[03:39] <snap-l> Have you ever heard of someone running hibernate on a desktop machine?
[03:40] <snap-l> http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?p=1174740
[12:47] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, I've heard of it
[13:22] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:22] <snap-l> Just had someone from DTE replace our meter with a new smart meter.
[13:23] <rick_h__> coolio
[13:23] <greg-g> snap-l: hibernating a desktop makes sense if you don't want to reload all of your apps, but don't want to burn unneeded watts over night
[13:24] <snap-l> Well, it would have been nicer if they didn't come right at 8am
[13:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, that's true
[13:24] <snap-l> Just not a use-case that I've used.
[13:24] <greg-g> snap-l: I did when I was a desktop user
[13:26] <snap-l> Music to wiggle your mind-controlled cat ears to: It's !openmetalcat Club Metal, Episode 3: http://ur1.ca/463pk
[13:26] <snap-l> greg-g: I just keep the machine on all night. ;)
[13:33] <rick_h__> hah, so I got forwarded an email from work asking for my opinions on the cr-48.
[13:43] <brousch> point them to your blog post
[13:53] <PainBank> oy
[13:58] <PainBank1> hello
[14:00] <PainBank1> why would a channel return"Cannot Send to Channel" ?
[14:01] <greg-g> PainBank1: maybe it is muted?
[14:04] <snap-l> And you don't have voice
[14:05] <brousch> How to get rick_h__ to switch to Unity? http://www.rojtberg.net/419/intruducing-teatime/
[14:07] <snap-l> There ya go
[14:08] <snap-l> rick_h__: Are they seriously thinking of moving the staff to CR48s?
[14:11] <rick_h__> snap-l: no idea, some staff member linked an article to my boss on them and boss forwarded to me asking what I thought about them
[14:11] <rick_h__> I don't see why a lot of staff couldn't use them
[14:12] <rick_h__> and if it means we ditch our exchange wannabe for google apps I'd be happy as a clam
[14:12] <snap-l> That would be cool
[14:13] <snap-l> Maybe if you give your NC developer a busybox web-app, then he and you will be more productive. ;)
[14:13] <snap-l> "I haven't seen any check-ins from NC dude for a while" "I know... isn't it lovely?"
[14:13] <rick_h__> no, his new thing is that he found some vim-like plugin for pycharm and he's all happy
[14:14] <rick_h__> I've been debugging some new, thorny code these last few days and it would have been much less pleasant had I not been able to single step through the code, examine things easily, evaluate expressions on the fly, etc..
[14:14] <rick_h__> "" ^^
[14:14] <rick_h__> which looking at his crap code no wonder he needs to step through it
[14:15] <rick_h__> brousch: heh, yea, except I make tea in a kitchen and use a kitchen timer for it
[14:18] <snap-l> rick_h__: But now you can use the power of Unity to help make your tea
[14:18] <snap-l> It could only get better if there were a tea-making lens. ;)
[14:20] <wolfger> party?
[14:25] <wolfger> ok, now that PainBank1 is gone: party!
[14:26] <wolfger> snap-l: I did not take your test last night. Did you see my Buzz last night about the Black Metal Chef?
[14:26] <snap-l> Yep, I shared that before. ;)
[14:29] <wolfger> ah, ok. I picked it up from somebody else
[14:29] <brousch> me
[14:30] <brousch> i have no idea where i got it from
[14:30] <_stink_> if i had a nickel...
[14:33] <wolfger> brousch: You are K Atrus?
[14:40] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/73415796
[14:40] <wolfger> snap-l: OpenMetal Cat?
[14:41] <snap-l> Bah
[14:41] <snap-l> Thanks.
[14:42] <wolfger> It's an interesting mental image, at least :-)
[14:43] <snap-l> Wel, yeah, if you're wiggling your cat ears, you'll want to listen to Open Metalcat. ;)
[14:44] <wolfger> Look for snap-l next year at Penguicon wearing a headbanging cat fursuit
[14:45] <snap-l> You can look all you want.
[14:45] <wolfger> or at the next launch party... ocelot is a cat, innit?
[14:47] <wolfger> so what's Ocelot+1 going to be? Pearly Parrot? With fully functional Parrot interpretor for Perl6 shipping as the default scripting language?
