[03:39] Have you ever heard of someone running hibernate on a desktop machine? [03:40] http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?p=1174740 [12:47] snap-l: yea, I've heard of it [13:22] Good morning [13:22] Just had someone from DTE replace our meter with a new smart meter. [13:23] coolio [13:23] snap-l: hibernating a desktop makes sense if you don't want to reload all of your apps, but don't want to burn unneeded watts over night [13:24] Well, it would have been nicer if they didn't come right at 8am [13:24] greg-g: Yeah, that's true [13:24] Just not a use-case that I've used. [13:24] snap-l: I did when I was a desktop user [13:26] Music to wiggle your mind-controlled cat ears to: It's !openmetalcat Club Metal, Episode 3: http://ur1.ca/463pk [13:26] greg-g: I just keep the machine on all night. ;) [13:33] hah, so I got forwarded an email from work asking for my opinions on the cr-48. [13:43] point them to your blog post [13:53] oy [13:58] hello [14:00] why would a channel return"Cannot Send to Channel" ? [14:01] PainBank1: maybe it is muted? [14:04] And you don't have voice [14:05] How to get rick_h__ to switch to Unity? http://www.rojtberg.net/419/intruducing-teatime/ [14:07] There ya go [14:08] rick_h__: Are they seriously thinking of moving the staff to CR48s? [14:11] snap-l: no idea, some staff member linked an article to my boss on them and boss forwarded to me asking what I thought about them [14:11] I don't see why a lot of staff couldn't use them [14:12] and if it means we ditch our exchange wannabe for google apps I'd be happy as a clam [14:12] That would be cool [14:13] Maybe if you give your NC developer a busybox web-app, then he and you will be more productive. ;) [14:13] "I haven't seen any check-ins from NC dude for a while" "I know... isn't it lovely?" [14:13] no, his new thing is that he found some vim-like plugin for pycharm and he's all happy [14:14] I've been debugging some new, thorny code these last few days and it would have been much less pleasant had I not been able to single step through the code, examine things easily, evaluate expressions on the fly, etc.. [14:14] "" ^^ [14:14] which looking at his crap code no wonder he needs to step through it [14:15] brousch: heh, yea, except I make tea in a kitchen and use a kitchen timer for it [14:18] rick_h__: But now you can use the power of Unity to help make your tea [14:18] It could only get better if there were a tea-making lens. ;) [14:20] party? [14:25] ok, now that PainBank1 is gone: party! [14:26] snap-l: I did not take your test last night. Did you see my Buzz last night about the Black Metal Chef? [14:26] Yep, I shared that before. ;) [14:29] ah, ok. I picked it up from somebody else [14:29] me [14:30] i have no idea where i got it from [14:30] <_stink_> if i had a nickel... [14:33] brousch: You are K Atrus? [14:40] http://identi.ca/notice/73415796 [14:40] snap-l: OpenMetal Cat? [14:41] Bah [14:41] Thanks. [14:42] It's an interesting mental image, at least :-) [14:43] Wel, yeah, if you're wiggling your cat ears, you'll want to listen to Open Metalcat. ;) [14:44] Look for snap-l next year at Penguicon wearing a headbanging cat fursuit [14:45] You can look all you want. [14:45] or at the next launch party... ocelot is a cat, innit? [14:47] so what's Ocelot+1 going to be? Pearly Parrot? With fully functional Parrot interpretor for Perl6 shipping as the default scripting language? [14:48] Plump Pompadoms. [14:52] wolfger: no, i posted the vegan black meta chef to twitter and FB wednesday. i assumed you had picked it up there [14:56] no, I got it off of Buzz [14:57] i tend to neglect posting to buzz. it feels like no one reads it on there [14:59] It's the only social media (other than Identica) that I can access from work, and since it's part of Gmail, it's also what I check the most outside of work, too [14:59] yeah, read it regularly, just rarely post to it [14:59] wow... "also" and "too" in the same sentence. I are a good writer :-p [15:00] I have my Buzz set up to feed Twitter and FB everything I post :-) [15:00] you misspelled 'r' [15:01] wolfger: i used to, then i looked at the tweets and FB posts it generated. they are inferior to native tweets and posts [15:01] for instance, your post to FB does not include a normal youtube video link [15:01] true, and I dislike