[00:52] <nlsthzn-work> Symmetria: how much storage has that monster of yours have again?
[03:32] <nlsthzn-work> cheers all
[06:53] <sakhi> moonin
[06:55] <Kilos> morning superfly sakhi 
[06:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:56]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:01] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[07:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay :-)
[07:02] <hihanhoesj> morning
[07:09] <Kilos> hi hihanhoesj 
[07:09] <hihanhoesj> How are you this morning?
[07:09] <Kilos> well ty and you
[07:10] <Kilos> just struggling with vfs email address
[07:11] <Kilos> have mailed them once before now it keeps failing
[07:11] <hihanhoesj> what type of failure is it?
[07:12] <Kilos> The error that the other server returned was: 451 451 Temporary local problem - please try later (state 14).
[07:12] <Kilos> today is the second day already
[07:12] <Kilos> actually sent on wednesday night
[07:12] <hihanhoesj> hmm they might have a database problem...
[07:13] <hihanhoesj> oh thats very helpfull from their side :s
[07:13] <Kilos> yeah and i am trying to get a visa app through
[07:14] <Kilos> or actually just for them to acknowledge receipt of their fees so i can take the forms in
[07:34] <Kilos> hi rainking 
[07:43] <Kilos> lo Tonberry 
[08:24] <superfly> morning Kilos
[08:25] <Kilos> hows ya superfly 
[08:25] <Kilos> at least this channel grew back some again
[08:25] <Kilos> 10 more than last week
[08:26] <superfly> Kilos: getting there
[08:28] <marcog> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode <- we have indeed seen a bit of a surge
[08:28] <marcog> any particulare reason?
[08:32]  * inetpro wonders
[08:32] <inetpro> good morning
[08:33] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:33]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:36] <Kilos> hi marcog coupla new faces here , and some old ones came back
[08:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[08:37] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[08:37] <Maaz> inetpro: No problem
[08:38] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[08:38] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[09:26] <rainking> hey all
[09:28] <rainking> finally got xbmc to run on natty last night, anyone else running it that i can ask a question or two?
[09:36] <cocooncrash> rainking: I use it, but on Maverick
[09:37] <rainking> cool - yeah i had to switch to the maverick repo to get it to work
[09:38] <rainking> for starters, i'm new to xbmc - i can't seem to find a search option anywhere in it - am i missing something?
[09:38] <rainking> i googled, but all i get is a lot of skinning/customization results
[09:40] <cocooncrash> rainking: I haven't found or looked for a search feature
[09:41] <cocooncrash> rainking: Have you enabled library mode and set content types on your directories?
[09:42] <cocooncrash> That's the main thing I needed to do.
[09:42] <rainking> yup
[09:42] <rainking> took me a while to figure out i needed to do that :)
[09:42] <cocooncrash> So why do you need to search? ;-)
[09:42] <cocooncrash> (Me too.)
[09:42] <rainking> also, the auto-scanning doesn't seem to work.. had to manually scan each source
[09:42] <cocooncrash> rainking: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Video_Library#Searching_your_Library
[09:43] <rainking> runs better on Ubuntu than it does on OSX tho ... on OSX i could not get the streaming to another UPnP device to work, on ubuntu it just worked
[09:43] <rainking> dude, if i missed an obvious wiki page i will commit ritual suicide
[09:43] <rainking> oh saw that
[09:43] <rainking> still can't find the search button :P
[09:44] <cocooncrash> rainking: Have you looked in the context menu?
[09:44] <rainking> i downloaded the xbmc remote app for my android phone as well, pretty sweet setup now :D
[09:44] <cocooncrash> Oh, not there
[09:44] <cocooncrash> rainking: Yeah, the Andrid app is very cool
[09:44] <rainking> nope
[09:44] <cocooncrash> I don't have an Android (yet), so I setup anyremote
[09:45] <cocooncrash> Ah!
[09:45] <rainking> i left the box indexing/scanning this morning when i left the house, will check again when i get home ... but you're right, its nicely sorted, not much need for a search
[09:45] <cocooncrash> rainking: In the side bar thing, under "Misc Options"
[09:45] <rainking> Oh really? did not see it there
[09:45] <cocooncrash> rainking: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Video_Library#Navigating_your_Library
[09:46] <rainking> thanks, will take a look later
[09:46] <rainking> hmm, so sure i didn;t see that
[09:46] <rainking> maybe i was in the wrong context, or it needed to finish scanning
[09:46] <rainking> thanks mate :)
[09:46] <cocooncrash> np
[09:48] <rainking> another thing ... my "media server" is an old P4 with onboard graphics.. my TV is HD though, but the res won't go over 1024x768 or so, and in Settings -> Monitors everything is greyed out..
[09:48] <rainking> any way to get a higher res out of the thing?
[09:48] <rainking> or do i just need better hardware
[09:48] <rainking> its almost like it can't detect the telly
[09:48] <rainking> in fact, its exactly like that ... can't detect the monitor
[09:48] <rainking> its plugged in via VGA
[09:59] <cocooncrash> rainking: Do you know what chipset?
[09:59] <cocooncrash> rainking: I'd poke around with xrandr
[10:00] <rainking> nah, not offhand - ok, thanks
[10:00] <cocooncrash> I'd expect even old graphics chips to do better than 1024x768
[10:00] <cocooncrash> It might also be a monitor detection issue
[10:00] <cocooncrash> i.e. the graphics chip doesn't think that the TV can handle anything else
[10:15]  * nlsthzn waves
[10:15] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[10:17] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos 
[10:18] <nlsthzn> I am running a strange mixed OS at the moment...
[10:23] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <nlsthzn> installed Gnome 3 on Natty...
[10:24] <Kilos> and?
[10:24] <Kilos> you happier
[10:24] <hihanhoesj> and unity is the lesser of the two evils?
[10:24] <Kilos> lol
[10:26] <nlsthzn> hihanhoesj: I wouldn't call unity evil... I was enjoying it... as for Gnome 3... now that I have made it look better, and even have some unity cross-over with the scroll-bars I am enjoying it
[10:27] <hihanhoesj> ah, neither would I call it evil, but I wont call it good either.
[10:27] <hihanhoesj> I would have prefered gnome2
[10:27] <hihanhoesj> but alas, the choice is gnome3(yuck) and unity ;)
[10:28] <nlsthzn> got to say that gnome 3 has some really slick transitions... and with the faenza icon set it looks good
[10:28] <hihanhoesj> but it sucks in resources like a black hole
[10:29] <hihanhoesj> and having 512mb out of 768mb ram in use, without anything opened kinda sucks :)
[10:29] <nlsthzn> not noticing it (yet).... lappy is core 2 with 2gb ram, intel gfx
[10:29] <nlsthzn> 330mb in use... having lots happening at the moment
[10:29] <nlsthzn> not to shabby
[10:30] <hihanhoesj> otoh unity, after running for a few day in constant mode = 256mb
[10:30] <hihanhoesj> meaning I can actually open FireFox on this machine :)
[10:30] <nlsthzn> :) cool
[10:31] <nlsthzn> :p
[10:31] <hihanhoesj> so I kinda like unity :)
[10:31] <nlsthzn> I think unity will rock come 12.04
[10:31] <hihanhoesj> let hope :)
[10:31] <inetpro> nlsthzn: you see there is the problem
[10:32] <nlsthzn> not that I am saying that it is "bad" now
[10:32] <inetpro> many of the developers these days sit with enough resources and don't notice the problem
[10:32] <hihanhoesj> but judging by the ubuntu mail list, lotsa people are demanding heads for the unity rollout
[10:33]  * inetpro hates bloated software
[10:33] <hihanhoesj> and if they get those heads, unity rollout will be replaced by gnome3
[10:33] <hihanhoesj> agreed inetpro
[10:33] <nlsthzn> but there is a clear divide between the "pretty" DE and the lightweight ones
[10:33] <hihanhoesj> and then there is xfce, right?