[14:48] <snap-l> Plump Pompadoms.
[14:52] <brousch> wolfger: no, i posted the vegan black meta chef to twitter and FB wednesday. i assumed you had picked it up there
[14:56] <wolfger> no, I got it off of Buzz
[14:57] <brousch> i tend to neglect posting to buzz. it feels like no one reads it on there
[14:59] <wolfger> It's the only social media (other than Identica) that I can access from work, and since it's part of Gmail, it's also what I check the most outside of work, too
[14:59] <brousch> yeah, read it regularly, just rarely post to it
[14:59] <wolfger> wow... "also" and "too" in the same sentence. I are a good writer :-p
[15:00] <wolfger> I have my Buzz set up to feed Twitter and FB everything I post :-)
[15:00] <brousch> you misspelled 'r'
[15:01] <brousch> wolfger: i used to, then i looked at the tweets and FB posts it generated. they are inferior to native tweets and posts
[15:01] <brousch> for instance, your post to FB does not include a normal youtube video link
[15:01] <wolfger> true, and I dislike that
[15:02] <brousch> it also chops off after like 140 characters and tacks on a bitly link back to the buzz
[15:02] <brousch> i got too annoyed by that
[15:07] <snap-l> Yeah, my buzz is all posts from identi.ca
[15:08] <snap-l> I check it every now and again because I might miss somethng that was on twitter.
[15:39] <wolfger> Pic #4 kinda reminds me of greg-g... :-D    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/10/norway.beard.moustache.championship/index.html?hpt=C2
[15:42] <brousch> wolfger: omg that is him!
[15:43] <greg-g> wolfger: hey now!
[15:44] <wolfger> does wearing a fox on your head make you a furry? ;-)
[15:44] <snap-l> Wow. Now if he could only work in some welding goggles, I think we'd have Mr. Steampunk 2011
[15:45] <snap-l> #5 is a personal favorite
[15:45] <wolfger> "steampunk": Any costume that incorporates leather-and-brass goggles.
[16:01] <snap-l> http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=79719 <- Man, Unity is not getting any love
[16:03] <rick_h__> snap-l: and you were expecting?
[16:03] <rick_h__> this is the great exodus cyle
[16:03] <rick_h__> cycle
[16:03] <rick_h__> they'll come back around LTS after getting some reminder why then went to ubuntu and as unity solidifies and lets people do things like move that bar around
[16:03] <snap-l> I was really hoping people would use it first before jumping ship
[16:04] <snap-l> rick_h__: Agreed
[16:04] <rick_h__> sounds like this guy did
[16:04] <snap-l> Though I pimped lococast. ;)
[16:04] <rick_h__> and I don't like it...
[16:04] <snap-l> ?
[16:04] <rick_h__> that he did an upgrade and tried it
[16:05] <rick_h__> just responding to your wish people try it
[16:05] <rick_h__> sounds like he did, and found it lacking for him
[16:05] <snap-l> Yeah, but Unity is not somethingthat you can try for 10 minutes
[16:05] <snap-l> You need 15 minutes with someone who can tell you where everything is
[16:05] <snap-l> It's not discoverable.
[16:06] <rick_h__> lol "I don't care for either Unity or Gnome 3 for my goto system for a few different reasons. However, I'm not their target audience...
[16:06] <rick_h__> "
[16:06] <rick_h__> glad I'm not the only one to realize that
[16:12] <Milyardo_> Where did this Patrick Goetz guy trolling ubuntu-dev come from? After reading that thread on the mailing list I had to double check I wasn't actaully reading comments on slashdot or reddit instead
[16:12] <brousch> kubuntu for the settle?
[16:15] <brousch> i might try kubuntu
[16:15] <brousch> haven't really touched it since ~2008
[16:21] <brousch> pdfs are driving me nuts lately
[16:22] <brousch> we got a 141 page pdf of 30x42" blueprints. the damn things are generated by drafting or modeling software and take forever to render
[16:23] <snap-l> Those are huge
[16:23] <snap-l> Yeah, they'll take a while ro render, especially if they are image files
[16:23] <brousch> and they use some goofy thing in them that annoys pdftk, so i can't even split them efficiently
[16:24] <brousch> evince doesn't seem to understand a paper size other than 8.5x11
[16:24] <brousch> i think they're actually vector graphics, but they have so much frickin detail
[16:25] <brousch> placement of objects depends on the placement of other objects, and the calculations take forever
[16:25] <snap-l> brousch: Check out xpdf. It's what I use when evince falls over flat.
