[00:36] <canthus13> Cheri703: Sully with anything distinctly Hungarian would be cool. :)
[02:55] <TheErk> Hola.
[03:48]  * jgould wanders in
[03:48] <Unit193> Yello jgould
[03:49] <jgould> Evening, Unit193
[03:50] <jgould> I shall go retrofit the AC in my car tonight...  Then maybe it won't be so dagon hot...
[04:26] <jgould> Hmm... Chromium or Firefox...
[04:26] <Unit193> Firefox!
[04:29] <jgould> I'm leaning that way as well.  but it's more like which uses less memory?  (never mind the fact that I have 8GB of ram...
[04:32] <Unit193> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll29s57p801qaqv3qo1_500.jpg
[04:35] <jgould> I really need to get a plugin to do something with the scripts for URLs in WeeChat...
[04:40] <jgould> be back after wile
[05:05] <canthus13> Unit193: That's awesome.
[05:05] <canthus13> jgould: I've seen chrome use tons of ram.. I've seen Firefox use tons of ram.  It's mroe a matter of what you prefer.
[06:56] <jgould> I have seen both as well, canthus13
[07:03] <jgould> Firefox is the only application that I've ever seen use more ram than kernel_task on MacOS X
[07:07] <Unit193> Midori is nice if you need really lightweight (And only a bit buggy)
[07:20] <jgould> My previous macbook only had 2GB of ram, so I'm always watching it...  Old habits die hard
[07:24] <Unit193> "It's going really slow, I need to close some things...."
[07:25] <jgould> Pretty much
[08:04] <jgould> Cheri703: your hostname is a mouthful...
[08:05] <Cheri703> yeah
[08:06] <Cheri703> I'm at UDS
[08:06] <Cheri703> in budapest
[08:07]  * jgould has no clue how to program...
[08:07] <Cheri703> nor do I
[08:08] <jgould> So what are you learning at the develpoer conference?
[08:08] <Cheri703> ALL KINDS OF STUFF
[08:09] <Cheri703> I've been posting a bunch on my identi.ca account (I'm cheri703 on there)
[08:09] <jgould> identi.ca
[08:09] <jgould> ?
[08:09] <Cheri703> it's like twiter
[08:09] <Cheri703> *twitter
[08:09] <Cheri703> I have also been posting on my work twitter, but not as much stuff
[08:10] <jgould> Hah
[08:10] <jgould> er
[08:10] <Cheri703> heh
[08:10] <jgould> ah
[08:10] <Cheri703> I just made it right before the trip
[08:10]  * jgould is having trouble typing
[08:11] <Cheri703> no worries. I am tired
[08:11] <Cheri703> it's 9:11am right now
[08:12] <jgould> It's 3am here...
[08:12] <Cheri703> yeah
[08:13] <jgould> I think I shall be heading to bed.  good Day?  Heh  Fill your brain with knowledge to bring back to us!
[08:14] <Unit193> Then we can talk about it at the next U-H ;)
[08:14] <jgould> Heh
[08:14] <jgould> Night guys
[08:15] <Cheri703> night
[08:15] <Cheri703> Unit193: I'm totally wearing my uds shirt for ubuntu hour :)
[08:15] <Unit193> G'night!
[08:15] <Cheri703> also will bring stickers and such
[08:16] <Cheri703> it will be next wednesday at 5, fyi
[08:16] <Cheri703> our ubuntu hour
[08:17] <Unit193> There were two deaths today, so I don't know what's going on :/
[08:17] <Cheri703> :( :(
[08:17] <Unit193> Should all be good, but I don't know...
[08:17] <Cheri703> I saw that, sorry to hear about that
[08:18] <Unit193> That's never a good thing...
[08:19] <Unit193> If it's a normal day, that Weds will work better than normal
[08:19] <Cheri703> kk
[08:20] <Cheri703> that will also let some of the other folks (at least in theory) be able to attend
[08:28] <BiosElement> I really love this Facebook smear attack on Google...
[08:28] <BiosElement> It's amusing to see people defend google for once
[08:29]  * Unit193 hasn't seen it... Only that FB is doing it..
[08:29] <BiosElement> You haven't seen it since it never got written.