[10:34] <nlsthzn> hehe... medium :D
[10:34] <hihanhoesj> inbetween
[10:34] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki <[10:34] <hihanhoesj> gotta get back to my programming now :)
[10:34] <Symmetria> busy typing up another 8 or 9 pieces and then will draw from various other engineers I know :)
[10:35] <nlsthzn> Symmetria: eish... why you lie :p
[10:36] <hihanhoesj> ooh, I see what you did there...
[10:40] <Symmetria> heh, got a coupla other really nasty ones I can add there
[10:41] <inetpro> Symmetria: nice, I hope that site will grow so more
[10:41] <Symmetria> heh about to add one about how to extend vlan in vlan across the country to a single site 
[10:41] <Symmetria> busy doing the diagrams and example configs 
[10:41] <Symmetria> but QinQ across country is evil and you probably never wanna do it :P
[10:41] <inetpro> Symmetria: what do you use for diagramming?
[10:42] <Symmetria> those were done in visio, but I also use omnigraffle on the mac and on my ipad
[10:43] <Symmetria> I actually prefer omnigraffle normally but my damn iMAC needs its harddrive replaced and I didnt feel like working on my notebook :P 
[10:44] <inetpro> ok
[10:44] <Symmetria> heh that TE monitoring stuff is pretty neat
[10:45] <Symmetria> and really useful 
[10:45] <Symmetria> because its a real pain in the ass to monitor rings otherwise
[10:45] <Symmetria> (I despise trying to process SNMP traps that can go missing)
[10:48]  * inetpro is still waiting for a ultimate graphing/diagramming solution on ubuntu/kubuntu
[10:49] <Symmetria> heh yeah, its one of a coupla things I find that is seriously lacking under linux
[10:49] <hihanhoesj> dia work for basic stuff
[10:49] <Symmetria> there is nothing that can come close to omnigraffle and/or visio sadly
[10:49] <Symmetria> yeah, but dia is a long long way from being visio :)
[10:49] <hihanhoesj> agreed
[10:50] <hihanhoesj> visio needs to start catching up to dia :)
[10:50] <Symmetria> heh, there are a coupla things applications that linux really needs that its missing like that though
[10:50] <hihanhoesj> j/k
[10:50] <Symmetria> (A decent integrated mail/calender/scheduling/tasks system would be high on that list, infact, it would be top on that list)
[10:51] <hihanhoesj> evo?
[10:51] <hihanhoesj> oh you said *decent*
[10:51] <hihanhoesj> missed that word
[10:51] <Symmetria> hihanhoesj heh, in a business environment, the only thing that can do that properly in my opinion is still, very sadly, exchange 
[10:51] <Symmetria> exchange is light years ahead of even some of the big commercial ones (like groupwise)
[10:52] <hihanhoesj> Zimbra comes close though...
[10:52] <Symmetria> but then again, every operating system has components and applications that its missing 
[10:52] <hihanhoesj> yup, there is no one-size-fits-all solution
[10:53] <Symmetria> hihanhoesj not a chance, the shear level of integration and cleaness of the exchange interface is a long long way ahead :) but thats just my view
[10:53] <hihanhoesj> to which you are entitled :)
[10:53] <Symmetria> heh, this is why I run linux servers, windows desktops, apple desktops, bsd servers and even one solaris server :P
[10:53] <hihanhoesj> I find Zimbra easier to use
[10:53] <Symmetria> lol, a large portion of our routers run an operating system that was built on BSD 
[10:53] <hihanhoesj> and easier to debug
[10:54] <Symmetria> (though its a long long way from being BSD these days)
[10:54] <Symmetria> and heh, 4 of our other routers run an operating system that was built on QNX :P
[10:55] <hihanhoesj> lol, and a network admin friend of mine said that the only proper router OS is Cisco :)
[10:55] <Symmetria> always found that a bit of an oddity, the most expensive devices on our network by miles, run an operating system that I used to play with that booted off a single 1.44meg disk 
[10:55] <Symmetria> hihanhoesj heh, actually the QNX based system is what cisco used on those devices
[10:55] <Symmetria> those 4 devices ARE Ciscos
[10:55] <hihanhoesj> ah
[10:55] <Symmetria> heh, the BSD based ones are junipers
[10:55] <hihanhoesj> you learn something every day :)
[10:55] <Symmetria> (and I will take a juniper over a Cisco any day)
[10:56] <Symmetria> Cisco actually uses 3 operating systems these days
[10:56] <Symmetria> their own internal stuff (cisco IOS), the QNX stuff (IOS-XR) and IOS-XE which if I remeber correctly is Linux based
[10:56] <Symmetria> :P and Im not sure which of the three has more horrific bugs 
[10:57] <Symmetria> lately ciscos software has SUCKED, it is soooooooooo buggy
[10:57] <hihanhoesj> the IOS is the only one I have played around with
[10:57] <hihanhoesj> and tbh, I dislike cisco way of thinking... but that is my opinion
[10:57] <Symmetria> heh IOS-XR is QNX based, but they stole the entire interface from Juniper
[10:58] <Symmetria> (except left out some of the really nice parts of the juniper CLI)
[10:58] <hihanhoesj> gimme a pc and a linux distro, and I will build you a router :)
[10:58] <Symmetria> sadly I can guarantee you it couldnt do the type of things I need from a router :)
[10:59] <hihanhoesj> infact, I have been running a ubuntu 7.10 desktop version as my main gateway at home
[10:59] <inetpro> Symmetria: sadly I disagree with you
[10:59] <Symmetria> dont get me wrong, linux makes a good low to medium end router
[11:00] <inetpro> with exchange there's just way to many eggs in one basket
[11:00] <Symmetria> but its missing wayyyyyyyy to much to do anything high end 
[11:00] <hihanhoesj> like?
