list I had to double check I wasn't actaully reading comments on slashdot or reddit instead | 16:12 |
| brousch | kubuntu for the settle? | 16:12 |
| brousch | i might try kubuntu | 16:15 |
| brousch | haven't really touched it since ~2008 | 16:15 |
| brousch | pdfs are driving me nuts lately | 16:21 |
| brousch | we got a 141 page pdf of 30x42" blueprints. the damn things are generated by drafting or modeling software and take forever to render | 16:22 |
| snap-l | Those are huge | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Yeah, they'll take a while ro render, especially if they are image files | 16:23 |
| brousch | and they use some goofy thing in them that annoys pdftk, so i can't even split them efficiently | 16:23 |
| brousch | evince doesn't seem to understand a paper size other than 8.5x11 | 16:24 |
| brousch | i think they're actually vector graphics, but they have so much frickin detail | 16:24 |
| brousch | placement of objects depends on the placement of other objects, and the calculations take forever | 16:25 |
| snap-l | brousch: Check out xpdf. It's what I use when evince falls over flat. | 16:25 |
| brousch | does it have print? | 16:25 |
| brousch | evince opens fine, but slow. it doesn't want to print on a big piece of paper | 16:26 |
| rick_h__ | yea, <3 xpdf | 16:26 |
| rick_h__ | though with google chrome doing pdf rendering not been using it much lately | 16:27 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: I had to turn that off. ;) | 16:27 |
| snap-l | Drove me insane | 16:27 |
| rick_h__ | yea? how come | 16:27 |
| brousch | also i need to strip out the no printing security on this pdf | 16:27 |
| brousch | evince ignore that | 16:28 |
| brousch | ignores | 16:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: because it would view PDFs that I'd rather just save | 16:29 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: ah, guess I'm used to right-click save | 16:30 |
| brousch | i wrote a script that pipes annoying pdfs through various splitters and converts them to big old jpegs | 16:31 |
| brousch | but half the time something in the pdf is "broken" and the utilities don't work | 16:31 |
| rick_h__ | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/developers-hit-by-legal-threats-over-ios-in-app-purchasing-upgrades/12763 | 16:32 |
| rick_h__ | man, gotta love the world we live in | 16:32 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: That's our generations gold prospectors | 16:32 |
| snap-l | fucking patent trolls and "intellectual property" | 16:33 |
| brousch | my god kubuntu is a fugly beast | 16:41 |
| brousch | how does anyone use this? | 16:42 |
| Blazeix | I was playing around with xubuntu last week. It's amazing. | 16:43 |
| brousch | it's like someone took osx, added 10x more annoying, superluous effects and removed all usability | 16:43 |
| snap-l | brousch: kubuntu is the Fischer Price of desktops | 16:43 |
| wolfger | hey now | 16:43 |
| brousch | Blazeix: i have retreated to xubuntu in the past. it is indeed nice | 16:44 |
| brousch | the damn shut down button doesn't even work | 16:44 |
| brousch | in kubuntu | 16:44 |
| wolfger | ??? | 16:44 |
| wolfger | works for me | 16:44 |
| wolfger | little else does | 16:44 |
| brousch | silently fails | 16:44 |
| wolfger | I reinstalled Kubuntu at Penguicon, and it was a massive load of fail | 16:45 |
| wolfger | but the reboot button worked just fine | 16:45 |
| wolfger | oh, wait, I did "sudo reboot" from Konsole, didn't I? :-p | 16:45 |
| snap-l | Did the "OMG, get me out of here" button work as well? :) | 16:45 |
| brousch | it makes me want to punch myself in the balls | 16:45 |
| wolfger | it makes me want brousch to punch himself in the balls too | 16:46 |
| brousch | i guess it's useful for something then | 16:47 |
| wolfger | snap-l: since when was F-P so insanely configurable? I think you're confusing KDE with Unity. | 16:47 |
| wolfger | Unity is the FIscher-Price desktop | 16:47 |
| snap-l | wolfger: I was able to drive in real nails with my Fisher-Price hammer | 16:48 |
| snap-l | that's configurable. ;) | 16:48 |
| snap-l | also converted it into a bludgeon on my friend, and gave him a big gash | 16:48 |
| wolfger | LOL | 16:49 |
| brousch | i'm gonna end up on ubuntu 10.04 for 2 more years | 16:51 |
| brousch | oh man, xpdf is some old-school shiznit | 16:54 |
| krondor | brousch: wow I haven't used that in years | 16:55 |
| brousch | snap-l and rick_h__ suggested it for an issue i'm having with pdfs | 16:56 |
| brousch | it seems to be generating a .ps successfully | 16:57 |