that [15:02] it also chops off after like 140 characters and tacks on a bitly link back to the buzz [15:02] i got too annoyed by that [15:07] Yeah, my buzz is all posts from identi.ca [15:08] I check it every now and again because I might miss somethng that was on twitter. [15:39] Pic #4 kinda reminds me of greg-g... :-D http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/10/norway.beard.moustache.championship/index.html?hpt=C2 [15:42] wolfger: omg that is him! [15:43] wolfger: hey now! [15:44] does wearing a fox on your head make you a furry? ;-) [15:44] Wow. Now if he could only work in some welding goggles, I think we'd have Mr. Steampunk 2011 [15:45] #5 is a personal favorite [15:45] "steampunk": Any costume that incorporates leather-and-brass goggles. [16:01] http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=79719 <- Man, Unity is not getting any love [16:03] snap-l: and you were expecting? [16:03] this is the great exodus cyle [16:03] cycle [16:03] they'll come back around LTS after getting some reminder why then went to ubuntu and as unity solidifies and lets people do things like move that bar around [16:03] I was really hoping people would use it first before jumping ship [16:04] rick_h__: Agreed [16:04] sounds like this guy did [16:04] Though I pimped lococast. ;) [16:04] and I don't like it... [16:04] ? [16:04] that he did an upgrade and tried it [16:05] just responding to your wish people try it [16:05] sounds like he did, and found it lacking for him [16:05] Yeah, but Unity is not somethingthat you can try for 10 minutes [16:05] You need 15 minutes with someone who can tell you where everything is [16:05] It's not discoverable. [16:06] lol "I don't care for either Unity or Gnome 3 for my goto system for a few different reasons. However, I'm not their target audience... [16:06] " [16:06] glad I'm not the only one to realize that [16:12] Where did this Patrick Goetz guy trolling ubuntu-dev come from? After reading that thread on the mailing list I had to double check I wasn't actaully reading comments on slashdot or reddit instead [16:12] kubuntu for the settle? [16:15] i might try kubuntu [16:15] haven't really touched it since ~2008 [16:21] pdfs are driving me nuts lately [16:22] we got a 141 page pdf of 30x42" blueprints. the damn things are generated by drafting or modeling software and take forever to render [16:23] Those are huge [16:23] Yeah, they'll take a while ro render, especially if they are image files [16:23] and they use some goofy thing in them that annoys pdftk, so i can't even split them efficiently [16:24] evince doesn't seem to understand a paper size other than 8.5x11 [16:24] i think they're actually vector graphics, but they have so much frickin detail [16:25] placement of objects depends on the placement of other objects, and the calculations take forever [16:25] brousch: Check out xpdf. It's what I use when evince falls over flat. [16:25] does it have print? [16:26] evince opens fine, but slow. it doesn't want to print on a big piece of paper [16:26] yea, <3 xpdf [16:27] though with google chrome doing pdf rendering not been using it much lately [16:27] rick_h__: I had to turn that off. ;) [16:27] Drove me insane [16:27] yea? how come [16:27] also i need to strip out the no printing security on this pdf [16:28] evince ignore that [16:28] ignores [16:29] rick_h__: because it would view PDFs that I'd rather just save [16:30] snap-l: ah, guess I'm used to right-click save [16:31] i wrote a script that pipes annoying pdfs through various splitters and converts them to big old jpegs [16:31] but half the time something in the pdf is "broken" and the utilities don't work [16:32] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/developers-hit-by-legal-threats-over-ios-in-app-purchasing-upgrades/12763 [16:32] man, gotta love the world we live in [16:32] rick_h__: That's our generations gold prospectors [16:33] fucking patent trolls and "intellectual property" [16:41] my god kubuntu is a fugly beast [16:42] how does anyone use this? [16:43] I was playing around with xubuntu last week. It's amazing. [16:43] it's like someone took osx, added 10x more annoying, superluous effects and removed all usability [16:43] brousch: kubuntu is the Fischer Price of desktops [16:43] hey now [16:44] Blazeix: i have retreated to