[11:00] <Symmetria> (that and without hardware asics, you are never, in a million years, going to get the kinda performance i need)
[11:00] <Symmetria> heh hihanhoesj you arent gonna be able to throw 50+ gigs of traffic through a linux box
[11:00] <Symmetria> it cant process the packets fast enough
[11:01] <Symmetria> you also arent gonna be able to put more than about 3 10G interfaces in it because the bus will saturate 
[11:01] <Symmetria> there is zero VPLS support under linux that I know of
[11:01] <Symmetria> you cannot properly process double tagged vlans under linux
[11:01] <Symmetria> I'm not sure if linux knows how to handle mac-in-mac
[11:01] <Symmetria> the MPLS implementations under linux are a tad dodgy
[11:02] <Symmetria> the IS-IS stuff under quagga is buggy as hell and crashes
[11:02] <Symmetria> linux is a single rib system and when you need multi-rib for VRF it cant do it
[11:02] <Symmetria> :P I can keep going :)
[11:03] <hihanhoesj> look like it :)
[11:03] <Symmetria> hehe as I said, linux makes a good normal packet forwarding device for low to medium levels of traffic, and it does some basic things like NAT in an ok manner 
[11:03] <Symmetria> but the moment you get to high end networking, you're kinda screwed :)
[11:03] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=l2_l3_resiliance <[11:04] <Symmetria> inetpro :) each to his own opinion there, I WANT the stuff all properly integrated because it makes my life easy 
[11:06] <inetpro> Symmetria: integration is one thing but dependency hell is another
[11:07] <Symmetria> inetpro I'm not quite sure what you mean by dependancy hell though
[11:07] <inetpro> Symmetria: in the typical MS world one small thing can break the back of the whole business
[11:08] <Symmetria> inetpro heh, thats the same with most things though :) take the mail servers of most companies offline and the company is kinda screwed 
[11:08] <inetpro> but I must admit they have improved a lot recently and exchange is not bad after all
[11:09] <inetpro> oh and nothing beats visio, unfortunately
[11:09] <inetpro> but I do hate the fact that I can not run it natively on ubuntu
[11:10] <Symmetria> heh, I love ubuntu for my servers, I couldnt run it as a desktop
[11:10] <inetpro> Symmetria: exchange depends way to much on AD these days
[11:10] <Symmetria> heh mirror.ac.za went through 4 or 5 different itterations before we eventually settled on ubuntu
[11:11] <Symmetria> (actually we started on ubuntu with mirror.ac.za, scrapped it, went through 4 or 5 other things while we waited for linux kernel fixes, and then went back)
[11:11] <Symmetria> though linux still has a fair amount of issues with its network stack unfortunately
[11:12] <inetpro> Symmetria: I'm very glad that you guys are using it at your level
[11:15] <Symmetria> inetpro *shrug* for what we need it really is the ideal solution
[11:15] <Symmetria> the only really modified thing on mirror.ac.za is its webserver
[11:15] <inetpro> Symmetria: did you try FreeBSD?
[11:16] <Symmetria> we threw out apache because it didnt handle the load, went to nginx, and then got a developer to heavily patch nginx to make it work properly 
[11:16] <Symmetria> inetpro yeah, we used BSD for a while, but BSD had a similar problem to the original problem we had with linux based systems
[11:17] <Symmetria> namely, large window sizes to allow for heavy tcp scaling over latency were causing memory leaks using the drivers we needed for the 10G network cards
[11:17] <Symmetria> I have a feeling that the networking driver used for the Intel 10G network cards under both BSD and Linux is actually the same driver just ported from one to the other
[11:17] <Symmetria> because they suffered from very similar bugs :)
[11:24] <inetpro> Symmetria: Cisco braces for biggest layoffs in its history http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/12/cisco-idUSN1210284720110512
[11:27] <Symmetria> not suprising, at all 
[11:27] <Symmetria> Cisco screwed up, pretty badly
[12:07] <Symmetria> heh
[12:07] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=extending_qinq <== latest addition
[12:30] <HughJampton_> wow
[12:34] <HughJampton_> although i dont like the way the lines are in front of the switches and routers
[12:34] <HughJampton_> are you able to fix that?
[12:35] <Symmetria> heh I'll play with it, should be able to, its the attachment points on the stencils that are screwed up
[12:35] <Symmetria> LOL, the solution represented there is kinda cool though
[12:35] <HughJampton_> if you right click, on the switch, select bring to foreground
[12:36] <Symmetria> that whole networking.tenet.ac.za contains what amounts to a vendors worst nightmare, while being a hardcore network techies wet dream :p
[12:36] <Symmetria> oh yeah that works ;)
[12:36] <HughJampton_> alhough clients who want to trunk VLANs usually are doing it for the wrong reasons
[12:36] <Symmetria> LOL will reupload the diagrams in a bit
[12:37] <HughJampton_> cool, can't wait
[12:37] <Symmetria> nah there are a lot of good reasons to do it
[12:37] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=l2_l3_resiliance
[12:37] <Symmetria> look at that one 
[12:37] <Symmetria> again will fix diagram in a bit
[12:37] <HughJampton_> trunk vlans over wan mpls that is
[12:39] <Symmetria> heh, depends, if a client has multiple sites like in the case of that L2_L3_Resiliance page 
[12:40] <Symmetria> there can be good reasons
[12:40] <Symmetria> there are certain things that work a lot better when not routed :)
[12:40] <Symmetria> like SIP trunking
[12:42] <Symmetria> dammit, I forgot to save the vsd of that diagram on that page, will have to redo that one to fix it
[15:19] <queery> Symmetria, whats going on with the internet
[15:19] <queery> is it on your side or the varsity?
[15:36] <Symmetria> queery something went wrong
[15:37] <Symmetria> Im not exactly sure what, but I know WHERE and I've routed around it 
[15:37] <Symmetria> until I can figure it out
[15:37] <Symmetria> but something very definately is gong very wrong
[15:38] <queery> thanx Symmetria 
[15:38] <Symmetria> wtf Im confused 
[15:39] <Symmetria> all my DWDM units are testing cleaning
[15:39] <Symmetria> and the fiber is testing clean
[15:39] <Symmetria> yet Im seeing *HUGE* latencies across a path that SHOULD be fine
[15:41] <queery> weird
[15:44] <Symmetria> and now the latency disappears again, wtf
[15:44] <Symmetria> Type escape sequence to abort.
[15:44] <Symmetria> Sending 100, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 155.232.6.102, timeout is 2 seconds:
[15:44] <Symmetria> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:44] <Symmetria> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:44] <Symmetria> Success rate is 100 percent (100/100), round-trip min/avg/max = 1/2/4 ms
[15:45] <Symmetria> so wtf, Im hitting 2ms average but occasionally its going to 200, on a dwdm path
[15:45] <Symmetria> with no errors on it
[15:45]  * Symmetria looks confused as hell
[15:50] <queery> can't help
[15:55] <Symmetria> heh think I found it
[15:55] <Symmetria> think the DWDM unit in durban is REALLY confused and needs a restart
[16:35] <Kilos> eish vfs cant even open a pdf attachment in an email
[16:35] <Kilos> sigh
[16:36] <Kilos> supposed they will need an IT guy or admin to install adobe reader
[16:37] <superfly> vfs?
[16:50] <inetpro> Kilos: vfs?