[08:29] <BiosElement> See they tried to recruit a whole bunch of privacy experts, well one of them posted the email online :P
[08:30] <BiosElement> And there went their scummy attack plan
[08:32] <BiosElement> And of course, in the end it gets even better
[08:32] <BiosElement> Facebook is in bed with Microsoft, so this isn't just facebook attacking google. It leads right back to Microsoft, funny how that always seems to happen...
[11:56] <canthus13> Cheri703: when do you head back?
[14:50] <Derath-Srvr> hi all
[14:50] <Cheri703> hola
[14:51] <Derath-Srvr> How's UDS going?
[14:52] <Cheri703> pretty good
[14:52] <Cheri703> last day
[14:52] <Derath-Srvr> Going to miss it tomorrow? lol
[14:52] <Cheri703> yes and no
[14:52] <Derath-Srvr> Ah
[14:53] <Derath-Srvr> What part won't you miss?
[14:55] <Cheri703> the food at the hotel is meh, my feet hurt, my roommate keeps me up, and I think I'm getting sick...also the whole thing is just really tiring, it's constant information and people and meeting and etc
[14:55] <Derath-Srvr> lol Yep...
[14:55] <Derath-Srvr> kinda like a week long OLF huh?
[14:55] <Cheri703> yeah, only mark shuttleworth is here and various other people
[14:56] <Derath-Srvr> True enough, have you gotten to talk with mark 1on1?
[14:57]  * Derath-Srvr has always wondered what he's like in person...
[15:11] <Derath-Srvr> wb
[15:13] <Cheri703> thanks, low power, hibernated
[15:14] <Cheri703> and no, no one on one with mark shuttleworth, have passed him in the hall a few times, and shared an elevator with him
[15:16] <Derath-Srvr> cool
[15:16] <Cheri703> yeah, kind of neat
[15:19] <canthus13> Cheri703: Didja manage to get a pic of sully with something hungarian? (Sign, local beer, etc..)
[15:19] <Cheri703> yep, there's a train station and I got a sign that says "budapest" in the background
[15:19] <canthus13> Sweet! :)
[15:19] <Cheri703> will see if I can get any more, but I'm pretty much out of time other than perhaps in the airport
[15:20] <canthus13> That's all good...
[15:20] <Cheri703> oh, also in front of a hungarian ice cream store sign
[15:20] <Cheri703> and eating an ice cream cone
[15:20] <Cheri703> ...
[15:20] <canthus13> Awesome.. :)
[15:20] <Cheri703> anyway
[15:20] <Cheri703> I'll try to get them sent before I get on my flight tomorrow
[15:20] <canthus13> Cool...
[15:21] <Cheri703> just as a note: we as a loco are slacking :) compared to many out there...
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> how so?
[15:22] <Cheri703> well, others have lots more members, MANY more events, doing outreach, participating in organized testing, etc
[15:22] <canthus13> I'm not surprised.  We've got a number of people left feeling like Ubuntu has ditched us...
[15:23] <Cheri703> as far as the cd's?
[15:23] <Derath-Srvr> Not to mention having a splinter group under us that we didn't know about
[15:23] <Cheri703> I saw someone mention that...is it an official loco? or unofficial?
[15:24]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[15:25]  * canthus13 has a hard time doing any kind of outreach/evangelism when he's embarrased to show the latest offerings.
[15:25] <Cheri703> true
[15:25] <Cheri703> but I'm all for promoting the older ones
[15:25] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, Gnome, KDE and XFCE are still "latest offerings"
[15:25] <canthus13> specifically, Unity.  And from what I've seen, it's only getting worse. (Total removal of gnome classic...)
[15:25] <Cheri703> when vista came out, people were still promoting xp
[15:27] <_bbb> i find it somewhat stupid that it requires 3d
[15:28] <Cheri703> 2d is coming
[15:28] <Cheri703> apparently
[15:28] <Derath-Srvr> Service release
[15:31] <_bbb> i love jorge but unity not so much
[15:31] <_bbb> i see ther eis a unity-2d ppa
[15:32] <Cheri703> yeah, I installed 11.04 on my other partition the other day, but until some things about the launcher are changed, patched, or replaceable, then I can't use it full time. it kills my normal workflow
[15:33] <Cheri703> hehe, mark shuttleworth just walked into the governance meeting
[15:34] <Cheri703> BiosElement, jacob: who has ownership of the Ubuntu Columbus, OH facebook page? it's...sad
[15:37] <_bbb> better than clevelands
[15:37] <Cheri703> possibly
[15:37] <Cheri703> just saying
[15:38] <Cheri703> oh, and for the record: it is completely ok for there to be more than one approved loco team per state
[15:38] <Cheri703> there are many states with multiple
[15:38] <Cheri703> so that has nothing to do with canonical (on the note of feeling abandoned)
[15:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: Makes sense for a state like California or TX... although I like the ReLoCo concept better...