| brousch | hopefully i can turn that into something useful | 16:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, it's not pretty, but it works | 16:58 |
| brousch | damn, that interface and printing dialog takes me back to frickin 1997 and the sun workstations at UM | 16:58 |
| snap-l | It's the PDF reader of last resort. ;) | 16:58 |
| krondor | snap-l: yeah I would think so! lol any program that's named Xsomething you know is going to feel like a trip down memory lane. | 16:59 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: did it work? | 17:02 |
| snap-l | Oh, btw: this finally uploaded (the Kobo discussion) | 17:02 |
| snap-l | http://ubuntuone.com/p/sXf/ | 17:02 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 17:03 |
| rick_h__ | "dude, close the dippy ticket, we don't make the pdfs, we just sell hardware hoping someone will try to use it" | 17:04 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kidding | 17:04 |
| snap-l | Figured it was worth a shot, but was well aware they'd tell me to piss up a rope. | 17:04 |
| brousch | rick_h__: it generated a postscript file. trying to convert it to something useful now | 17:08 |
| krondor | anyone been to umichlug? | 17:10 |
| wolfger | didn't know there was a umichlug | 17:10 |
| krondor | me neither, I had someone ask me if I could do the KDE talk from pcon at an ann arbor lug, I guess I assumed it was that one. | 17:14 |
| * brousch kisses snap-l on the head | 17:17 | |
| brousch | i'm getting jpgs from the .ps. they are taking about 30s each to generate | 17:18 |
| brousch | assuming my laptop doesn't melt, i'll have good stuff in an hour | 17:18 |
| brousch | crap, wait a minute they're 8.5x11 | 17:19 |
| wolfger | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-world-map.html | 17:27 |
| jrwren | anyone use remote syslog? I've got an old hardy server being remote syslog and it seems like it gets overloaded even with very few messages. | 17:45 |
| brousch | jrwren: a couple of people in grpug do remote logging. i think they both stopped using the remote syslog. they do something like pushing the logs to a remote db every minute or something | 18:09 |
| brousch | might even be a queue server involved | 18:10 |
| brousch | sorry, i'm pretty much braindead today | 18:10 |
| krondor | jrwren: a long time ago, though I've been looking at doing it again. I think after the wings lose last night I won't be much help recalling anything I used to do... | 18:13 |
| wolfger | agh | 18:17 |
| wolfger | I thought I would be safe from hearing about the Wings game in this channel | 18:17 |
| wolfger | thanks, Krondor | 18:17 |
| wolfger | :-p | 18:17 |
| snap-l | We tried remote syslogging, but it didn't seem to work very well | 18:17 |
| snap-l | wolfger: I think you want ubuntu-us-oh for Wings safety | 18:18 |
| wolfger | (actually, I'd already had the ending ruined for me, but I was intending to keep it a mystery until I could watch the game) | 18:18 |
| brousch | snap-l: i don't know. one guy i know from ohio is a huge wings fan | 18:18 |
| wolfger | I caught a glimpse of a thumbnail pic earlier that had smiling faces in what I could identify as Sharks jerseys :-( | 18:19 |
| wolfger | but usually sports don't get discussed here unless I bring them up | 18:19 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Sorry, bud | 18:20 |
| brousch | bah, sounds like you saved him hours of pain and heartache. you probably saved his life | 18:21 |
| krondor | wolfger: :'( | 18:21 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but what life is worth living knowing that the wings didn't win last night? | 18:22 |
| snap-l | I'll tell you, not much | 18:22 |
| wolfger | LOL | 18:22 |
| wolfger | yeah, actually, I'm glad I found out they lost, rather than waste an evening watching the heartbreak | 18:22 |
| * krondor trying hard not to start ranting about hockey | 18:24 | |
| _stink_ | it was a pretty good game, though. | 18:24 |
| brousch | no way, the wings totally got robbed | 18:27 |
| wolfger | krondor: want a hocket rant? How about "why the f*** is Detroit still stuck in the Western Conference, so that we are stuck with all these late-night playoff games those of us with jobs can't watch?" | 18:28 |
| wolfger | no offense to those of us with jobs who could watch it.... | 18:28 |
| wolfger | but last night was an early start time. Normall games in San Jose start at 10 or 10:30, and I go to bed at 10 :-p | 18:29 |
| krondor | ooh that's a favorite rant, with an obvious answer. wings in the east isn't fair or our chief rival would end up as the leafs which is no rivalry. | 18:29 |
| wolfger | No team in the Eastern time zone should be stuck in the Western conference | 18:30 |