[16:25] <brousch> does it have print?
[16:26] <brousch> evince opens fine, but slow. it doesn't want to print on a big piece of paper
[16:26] <rick_h__> yea, <3 xpdf
[16:27] <rick_h__> though with google chrome doing pdf rendering not been using it much lately
[16:27] <snap-l> rick_h__: I had to turn that off. ;)
[16:27] <snap-l> Drove me insane
[16:27] <rick_h__> yea? how come
[16:27] <brousch> also i need to strip out the no printing security on this pdf
[16:28] <brousch> evince ignore that
[16:28] <brousch> ignores
[16:29] <snap-l> rick_h__: because it would view PDFs that I'd rather just save
[16:30] <rick_h__> snap-l: ah, guess I'm used to right-click save
[16:31] <brousch> i wrote a script that pipes annoying pdfs through various splitters and converts them to big old jpegs
[16:31] <brousch> but half the time something in the pdf is "broken" and the utilities don't work
[16:32] <rick_h__> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/developers-hit-by-legal-threats-over-ios-in-app-purchasing-upgrades/12763
[16:32] <rick_h__> man, gotta love the world we live in
[16:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: That's our generations gold prospectors
[16:33] <snap-l> fucking patent trolls and "intellectual property"
[16:41] <brousch> my god kubuntu is a fugly beast
[16:42] <brousch> how does anyone use this?
[16:43] <Blazeix> I was playing around with xubuntu last week. It's amazing.
[16:43] <brousch> it's like someone took osx, added 10x more annoying, superluous effects and removed all usability
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: kubuntu is the Fischer Price of desktops
[16:43] <wolfger> hey now
[16:44] <brousch> Blazeix: i have retreated to xubuntu in the past. it is indeed nice
[16:44] <brousch> the damn shut down button doesn't even work
[16:44] <brousch> in kubuntu
[16:44] <wolfger> ???
[16:44] <wolfger> works for me
[16:44] <wolfger> little else does
[16:44] <brousch> silently fails
[16:45] <wolfger> I reinstalled Kubuntu at Penguicon, and it was a massive load of fail
[16:45] <wolfger> but the reboot button worked just fine
[16:45] <wolfger> oh, wait, I did "sudo reboot" from Konsole, didn't I? :-p
[16:45] <snap-l> Did the "OMG, get me out of here" button work as well? :)
[16:45] <brousch> it makes me want to punch myself in the balls
[16:46] <wolfger> it makes me want brousch to punch himself in the balls too
[16:47] <brousch> i guess it's useful for something then
[16:47] <wolfger> snap-l: since when was F-P so insanely configurable? I think you're confusing KDE with Unity.
[16:47] <wolfger> Unity is the FIscher-Price desktop
[16:48] <snap-l> wolfger: I was able to drive in real nails with my Fisher-Price hammer
[16:48] <snap-l> that's configurable. ;)
[16:48] <snap-l> also converted it into a bludgeon on my friend, and gave him a big gash
[16:49] <wolfger> LOL
[16:51] <brousch> i'm gonna end up on ubuntu 10.04 for 2 more years
[16:54] <brousch> oh man, xpdf is some old-school shiznit
[16:55] <krondor> brousch: wow I haven't used that in years
[16:56] <brousch> snap-l and rick_h__ suggested it for an issue i'm having with pdfs
[16:57] <brousch> it seems to be generating a .ps successfully
[16:57] <brousch> hopefully i can turn that into something useful
[16:58] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, it's not pretty, but it works
[16:58] <brousch> damn, that interface and printing dialog takes me back to frickin 1997 and the sun workstations at UM
[16:58] <snap-l> It's the PDF reader of last resort. ;)
[16:59] <krondor> snap-l:  yeah I would think so!  lol any program that's named Xsomething you know is going to feel like a trip down memory lane.
[17:02] <rick_h__> brousch: did it work?