[16:50] <Kilos> the agents for aus embassy
[16:50] <inetpro> ahh
[16:51] <inetpro> that is sad
[16:51] <Kilos> sorry guys for taking so long been trying to open it and copy/paste to a mail for them
[16:51] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[16:51] <Kilos> i sent it to ian and he opens it fine but they cant have adobe reader installed
[16:52] <inetpro> Kilos: send them an image if it boils down to it
[16:52] <Kilos> actually shocking
[16:52] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that inetpro 
[16:52] <Kilos> but they gone home now
[16:53] <Symmetria> lol @ remote hands guy in durban
[16:54] <Symmetria> I say to this guy, go to this rack, at the bottom of it, you will find 2 breakers, they look like breakers you'd in on a house power distribution, you see em
[16:54] <Symmetria> he goes yeah
[16:54] <Symmetria> I said right, turn them both off
[16:54] <Symmetria> he was like, errr, wtf, you are mad
[16:54] <Symmetria> lol
[16:54] <Symmetria> it took 10 minutes of arguing with him to actually convince him if it went wrong I'd take the blaim
[16:55] <Symmetria> poor dude was shitting himself
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Symmetria> he says, what do those switches turn off
[16:56] <Symmetria> Im like, the entire dwdm system to seacom
[16:57] <Symmetria> he's like WHAT?!?! Im like, dude, its ok, we're running on the neotel backup link, just do it
[16:57] <Symmetria> LOL
[16:57] <Kilos> hehe
[16:58] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo aptitude install imagemagick
[16:58] <inetpro> and then you type the following
[16:58] <Kilos> i have it
[16:58] <inetpro> convert file.pdf file.jpg
[16:59] <Kilos> oh is the .jpg an image
[16:59] <inetpro> Kilos: yup
[16:59] <Kilos> then i have done it
[16:59] <Kilos> gives a file with a W on it
[16:59] <inetpro> huh?
[16:59] <Kilos> folder
[17:00] <inetpro> Kilos: no, it just creates a JPG file with the name you gave it eg: file.jpg
[17:00] <inetpro> but it's not the best idea to do this 
[17:01] <inetpro> I was just saying, in a worst case scenario
[17:01] <Kilos> oh sorry inetpro i was thinking of the conversion i did with office
[17:03] <Kilos> if you go save it gives the option of save as word .doc or odf i think
[17:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no I'm talking of commandline
[17:06] <Kilos> yessir. i am telling you how i converted it to .doc
[17:06] <inetpro> Kilos: if you have a .PDF file it's very easy to convert into an image but it will generally make it bigger in size
[17:06] <inetpro> ah
[17:06] <Kilos> if they cant open a .doc i gonna cry
[17:07]  * inetpro thought that perhaps you have a scanned pdf
[17:07] <Kilos> no i have the mail from ABSA
[17:08] <Kilos> proof of payment goodie
[17:08] <kbmonkey> hi hi
[17:08] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[17:09] <kbmonkey> pdf troubles Kilos ?
[17:09] <Kilos> not me vfs
[17:09] <Kilos> i dont have probs for too long cause i get solutions here
[17:10] <kbmonkey> :)
[17:10] <Kilos> lol
[17:10]  * Kilos loves ubuntu
[17:10] <Kilos> and ubvuntu-za
[17:10] <Kilos> ubuntu-za too
[17:10] <kbmonkey> ah good, good. I needs a solution myself actually
[17:10] <Kilos> hehe
[17:10]  * kbmonkey hugs ubuntu-za and his DRM free games
[17:11] <Kilos> explain the prob and someone will help you
[17:12] <kbmonkey> okay its a bit tricky though. repartitioning tonight. I want a dual boot, and share swap partition. this is possible?
[17:12] <Kilos> gparted
[17:12] <Symmetria> my god
[17:13] <Symmetria> I just discovered that the manageent ports on a device that costs 1.5 million rand
[17:13] <Symmetria> ... are... get this...
[17:13] <Symmetria> 10baseT half duplex 
[17:13] <Symmetria> fixed config 
[17:13] <kbmonkey> I Googled this plenty, but the tricky part is if one distro uses encrypted swap
[17:13] <Symmetria> what DRUGS is a vendor on that they supply anything with 10baseT half duplex ports in the modern world
[17:14] <kbmonkey> This a token ring network by any chance? ;P
[17:14] <Kilos> lol Symmetria expensive ones
[17:15] <Symmetria> kbmonkey LOL, thats the management port for a unit that drives currently 60gigabit worth of wavelengths and is capable of driving 1.6 terabit worth of wavelengths
[17:15] <Symmetria> hell, even the out of band communication channel with the rest of the units on the fiber path is an out of band STM-1 (155mbit) so wtf is the point of limiting my direct access to the unit to 10baseT half
[17:16] <kbmonkey> A: incompetence. Did I win, did I?
[17:16] <Symmetria> its cisco, so you don't win much as its expected
[17:17] <kbmonkey> Maybe I should just create a swap partition for each distro, avoid complexity, keep it simple
[17:19] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you wanna dual boot with what
[17:20] <superfly> kbmonkey: it's perfectly safe to share a swap partition
[17:21] <inetpro> great, Canonical switches to OpenStack for Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Canonical-picks-OpenStack/?kc=rss
[17:21] <kbmonkey> Crunchbang and Ubuntu 11.04 
[17:21] <inetpro> sounds very interesting
[17:21]  * Symmetria is seriously thinking about trying to find the budget to build a tenet grid
[17:21] <kbmonkey> and _possibly_ tri boot, a third for testing OS'es
[17:22] <Symmetria> I have a bunch of spare network blades for our ciscos with a gazillion 10G ports (old lan cards that we dont use anymore)
[17:22] <Symmetria> so if I were to buy like, 8 or 10 machines equivelant to mirror.ac.za
[17:22] <Symmetria> hook them all up and build a grid 
[17:22] <inetpro> Symmetria: with OpenStack?
[17:22] <Symmetria> I could build like, 120 cpu core, 640gig of ram cluster all linked at 10G 
[17:22] <Symmetria> for less than a million bux 
[17:23] <kbmonkey> O_O
[17:23] <Symmetria> inetpro with whatever :P Im just wondering if it would actually get used and if its worth investing the money
[17:23] <inetpro> :-)
[17:23] <Symmetria> would be kinda cool though
[17:23] <kbmonkey> skynet!