| wolfger | and the Detroit-Toronto rivalry is a huge tradition | 18:30 |
| wolfger | I miss the home-at-home double headers they used to have, and the big road trips fans would make to attend both games | 18:31 |
| _stink_ | my guess is that it's so Chicago isn't the only original six team in the West. | 18:31 |
| wolfger | Meh | 18:32 |
| wolfger | and could you imagine a Chicago-Detroit Stanley Cup final? EPIC | 18:32 |
| wolfger | Having Eastern teams in the Western conference makes no sense whatsoever, and it sucks for both Eastern and Western fans | 18:33 |
| snap-l | Having two conferences is dumb. | 18:34 |
| snap-l | let 'em all fight it out | 18:34 |
| wolfger | only reason is the idea that they need to keep the conferences balanced in terms of number of teams | 18:34 |
| wolfger | and snap-l has a very valid point, too | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Also, best of three | 18:35 |
| wolfger | do away with conferences and divisions, and come playoff time let the 16 best teams in the league duke it out | 18:35 |
| snap-l | And there needs to be a way to canonnize Don Cherry | 18:35 |
| snap-l | St Cherry | 18:35 |
| wolfger | and without divisions, you won't wind up with some crap team getting a #3 seed | 18:36 |
| wolfger | St. Cherry? Or St. Blue? | 18:36 |
| brousch | omg failwhale is flying | 18:36 |
| wolfger | Cherry just doesn't strike me as very saintly | 18:36 |
| wolfger | but I'd get behind bestowing that honor on his dog | 18:37 |
| snap-l | wolfger: The fuck you say? | 18:37 |
| snap-l | Don Cherry has been criticized for comments targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24] | 18:40 |
| wolfger | LOL | 18:40 |
| snap-l | That's a lot of attribution. ;P | 18:40 |
| greg-g | I love doing that on WP, adding tons of references for one sentence :) | 18:46 |
| _stink_ | haha | 18:50 |
| binbrain | anybody want to help me with a networking problem | 19:41 |
| binbrain | a problem with a dhcp server over wireless via ad-hoc? | 19:41 |
| binbrain | I can make direct contact, ping and all | 19:41 |
| binbrain | I can nmap from the client and see ports 67 open | 19:42 |
| binbrain | I start dhclient on the wlan0, I see packets go out via tcpdump | 19:42 |
| binbrain | on the server I see nothing via tcpdump | 19:43 |
| binbrain | I can ping the server from the client via the broadcast address though | 19:43 |
| snap-l | are you sure the client is requesting? | 19:43 |
| binbrain | tcpdump says it is | 19:43 |
| binbrain | 192.168.0.99.47173 > 192.168.0.1.67: BOOTP/DHCP | 19:44 |
| binbrain | thats from the client | 19:44 |
| snap-l | hmmm | 19:45 |
| binbrain | if I nc -u 192.168.0.2 67 I can write and see output on tcpdump | 19:45 |
| snap-l | .2 or .1? | 19:46 |
| binbrain | its like, for some reason, the broadcast 192.168.0.255 never makes it to the server, even though if I ping -b 192.168.0.255 I see output | 19:46 |
| snap-l | You've got two separate servers listed there. | 19:46 |
| binbrain | 99 is the client's temp IP that I assign | 19:46 |
| binbrain | .1 the server | 19:46 |
| binbrain | .2 is a typo | 19:46 |
| binbrain | should be .1 | 19:46 |
| snap-l | ok | 19:46 |
| snap-l | Have you tried clearing out the lease? | 19:47 |
| binbrain | on the client | 19:47 |
| binbrain | yes | 19:47 |
| snap-l | also on the server/ | 19:47 |
| snap-l | ? | 19:47 |
| binbrain | that was a problem I think, but I clear them out now | 19:47 |
| binbrain | no | 19:47 |
| binbrain | let me try that | 19:47 |
| binbrain | ok, be back in a min :) | 19:48 |
| snap-l | heh | 19:49 |
| brousch | wtf the failwhale is still flying | 19:53 |
| TeamXlink | I've got two power supplies hooked up to my computer. | 21:26 |
| TeamXlink | When is powering the motherboard, which my agp graphics card is connected to. | 21:27 |
| TeamXlink | And the other is powering my fans and has the four pin plug connected to the power on my graphics card. | 21:27 |
| TeamXlink | If I "strip and splice" the wires from both of the powersupplies four pin connector to it, will it work? | 21:27 |
| snap-l | Please for the love of God do not do this. | 21:41 |
| snap-l | all you'll do is feed the power from one supply into the other supply, and (if your lucky) will blow out the weaker of the two | 21:41 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: ^^ | 21:42 |
| TeamXlink | Alright. | 21:45 |
| TeamXlink | Sweet, thanks. | 21:45 |
| snap-l | Well, I'd rather you not be picking up the pieces for something that sounds good, but is very dangerous. | 21:57 |
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