[17:02] <snap-l> Oh, btw: this finally uploaded (the Kobo discussion)
[17:02] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/sXf/
[17:03] <rick_h__> lol
[17:04] <rick_h__> "dude, close the dippy ticket, we don't make the pdfs, we just sell hardware hoping someone will try to use it"
[17:04] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[17:04] <snap-l> Figured it was worth a shot, but was well aware they'd tell me to piss up a rope.
[17:08] <brousch> rick_h__: it generated a postscript file. trying to convert it to something useful now
[17:10] <krondor> anyone been to umichlug?
[17:10] <wolfger> didn't know there was a umichlug
[17:14] <krondor> me neither, I had someone ask me if I could do the KDE talk from pcon at an ann arbor lug, I guess I assumed it was that one.
[17:17]  * brousch kisses snap-l on the head
[17:18] <brousch> i'm getting jpgs from the .ps. they are taking about 30s each to generate
[17:18] <brousch> assuming my laptop doesn't melt, i'll have good stuff in an hour
[17:19] <brousch> crap, wait a minute they're 8.5x11
[17:27] <wolfger> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-world-map.html
[17:45] <jrwren> anyone use remote syslog? I've got an old hardy server being remote syslog and it seems like it gets overloaded even with very few messages.
[18:09] <brousch> jrwren: a couple of people in grpug do remote logging. i think they both stopped using the remote syslog. they do something like pushing the logs to a remote db every minute or something
[18:10] <brousch> might even be a queue server involved
[18:10] <brousch> sorry, i'm pretty much braindead today
[18:13] <krondor> jrwren:  a long time ago, though I've been looking at doing it again.  I think after the wings lose last night I won't be much help recalling anything I used to do...
[18:17] <wolfger> agh
[18:17] <wolfger> I thought I would be safe from hearing about the Wings game in this channel
[18:17] <wolfger> thanks, Krondor
[18:17] <wolfger> :-p
[18:17] <snap-l> We tried remote syslogging, but it didn't seem to work very well
[18:18] <snap-l> wolfger: I think you want ubuntu-us-oh for Wings safety
[18:18] <wolfger> (actually, I'd already had the ending ruined for me, but I was intending to keep it a mystery until I could watch the game)
[18:18] <brousch> snap-l: i don't know. one guy i know from ohio is a huge wings fan
[18:19] <wolfger> I caught a glimpse of a thumbnail pic earlier that had smiling faces in what I could identify as Sharks jerseys :-(
[18:19] <wolfger> but usually sports don't get discussed here unless I bring them up
[18:20] <snap-l> wolfger: Sorry, bud
[18:21] <brousch> bah, sounds like you saved him hours of pain and heartache. you probably saved his life
[18:21] <krondor> wolfger: :'(
[18:22] <snap-l> Yeah, but what life is worth living knowing that the wings didn't win last night?
[18:22] <snap-l> I'll tell you, not much
[18:22] <wolfger> LOL
[18:22] <wolfger> yeah, actually, I'm glad I found out they lost, rather than waste an evening watching the heartbreak
[18:24]  * krondor trying hard not to start ranting about hockey
[18:24] <_stink_> it was a pretty good game, though.
[18:27] <brousch> no way, the wings totally got robbed
[18:28] <wolfger> krondor: want a hocket rant? How about "why the f*** is Detroit still stuck in the Western Conference, so that we are stuck with all these late-night playoff games those of us with jobs can't watch?"
[18:28] <wolfger> no offense to those of us with jobs who could watch it....
[18:29] <wolfger> but last night was an early start time. Normall games in San Jose start at 10 or 10:30, and I go to bed at 10 :-p
[18:29] <krondor> ooh that's a favorite rant, with an obvious answer.  wings in the east isn't fair or our chief rival would end up as the leafs which is no rivalry.
[18:30] <wolfger> No team in the Eastern time zone should be stuck in the Western conference
[18:30] <wolfger> and the Detroit-Toronto rivalry is a huge tradition
[18:31] <wolfger> I miss the home-at-home double headers they used to have, and the big road trips fans would make to attend both games
[18:31] <_stink_> my guess is that it's so Chicago isn't the only original six team in the West.