[17:23] <Symmetria> and if we used those mirror.ac.za servers for it, it would be fast as hell
[17:23] <inetpro> Symmetria: sounds like a good idea
[17:23] <Symmetria> (mirror.ac.za = crazy box)
[17:24] <Symmetria> its got 12 64bit I7 based xeon cores in it :P
[17:24] <Symmetria> (2 x 6 core cpus)
[17:24] <Symmetria> hell, if I bought 10 of those and put 4 cpus in each, I could hit 240 cores
[17:24]  * Symmetria imagines doing a kernel compile on that thing :p
[17:24] <Symmetria> or running seti on it
[17:25]  * inetpro has this idea in mind of starting a drupal user group in Pretoria but I'm not quite ready yet
[17:26] <inetpro> I handed over my chairmanship on Monday to another guy and will hopefully have more time soon
[17:27] <Symmetria> heh Im just looking for interesting stuff to do in my spare time, tenet's network at the moment is busy being deployed but the design is pretty much there, and there is no much resiliance in the network that it pretty much runs itself with very little intervention 
[17:27] <Symmetria> so the normal NOC processes and operational procedures handle the faults, but the interesting design and implementation work is largely done 
[17:27] <Symmetria> so now I need interesting new projects
[17:27] <Symmetria> (hence my new networking wiki site)
[17:27] <kbmonkey> I always wanted to build my own mini beowulf cluster
[17:28] <kbmonkey> just because
[17:28] <inetpro> Symmetria: maybe you can help us with some playground space for getting peeps up and running in terms of hosting websites
[17:28] <kbmonkey> it would sure grind through folding@home 
[17:28] <Symmetria> I wanna develop my crazy networking wiki till I have enough information to turn it into a book for publication
[17:28] <Symmetria> inetpro, I've had requests from sun to create a south african style dropbox site as well
[17:29] <Symmetria> which I could do, just gotta buy some hardware and some disk space, but the amount of disk space you need for that type of stuff is... huge
[17:29] <Symmetria> and controlling it so it doesnt become warez central is rather tough as well
[17:30] <inetpro> anyway those where just some thoughts
[17:30]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:30] <Symmetria> I kinda have this desire to do my wiki purely to start getting people interested in networking
[17:30] <Symmetria> because so many people avoid networking because they view it as dull and simple and don't realize all the complexities that you can have fun with
[17:30] <Symmetria> networking is so much more than routing packets from A to B 
[17:31] <Symmetria> its incredibly diverse
[17:31] <inetpro> Symmetria: I try to avoid it because it's way to complicated for me
[17:31] <Symmetria> heh inetpro its diverse and yeah, it can be complicated, but its not HARD
[17:31] <inetpro> sure
[17:31] <Symmetria> networking is like, programming, if you know the THEORY you should be able to network on any kit
[17:31] <Symmetria> its the theory that people just dont seem to grasp
[17:32] <Symmetria> once you know your networking theory, everything else is syntax
[17:32] <Symmetria> (until you start doing really evil crap, in which case you can twist your brain)
[17:33] <kbmonkey> bbl, backing up my partition for the reformat later :)
[17:53] <Kerbero> lol @ circuit breakers for seacom dwdm
[18:02] <Symmetria> heh
[18:03] <Symmetria> I feel dirty, I just depeered 10 companies
[18:03] <Symmetria> LOL, I'm a peering slut, I wanna peer the whole world, it makes me sad when I have to depeer people
[19:04] <kodez> hello everyone. i tried to install ubuntu 11.04 today for a friend but the installation process goes as far just before partition. please help
[19:05] <DraZoro> Hello Kodez
[19:06] <DraZoro> The image/cd might be damaged scan it before installing 
[19:06] <Deegee_1> konbanwa
[19:06] <kodez> hi DraZoro
[19:06] <DraZoro> konbanwa Maaz
[19:06] <kodez> hi Corrie206, how was the ubuntu launch party?
[19:09] <kodez> i had managed to use it on my laptop
[19:09] <superfly> Maaz: it doesn't work
[19:09] <Maaz> Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
[19:09] <superfly> kodez: ^^
[19:09] <DraZoro> ?
[19:09] <DraZoro> :)
[19:11] <DraZoro> Hey superfly 
[19:11] <superfly> hiya DraZoro
[19:12] <DraZoro> I see Maaz is getting aggressive 
[19:12] <Kilos> hehe
[19:12] <Kilos> hi DraZoro 
[19:12] <DraZoro> Hi Kilos 
[19:14] <Kilos> kodez, did you try just the once
[19:15] <kodez> i tried using the desktop and alternate disks and both give the same result
[19:15] <kodez> ubuntu 10.04 does install correctly without any hindrances
[19:16] <Kilos> and if you install 10.04 and then 11.04
[19:16] <Kilos> run alongside
[19:17] <DraZoro> plustwo : I think I might join on Japanese after discovering this site http://www.teachyourselfjapanese.co.cc/
[19:17] <kodez> kilos, i haven't tried that one. i will try it
[19:17] <Deegee_1> drz
[19:17] <Kilos> i have a similar prob with my 80g drive
[19:18] <Kilos> now i got karmic first and then maverick
[19:18] <Kilos> havent got to 11.04 yet
[19:18] <Deegee_1> Japanese is not for the faint hearted... :-)
[19:18] <superfly> Kilos: and soon you should have Natty
[19:18] <Kilos> lol yeah must be tomorrow or monday
[19:18] <Kilos> w00t
[19:19] <Kilos> only my 80g drive does that though
[19:19] <DraZoro> deegee_1 : You are right about that one :)
[19:19] <kodez> i think i will try to follow kilos route and see where it leads me
[19:19] <Kilos> 20g accepted mavirick first time
[19:19] <Kilos> maverick
[19:20] <Kilos> something to do with grub2 maybe
[19:20] <kodez> is there a japanese irc group for those who want to learn it?
[19:21] <Kilos>  join #japanese
[19:21] <Deegee_1> non as far as I know
[19:21] <Kilos> 98 peeps there
[19:22] <DraZoro> I will not learn Japanese now ...so much on my plate ...I might go mind block
[19:22] <Kilos> actually ##japanese
[19:22] <Deegee_1> heh. good luck joining that chanel
[19:23] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24] <Symmetria> maverick.... 
[19:24] <Symmetria> thats enough to wake me up :P
[19:24]  * Symmetria likes mavericks :p
[19:25]  * Symmetria grins
[19:25] <Kilos> yip i love maverick
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> didnt see the s at the end
[19:29] <Deegee_1> kilos: should he (kodez) rather install maverick first then upgrade to natty?
[19:29] <Kilos> he can do it that way too
[19:29] <Kilos> as long as you can get one installed
[19:30] <Deegee_1> ok
[19:31] <kodez> kilos, i understand. i will try that
[19:31] <Kilos> some funny thing between the mbr and boot sector
[19:31] <Deegee_1> hope kodez is taking notes of alternate options
[19:31] <Kilos> let us know what happens kodez 
[19:32] <Kilos> also if you install. with karmic it you tick advanced partitioning it opens install grub
[19:32] <Kilos> couldnt find that in maverick if i member right
[19:33] <Kilos> been a while now with no probs here
[19:33] <Deegee_1> no stress Kilos
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <kodez> ok, i will. pidgin is a good secretary. it taking notes in advance
[19:40] <DraZoro> Yeah logs are amazing 
[19:40] <Symmetria> wtf, I just had to get mirror.ac.za removed from microsoft shitlist 
[19:41] <Symmetria> IE8 was whining that downloading stuff from it was unsafe 
[19:41]  * Symmetria kicks microsoft HARD
[19:42] <kodez> i think microsoft is closing linux based website. suddenly gmail is no longer a safe website and doesn't open
[19:43] <inetpro> Symmetria: why did you depeer them poor guys?
[19:43]  * Deegee_1 charges android
[19:44] <Deegee_1> lo inetpro
[19:44]  * DraZoro wears ninja suites and hides from Microsoft topics 
[19:44] <inetpro> ehlo Deegee_1
[19:44] <Symmetria> inetpro heh they didnt respond to queries on their noc address for 56 hours
[19:44] <Symmetria> I will depeer anyone who doesnt answer their noc email address
[19:44] <Symmetria> :P
[19:44] <inetpro> Symmetria: eish
[19:44] <inetpro> Symmetria: what's a noc address?
[19:45] <Symmetria> inetpro noc@any.isp is GENERALLY an accepted address for network related queries from other ISPs
[19:45] <Symmetria> certain addresses should really exist at any ISP, abuse@ noc@ peering@ (if the guys peer) 
[19:46]  * inetpro learns a new thing every day
[19:46] <DraZoro> Good Night guys 
[19:46] <Symmetria> and fail to answer my emails to any one of those for 56 hours and I depeer automatically
[19:46] <inetpro> good night DraZoro
[19:46] <Deegee_1> sayonara drazoro
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh inetpro you see for a while telkom was going international to tenet?