xubuntu in the past. it is indeed nice [16:44] the damn shut down button doesn't even work [16:44] in kubuntu [16:44] ??? [16:44] works for me [16:44] little else does [16:44] silently fails [16:45] I reinstalled Kubuntu at Penguicon, and it was a massive load of fail [16:45] but the reboot button worked just fine [16:45] oh, wait, I did "sudo reboot" from Konsole, didn't I? :-p [16:45] Did the "OMG, get me out of here" button work as well? :) [16:45] it makes me want to punch myself in the balls [16:46] it makes me want brousch to punch himself in the balls too [16:47] i guess it's useful for something then [16:47] snap-l: since when was F-P so insanely configurable? I think you're confusing KDE with Unity. [16:47] Unity is the FIscher-Price desktop [16:48] wolfger: I was able to drive in real nails with my Fisher-Price hammer [16:48] that's configurable. ;) [16:48] also converted it into a bludgeon on my friend, and gave him a big gash [16:49] LOL [16:51] i'm gonna end up on ubuntu 10.04 for 2 more years [16:54] oh man, xpdf is some old-school shiznit [16:55] brousch: wow I haven't used that in years [16:56] snap-l and rick_h__ suggested it for an issue i'm having with pdfs [16:57] it seems to be generating a .ps successfully [16:57] hopefully i can turn that into something useful [16:58] brousch: Yeah, it's not pretty, but it works [16:58] damn, that interface and printing dialog takes me back to frickin 1997 and the sun workstations at UM [16:58] It's the PDF reader of last resort. ;) [16:59] snap-l: yeah I would think so! lol any program that's named Xsomething you know is going to feel like a trip down memory lane. [17:02] brousch: did it work? [17:02] Oh, btw: this finally uploaded (the Kobo discussion) [17:02] http://ubuntuone.com/p/sXf/ [17:03] lol [17:04] "dude, close the dippy ticket, we don't make the pdfs, we just sell hardware hoping someone will try to use it" [17:04] Yeah, no kidding [17:04] Figured it was worth a shot, but was well aware they'd tell me to piss up a rope. [17:08] rick_h__: it generated a postscript file. trying to convert it to something useful now [17:10] anyone been to umichlug? [17:10] didn't know there was a umichlug [17:14] me neither, I had someone ask me if I could do the KDE talk from pcon at an ann arbor lug, I guess I assumed it was that one. [17:17] * brousch kisses snap-l on the head [17:18] i'm getting jpgs from the .ps. they are taking about 30s each to generate [17:18] assuming my laptop doesn't melt, i'll have good stuff in an hour [17:19] crap, wait a minute they're 8.5x11 [17:27] http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-world-map.html [17:45] anyone use remote syslog? I've got an old hardy server being remote syslog and it seems like it gets overloaded even with very few messages. [18:09] jrwren: a couple of people in grpug do remote logging. i think they both stopped using the remote syslog. they do something like pushing the logs to a remote db every minute or something [18:10] might even be a queue server involved [18:10] sorry, i'm pretty much braindead today [18:13] jrwren: a long time ago, though I've been looking at doing it again. I think after the wings lose last night I won't be much help recalling anything I used to do... [18:17] agh [18:17] I thought I would be safe from hearing about the Wings game in this channel [18:17] thanks, Krondor [18:17] :-p [18:17] We tried remote syslogging, but it didn't seem to work very well [18:18] wolfger: I think you want ubuntu-us-oh for Wings safety [18:18] (actually, I'd already had the ending ruined for me, but I was intending to keep it a mystery until I could watch the game) [18:18] snap-l: i don't know. one guy i know from ohio is a huge wings fan [18:19] I caught a glimpse of a thumbnail pic earlier that had smiling faces in what I could identify as Sharks jerseys :-( [18:19] but usually sports don't get discussed here unless I bring them up [18:20] wolfger: Sorry, bud [18:21] bah, sounds like you saved him hours of pain and heartache. you probably saved his life [18:21] wolfger: :'( [18:22] Yeah, but what life is worth living knowing that the wings didn't win last night? [18:22] I'll tell you, not much [18:22] LOL [18:22] yeah, actually, I'm glad I found out they lost, rather than waste an evening watching the heartbreak [18:24] * krondor