[18:32] <wolfger> Meh
[18:32] <wolfger> and could you imagine a Chicago-Detroit Stanley Cup final? EPIC
[18:33] <wolfger> Having Eastern teams in the Western conference makes no sense whatsoever, and it sucks for both Eastern and Western fans
[18:34] <snap-l> Having two conferences is dumb.
[18:34] <snap-l> let 'em all fight it out
[18:34] <wolfger> only reason is the idea that they need to keep the conferences balanced in terms of number of teams
[18:35] <wolfger> and snap-l has a very valid point, too
[18:35] <snap-l> Also, best of three
[18:35] <wolfger> do away with conferences and divisions, and come playoff time let the 16 best teams in the league duke it out
[18:35] <snap-l> And there needs to be a way to canonnize Don Cherry
[18:35] <snap-l> St Cherry
[18:36] <wolfger> and without divisions, you won't wind up with some crap team getting a #3 seed
[18:36] <wolfger> St. Cherry? Or St. Blue?
[18:36] <brousch> omg failwhale is flying
[18:36] <wolfger> Cherry just doesn't strike me as very saintly
[18:37] <wolfger> but I'd get behind bestowing that honor on his dog
[18:37] <snap-l> wolfger: The fuck you say?
[18:40] <snap-l> Don Cherry has been criticized for comments targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24]
[18:40] <wolfger> LOL
[18:40] <snap-l> That's a lot of attribution. ;P
[18:46] <greg-g> I love doing that on WP, adding tons of references for one sentence :)
[18:50] <_stink_> haha
[19:41] <binbrain> anybody want to help me with a networking problem
[19:41] <binbrain> a problem with a dhcp server over wireless via ad-hoc?
[19:41] <binbrain> I can make direct contact, ping and all
[19:42] <binbrain> I can nmap from the client and see ports 67 open
[19:42] <binbrain> I start dhclient on the wlan0, I see packets go out via tcpdump
[19:43] <binbrain> on the server I see nothing via tcpdump
[19:43] <binbrain> I can ping the server from the client via the broadcast address though
[19:43] <snap-l> are you sure the client is requesting?
[19:43] <binbrain> tcpdump says it is
[19:44] <binbrain> 192.168.0.99.47173 > 192.168.0.1.67: BOOTP/DHCP
[19:44] <binbrain> thats from the client
[19:45] <snap-l> hmmm
[19:45] <binbrain> if I nc -u 192.168.0.2 67 I can write and see output on tcpdump
[19:46] <snap-l> .2 or .1?
[19:46] <binbrain> its like, for some reason, the broadcast 192.168.0.255 never makes it to the server, even though if I ping -b 192.168.0.255 I see output
[19:46] <snap-l> You've got two separate servers listed there.
[19:46] <binbrain> 99 is the client's temp IP that I assign
[19:46] <binbrain> .1 the server
[19:46] <binbrain> .2 is a typo
[19:46] <binbrain> should be .1
[19:46] <snap-l> ok
[19:47] <snap-l> Have you tried clearing out the lease?
[19:47] <binbrain> on the client
[19:47] <binbrain> yes
[19:47] <snap-l> also on the server/
[19:47] <snap-l> ?
[19:47] <binbrain> that was a problem I think, but I clear them out now
[19:47] <binbrain> no
[19:47] <binbrain> let me try that
[19:48] <binbrain> ok, be back in a min :)
[19:49] <snap-l> heh
[19:53] <brousch> wtf the failwhale is still flying
[21:26] <TeamXlink> I've got two power supplies hooked up to my computer.
[21:27] <TeamXlink> When is powering the motherboard, which my agp graphics card is connected to.
[21:27] <TeamXlink> And the other is powering my fans and has the four pin plug connected to the power on my graphics card.
[21:27] <TeamXlink> If I "strip and splice" the wires from both of the powersupplies four pin connector to it, will it work?
[21:41] <snap-l> Please for the love of God do not do this.
[21:41] <snap-l> all you'll do is feed the power from one supply into the other supply, and (if your lucky) will blow out the weaker of the two
[21:42] <snap-l> TeamXlink: ^^
[21:45] <TeamXlink> Alright.
[21:45] <TeamXlink> Sweet, thanks.
[21:57] <snap-l> Well, I'd rather you not be picking up the pieces for something that sounds good, but is very dangerous.