[19:46] <inetpro> Symmetria: that should teach them a thing
[19:46] <Symmetria> that was because the idiots didnt update their bgp filters :P
[19:47] <inetpro> eish!
[19:47] <Symmetria> heh *shrug* we were still sending them stuff locally, but the return path from them to us was international
[19:47] <Symmetria> making latency kinda crap :)
[19:49] <Deegee_1> brb
[19:51] <Kerbero> wow
[19:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: what do you think could be wrong at Telkom if a specific connection can not go to http://community.bulksms.com/
[19:53] <inetpro> I had the problem the other day and it was sorted
[19:53] <inetpro> but I hear that they still can not access the site at school
[19:53] <inetpro> with Telkom WCDMA
[19:54] <Symmetria> inetpro its possible
[19:55] <Kerbero> a better question is why can't i access www.apexdc.net
[19:55] <inetpro> sounds to me like a routing issue
[19:55] <inetpro> Kerbero: sorry, I raised the question like that the other day, was just following up
[19:56]  * inetpro wonders who at Telkom would be able to help
[19:56] <Symmetria> Kerbero from sun?
[19:56] <Kerbero> jip
[19:56] <Tonberry> yes
[19:56]  * Symmetria checks from tenet
[19:56] <Symmetria> I get there fine from here
[19:56] <Symmetria> so it aint a tenet issue 
[19:56] <Tonberry> dns server simply does not have an entry
[19:57] <Symmetria> probably sun blocking it
[19:57]  * Kerbero shouts censorship
[19:57] <inetpro> the principal and others have logged calls at Telkom and have spoken to different peeps but it's not yet sorted
[19:57] <Tonberry> does sun use tenet dns servers for upstream dns?
[19:57] <Symmetria> *HRM* 
[19:57] <Symmetria> actually thats REALLY weird
[19:57] <Symmetria> Im also seeing it fail to resolve from one of our dns servers
[19:57] <Symmetria> google still resolves it
[19:58] <Symmetria> heh
[19:58] <Symmetria> ok, so the only reason some can resolve it and others cant
[19:58] <Symmetria> is because it hasnt expired
[19:58] <Symmetria> the dns for that server is screwed
[19:58] <Symmetria> watch:
[19:59] <Symmetria> when checking their authorative name servers:
[19:59] <Symmetria> (this is against googles dns servers AND my dns servers)
[19:59] <Symmetria> Non-authoritative answer:
[19:59] <Symmetria> apexdc.net      nameserver = ns2.bulletsphere.com.
[19:59] <Symmetria> apexdc.net      nameserver = ns1.bulletsphere.com.
[19:59] <Symmetria> Authoritative answers can be found from:
[19:59] <Symmetria> aalston@iris:~$
[19:59] <Symmetria> no authorative source
[19:59] <Symmetria> and if you do this:
[20:00] <Symmetria> Host ns1.bulletsphere.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[20:00] <Symmetria> no resolution on the upstream nameserver 
[20:00] <Symmetria> (thats from google's servers and mine as well)
[20:00] <Symmetria> so I think www.apexdc.net will die everywhere as soon as its dns expires
[20:00] <Kerbero> ahh
[20:00] <Kerbero> so it is actually a good thing that it fails here
[20:00] <Tonberry> someone forgot to renew the dns name i suppose
[20:00] <Kerbero> means our dns server updates fast
[20:01]  * inetpro for a moment thought that Kerbero was trying to help :-)
[20:01] <Symmetria> heh, I checked, and yes, sun is actually using our dns servers
[20:01] <Symmetria> they forward through one of our resolvers
[20:02] <Kerbero> Symmetria: can you maybe give me the ip for that server?
[20:02] <Kerbero> apex
[20:03] <Symmetria> umm hold, if this machine Im on can still resolve it
[20:03] <Tonberry> i tried that already
[20:03] <Symmetria> 72.44.80.167 
[20:03] <Symmetria> except it wont work 
[20:03] <Kerbero> thanx
[20:03] <Symmetria> beacause you dont hit the named virtual host
[20:03] <Kerbero> i have a mikrotik
[20:04] <Kerbero> dns server
[20:04] <Kerbero> my own
[20:04] <Tonberry> hax
[20:04] <Kerbero> hehehe
[20:04] <Symmetria> oh yeah you can hax it
[20:04] <Symmetria> :P
[20:04] <Kerbero> uhm
[20:05] <Kerbero> forgot i need to use the proxy server
[20:05] <Kerbero> damn
[20:05] <superfly> Kerbero: hosts file
[20:05] <Kerbero> no
[20:05] <Kerbero> the proxy resolves the host
[20:05] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero do you want me to download something from there for you
[20:05] <Kerbero> nope
[20:06] <Kerbero> it is on sourceforge anyway
[20:06] <Kerbero> just wanted to tell the people they should fix it
[20:06] <Symmetria> oh, on their website:
[20:06] <Symmetria> We have updated our DNS records ready for a new server move later next month. Please be patient while the DNS change reaches your ISP and finds apexdc.net again.
[20:06] <Symmetria> We are building a new server that has more horsepower and is closer to the majority of our userbase. Instead of using standardised server technology (apache for one), we are investing time in the latest technology to power our server. This should provide you with faster loading times when browsing our front page and forums. We will provide more details closer to the server move. 
[20:06] <Kerbero> but someone else can
[20:06] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[20:06] <Symmetria> ^^^ posted on the 25th of april, so I presume that whatever they were planning when they did that, they did it and broke something
[20:07] <Symmetria> btw, Kerbero is sourceforce.mirror.ac.za excluded from sun billing?
[20:07] <Kerbero> as far as i know yes
[20:07] <Symmetria> and youtube?
[20:07] <Kerbero> no
[20:07] <Symmetria> lame :P
[20:07] <Kerbero> hehe
[20:08] <Kerbero> exactly what i said
[20:08] <Symmetria> its just as local as mirror.ac.za so wtf not :P
[20:08] <Symmetria> infact youtube is closer to sun than mirror.ac.za is :P
[20:08] <Kerbero> what is the ip for the local youtube?
[20:08] <Tonberry> sun it, y u no listen?
[20:08] <Symmetria> 155.232.240.x, could be almost anything in that range 
[20:08] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:08] <Kerbero> ok
[20:08] <Symmetria> there are a mass of ips assigned to that cluster
[20:08] <Kerbero> i think that only 155.232.190.* is excluded from billing
[20:09] <Symmetria> but that whole /24 is dedicated to it 
[20:09] <Symmetria> *HRM* 190 or 191?
[20:09] <Symmetria> it should be 191, NOT 190 
[20:09] <Kerbero> well
[20:09] <Symmetria> 191 = mirror :P
[20:09] <Kerbero> 191 yes
[20:09] <Kerbero> typo
[20:09] <Symmetria> 190 = something they must not screw with haha
[20:09] <Kerbero> lol
[20:09] <Symmetria> heh, no way to check on the 240.x?
[20:09] <Kerbero> going to try now
[20:10] <Symmetria> heh, I dont know why they dont just exclude 155.232/16 
[20:10] <Symmetria> if they opened the whole /16 it would make things much simpler
[20:10] <Kerbero> can you maybe ask them to do it?