trying hard not to start ranting about hockey [18:24] <_stink_> it was a pretty good game, though. [18:27] no way, the wings totally got robbed [18:28] krondor: want a hocket rant? How about "why the f*** is Detroit still stuck in the Western Conference, so that we are stuck with all these late-night playoff games those of us with jobs can't watch?" [18:28] no offense to those of us with jobs who could watch it.... [18:29] but last night was an early start time. Normall games in San Jose start at 10 or 10:30, and I go to bed at 10 :-p [18:29] ooh that's a favorite rant, with an obvious answer. wings in the east isn't fair or our chief rival would end up as the leafs which is no rivalry. [18:30] No team in the Eastern time zone should be stuck in the Western conference [18:30] and the Detroit-Toronto rivalry is a huge tradition [18:31] I miss the home-at-home double headers they used to have, and the big road trips fans would make to attend both games [18:31] <_stink_> my guess is that it's so Chicago isn't the only original six team in the West. [18:32] Meh [18:32] and could you imagine a Chicago-Detroit Stanley Cup final? EPIC [18:33] Having Eastern teams in the Western conference makes no sense whatsoever, and it sucks for both Eastern and Western fans [18:34] Having two conferences is dumb. [18:34] let 'em all fight it out [18:34] only reason is the idea that they need to keep the conferences balanced in terms of number of teams [18:35] and snap-l has a very valid point, too [18:35] Also, best of three [18:35] do away with conferences and divisions, and come playoff time let the 16 best teams in the league duke it out [18:35] And there needs to be a way to canonnize Don Cherry [18:35] St Cherry [18:36] and without divisions, you won't wind up with some crap team getting a #3 seed [18:36] St. Cherry? Or St. Blue? [18:36] omg failwhale is flying [18:36] Cherry just doesn't strike me as very saintly [18:37] but I'd get behind bestowing that honor on his dog [18:37] wolfger: The fuck you say? [18:40] Don Cherry has been criticized for comments targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24] [18:40] LOL [18:40] That's a lot of attribution. ;P [18:46] I love doing that on WP, adding tons of references for one sentence :) [18:50] <_stink_> haha [19:41] anybody want to help me with a networking problem [19:41] a problem with a dhcp server over wireless via ad-hoc? [19:41] I can make direct contact, ping and all [19:42] I can nmap from the client and see ports 67 open [19:42] I start dhclient on the wlan0, I see packets go out via tcpdump [19:43] on the server I see nothing via tcpdump [19:43] I can ping the server from the client via the broadcast address though [19:43] are you sure the client is requesting? [19:43] tcpdump says it is [19:44] 192.168.0.99.47173 > 192.168.0.1.67: BOOTP/DHCP [19:44] thats from the client [19:45] hmmm [19:45] if I nc -u 192.168.0.2 67 I can write and see output on tcpdump [19:46] .2 or .1? [19:46] its like, for some reason, the broadcast 192.168.0.255 never makes it to the server, even though if I ping -b 192.168.0.255 I see output [19:46] You've got two separate servers listed there. [19:46] 99 is the client's temp IP that I assign [19:46] .1 the server [19:46] .2 is a typo [19:46] should be .1 [19:46] ok [19:47] Have you tried clearing out the lease? [19:47] on the client [19:47] yes [19:47] also on the server/ [19:47] ? [19:47] that was a problem I think, but I clear them out now [19:47] no [19:47] let me try that [19:48] ok, be back in a min :) [19:49] heh [19:53] wtf the failwhale is still flying [21:26] I've got two power supplies hooked up to my computer. [21:27] When is powering the motherboard, which my agp graphics card is connected to. [21:27] And the other is powering my fans and has the four pin plug connected to the power on my graphics card. [21:27] If I "strip and splice" the wires from both of the powersupplies four pin connector to it, will it work? [21:41] Please for the love of God do not do this. [21:41] all you'll do is feed the power from one supply into the other supply, and (if your lucky) will blow out the weaker of the two [21:42] TeamXlink: ^^ [21:45] Alright. [21:45] Sweet, thanks. [21:57] Well, I'd rather you not be picking up the pieces for something that sounds good, but is very dangerous.