[15:39] <Cheri703> I think they'd also be much more likely to send swag or other stuff if we were showing growing numbers, events happening, etc etc
[15:39] <Cheri703> dunno though
[15:40] <Cheri703> true canthus13, but if a group of people didn't like the overall structure of ours, then they have every right to go make a new one
[15:41] <canthus13> True...
[15:41] <Cheri703> though we are pretty distantly spread
[15:41] <Cheri703> so if there was a "western ohio" loco and a "southern ohio" loco, that'd actually probably help, because having everything based in columbus leaves the people out on the edges feeling left out
[15:41] <Cheri703> I dunno
[15:49] <canthus13> That was the reason for the ReLoCo setup, really...
[15:50] <Cheri703> true, but it does limit how much crap we can get from canonical...if we had 5 different loco teams in the state, we'd have PLENTY of CDs and such
[15:51] <Cheri703> vs one team's worth of stuff
[15:51] <Cheri703> (also, mark shuttleworth's accent is VERY south african :) )
[15:53] <Cheri703> so I might have found this other group...
[15:55] <Cheri703> HA
[15:55] <Cheri703> one of the founders of the group (from what I can tell) is the brother of a guy I know
[15:59] <Cheri703> http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-Stop/
[16:00] <deejoe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/664107/comments/9 <- yes.  I hate that #1 was filed as a bug
[16:01] <Cheri703> http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-Stop/events/past/#initialized
[16:07] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, that's the other group...
[16:08] <Cheri703> I'm going to put out feelers to talk to them
[16:09] <thafreak> just fyi, if any of you ever get an openvz vps...iptables is a pain...
[16:10] <thafreak> so things like ufw and fail2ban don't work quite as advertised...
[16:11] <Cheri703> UDS Wrap up starting
[16:11] <jacob> Cheri703: fe: Facebook, I'm not sure
[16:11] <jacob> re:* Facebook *
[16:11] <Cheri703> ok, no worries
[16:16] <canthus13> I wonder if we could get Sully honorary ubuntu membership....
[16:16] <Cheri703> hmm...
[16:17] <Cheri703> hmmm.....I'll see what I can do
[16:20] <canthus13> Heh.
[21:35] <dniMretsaM> hi every1
[21:35] <Cheri703> hi
[21:36] <Unit193> Howdy dniMretsaM , Cheri703
[21:36] <Derath-Srvr> Hi
[21:36] <dniMretsaM> hey unit/cheri/derath
[21:37] <dniMretsaM> Unit, r u on here 24/7?
[21:37] <Unit193> Just about...
[21:37] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Howdy! (I missed you ;) )
[21:38]  * Cheri703 is packing up for the trip home
[21:38] <Unit193> I'm always logged in
[21:39] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[21:39] <Derath-Srvr> Oh.. lol
[21:39] <Derath-Srvr> missed me like 6 hours or so ago.. lol
[21:39] <dniMretsaM> lol
[21:42] <dniMretsaM> I'm getting really tired of all these anti-Uniy/11.04 threads on the Ubuntu Forums...
[21:45] <Unit193> dniMretsaM: Do you like Unity?
[21:45]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[21:45] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: You smirk ALL the time...
[21:45] <Derath-Srvr> Doesn't seem like it gets much better around here... *glances around to particular members*
[21:45] <Derath-Srvr> Of course I do
[21:46] <Unit193> Yeah.... I'll stay off Unity's case...
[21:47] <Derath-Srvr> I don't mind it, I think there's room for improvement in it though. Would I use it? probably not, just not the style of desktop that appeals to me, but then, that's what linux is all about, right? choice?
[21:47] <dniMretsaM> Yes. Well, I like the 3D version. The 2D version has way less customization options than 3D (which still doesn't have that many).
[21:48] <dniMretsaM> My computer won't run the 3D, so I use KDE instead
[21:48] <Derath-Srvr> I see pros and cons to each one, but mostly again from a personal perspective...