[20:10] <Symmetria> haha, Ive tried in the past :(
[20:10] <Symmetria> many times
[20:11] <Symmetria> :P I whine at stellenbosch IT about their billing every time I see them
[20:11] <Kerbero> everybody does
[20:11] <Kerbero> and then they say it is above them
[20:12] <Kerbero> i can't ping 155.232.240.19
[20:12] <Symmetria> *HRM* yeah that should be pingable
[20:12] <Symmetria> can you ping 155.232.240.16 
[20:12] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:12] <Symmetria> (or .20 or .21)
[20:12] <Kerbero> i also can't ping mirror.ac
[20:12] <Symmetria> LOL did they block lotsa icmp or something
[20:13] <Kerbero> normally they do yes
[20:13] <Symmetria> can you ping 155.232.135.5?
[20:13] <Kerbero> nope
[20:13] <TOnberry_timeout> 21:10] <Symmetria> heh, I dont know why they dont just exclude 155.232/16 
[20:13] <Symmetria> :P I have given up trying to explain to IT departments why blocking ICMP is bad 
[20:13] <TOnberry_timeout> [21:10] <Tonberry> because of the somewhat insane amount of entries they would need to add to their damned pac file
[20:13] <Symmetria> Tonberry LOL, they cant unblock ranges?
[20:14] <Symmetria> Tonberry in their pac file, can you see what is excluded on 155.232?
[20:14] <Symmetria> or send me their pac file :p
[20:14] <TOnberry_timeout> only if you enter the ip as an url
[20:14] <Kerbero> *.mirror.ac.za
[20:14] <TOnberry_timeout> and not the hostname
[20:14] <Kerbero> Symmetria: http://www.sun.ac.za/sunproxy.pac
[20:14] <superfly> isn't SUN IT a Microsoft shop?
[20:14] <Kerbero> jip
[20:15] <Kerbero> TOnberry_timeout: kan jy nog uit ping?
[20:15] <Kerbero> lyk my hulle het dit nou geblok
[20:15] <Kerbero> alweer
[20:15] <superfly> My brother had fun with them registering his Ubuntu computer on their network
[20:15] <Kerbero> ai
[20:15] <TOnberry_timeout> na wat?
[20:15] <Kerbero> google
[20:15] <Symmetria> *HRM* 
[20:15] <Symmetria> TOnberry_timeout you CAN exclude a range in the pac file 
[20:15] <Symmetria> look at it closely
[20:15] <TOnberry_timeout> werk van hier af
[20:16] <Symmetria> isInNet(host, "146.232.0.0" , "255.255.0.0")
[20:16] <Kerbero> yes you can, but
[20:16] <Kerbero> they also need to exclude it on the already overloaded firewall
[20:16] <Symmetria> :P thats one line
[20:16] <Kerbero> exactly
[20:16] <Kerbero> but they don't listen
[20:16] <Symmetria> is everything in that pac file an exclusion btw?
[20:16] <Kerbero> no
[20:16] <TOnberry_timeout> i think a lot of browsers are too stupid to exclude it properly
[20:16] <Kerbero> well
[20:17] <Kerbero> look closely
[20:17] <Kerbero> two proxy servers
[20:17] <Symmetria> Kerbero well, what is the stuff that is redirected to lib-proxy?
[20:17] <Kerbero> and some things go directly
[20:17] <Symmetria> is the lib-proxy stuff free?
[20:17] <Kerbero> yes
[20:17] <TOnberry_timeout> the library pays for it
[20:18] <Symmetria> haha I wonder if the library knows its paying for soem of this
[20:18] <Symmetria>  else if ( dnsDomainIs(host, "a465.g.akamai.net"))
[20:18] <Symmetria>     { return "PROXY lib-proxy.sun.ac.za:3128"; }
[20:18] <Symmetria> akamai?! really?! for the library bill?!
[20:18] <Symmetria> else if ( dnsDomainIs(host, "ad.doubleclick.net"))
[20:18] <Symmetria>     { return "PROXY lib-proxy.sun.ac.za:3128"; }
[20:18] <Symmetria> hahahahahahahahahhahahahah
[20:18] <TOnberry_timeout> lol
[20:18] <Symmetria> make the library pay for your adverts as well
[20:18]  * Symmetria rolls around laughing
[20:18] <Kerbero> hehehe
[20:18] <TOnberry_timeout> THAT was how they fixed it?
[20:19] <Symmetria> :P I would show that to the library if I were someone
[20:19] <inetpro> eish
[20:19] <Symmetria> LOL billed the library for amazon as well
[20:19] <Kerbero> some of the local sites coded by n00bs run adsense
[20:19] <TOnberry_timeout> i think tenet hosts ad.doubleclick.net ...
[20:19] <Kerbero> so that is the way they "fixed" that
[20:20] <TOnberry_timeout> well mirrors/caches
[20:20] <Symmetria> yeah we do
[20:20] <Symmetria> I wonder if the library gets billed for stuff hosted on tenet 
[20:20] <Kerbero> dalk moet ons push vir free access na 155.232/16
[20:21] <Symmetria> Kerbero that would make sense since the entire /16 is all tenet stuff
[20:21] <TOnberry_timeout> i think i told you about how ad.doubleclick being hosted on tenet broke most browsers without adblock
[20:22] <TOnberry_timeout> because our pack file said it should go through the proxy but the proxy said tenet stuff should not 
[20:22] <TOnberry_timeout> so every add had to wait to timeout
[20:22] <TOnberry_timeout> before a page loaded
[20:22] <Symmetria> why didnt they just direct it?
[20:23] <TOnberry_timeout> i think another firewall dropped it then...
[20:23] <Symmetria> LOL
[20:23] <Kerbero> the proxy doesn't forward to tenet
[20:23] <TOnberry_timeout> because it was not in the mirror.ac.za range
[20:23] <Kerbero> the firewall allows it through directly
[20:23] <Symmetria> :P man, stellenbosch's system should go up on my new website under "nasty networking hack you never wanna see anywhere, ever"
[20:23] <Symmetria> :p
[20:23] <Kerbero> o was dit 'n ander geval?
[20:24] <Kerbero> lol
[20:24] <inetpro> btw I found that letting the browser do dns lookups with dnsDomainIs in the pac file slows it down incredibly
[20:24] <Symmetria> except that would mean trying to figure it out and creating a diagram of it
[20:24] <TOnberry_timeout> yes
[20:24] <Symmetria> and that would make me suicidal
[20:24] <TOnberry_timeout> it does
[20:24]  * inetpro uses shExpMatch rather
[20:24] <TOnberry_timeout> make it veryvery slow
[20:24] <Symmetria> heh I wanna know what stellenbosch is going to do when we hand them their 10G pipe
[20:25] <Symmetria> their whole infrastructure will blow up and die if anyone tries to actually use the 10G
[20:25] <Kerbero> they don't know either
[20:25] <TOnberry_timeout> i think it could be blown up now if someone was bored enough 
[20:26] <Kerbero> ...not that we are :P
[20:27] <TOnberry_timeout> when are we getting that 10G pipe anyway?
[20:27] <Kerbero> Symmetria: when do you run a freenode server on tenet?