[21:48] <Derath-Srvr> Really need to set my wife in front of it and see what she things...
[21:49] <Derath-Srvr> (new/untrained user perspective)
[21:49] <dniMretsaM> IMO, Unity is good. I know it's not perfect, but it will get better. I can respect thtat people don't like it, but don't post ANOTHER thread about it
[21:50] <Derath-Srvr> lol truer words have not been said recently lol
[21:50] <dniMretsaM> your wife should already b using *buntu. get with the game man!
[21:50] <Derath-Srvr> She is, but doesn't lik eit much...
[21:51] <Derath-Srvr> She doesn't do much on it other than web browse and calculator...
[21:51] <dniMretsaM> non-geeks ftl
[21:51]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[21:52] <dniMretsaM> how do u do the action (blu text) thing
[21:54] <Derath-Srvr> type /me <action>
[21:54] <Derath-Srvr> And doesn't come up blue for me... lol all I see is white text lol
[21:55]  * Derath-Srvr slaps irssi around...
[21:55] <Unit193> Green for me :D
[21:55] <Derath-Srvr> Definitely going to have to check into weechat...
[21:55] <dniMretsaM> oh lol. I'm on Quassel (KDE IRC client). that's probably y it comes up blue
[21:56] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Sounds like you need a good theme...
[21:56] <dniMretsaM> oops. just hid the menu bar
[21:56] <dniMretsaM> now to figure out how to get it back...
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> More than just a theme, after seeing other clients, irssi just isn't keeping my attention like it used to...
[21:57] <Unit193> ...That works too!
[21:59]  * canthus13 lurves irssi, can't imagine using another client.
[22:00] <Derath-Srvr> laters all!
[22:00] <Cheri703> I'm considering quassel
[22:00] <Derath-Srvr> And my reservation for OLF hsa been made!!! WOOT!
[22:00] <Cheri703> because it's graphical but has a core / client setup so you can get the same effect as irssi and screen
[22:00] <Cheri703> awesome Derath-Srvr
[22:00] <canthus13> Quassel seems like a lot of hassle for no gain.
[22:00] <dniMretsaM> quassel seems nice
[22:01] <Unit193> canthus13: I use the sounds of Pidgin (Use irssi for text and as a proxy for pidgin)
[22:01] <dniMretsaM> never used any other IRC clients though, so yeah..
[22:01] <Cheri703> I'm going to mess with it when I get home, so we'll see
[22:01] <canthus13> Unit193: I've thought about piping IM clients to irssi, but I don't use IM software enoguh to bother...
[22:02] <dniMretsaM> wut is pigdin?
[22:02] <Unit193> I only use IM with Finxh
[22:02] <Unit193> But I also use Finch...
[22:04] <Unit193> canthus13: I use the IRC part of Pidgin so I can tell if I'm getting a msg or if it's a msg to the channel
[22:05] <dniMretsaM> I used to think sudo was pronounced sue-doe
[22:06] <dniMretsaM> yes, IK that was random, but I just typed it into terminal. that's wut made me think of it
[22:06] <Cheri703> how do you think it's pronounced?
[22:06] <dniMretsaM> sue-due
[22:07] <Cheri703> ...it's sue-doe
[22:07] <dniMretsaM> since you're doing something as su
[22:07] <dniMretsaM> that would make it sue-due
[22:07] <Cheri703> it's pronounced sue-doe though
[22:08] <Cheri703> I have NEVER heard it as sue-due...
[22:08] <Cheri703> though I suppose it's a matter of region
[22:08] <dniMretsaM> but that doesn't make sense though
[22:09] <Cheri703> *shrug* say it how you want...I've never heard it that way, I will continue to say it how I do
[22:09]  * canthus13 says sue-due.
[22:09]  * Cheri703 thinks canthus13 doesn't count because he's weird
[22:10] <dniMretsaM> lol
[22:15] <canthus13> Cheri703: thpthpthpthpthp.
[22:15] <Cheri703> mmmhm
[22:36] <dniMretsaM> what r ur oppinions on DRMs? we're discussing it on the forums (not related to the thread, but we're still talking about it lol)
[22:41] <canthus13> it's obnoxious and interferes with fair use.
[22:51] <dniMretsaM> that seems to be the general consensus. but sadly, they still exist. even though they don't do anything to stop piracy which is supposed to b the point