[20:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[20:32]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[20:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[20:32] <Maaz> Sure thing, Kilos. Hey guys, bring your own mugs! I'm tired of doing all the dishes on my own.
[20:33] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[20:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[20:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[20:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[20:33] <Symmetria> *HRM*
[20:33] <Symmetria> I just figured out what broke earlier on our international
[20:33] <Symmetria> and its the last thing in the world I wanted to actually find
[20:34] <inetpro> Symmetria: so you working until late now?
[20:34] <Symmetria> heh inetpro I never stop working
[20:34] <Kerbero> like a good engineer
[20:34] <inetpro> serious?
[20:35] <Symmetria> brb in 2 seconds, turning other international path back on
[20:35]  * Symmetria prays this doesnt break anything
[20:35]  * Kerbero testing
[20:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, inetpro and kbmonkey!
[20:36] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[20:36] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[20:36] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[20:36] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[20:37]  * kbmonkey eagerly sips the java :)
[20:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thank you!
[20:37] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[20:37] <Symmetria> heh, turned it back up and now we see if stuff breaks
[20:37] <Symmetria> :P brb again
[20:37] <Symmetria> and heh inetpro yes I was serious that I never stop working
[20:37] <Symmetria> tenet is a 9 man company
[20:37] <inetpro> Symmetria: what about when you sleep?
[20:38] <Symmetria> :P there is a reason they pay me what they do 
[20:39] <Kerbero> ok youtube resolves to 155.232.240.16, but can't ping and can't access whithout being billed
[20:40] <Symmetria> inetpro when I sleep
[20:40] <Symmetria> my phone is permenantly on and next to my ear
[20:41] <Symmetria> in 6 years, Ive probably had my phone off for maybe 2 hours total other than when Im in air planes
[20:41] <Symmetria> heh, you call my phone at 4am, 6am, 12pm, when Im in hong kong, the US, south africa, doesnt matter, the phone is ALWAYS on and ALWAYS answered :P
[20:41] <Kerbero> well done
[20:41] <Kerbero> i hate answering my phone
[20:42] <Kerbero> because it is normally people that wants me to help them for free
[20:42] <Kerbero> or advertising
[20:42] <Symmetria> (if I dont answer, you know Im either in a serious meeting, really busy, or hate your guts and dont wanna talk to you)
[20:43] <Kerbero> Tonberry: jy nog hier?
[20:43] <inetpro> Symmetria: heh, nothing funny about that except I'd hate to fly around like you do
[20:43] <Tonberry> yes
[20:43] <Kerbero> ek gaan hom oor netnou se ding daar by ludwig vra
[20:43] <Kerbero> net gou were dit toets
[20:44] <Tonberry> ok
[20:44] <superfly> Kerbero: I managed to get most people to stop asking me for help for free by telling them I don't use Windows (which is true) and I don't fix Windows
[20:45] <Kerbero> the problem is they come to me with other stuff too
[20:45] <Kerbero> like, my computer doesn't boot up
[20:45] <Kerbero> and, what internet do you think i should get
[20:46] <superfly> I've largely managed to avoid that
[20:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight those that still sleep
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: wat, so vroeg?
[20:52] <inetpro> bye kilo[tab]
[20:58] <Kerbero> jip, billed for 37.63MB from youtube
[20:59] <Kerbero> so they bill definitely
[20:59] <Kerbero> Symmetria: when you are not busy we have a question we want your comment on
[20:59] <Tonberry> why oh why does windows have a better smb client than linux?
[21:00] <superfly> because smb is a Windows thing?
[21:00] <Kerbero> but linux have a better smb server
[21:00] <Tonberry> true
[21:01] <Tonberry> but with the same ubuntu sever i get 80MB/s on windows and 40MB/s on ubunut
[21:01] <Tonberry> ubuntu*
[21:01] <Tonberry> on the same client pc
[21:01] <Tonberry> so unfair...
[21:01] <inetpro> Tonberry: yikes
[21:02] <inetpro> Tonberry: did you use a smb client on windows?
[21:02] <Tonberry> well whatever windows has built in that talks to smb
[21:02] <Symmetria> heh
[21:02] <Symmetria> ok 
[21:03] <inetpro> Tonberry: ahh, that's different
[21:03] <Symmetria> so, until monday at least there will be no international graphs :(
[21:03] <inetpro> Tonberry: that is native windows stuff
[21:03] <Symmetria> and scarily, everyone is unshaped internationally 
[21:03] <Kerbero> o
[21:03] <Kerbero> time to torrent :P
[21:04] <inetpro> Tonberry: smb client on ubuntu is typical reverse engineered samba stuff AFAIK
[21:04] <Tonberry> ok
[21:04] <Kerbero> Tonberry: sal ons nou hom vertel
[21:04] <Tonberry> but why does die samba server on linux work so well?
[21:04] <Tonberry> jy kan maar
[21:04] <inetpro> Tonberry: good question
[21:04] <Kerbero> Symmetria: on sun campus, when one watch a youtube video
[21:04] <Symmetria> yeah
[21:04] <Kerbero> those videos buffers
[21:05] <Kerbero> but then a lot of the times it stop holfway through
[21:05] <Kerbero> as if the tcp connection died or something
[21:05] <Kerbero> just tried it but couldn't replicate it
[21:05] <Kerbero> but earlier this afternoon a friend in his residence had the same
[21:06] <Kerbero> so then one need to refresh the page
[21:06] <Kerbero> or skip forward in the vid
[21:06] <Kerbero> to restart the buffering
[21:06] <Kerbero> any guess what it might be
[21:06] <Kerbero> i know there are a lot of variables here
[21:06] <Symmetria> umm
[21:07] <Kerbero> tonberry complains about my english past tense
[21:07] <Symmetria> that sounds like a ifrewall issue
[21:07] <Kerbero> i appologise
[21:07] <Symmetria> rather than a tenet issue
[21:07] <Symmetria> because we've never had that anywhere else on the network
[21:08] <Kerbero> have you ever heard about load avarages of three digits big?
[21:10] <Symmetria> yeah
[21:10] <Symmetria> Ive seen that 
[21:11] <Kerbero> guess the rumours might be true
[21:11] <Kerbero> firewall...
[21:12] <Symmetria> heh I gotta run for a bit, supper time
[21:12] <Kerbero> cheers
[21:34] <Symmetria> oh wow
[21:34] <Symmetria> I just found our problem
[21:34]  * Symmetria phones uct and tells them they have an hour to fix this one or he is going to turn them off
[22:12] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell Kilos pong! Skies ek is skaars oom, dinge was baie woes by die werk die week
[22:12] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[22:48] <kodez> is it possible to create a website that downloads bittorent rather than using an application
[22:53] <kbmonkey> I don't think so kodez 
[22:54] <kodez> thanks kbmonkey, 
[22:54] <kbmonkey> If you had access to a server to run a service or daemon, and it can expose an interface via a web page, sure.
[22:54] <kbmonkey> but a web site itself probably can't
[22:57] <kodez> i understand the capability of websites, i am more interested in using the browser as the front end application
[22:59] <kbmonkey> transmission has a web frontend built-in
[22:59] <kbmonkey> and many others I think :)
[23:02] <hihanhoesj> You could also look into torrentflux
[23:02] <hihanhoesj> http://www.torrentflux.com/